The Rise And Fall Of The Spanish Dynasty | When Spain Ruled The World Then Lost It All
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Once upon a time, no football team on the planet stood a chance against Spain. A team of incredible skill, power and depth. In my opinion, the most dominant national football team of the modern era of football.
In this video, we talk about why that is the case and how that happened.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:28 - Founding Member
05:59 - Thanks to Opera!
07:12 - Underachievers
12:23 - The Rise Of Tiki-Taka
16:51 - Domination
31:13 - The Death of Tiki Taka
Producer: Tinashe Chipako
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This Spanish side was just out of this world when in full swing. Loved making this one!
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Great vid 👌⚡️
Theres something about this generation of footballers from the late 2000s to late 2010s. They truly had character
I agree. I‘m still interested in football and I always will be but I just can’t seem to find the same excitement that I used to have 5-6 years ago when watching football. This current generation doesn’t have the same amount of world class players that the 1980s generation used to have. (By 1980s I mean born in the 1980s)
This is just nostalgia lol. "Back in MY day...."
they learnt t the tiki taka way before even being conceived in the womb mate. Its in their DNA
@@iancrane5705 easy write off to say nostalgia. I could call you lazy for not watching any matches from that era 😂 those who have share ops opinion.
And people our age 10 years from now will say the same thing about the layers back in their day.
It was basically Prime Barcelona + Real Madrid
Mostly Barcelona
The Pep effect is real
It was Pep's Barcelona with Mourinho's Real Madrid, absolutely insane.
@@kuromori6200 only Casillas, Arbeloa and Xabi Alonso from Madrid
@@footballhipstertvstill Madrid and Barca so what’s your point?
David Villa, so underrated
Arguably among the players that made that 2010 World Cup so special. One of the most underrated strikers.
He isn't underrated in Spain... so the rest of the World can go fcuk itself
Old fifa legend
How exactly? How was he underrated 😅😂... It just so happens that back then football had both quality and quantity of players in all positions
I think apart of Spain`s issue is that everyone had their prime at the same time.
Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Xabi Alonso, David Silva, Cesc, David Villa and Pedro.
it was just already proven world class players.
Ramos, pique, Puyol as the captain of the national team, Casillas. Hell, you could make a wordclass team out of the reserves from that era
@@darkrose8328 Look at the bench in the 2010 wc final. Cesc, Mata, Silva, Torres on the bench. Insane
Jesus Navas, capdevilla, and Llorante (as a third striker, which Spain never used) in 2010 were all class players.
That was a Dynasty. The way they dismantled Italy in the 2012 final was they're absolute Zenith ....Brazil.82 my favourite team but this lot a close second .
I remember feeling bad for Italy haha
I think that Spain side is the best i have watched, because they simply neutralized teams by not letting the other get out of their own half.
2012 Spain would annihilate that team tbh
@@nikolaskoric804zenith is another word for peak
@@navirbox4913 I ment Brazil.82 my favourite team ......not the best .
I’m from Spain and I remember when we won the World Cup. While the final was going on it was non-stop noise. Horns sounding everywhere, and as soon as we won all of the apartments erupted with noise. This is no exaggeration everyone partied for DAYS. Normal everyday men would sleep in bars, wake up and keep partying. People were sleeping in the streets, and the festivities never seemed like they were going to end. I just wish that I was older during that time so I could have appreciated it more. I don’t remember the 2008 euro, but I sure remember living it up for the 2012 edition.
Yeah football is like a religion here and it was our first world cup. I remember I was living in madrid those years while in college, and it was absolutely bat crazy, I have never seen such celebrations in this country as such
I was in Spain for the 2012 Euro’s and the whole town erupted with celebrations when they won. It was amazing.
I loved that Spain team. Especially when they played without a recognized striker. It was like something you only can do on video games. And the media had a frenzy when they did that. Xaxi, Iniesta, Silva, Fabregas, Mata, Busquests & Alonso. What a bunch of players
Fernando Torres was the best in the World in 2008, but his stint at Chelsea during the 2010s eventually ruined him
David Silva was not a striker he was a goalie 😂😂😂
This golden age of Spain will never be topped ever again, truly generational talents from Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol to unsung heroes in David Villa, Silva and Fabregas. What an era it was
None of those players were unsung heroes, they all get their recognition
You forgot Torres
Completely missed out so many world class players
Prime Spain was like The Beatles. A perfect storm that caught everyone off-guard for a brief period and went on creating history after history almost as if it was a daily routine. Eventually they ran their course ending up in flames. But they have cemented themselves in the pages of history books. Changing the world forever.
Best team I've ever seen. They were disgustingly good.
Having this and prime El Clasico was a real treat
When you know that Football Iconic posts, you know it’s gonna be a good day. 😎
Rarely posts a bad vid usaually a banger
Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Alonso, Silva, Fabregas, Senna, Mata, Cazorla. That era of Spanish midfielders was insane
Ni senna ni cazorla jugaron el mundial
@@ARCPolus They were still part of the Euro 2008 squad and would have been starters for most national teams
Tiki-Taka is such a hard thing to replicate as well. I've coached youth soccer for at least 15 years, and I try to implement (and imitate) various techniques used by professional teams. Trying to teach impatient kids to be patient is one of the most difficult things for players, and their parents to understand. This is how I find team captains... the first ones to understand why we're doing it are the strongest players overall.
Re: no Ballon D'Or winner -Maybe part of Spain's strength was not having a single superstar.
An equivalent I can think of off the top of my head would be Germany 2014. The players were committed to the team, and nobody was out for individual glory. Working together, they secured glory for their country.
The names of these Spaniards will never be forgotten. They will be remembered together, as they should be, as the most successful team of all time.
Imho as players of a team sport, there can be no higher honour than achieving victory as a team.
Thank you very much for this amazing documentary!
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Lmao It has nothing to do with not having a superstar. The problem was that a literal genius existed too.
But If even Messi never played, you have another one, a human-machine called CR7. There was simply no way one of our players could have won it.
I have seen It with my own eyes every weekend and I have no shame saying this, Messi and CR7 were SEVERAL levels above every other Spanish player in the league.
As a spaniard,m: what a video man. Congratulations and thanks for the hard work you put for this video 🙌🏻
Thanks!
@@FootballIconic Thanks to you from another spaniard :)
Euro 2012 was just embarrassing for Europe and just showed how dominate Spain were. They played with Arbeloa the entire tournament, essentially playing with only 10 men, and still won the tournament 😂
When i was a kid i thought a team beating another team 4 - 0 in a final was normal. Looking back now i see Spain simply had no competition during that time
Certainly a young one compared to other fellow spaniards, but. I've lived enough to watch and remember the soul crushing match against Korea and saw Villa playing for a short spell in my hometown team (Real Sporting de Gijón) while I was still a kid. Can't express with words what it meant to go from Aragonés to Iniesta scoring in that final.
Thanks for another wonderfull note about this honestly incredible team.
Now we are in the female version of the spanish dynasty....has anyone seen bacelona and spain female teams? Love their football and attitude
Bro is the goat of mini football docs
as a Germany fan i didnt love this era one bit but i damn sure respected the hell of it. Amazing
I’ve been watching your videos for a few years now and I have to say, unmatched quality and spirit! Love it, thanks for all the effort you put into this. Keep it up!
Wow! Sorry for the late response, but thank you so much, brother!! Means so much
I can't understand why people call the present day a 'fall'. Semifinals in the last Euros, Nations league Champions, knocked out of last WC QF on penalties.. I think Spain have always been competitive.. they havent had a fall from grace like that of Germany for eg. or even France who got knocked out in the early stages of the last Euro despite being favorites
I remember when Spain came to South Africa for a friendly match after winning the 2012 Euros. South Africa won by 2 goals to 1 but due to a technicality enforced by the Spaniards, the match was null and the result voided.
It was when I first saw the problem with tiki-taka. Too much possession without a final product was the downfall of the Spanish national team. In teams like Barcelona they had Messi who could literally produce something out of nothing and singlehandedly influence the outcome of the match almost at will.
In short, all that Spain needed was a player like Messi or Cristiano as an outlet for all the possession the team had in matches.
Wow. 2 euros, a world cup and a nations league title. I guess a south African wouldnt know good football
@@nova3752 That last line was not necessary. And I never said Spain were not playing good football but their tactics became easily deciphered due to one dimension of their main target, possession.
If South Africa could figure them out then what about other teams. Like it or not, the Spanish team began their decline after the 2012 Euros.
@@nova3752get a fucking grip he's right
Then In 2013 Neymar nd brazil team decimated spain in confederations cup final
@@SonuSharma-xx2hj Didnt Messi beat them 4-0 right after they won the World Cup, with Spain having their best 11 against him?
Weird fact about that Northern Ireland match, but I was one of those kids who walked with the Spanish national team, and wow, it was incredible. It's a moment in my life I'll never forget. Still have the mascot shirt in my mums house somewhere
41 min vid? Yess sir !! Love it
Tinashe i hope you see this ever since i found this channel a few years ago THIS IS EASILY THE BEST FOOTBALL CHANNEL ON CZcams everyday that Football Iconic Drops is a great day 🔥🔥🔥
We gotta thank Spanish dynasty and Pep's dynasty with Barca for the football that is played today because when you see every great team today or in the last 5-10 years they all played similarly to those teams when attacking
Well not really, it's more about physicality & gegenpressing these days. Tiki-Taka would only work in lower tier leagues, everyone had done their homework on that particular play style.
@@ammarharith5512they adjust in any style.
22:36 This fact needs some context:
Villa, while technically a Barça player at the 2010 World Cup, hadn't played a single match for Barça yet. He had just been signed from Valencia CF, so by all intents and purposes he should be considered a Valencia player at the tournament, with no experience with Barça's "tiki-taka" tactics.
They reigned supreme for only 4 years, but damn did they make those 4 years count.
How nice is to see people from all the world giving his praise to your national team? Love from Spain. What a nice video @FootballIconic never misses!
Absolutely love these long form video essay, just a joy to watch thx mate
Outstandin video, my friend. You keep outdoing yourself.
Was waiting for this one 👌
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you Sir.
Argentina lost the first world cup match and gone on to win the world cup
I needed this today
A great video about a fantastic group of players
I'll be forever grateful to David Villa to make me fall in love with this beautiful game called football.
beautiful video ❤
Never mentioning Germany 1972-76 is criminal for someone with ball knowledge. Other than that, great video as always
Well at that time there was also the Netherlands of 'total football', and Cruyff.
What a BANGER of a video. All you say is so precise and correct it boggles my mind. A lot of people dont get it and let fanatism get on the way of logic.
ive been watching this guy for a couple of years now and hes def my favorite channel by far
You're a real one for that! Thanks a lot!
@@FootballIconic thank you for all the amazing content !
Great vid😊
You should have a lot more subscribers, quality content mate
Johan Cruyff y el Cruyffismo en el Barça llevó a todo ésto, Stevie Wonder lo vé.
This should be called "The Conquering and Colonization of the World by Spanish Football". Spanish football from this era didn't go away. It went from from being called Spanish football to just being called football. Personnel determines what it looks like on a given team and Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Busquets, Fabregas, etc only happen once. They are the all time greats of playing in tiny spaces. But most of the good countries support the passer like them now with many options and less distance than before, they manage risk in possession like them - speculative passing has plummeted, play out of the back as the regular way, many utilize a high press at least as an option.
Another iconic banger
What a video
It really makes me look back and really admire what a country it was.Sometimes I ask myself what would have happened if not of the 2 losses they had
As you said at the begining of. the video. A perfect storm.
Never seen you do a video over 30 mins, or am i tripping!? This is gonna be good ! 🍿
Always trying to give longer vids for topics that deserve it haha
Aragonis was fired for referring to Thierry Henry as a "black dog"
No he wasn't
What I find interesting is that the rise of Spain happened even before the rise of Pep's Barcelona
It was never peps. Ir was always Messi.
@@oommcc No, Rijkaard had that team and failed, Guardiola made some changes and won everything.
@@robertoperez4118 What? Rijkaard won the ECL with the difficulty of having a young Messi. All that Pep is belong to Messi, all of it, even the opportunity he was given at Bayern and City. All belong to Messi and clearly.
@@robertoperez4118 What? Rijkaard won the ECL with the difficulty of having a young Messi. All that Pep is belong to Messi, all of it, even the opportunity he was given at Bayern and City. All belong to Messi and clearly.
@@oommcc no, Rijkaard didn't, It was Ronaldinho 😂
Finally football iconic has posted again❤. And speaking of Spain 2008-2012, it was the most consistently dominant international football team I've seen in my admittedly short football watching time (post 2002). Only Germany came close, but had too many semifinal and final exits.
That Spanish generation was absolutely amazing. Some of my favourite players like Torres, Iniesta, Ramos and Villa are from that side. Though imo, the true alarm bells started ringing in 2013 when Brazil dominated Spain in the Confederations Cup and how Bayern and Dortmund dominated Barcelona and Real Madrid in the UCL semi finals.
And Bayern and Dortmund also spawned Germany's World Cup winning team a year later.
@@ezraezra2928 yeah, and they proceeded to destroy Brazil in their home ground, it's been 10 years now
@@saadhasan2518 awesome game, can still be seen and enjoyed. The germans slowed down in the second half so as not to further humiliate them in their own country (but Schürrle was unaware of that fact and continued scoring goals).
OOOOOOO 41 minute vid!? After the euros what a great dayyy 🔥
In 2010 Villa signed for Barcelona before the World Cup but had not played for them so I wouldn’t put him in there as a Barca player he was a Valencia player who had just completed a transfer
Imagine casually subbing Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta for Xabi Alonso, Cesc Fabrigas and David Silva 😂.
Thank you SO much for posting this Tinashe! Been recommending this one for a while!
Correction: It was the last 16 against France in 2006. It was so bad that the coach that time blasted his players.
2008 was the start of a football dynasty that can never be repeated nor replicated. Spain won Euro and became #1 in the world and two years later won the World Cup right here in South Africa and made history in 2012 by destroying Italy un the final and retained their title. There will never be another country that can dominate football for 4 years with a football identity of Tiki taka than the Spanish and many countries and clubs tried ans failed miserably since.
I love your videos man. But as a spaniard i must say this is my favorite so far. You nailed every single detail. For me personally its a shame Iniesta or Xavi didnt win Ballon D'Or on 2010 (specially when Modric won 1 on 2018 for doing an amazing world cup) but it is what it is. Love your content ❤
Senna and capdevila never get enough credit for that 2008 win, both worked their arses off
Whenever I want to sleep via listening some good football stories, i turn on your channel. No offence, keep up the good work bro
As a salty Germany Fan, I’ll point out only 2 teams were good enough to beat Germany at the time:
2006: Loses to Italy in WC Semis
2008: Loses to Spain in Euro Final 😡
2010: Loses to Spain in WC Semis
2012: Loses to Italy in Euro Semis
2014: Italy and Spain eliminated In WC Group Stage; GERMANY WINS WC!
Italy and Spain literally stoped a potential German dynasty!
Thank you for this very fun fact😂
What an accurate complete report, a Spanish expert wouldn't have done it better. I only would like to point out ever Spanish club from the big ones to small towns and "barrios" keep producing footballers who progress from children team to the top clubs. It hasn't changed and it's a question of time since everything clicks in again and a new golden generation blooms. Who knows, maybe it's the one in the present Eurocup. I'll come back when this finishes. Congrats again, you have a new subscriber.
I’m downloading opera just to support you brother
Spain dominates when Barcelona dominates. Madrid aids as well but currently they don't have any young Spanish talents to boost the future national team.
El Clasico FC was a menace
Majority of the squad wasn't real madrid or barça players but keep the tiktok knowledge in your head
Domination could easily include Brazil in there as well 94-2004 - 2 world cups and 3 copa’s - they also were arguably the most entertaining football teams
Definitely not the most entertaining in 1994, that Brazil squad was panned back home for playing ugly, but they did get back a lot of their flair in 98 and 02.
Viva La Furia Roja! Thank you for this brother.
You always make great content! Keep up the great work!
Rodri is definitely not the best player on the planet.
However T, great video always! ❤
People usually forget the best national team in the history of football. 2008-2012
Losing to England on penalties is rock bottom 😂
25:46 The best Netherlands team for 40 years, in 2010? That's a bold claim. In practice, it's 1988 when they actually won something (securing 2-0 in the final of the Euro). If you meant on paper, it's assuredly 1992, with Ronald Koeman, Rijkaard, Gullit, Bergkamp, and prime Van Basten. The early 2000 weren't too bad either with the likes of Van Der Saar, Seedorf, Davids, Kluivert and Van Nistelrooy.
And the fact that most of those spanish players were playing for barcelona. Tiki taka was thriving imagine winning three laliga titles two champions leagues a treble then sextuple two euros and a world cup from 2008-2012, that is what you call dominance ☝️☝️☝️
Casillas, Arbeola, Capdevila, Xabi Alonso, David Silva, Pepe Reina, Jesús Navas, Albiol, Marchena, Juan Mata, Javier Martínez, David Villa (Valencia player at the time), Fernando Torres, Fernando Llorente, Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal player at the time).
If you call Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets and Pedro the majority then your knowledge is questionable...
Barcelona from 2008-2012 was the best team ever
Real Madrid was the second best team during that time
And if you combine it you got the best national team ever in Spain
Leaving out best barca nd Madrid players Messi nd Ronaldo
Acting like there wasn't a massive number of non real or barca players in that squad.. In fact most of the squad wasn't madrid or barca.
Fabregas, Juan Mata, David Silva, Capdevila, Albiol, Jesús Navas just to name a few..
England needs to learn from this group. England is arguably in a golden generation right now. If they don't figure it out soon they're going to end up like Belgium. Kevin De Bruyne, Romelu Lukaku, Eden Hazard but no hardware.
🇧🇪 is more in between
someone had to say it, the "tiki taka" started maybe with Shalke 04, but some people believe their team has it in their DNA and that's far from the truth. I am talking about certain Barça fans
I love how the 64 Spain side utilised the same formation that guardiola uses in possession, just a fun reminder that modern football always recycles older styles of play and tactics
awesome
1970's brasil had 5 players that were the number 10 in their teams (both number and position) (maybe little mistaken but something like that, in the starting 11)
Luis Suarez was a baller and a Inter and Barca Legend.
Very, very good video, congrats man. At that time we had the better players in the planet (well, taking apart Messi and CR). Xavi, Iniesta, Alonso, Busquets, Torres... this are the famous (and super class) but others like Cazorla, Silva, Mata were extraordinary players also and in many matches they weren't in the starting eleven. What about the defenders, Ramos, Pique... and Casillas ("Saint" Casillas), one of the best goalkeepers in history! It's difficult to find in any national team in history that amount of incredible players at the same time.
I feel bad for Thiago Alcantarà. International underachiever
The downfall is not that surprising. It's happens with every national teams... Not just Spain.
That's why I predicted neither Croatia nor Belgium is gonna do well this 2024 Euros. These golden generations that ends up generating these successful systems will always have downtime... And there will be those kids who grew up watching them that will revive a new generation in around 10 year period.
Germans died after 2014... They are reviving now. Italians died after 2006-2008... They went soo down by 2014. They revived and won a freaking Euro in 2021. Netherlands is also in their downtime since 2014. Maybe not this Euro but by next World Cup, they are reviving back up.
This is the prime of French national team... And they will die out in next 4-6 years.
It's a cycle. Not a perfect one and you can find exception everywhere, but it is there in some shape or form.
And what about Argentina ? They are consistent for 50 years at that point. So the downfall doesn't matter.
@@lexkanyima2195 Football is Argentina's national religion. By the time a "golden generation" has run its course, they have another batch of promising young players ready to roll. It's kinda the same reason why Brazil has almost always finished top 8 in the world cup.
When the entire country is so invested in the sport, it's no surprise they keep creating talent.
@@Guimaster127 they really are rebuilding talent to become a team.
France will win the 2026 world cup but not sure about the 2028 euros. Think the downfall begins like 2030
@@nonewthing Not a bad guess, I was also in the same page with you. Not them winning the 2026 world cup but them performing really well in it.
But after looking at their performance in this Euros, I'm starting to have doubts. But see how the Spanish national team is starting to look refreshing and revived with full of energy? It's been 11 years since they reached the finals of the confederation Cup in 2013... Which can be considered as the final trophy the last generation won.
Or it's been 12 years since they won the Euros. Anyway, you can see the ~10 year cycle right? The cycle size may vary but it is there
And to think France was 2 finals away from matching this, and possibly few weeks away from having a chance to do something thats never been done
win 2 euro's and 2 worlds, in a row
Loss to Portugal in the 2016 Euros, Win 2018 Worlds, 2020 debacle against Switzerland, and then a loss to Argentina on Pens in the World cup 22 final
Casillas telling the ref to blow the whistle.. out of pity to the Italians.. I cried
Ok when we talk about the Ballon D’OR 2010 we need to put some context Messi was doing numbers unseen at the time he was better than he was in 2009 in hindsight we don’t remember it as much but we know what happened to Messi after 2010 at the time u didn’t know he was going to score 91 goals in a year u didn’t know about the performance against man united in 2011 champions league final we tend to forget that what Messi was doing it was not seen before it was the beginning of the stat merchant era and he’s stats was unprecedented
Yep. Hard to argue with his selections there. Still a shame for Iniesta and Xavi
(Haven’t fully watched the video just leavin this as a note)
I feel like the 2008-12 Spain team played high-possesion football because they were good and suited for it.
Afterwards, the Spain team played high-possesion football because they needed to.
I think the main problem was that the top clubs in Spain started to use their academy talents less and less and use more foreign players. The effect is twofold; firstly, lower focus on academy talents means less talents for the nation itself to work with, and secondly, more foreign players playing in La Liga means more players are used to Spanish tactics and formations, meaning their opponents have more knowledge on how to counter them.
Barcelona, a club that used to pride itself on its academy talents, started to prioritise foreign players worth hundreds of millions (looking at you, Coutinho and Dembele) over La Masia graduates, and that shift in priority sent Barcelona on the verge of bankruptcy.
Only recently did they shift that focus back to academy talent and look at it now. Gavi, Lamine Yamal, Pau Cubarsi, Balde. All wonderkids set to become Spain's next gen golden age.
Real Madrid's Castilla is basically growing cobwebs now with how much neglected it has been. Perez's obsession with the Galacticos might be giving them the results, but its actively hurting Spain's youth players.
Only the Basque clubs have been consistent with their prioritisation of youth, and it gave Spain the results.
Yeah all those wonderkids after a president ruined the club and left no choice. I'm sure that president filled his pockets by swindling the club's money.
May I ask a technical question please?
I recently made a short animation a little like the one you used at the 14:28 mark. Would I be right to think that you made this animation by using OBS while dragging the `football' around your screen?
I used Premier pro here :)
@@FootballIconic I don't know what that is, but can't wait to look into it. Thank you!
@@FootballIconic Loved the video btw.
It's so true - Spain were always viewed as another Holland or England. A team that looked good on paper, but always failed at the big tournaments.
But I'd never thought about how the animosity between Mourinho and Pep impacted on Spain's downfall. Great stuff & thank you again for your reply. :)
Ndeipi Tinashe. Can you do a video about why African nations never win anything at the international stage? Enjoyed this video.
It’s in the works!
that spain team from 2008-2012 was unreal, that's a golden generation, consisted of essentially prime barca
This is the best ever generation... They all reached their peak and subsequent 'demise' and fortunately enough, their peers, Messi and CR7 had to indirectly wait for them a few years before they won something with their national teams...
Politicians and politics always ruins football more often than not.
its insane we only lost plalyoff round vs france and Italy, just insane.
When would a video about the Romania golden generation (1990-2000) come? Looking forward!!👀👀
Iniesta robbed of ballon d or button 🎉
nope he wasn't and i say this as a barca fan.
@@edmund1737wel messi didn’t earn it so it should be between Xavi iniesta and Sneijder if you ask me
@@sapjeskoning6252 wrong. Messi rightfully earned it. And I stand by that. Even Jose said he doesn’t think Messi “robbed” sneijder.
@@sapjeskoning6252 Back in 2010, what Messi did was considered incredible. No one ever scored 60 goals since Gerd Muller. In hindsight it looks less impressive since Messi and Ronaldo would make it look like a normal feat
@@sapjeskoning6252How though?
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