I attend masses offered by the SSPX and have done so since 2017. I am very grateful to have the SSPX seminary near my home and greatly appreciate being able to call it my place of worship. Thank you for your video. God bless you!
Is it the one in Virginia? I've seen their livestreams and I admire the reverence and respect for the Holy Sacrifice 🙏. I admire how basic the chapel really is and they kneel for communion without use of a rail even
The novus ordo is actually supposed to be primarily performed in Latin . Most people haven’t read the actual documents. JP2 said Gregorian chant should be the primary liturgical music. If people were educated on this they could actually work to have a reverent mass. My priest performs the new rite in Latin and we have sacred music
I have studied the documents and tried to educate people. They don’t want to listen and just rebel. The priest just doesn’t have “time” to worry about it either. I am a cantor and sing in multiple choirs, so the topic really matters to me. I am not strong enough to sing for the TLM yet. Hopefully someday I’ll get there.
@@alyciaoswald9776 so admirable. There’s a movement called reverent Catholic mass you might like. It’s unfortunate because it shouldn’t have to be something worked towards it should be the default synonym
@@michaelspeyrer1264 Sure, obey your way down to damnation. "The road to Hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path." - Saint John Chrysostom
It’s amazing how the Bishop of Rome has divided the Church at this point. I fluctuate between NO and the TLM at a SSPX chapel, and without question, will be attending the TLM going forward. Simple.
@@ritaeslinger7011 Of course it is the Eucharist, and as Catholic I do believe it is sacred, holy because it is the body and blood of my Lord Christ. That is why, TLM or Novus Ordo, it is not a problem to me as I worship Jesus Christ, my Lord and My God.
@@ven1805 That’s great for you. However, have you looked up what percentage of Catholics actually believe in the Real Presence? It’s also scary how many priests don’t believe in the Real Presence
@@Ohyet0210 I don't know which mass is true which one is not. As far as I know, the true mass is the mass that celebrates and worships the Eucharist, no matter what rite it is using. As long as the Eucharist (that is the body and blood of Christ) is the focus, TLM or NO, Western or Eastern, I have no problem at all.
The conclusion is materially erroneous. What the pope actually has is supreme power, not absolute power. That's an enormous difference that the ultramontanists don't catch. Absolute implies without limits, whereas supreme means the highest within a given structure.
@@joebrandel6204 Lol I'm here watching these videos too I'm just saying there's more to Catholicism than muh pretty mass and converts shouldn't dive into this stuff right away
NO masses were, early on, much the same as TLM except for a) orientation to the congregation, b) Scripture readings by a Lecter, c) vernacular language translation and d) the addition of handshake during the Pax Vobiscum. All else was essentially unchanged in most parishes. This was the case for most of the ‘70s until modernist, Protestant and secular ideas & elements crept in more & more.
I think instead of promoting schism you should pray for our leadership in the Church. If you disagree with Church doctrine, remember to look toward yourself, “why am I feeling this as disagreeable?” The Church has existed for 2,000 years and is eternal, we are only here for a short time. Remember the Nicene Creed: one, holy, apostolic, Catholic.
I have found, those who defend the New church are still attached to the world . Adhering to what the church has always taught is too hard for most modernist today.
@@minorityvoice9253 yes his video does and a lot of his other content rides the lines very closely. Correct me if I’m wrong but he’s an influencer, not a priest or a bishop so I am not going to take his word seriously because he lacks any real authority or credibility. What I do take seriously are influencers trying to create divisions in my faith through bad arguments presented by skilled speakers. That is a tool of the devil. They need to be held accountable for what they post. We don’t need to, nor should we, separate into two camps just because of allegations that the “Latin Mass will be banned.” That is schism. Just by us arguing here, “I Miss Christendom” is fomenting schism, instead praying for our Lord to help our priests and bishops like a Catholic should do.
Really? In which way am I to submit to the Pope? What is he asking me to do that I refuse to do? Get vaccinated? Stop attending the Mass of the saints?
When I was terminated from my 18 year employment from a large NE world famous oncology hospital for refusing an experimental drug, I scoured the internet for free states and institute or FSSP churches. Moved within the year, I never wanted my mass taken from me ever again. I was in a diocesan parish with TLM.
When I was about to be terminated from the hospital Fr Kevin Robinson wrote me a custom and personalized letter to my employer how I a catholic had religious reasons for refusing the vaccine. Im from Canada, far away and hes never met me yet he went out of his way to save my employment. Ill always be thankful to him and the sspx for that thing they did for me.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 The Pope has said they are licit. My Archbishop has said that you fulfill your s Sunday obligation if you go to SSPX Mass. Francis has declared that they are licit. Did you get elected Pope?
In major cities in India, the Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated in Hotels and private halls by the SSPX and other traditional priests. Archbishop Lefebvre is undoubtedly the spearhead of the Traditional revival.
No, it is no options - because hundreds of miles are not doable for old people. I"ll just have to find the "best" NO mass, do my Sunday duty, but not receive Holy Communion; there is much to offer up, but it will be rough.
Canon Law is our friend, specifically Canon 1248. Can. 1248 par 2: "If because of lack of a sacred minister OR FOR OTHER GRAVE CAUSE participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the liturgy of the word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, OR ENGAGE IN PRAYER FOR AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME PERSONALLY or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."
@@Saiyan585 Thereis one60 miles away, I have gone there in the summer, but in the winter, the liturgy is in the evening on Saturday, I can't go because I can't drive in the dark. Also, alas, that parish is very small and dying out.But thank you for your concern, I just keep on trusting that God will provide.
They have already banned my Latin mass in 2021, we were all converts, and in our whole country it was the only one. We worked for it to started to be celebrated in 2017 and to br contained until then. When it was gone, it did not stop there, last Easter, I was asked to come to receive the Holy Communion NOT while kneeling. I did not go, and in a few weeks I left the country in a hope with finding a Latin Mass but I couldn't, and now I hear these things. I lost my love, and it seems I have lost it forever...
I want to emphasize people have to go to the NO if there’s no TLM available. We have to do it. The one thing I’m sure we cannot do is miss Mass. That would be a mortal sin.
be as traditional at a Norvus ordo as possible: wear the veils and dress impeccably, kneel and receive Our Lord on the tongue(if denied be on your knees at the altar until the priest sits down, respond in Latin, do not get up and shake hands during consecration. peacefully protest
Glad to see you found Fr. Hess. Absolutely amazing lawyer. Ery good at explaing church law. So many hyper papist on here that somehow think they can stop people from loving God out of obedience... so sad
They won’t. They already canceled three of my priests and my bishop. Mass is moved to a private home on a private property. Our Lord has neither canceled nor banned any of them.
@@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81 Why do you have the pain? If you attending mass to celebrate the Eucharist, you are supposed to have a greater joy as you will always experience Jesus Himself. You wouldn't be so attached to something that (the attachment) will distract you from the real meaning of Eucharist, regardless what rite you are attending.
You certainly speak the Truth. Don’t know where you came from, but have been analyzing you until, so little it might be, a comma, even would go against our Lord. Thank you!!!! You did not. Sometimes it is subtil, hidden, but you are not of this kind. Stay the course
I have attended the Masses of the SSPX my whole life. I am 47 and will not change no matter what the Bergolians do!! Into the woods, basements in hiding we will always hold to the TLM!! Remember the Vonday, the Christeros!! Viva Christo Rey!! Que VIVA!!! My only job here on earth is to know, love and serve GOD!
The SSPX brought me into the church. I've moved across the country since, and the only latin mass available to my family is a small central european ethnic church in my city. I'm afraid its on the chopping block and I have no other latin mass within 2 hours of me. I've tried my hardest to respect bergoglio, but enough is enough. Hes destroying catholic communities and he's destroying families.
He cant destroy mine. My wife and I both left the centuries corrupt catholic church decades ago. Neither of us have any regrets. Frankies just a man, no greater or lesser than anyone else. Only catholics fear splitting from him for reasons I just do NOT get.
I think we should come to the Church to worship Him, regardless it is SSPX, regardless the traditions or regardless the language. Love to Christ must be above all of everything. And when we respect the Pope just because we in agreement with him, it is strange. He is the pope, Vicar of Christ in this world, no matter we like him or not. As successor of Peter, he has authority to bind or release something on earth. And this authority came from Jesus Himself. We can't just go just because we disagree. God's thought is not our thought, regardless we like it or not.
@donreinke5863 I'm no admirer of Francis, but Catholics act the way we do because we believe that the OFFICE of the Pope exists, as distinct from whether any given office-holder is good or bad. Given that assumption, those who resist what we believe are unjust decrees by the Popes are forced to either say "recognize and resist" or that the See is currently vacant.
@@sanjivjhangiani3243 I believe you call it "sedevacantism" or something of that nature. I studied the history of the church,, before i decided to leave it, and there have indeed been some real "clinkers" such as the corrupt Borgia popes and far more recently, a guy who called himself Leo who stated that Bible distribution societies were "satanic contrivances". In all fairness, some of them were decent persons though I refuse to believe that any mere man is infallible as the catholic church claims.
Serious question to the author. If the bishop of your diocese ordered the SSPX and its adherents within his territory to do something within his authority, but it was extremely unpopular do you think the people would you do it? Would you do it?
No diocesan bishop has the right,and will order SSPX to due anything, because SSPX is not an Ecclesia Die Society,so is not under the direction or authority of s diocesan bishop.Something happened in my chapel recently,a parish priest within the location of our SSPX came,as a spy to confirm that there's actually a TLM going on there,after that he called our priests commanding him to close the chapel,with threat,perhaps not knowing his powers and right,later ceases to call him,even to receive his call,very sure he must have been informed and educated about SSPX and her missions. Yes,our prior do visit the diocesan and apostolic nuncio on courtesy call,but indeed they can't direct or enforce anything with SSPX. That's why the author of this podcast is right in recommending SSPX, because if Rome decided to ban the TLM, SSPX will remain faithful,just like during the COVID,even if Ecclesia Die Societies are permitted,be sure that there will be strenuous conditions attached,to be fulfilled, hurdles they must pass through various diocesan bishops,and the Diacastery in Rome. SSPX is the best optional, their Mass and sacraments are legit and valid,they are not schismatic or excommunicated.
If the Diocesan founded TLM society is acceptable, than the non-Diocesan TLM societies are valid, SO when the Diocesan TLM societies are closed-down, the faithful are in full communion with Rome, attending non-Diocesan TLM society churches. Deo Primum
The enemy will not stop at Diocesan TLM'S. If you think the persecution won't come for the "allowed"TLM groups, then you are naive. SSPX is a refuge. God always provides. " The SSPX is like a bone stuck in the throat of Rome, they can't swallow it and they can't cough it up." -Malichi Martin
@@lovesrlady2 SSPX is in schism. St. Ignatius, “anyone who follows a man who makes a schism in the Church, he cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.” Philadelphians 3-4
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
It's being limited because the magisterium are modernists who don't like the original Christian faith that was given to us by Christ through the apostles. They are trying to change the Catholic church to something that is more concerned about the material needs of people than their eternal salvation. If you don't believe me just pay attention to the prayers given during mass. It will be all about relieving material or emotional suffering of people but not one prayer will be said for the conversion and salvation of souls.
Our TLM is full and overflow.. full of the most lovely traditional people who honor God in reverence and beauty . How very sad the Shepherd seeks to destroy this beautiful rite .
I wish you would reach out to Dr Robert Sungenis on this issue & interview him. Both of you have seem to be extremely fair. He’s extremely versed on multiple areas.
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
Unfortunately you don't understand that the sspx is not outside the Church and never has been. They have never rejected any dogmas or doctrines of the faith that are infallible. This comment has a lack of understanding of the SSPXs position. I would suggest you research it a bit more and also educate yourself on the three level of the magisterium.
@@minorityvoice9253 I did... Not saint will agree with SSPX... But I pray we all again unite with Rome... There is only one body of Christ and even they are wrong we most suffer and be with Jesus at his church.
With 16 Priests mandatory, worldwide, the number of SSPX priests is only level with retirements. Areas without SSPX won’t be ‘getting an SSPX Priest’ anytime soon.
I do not agree that it is banned, Jesus said that those who are not against us ,are with us. The church is one , formed of different poeple of different Languages. It is best not to create difficulties
The orthodox are in schism. A majority of bishops retroactively revoked their signatures on the Council of Florence after it had concluded. In the 13th century in response to the natural development of the Filioque doctrine, they innovated the concept of eternal manifestation which is not present in scripture or the church fathers.
You would have to reject the biblical evident filioque and accept divorce and contraception. I'm not a Sedevacantist but the Dimond Bros have plenty of good videos debunking the Orthodox position worth looking into.
@@TruLuan brainwashed, the Filioque destroys the trinity. the Pope rejected the Filioque in the 8th ecumenical council, the pope even put up huge silver plaques of the Nicene creed WITHOUT Filioque, How does that work with an infallible pope? The Vatican admits the papacy of the first millennia did not have universal jurisdiction or papal supremacy, I encourage you to come home, maybe try western rite orthodoxy if there's a parish near you.
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
And become a schismatic? No thanks! To accept contraception, divorce and re-marriage, and reject central dogmas of the faith? Also no thanks. Repent of your sin of schism.
Good question. The words of consecration are valid but it’s “messy.” However, if a priest will give communion to divorced but civilly remarried Catholics, then the intent is in question and the Sacrament of the Eucharist is not valid. People need to be in a state of grace (meaning going for confession to confess sins and receive absolution) before receiving the Sacrament of Holy Communion.
I’m seeing that problem in my area. St soberts does the novus ordo without communion prior to and don’t get me started. The FSSP does a Latin mass and has a choir. It’s a blessing but I’ve seen strange things there too. The goal is also to remove consecrated grounds and make them un consecrated. Watch for that next.
I drive 90 miles away for the TLM on Saturdays. I can’t seem to find the SSPX close enough but if I can’t go to the ICK then I will drive the 2 and a half hours on Sunday to attend with the SSPX instead. The more they restrict the TLM, the more I will search.
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
@@balletistanica04 You do realize that the SSPX are in Communion with Rome. They have an ill-regular status. This is not uncommon. In the history of the church this was much more common. Rome has been taking over power that doesn’t belong to it from the Bishops. What it is doing now is not in line with how Rome is supposed to function via Tradition. The Bishops are princes of the Church and have authority to govern their own diocese. It’s not the Pope’s job to police and order them around. Peter is supposed to settle disputes about the faith and confirm his brothers in it. Today he is doing the opposite. What the good Bishop did in consecrating Bishops against the expressed will of Rome was done by at least two other Bishops in modern times yet it was okay for them because they were on the “right” side. Archbishop Lefebvre will be a Saint someday. Rome needs put back into its place. Catholics have become the ultramotanist caricature that the orthodox paint us as. We need order restored and it won’t happen if we who are inside the Church don’t resist and push back.
05:45, “The pope is the head of the Church”. Oh nooo, pppleeease! Not this heresy again! The head of the Church is Christ: it’s something that you learn in elementary catechism. The pope is just the vicar of Christ, his deputy. He is not Christ, he is not the supreme head. The Church is the mystical body of Christ, not the mystical body of the pope.
I can only imagine the Apostles up in heaven shaking their heads over this. Seriously, give everything to Christ, that includes the mass. I love it too, but I am obedient to the church not to my tastes.
First let me say I appreciate and agree with this channel. But I will not be driving, like some do, for 2 to 3 hours, one way, to attend a Latin mass. The NOM is valid. There is nothing magical about Latin. It was the lingua franca in the past. English is now our lingua franca. I think what people are repulsed by are the weird novelties that some ultra liberal clerics seem to embrace. People also look at the church and the world in general, and pine for a simpler, more stable and moral world. Fortunately our diocesan parish is more conservative. It offers communiion on the tongue and under both species by intinction. The priest faces the altar and not the people. Others may disagree, but one of the best things the church did was to allow the mass to be said in the vernacular. After all, the first masses were. But if you enjoy the mass in Latin, that is fine. I enjoy it occassionally too. However, this does bring up the question of obedience. Without that, we are not the Catholic Church. I don't know how this will all play out in the future. Pray for the church and the clergy, especially the pope and the bishops.
@@figurefour633 Calling out that the Vatican 2 teaches doctrines already condemned by the Catholic Church is schismatic? I’ll think I’ll follow our lord rather than people that follow the pachamama. It’s so obvious this is a new religion
@@BrianBenson-rc9mu it is true, that the TLM followers reject Vatican II. You are no longer in communion with the Pope. You don’t see how you have gone astray? You must repent!
there is NOTHING morally wrong with the proper worship of the missal of '69. there is nothing wrong with using the missal of '62. going into schism with the Catholic Church because of preference is very disheartening to me. if you have to play mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that the post-consiliatory Church is "in schism" with those who prefer the missal of '62 you're listening to demons. this is how the devil works to undermine the true faith. can you be hurt and upset with the loss of diocesan Latin mass? of course. does that mean the Novus Ordo is heretical? no. why? the laity does not have that authority. neither does a single or a dozen bishops, archbishop, or cardinals. submit to Rome and pray for the missal's return. and if it doesn't. accept the teachings of the church.
the "normal Mass" is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! The n o is only some 60 years old. Its the aberration. You need to start attending " the normal Mass".
The SSPX near us are so strict and don't allow children to make noise in Mass. I know someone who was asked to leave because her autistic son was making some noise, nothing too loud according to her. We have very loud children who don't sit still in Mass. We just couldn't bring them. It would be way too stressful and I'm pretty sure we would be judged and asked to leave, also. I'm feeling really torn at the moment. We go to an Oratory Latin Mass at the moment but its 50 mins away and is getting too expensive in petrol to travel to. Not only that but its most likely going to be banned soon. Its making me want to just give up at this point. I'm feeling stuck. I can't go to Norvus Ordo, I can't do SSPX and our Latin Mass will be cancelled soon plus its too far. I can't express how dejected I feel at the moment. I almost want to throw my hands up in the air and give up on Mass attendance all together.
Latin NO, is amazing actually, but banning latin mass is stupid, we need latin reverend novus ordo, and TLM, we need only some litle charismatic churches for introduction of the faith, at most
I go to a Latin NO and I love it. I attended a LM and honestly, I like the Latin NO better. I think the church needs to push back against liturgical abuses in the NO and the Bishops need to do a better job keeping their territories in check for going too modern. The Latin NO needs to be pushed.
@@TruLuan yeah ultra reverend NO, is done by fanatics for God, just like TLM, if every mass in the latin rite was like those both, i would have never asked for something else
The latin mass is not banned. Ask the priest to perform the mass of paul vi in latin, as it should be. This was the original intent of the second Vatican Council. As the supreme legislator of the church, the pope can suppress any rite or modify them.
@@polemeros you can call it the mass of pius v. but that doesn’t detract from what i said, the popes can suppress and modify or suspend elements or entire rites unilaterally, as they have done several times in the 2,000 years of the history of the church. The motivation of suspending the mass of pius v is because it is being used to divide the church and provoke or promote disobedience to the magisterium properly exercised by the roman pontiff.
@@polemeros nevertheless, the normal or usual rite of the roman church has been promulgated to be the mass of paul vi. and all variations to other languages must conform to the latin rubrics. this is the difference. the mass of pius v is not promulgated to be translated into any other languages. it can only be said in latin, with some extensions in greek. whereas, the mass of paul vi was specifically designed to be translated into any language, subject to the consent of rome. the mass, in all its rites belong properly to God, and by extension to His Church. the power of binding or loosing properly belongs to the supreme pontiff, or to anyone he delegates authority, usually the conference of bishops or eastern synods, under the approval of the roman congregations. so no, it is wrong to say that a latin mass cannot be said in latin. latin is the source. even the ambrosian rite and mozarabian rites have been reformed. an attachment to a rite that properly belongs to the roman church must not be made into a symbol or act of disobedience or disloyalty to the source of visible unity in the church, the roman pontiff.
Dang my bother in Christ if you are willing to break communion with Rome over the form of the mass promulgated by the holy father and accepted by the magisterium, I dont know if you really have faith in God and His Church or in the Tridentine form of one of the many rites of the church. Thats really cringe
If the Pope, or the local bishop, were to ban the 1962 Mass, such a command should - all things being equal - be obeyed. One's rightful superiors should never be disobeyed, unless they command something forbidden by the law of God. So the Pope should be obeyed if he changes the Rite of Mass; but must be disobeyed, if he commands an act of apostasy. Catholics should be readier to obey legitimate commands of their legitimate superiors, than to find reasons not to obey; for generosity of heart and will in obeying the legitimate commands of others is a virtue. Obedience to the authority of our bishops & of the Pope is not something that lovers of the 1962 Mass talk about very much; which is odd, to say the least. If Christ "learned obedience", as Hebrews 5.7 says He did, then His would-be followers cannot behave any differently. Catholics have no right to find fault with Luther for shrugging off Papal authority, if they themselves shrug off that very same authority.
If you're willing to leave the Church over your preferences in liturgy then you have made the liturgy about you instead of God. The liturgy is for God, not you. It being less than ideal, which it always will be when performed and attended by imperfect people, is not a valid excuse for dissenting against the hierarchy and leaving the Church. That kind of attitude is no better than the boomers who leave for protestantism because they liked their rock shows more than mass. It's less cringe in style, but it's equally damnable behavior.
I don't understand this channel's psychotic obsession with the SSPX. I'm a discerning Catholic and have been going to an FSSP Latin Mass, and it's beautiful. SSPX'ers need to chill out.
The FSSP ONLY exists because the SSPX does, that's WHY the FSSP was formed. On the day the SSPX dissolves itself is the day that the FSSP will be squashed by the Vatican as well as the ICKSP. No SSPX = No FSSP.
:47 the SSPX is NOT IN COMMUNION WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH . Sacraments need to be offered validly AND licitly for you to fulfill your Sunday obligation unless you have no reasonable way to do so.
Alright yall have fun jumping ship on to your own sinking lefebvre ship... Or whats ever sect that hates pope Francis. Also if you guys knew Spanish, Francis is super awesome but yall Americans be going crazy for no reason lol
@@sniperpronerfmods9811 then give me an example of something what he said in Spanish, which is likely to be misunderstood by those who do not have inside knowledge.
@@BlandBanana ooooooohhhhhhh. Ray cists. Do you know that so-called racism was absolutely unknown to the entire Christian edition as some kind of sin until the last 70 years? It is a moral issue that comes entirely from secular sources and yet people like you somehow think it is a huge moral issue at the heart of Catholicism. It is just another secular fantasy, like the divine right of kings.
The Lefebvrian priests do not have the faculties to say public Mass and therefore every Mass they celebrate is an act of disobedience. It is not a Mass that I would want to attend.
They should - as a mockery of religion. Unless the congregation is fluent in Latin. In penance for the centuries the Catholic Church spent making unintelligible noises in the House of God ... & using them to bestow divine authority on their unspeakable deeds.
@@polemeros No - I am Muslim ... as anyone could tell from the name. I have seen the evil that comes from preaching in Arabic - when none of the congregation understand it. And I know that disempowerment is the objective of all corrupt clerics.
@@polemeros No. I am Muslim as you can tell from my name. But I have seen the same corruption in Muslim clerics who insist on preaching in Arabic to congregations who do not speak a word of it. The object is the same - How can anyone argue with you, when they cannot understand a word you say? The motive is the same - To obtain unintelligible divine sanction for doing the unspeakable. There is a reason that the French insisted on Imams fluent in French - it is a shame they don't insist on congregations fluent in Latin. One law for us - another for them. It is ALAWYS dangerous to insist on blind & literal faith in the unintelligible. Who sets their satnav to Latin?
@@imankhandaker6103 Well, that alters things. You are an outsider to this discussion. However, despite the fact that the vast majority of Muslims do not speak Arabic, Islam requires that the Quran be read in 7th century Arabic and the salat prayers are all to be done in that language. Your religion, like virtually all religions, retains an ancient sacred language for worship. Preaching is another matter and Christian preachers have always used the local language for that.
@@polemeros The most critical thing in Islam is to compel preacher to speak in a language understood by the congregation. Ironically it is one of the few things that the racist French gonvernment have got right. The Catholic Church, like imams, preach in a language their listeners do not understand - so they can distort Gods will into fitting their own words.
I attend masses offered by the SSPX and have done so since 2017. I am very grateful to have the SSPX seminary near my home and greatly appreciate being able to call it my place of worship. Thank you for your video. God bless you!
Is it the one in Virginia? I've seen their livestreams and I admire the reverence and respect for the Holy Sacrifice 🙏. I admire how basic the chapel really is and they kneel for communion without use of a rail even
Yes, it is located in Dillwyn Virginia. A wonderful and welcoming place!
SSPX is in schism and financed by the Rothschilds
The novus ordo is actually supposed to be primarily performed in Latin . Most people haven’t read the actual documents. JP2 said Gregorian chant should be the primary liturgical music. If people were educated on this they could actually work to have a reverent mass. My priest performs the new rite in Latin and we have sacred music
NO in latin is lipstick on a pig. I'd rather have TLM liturgy in English than "reverent" NO in latin with Gregory chants.
I have studied the documents and tried to educate people. They don’t want to listen and just rebel. The priest just doesn’t have “time” to worry about it either.
I am a cantor and sing in multiple choirs, so the topic really matters to me. I am not strong enough to sing for the TLM yet. Hopefully someday I’ll get there.
@@alyciaoswald9776 so admirable. There’s a movement called reverent Catholic mass you might like. It’s unfortunate because it shouldn’t have to be something worked towards it should be the default synonym
We use Latin (and Greek) in the Norvus Ordo in my Parish.
Yea there is a traditional NO mass near me that is in Latin and it's beautiful honestly. They use incense and say the St. Michael prayer at the end.
We're going to need a bigger boat.
No you’re going to need obedience and humility.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 Sure, obey your way down to damnation.
"The road to Hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lamp posts that light the path." - Saint John Chrysostom
@@michaelspeyrer1264 That is why I am staying on the ship. We don't need another boat.
Read Pastor Aeternus 3 and submit to Rome. Dont be Protestant@@viniciusmarcellino
Christ is the new ark …. We need to pull up ourselves and make the martyred saints proud. Smh. Pray. Fast. Repent. Love. Forgive.
It’s amazing how the Bishop of Rome has divided the Church at this point.
I fluctuate between NO and the TLM at a SSPX chapel, and without question, will be attending the TLM going forward.
Simple.
Are you going to the mass to celebrate the Eucharist and receive the body of Christ, or to express your love towards TLM?
@@ven1805 Here’s a question: do you believe the Mass is a Holy Sacrifice or just a meal?
@@ritaeslinger7011 Of course it is the Eucharist, and as Catholic I do believe it is sacred, holy because it is the body and blood of my Lord Christ. That is why, TLM or Novus Ordo, it is not a problem to me as I worship Jesus Christ, my Lord and My God.
@@ven1805 That’s great for you. However, have you looked up what percentage of Catholics actually believe in the Real Presence? It’s also scary how many priests don’t believe in the Real Presence
@@ritaeslinger7011 Yes, it's sad, but the number is in the US, not worldwide. And I think mostly because they don't care about religious life.
PRAY, PRAY, PRAY FOR THE TRUE TLM CATHOLIC CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST !!!
The True Mass must be taken away. They seem to be in a hurry to do this. Let us all pray the Rosary daily.
Have been for some time. The seven sorrows. Fast. Repent. Confess. Offer it all up. God be with you.
@@Ohyet0210 I don't know which mass is true which one is not. As far as I know, the true mass is the mass that celebrates and worships the Eucharist, no matter what rite it is using. As long as the Eucharist (that is the body and blood of Christ) is the focus, TLM or NO, Western or Eastern, I have no problem at all.
The conclusion is materially erroneous. What the pope actually has is supreme power, not absolute power. That's an enormous difference that the ultramontanists don't catch. Absolute implies without limits, whereas supreme means the highest within a given structure.
Smelling the Argentine coffee.
What´s the meaning of this expression?
@@TheYuri64 if i had to guess, it probably has something to do with Pope Francis..
All I smell is entitled schismatics
Smells pretty nasty, doesn’t it?
@@michaelspeyrer1264In Rome.
Love the videos brother! I'm a convert and your videos have cleared up a lot of confusion in my life.
Eh I don't think getting into liturgy obsession from trad spaces is the best thing to do as a recent convert. God bless
@@chescocooks7697not at all!
Mike Lofton not now.@chescocooks7697
@@joebrandel6204 Lol I'm here watching these videos too I'm just saying there's more to Catholicism than muh pretty mass and converts shouldn't dive into this stuff right away
NO masses were, early on, much the same as TLM except for a) orientation to the congregation, b) Scripture readings by a Lecter, c) vernacular language translation and d) the addition of handshake during the Pax Vobiscum. All else was essentially unchanged in most parishes. This was the case for most of the ‘70s until modernist, Protestant and secular ideas & elements crept in more & more.
I think instead of promoting schism you should pray for our leadership in the Church. If you disagree with Church doctrine, remember to look toward yourself, “why am I feeling this as disagreeable?” The Church has existed for 2,000 years and is eternal, we are only here for a short time. Remember the Nicene Creed: one, holy, apostolic, Catholic.
You don't understand schism apparently because he isn't promoting schism. And what doctrine is he stating that he is not adhering to?
I have found, those who defend the New church are still attached to the world . Adhering to what the church has always taught is too hard for most modernist today.
@@minorityvoice9253 yes his video does and a lot of his other content rides the lines very closely. Correct me if I’m wrong but he’s an influencer, not a priest or a bishop so I am not going to take his word seriously because he lacks any real authority or credibility. What I do take seriously are influencers trying to create divisions in my faith through bad arguments presented by skilled speakers. That is a tool of the devil. They need to be held accountable for what they post. We don’t need to, nor should we, separate into two camps just because of allegations that the “Latin Mass will be banned.” That is schism. Just by us arguing here, “I Miss Christendom” is fomenting schism, instead praying for our Lord to help our priests and bishops like a Catholic should do.
@@76katsterthat’s funny coming from the person who doesn’t submit to the pope 😂 Protestant activities
Really? In which way am I to submit to the Pope? What is he asking me to do that I refuse to do? Get vaccinated? Stop attending the Mass of the saints?
When I was terminated from my 18 year employment from a large NE world famous oncology hospital for refusing an experimental drug, I scoured the internet for free states and institute or FSSP churches. Moved within the year, I never wanted my mass taken from me ever again. I was in a diocesan parish with TLM.
When I was about to be terminated from the hospital Fr Kevin Robinson wrote me a custom and personalized letter to my employer how I a catholic had religious reasons for refusing the vaccine. Im from Canada, far away and hes never met me yet he went out of his way to save my employment. Ill always be thankful to him and the sspx for that thing they did for me.
@@Chris-jr2nu he’s a great Priest
I have the SSPX 10 minutes from my home by car. I am blessed. The FSSP has a parish 70 minutes away.
No you don’t Bexauee that Mass didn’t licit , and both validity and licity are required.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 The Pope has said they are licit. My Archbishop has said that you fulfill your s
Sunday obligation if you go to SSPX Mass. Francis has declared that they are licit. Did you get elected Pope?
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the Rothschilds
@@user-pk3ve5ls6y SSPX is in schism
In major cities in India, the Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated in Hotels and private halls by the SSPX and other traditional priests.
Archbishop Lefebvre is undoubtedly the spearhead of the Traditional revival.
SSPX is in schism and financed by the Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
No, it is no options - because hundreds of miles are not doable for old people. I"ll just have to find the "best" NO mass, do my Sunday duty, but not receive Holy Communion; there is much to offer up, but it will be rough.
Do you have a Ukrainian Catholic church nearby? The eastern divine liturgy is 🤌
Canon Law is our friend, specifically Canon 1248. Can. 1248 par 2: "If because of lack of a sacred minister OR FOR OTHER GRAVE CAUSE participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the liturgy of the word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, OR ENGAGE IN PRAYER FOR AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME PERSONALLY or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."
@@Saiyan585 Thereis one60 miles away, I have gone there in the summer, but in the winter, the liturgy is in the evening on Saturday, I can't go because I can't drive in the dark. Also, alas, that parish is very small and dying out.But thank you for your concern, I just keep on trusting that God will provide.
Saints have done this as well and never lost their faith
Benedict said both the ordianry and extraordinary forms constitute one Roman Rite. If you refuse to celebrate one, you are not worthy of the other.
I attend TLM with a priest ordained in the traditional Roman rite. V2 is heresy
I care less, i wouldn't stop celebrating the Tridentine Mass.
They have already banned my Latin mass in 2021, we were all converts, and in our whole country it was the only one. We worked for it to started to be celebrated in 2017 and to br contained until then. When it was gone, it did not stop there, last Easter, I was asked to come to receive the Holy Communion NOT while kneeling. I did not go, and in a few weeks I left the country in a hope with finding a Latin Mass but I couldn't, and now I hear these things. I lost my love, and it seems I have lost it forever...
Which country are you from?
@@shanseli7490 Turkey
I miss Christendom, you always deliver!
Why not just go to a Byzantine Rite church? That's just as steeped in tradition as the Latin Mass, if not more so.
I want to emphasize people have to go to the NO if there’s no TLM available. We have to do it. The one thing I’m sure we cannot do is miss Mass. That would be a mortal sin.
be as traditional at a Norvus ordo as possible: wear the veils and dress impeccably, kneel and receive Our Lord on the tongue(if denied be on your knees at the altar until the priest sits down, respond in Latin, do not get up and shake hands during consecration. peacefully protest
It's clearer than ever Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre was indeed right.
Didn't know SSPX was a thing. thank you
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
It’s a schism
Glad to see you found Fr. Hess. Absolutely amazing lawyer. Ery good at explaing church law. So many hyper papist on here that somehow think they can stop people from loving God out of obedience... so sad
They won’t. They already canceled three of my priests and my bishop. Mass is moved to a private home on a private property. Our Lord has neither canceled nor banned any of them.
The pain of attending my local Novus Ordo is a weekly penance that I endure out of obedience.
@@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81 Why do you have the pain? If you attending mass to celebrate the Eucharist, you are supposed to have a greater joy as you will always experience Jesus Himself. You wouldn't be so attached to something that (the attachment) will distract you from the real meaning of Eucharist, regardless what rite you are attending.
You certainly speak the Truth. Don’t know where you came from, but have been analyzing you until, so little it might be, a comma, even would go against our Lord. Thank you!!!! You did not. Sometimes it is subtil, hidden, but you are not of this kind. Stay the course
2:04 Where are you getting that information about the title “Canon”? That doesn’t seem right.
I have attended the Masses of the SSPX my whole life. I am 47 and will not change no matter what the Bergolians do!! Into the woods, basements in hiding we will always hold to the TLM!! Remember the Vonday, the Christeros!! Viva Christo Rey!! Que VIVA!!! My only job here on earth is to know, love and serve GOD!
Love your videos! But need the background music back, please!
Great video....Thanks.
The SSPX brought me into the church. I've moved across the country since, and the only latin mass available to my family is a small central european ethnic church in my city. I'm afraid its on the chopping block and I have no other latin mass within 2 hours of me. I've tried my hardest to respect bergoglio, but enough is enough. Hes destroying catholic communities and he's destroying families.
I’m guessing it’s probably the equivalent to a diocesan one?
He cant destroy mine. My wife and I both left the centuries corrupt catholic church decades ago.
Neither of us have any regrets. Frankies just a man, no greater or lesser than anyone else. Only catholics fear splitting from him for reasons I just do NOT get.
I think we should come to the Church to worship Him, regardless it is SSPX, regardless the traditions or regardless the language. Love to Christ must be above all of everything. And when we respect the Pope just because we in agreement with him, it is strange. He is the pope, Vicar of Christ in this world, no matter we like him or not. As successor of Peter, he has authority to bind or release something on earth. And this authority came from Jesus Himself. We can't just go just because we disagree. God's thought is not our thought, regardless we like it or not.
@donreinke5863 I'm no admirer of Francis, but Catholics act the way we do because we believe that the OFFICE of the Pope exists, as distinct from whether any given office-holder is good or bad. Given that assumption, those who resist what we believe are unjust decrees by the Popes are forced to either say "recognize and resist" or that the See is currently vacant.
@@sanjivjhangiani3243 I believe you call it "sedevacantism" or something of that nature.
I studied the history of the church,, before i decided to leave it, and there have indeed been some real "clinkers" such as the corrupt Borgia popes and far more recently, a guy who called himself Leo who stated that Bible distribution societies were "satanic contrivances".
In all fairness, some of them were decent persons though I refuse to believe that any mere man is infallible as the catholic church claims.
Serious question to the author. If the bishop of your diocese ordered the SSPX and its adherents within his territory to do something within his authority, but it was extremely unpopular do you think the people would you do it? Would you do it?
No diocesan bishop has the right,and will order SSPX to due anything, because SSPX is not an Ecclesia Die Society,so is not under the direction or authority of s diocesan bishop.Something happened in my chapel recently,a parish priest within the location of our SSPX came,as a spy to confirm that there's actually a TLM going on there,after that he called our priests commanding him to close the chapel,with threat,perhaps not knowing his powers and right,later ceases to call him,even to receive his call,very sure he must have been informed and educated about SSPX and her missions. Yes,our prior do visit the diocesan and apostolic nuncio on courtesy call,but indeed they can't direct or enforce anything with SSPX. That's why the author of this podcast is right in recommending SSPX, because if Rome decided to ban the TLM, SSPX will remain faithful,just like during the COVID,even if Ecclesia Die Societies are permitted,be sure that there will be strenuous conditions attached,to be fulfilled, hurdles they must pass through various diocesan bishops,and the Diacastery in Rome. SSPX is the best optional, their Mass and sacraments are legit and valid,they are not schismatic or excommunicated.
If the Diocesan founded TLM society is acceptable, than the non-Diocesan TLM societies are valid, SO when the Diocesan TLM societies are closed-down, the faithful are in full communion with Rome, attending non-Diocesan TLM society churches. Deo Primum
Going to the SSPX.
holup, being a canon does not make you a canon law expert. those are unrelated things
The enemy will not stop at Diocesan TLM'S. If you think the persecution won't come for the "allowed"TLM groups, then you are naive. SSPX is a refuge. God always provides. " The SSPX is like a bone stuck in the throat of Rome, they can't swallow it and they can't cough it up." -Malichi Martin
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the Rothschilds.
@@lovesrlady2 SSPX is in schism. St. Ignatius, “anyone who follows a man who makes a schism in the Church, he cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.” Philadelphians 3-4
@@figurefour633 Put the whiskey bottle down already.
Amen ‼️
I have not done much research but I do not understand why the Latin Mass is being limited
Because of schismatics weponizing it against the magisterium.
It's the last obstacle to the new world order faith they're cultivating.
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 that's the stupidest take on here.
It's being limited because the magisterium are modernists who don't like the original Christian faith that was given to us by Christ through the apostles. They are trying to change the Catholic church to something that is more concerned about the material needs of people than their eternal salvation. If you don't believe me just pay attention to the prayers given during mass. It will be all about relieving material or emotional suffering of people but not one prayer will be said for the conversion and salvation of souls.
Mine won’t go away because I have an international seminary here in Lincoln Nebraska
Our TLM is full and overflow.. full of the most lovely traditional people who honor God in reverence and beauty . How very sad the Shepherd seeks to destroy this beautiful rite .
I'm still trying to find ONE GOOD THING that came out of Vatican II.
Salza was also a practicing Free Mason at one time, but by the grace of God he repented of that evil.
A lot of people will go Byzantine I imagine
Answer: just go to the SSPX. It's that simple.
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism
SSPX is schismatic and are financed by the Rothschilds
Bravo!
I have no idea whats going on.
Why would anyone care what the Roman hierarchy has to say. They have made themselves entirely irrelevant.
well, we have FSSP and ICK, IGS and etc also
Thanks for the SSPX
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
SSPX is in schism
I wish you would reach out to Dr Robert Sungenis on this issue & interview him. Both of you have seem to be extremely fair. He’s extremely versed on multiple areas.
Gods our master NOT the Pope !
No! The pope has already gave the green light of the TLM
Why cant they open up more sspx? Not hard to do!
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
Unfortunately you don't understand that the sspx is not outside the Church and never has been. They have never rejected any dogmas or doctrines of the faith that are infallible. This comment has a lack of understanding of the SSPXs position. I would suggest you research it a bit more and also educate yourself on the three level of the magisterium.
@@minorityvoice9253 I did... Not saint will agree with SSPX... But I pray we all again unite with Rome... There is only one body of Christ and even they are wrong we most suffer and be with Jesus at his church.
With 16 Priests mandatory, worldwide, the number of SSPX priests is only level with retirements. Areas without SSPX won’t be ‘getting an SSPX Priest’ anytime soon.
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
I do not agree that it is banned, Jesus said that those who are not against us ,are with us. The church is one , formed of different poeple of different Languages.
It is best not to create difficulties
The answer is become Orthodox, actually become Orthodox ANYWAY! Best thing I ever did.
The orthodox are in schism. A majority of bishops retroactively revoked their signatures on the Council of Florence after it had concluded. In the 13th century in response to the natural development of the Filioque doctrine, they innovated the concept of eternal manifestation which is not present in scripture or the church fathers.
You would have to reject the biblical evident filioque and accept divorce and contraception. I'm not a Sedevacantist but the Dimond Bros have plenty of good videos debunking the Orthodox position worth looking into.
@@TruLuan brainwashed, the Filioque destroys the trinity. the Pope rejected the Filioque in the 8th ecumenical council, the pope even put up huge silver plaques of the Nicene creed WITHOUT Filioque, How does that work with an infallible pope? The Vatican admits the papacy of the first millennia did not have universal jurisdiction or papal supremacy,
I encourage you to come home, maybe try western rite orthodoxy if there's a parish near you.
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
And become a schismatic? No thanks! To accept contraception, divorce and re-marriage, and reject central dogmas of the faith? Also no thanks. Repent of your sin of schism.
Man, you’re soo good at defending the SSPX 👍🏼
SSPX is in schism and financed by the. Rothschilds
If the pope reaffirmed the ick and fssp why would one constantly suggest sspx? Just sounds like you don’t like submitting to authority
Is the _novus ordo_ valid?
Good question. The words of consecration are valid but it’s “messy.” However, if a priest will give communion to divorced but civilly remarried Catholics, then the intent is in question and the Sacrament of the Eucharist is not valid. People need to be in a state of grace (meaning going for confession to confess sins and receive absolution) before receiving the Sacrament of Holy Communion.
I’m seeing that problem in my area. St soberts does the novus ordo without communion prior to and don’t get me started. The FSSP does a Latin mass and has a choir. It’s a blessing but I’ve seen strange things there too. The goal is also to remove consecrated grounds and make them un consecrated. Watch for that next.
Yes, it is the standard form of celebrating the mass in the Latin rite.
Probably not.
No worries I'll still have the Ambrosian rite.
I drive 90 miles away for the TLM on Saturdays. I can’t seem to find the SSPX close enough but if I can’t go to the ICK then I will drive the 2 and a half hours on Sunday to attend with the SSPX instead.
The more they restrict the TLM, the more I will search.
I have been spending time in this topic... I attended TLM in Virginia in a diaocisis and I have been talking the the most holy families with many children and even many nuns and priest coming from this families who attended also TLM and the pastor we had just got transferred and he told also the same.... They and I do too... Anyone who leave Rome and stop been in union with body of Christ is wrong... The church is not doing good clearly but the saints painted us the path to follow and specially Padre Pio... The church is our mother and even sometimes strikes us... Still our mother! There is not salvation out of Christ out his body... We most pray harder for the Pope and every single Catholic... But SSPX is not an option... Sadly the intention was ok, but they passed the line and broke obedience... We most pray for the soul of arsobishop Lafre....Jesus ask us to suffer with his church even in bad times! What a great time to be a saint is coming... But only inside the church.
@@balletistanica04 You do realize that the SSPX are in Communion with Rome. They have an ill-regular status. This is not uncommon. In the history of the church this was much more common.
Rome has been taking over power that doesn’t belong to it from the Bishops. What it is doing now is not in line with how Rome is supposed to function via Tradition. The Bishops are princes of the Church and have authority to govern their own diocese. It’s not the Pope’s job to police and order them around. Peter is supposed to settle disputes about the faith and confirm his brothers in it. Today he is doing the opposite.
What the good Bishop did in consecrating Bishops against the expressed will of Rome was done by at least two other Bishops in modern times yet it was okay for them because they were on the “right” side. Archbishop Lefebvre will be a Saint someday.
Rome needs put back into its place. Catholics have become the ultramotanist caricature that the orthodox paint us as. We need order restored and it won’t happen if we who are inside the Church don’t resist and push back.
I don't know what I'll do. I might switch to a Byzantine Rite parish. I won't go back to the slightly more serious Protestant Novus Ordo Mass.
05:45, “The pope is the head of the Church”. Oh nooo, pppleeease! Not this heresy again! The head of the Church is Christ: it’s something that you learn in elementary catechism. The pope is just the vicar of Christ, his deputy. He is not Christ, he is not the supreme head. The Church is the mystical body of Christ, not the mystical body of the pope.
I can only imagine the Apostles up in heaven shaking their heads over this. Seriously, give everything to Christ, that includes the mass.
I love it too, but I am obedient to the church not to my tastes.
I didn't know the apostles spoke Latin!
First let me say I appreciate and agree with this channel. But I will not be driving, like some do, for 2 to 3 hours, one way, to attend a Latin mass. The NOM is valid. There is nothing magical about Latin. It was the lingua franca in the past. English is now our lingua franca. I think what people are repulsed by are the weird novelties that some ultra liberal clerics seem to embrace. People also look at the church and the world in general, and pine for a simpler, more stable and moral world. Fortunately our diocesan parish is more conservative. It offers communiion on the tongue and under both species by intinction. The priest faces the altar and not the people. Others may disagree, but one of the best things the church did was to allow the mass to be said in the vernacular. After all, the first masses were. But if you enjoy the mass in Latin, that is fine. I enjoy it occassionally too. However, this does bring up the question of obedience. Without that, we are not the Catholic Church. I don't know how this will all play out in the future. Pray for the church and the clergy, especially the pope and the bishops.
If the mass was the only problem this wouldn’t be so difficult. The Vatican 2 is teaching a new religion
That’s schismatic
@@figurefour633
Calling out that the Vatican 2 teaches doctrines already condemned by the Catholic Church is schismatic? I’ll think I’ll follow our lord rather than people that follow the pachamama. It’s so obvious this is a new religion
@@BrianBenson-rc9mu it is true, that the TLM followers reject Vatican II. You are no longer in communion with the Pope. You don’t see how you have gone astray? You must repent!
You need to repent.
I guess I will go to the sspx
There is freedom of religion in most developed countries. The “pope” banning anything doesn’t mean a thing.
there is NOTHING morally wrong with the proper worship of the missal of '69. there is nothing wrong with using the missal of '62. going into schism with the Catholic Church because of preference is very disheartening to me. if you have to play mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that the post-consiliatory Church is "in schism" with those who prefer the missal of '62 you're listening to demons. this is how the devil works to undermine the true faith. can you be hurt and upset with the loss of diocesan Latin mass? of course. does that mean the Novus Ordo is heretical? no. why? the laity does not have that authority. neither does a single or a dozen bishops, archbishop, or cardinals. submit to Rome and pray for the missal's return. and if it doesn't. accept the teachings of the church.
If your faith depends on a show then you aren’t Catholic. Church is not about you it is about God.
You go to a novus ordo or hell period
I bet you think all religions are equal and there isn't a hell either.
@@nl396 huh? I was saying if you go to a sspx mass it is not valid so it's novus or hell.
You simply go to normal mass. Full stop.
the "normal Mass" is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! The n o is only some 60 years old. Its the aberration. You need to start attending " the normal Mass".
Another site engaging in bearing false witness and gossip
The SSPX near us are so strict and don't allow children to make noise in Mass. I know someone who was asked to leave because her autistic son was making some noise, nothing too loud according to her. We have very loud children who don't sit still in Mass. We just couldn't bring them. It would be way too stressful and I'm pretty sure we would be judged and asked to leave, also. I'm feeling really torn at the moment. We go to an Oratory Latin Mass at the moment but its 50 mins away and is getting too expensive in petrol to travel to. Not only that but its most likely going to be banned soon. Its making me want to just give up at this point. I'm feeling stuck. I can't go to Norvus Ordo, I can't do SSPX and our Latin Mass will be cancelled soon plus its too far. I can't express how dejected I feel at the moment. I almost want to throw my hands up in the air and give up on Mass attendance all together.
i think your full of crap
Latin NO, is amazing actually, but banning latin mass is stupid, we need latin reverend novus ordo, and TLM, we need only some litle charismatic churches for introduction of the faith, at most
I go to a Latin NO and I love it. I attended a LM and honestly, I like the Latin NO better. I think the church needs to push back against liturgical abuses in the NO and the Bishops need to do a better job keeping their territories in check for going too modern. The Latin NO needs to be pushed.
@@TruLuan yeah ultra reverend NO, is done by fanatics for God, just like TLM, if every mass in the latin rite was like those both, i would have never asked for something else
The latin mass is not banned. Ask the priest to perform the mass of paul vi in latin, as it should be. This was the original intent of the second Vatican Council. As the supreme legislator of the church, the pope can suppress any rite or modify them.
You are avoiding reality. The phrase "the Latin Mass" means the Mass of Pius V. No one calls the Mass of Paul VI "the Latin Mass."
@@polemeros you can call it the mass of pius v. but that doesn’t detract from what i said, the popes can suppress and modify or suspend elements or entire rites unilaterally, as they have done several times in the 2,000 years of the history of the church. The motivation of suspending the mass of pius v is because it is being used to divide the church and provoke or promote disobedience to the magisterium properly exercised by the roman pontiff.
@@polemeros nevertheless, the normal or usual rite of the roman church has been promulgated to be the mass of paul vi. and all variations to other languages must conform to the latin rubrics.
this is the difference. the mass of pius v is not promulgated to be translated into any other languages. it can only be said in latin, with some extensions in greek. whereas, the mass of paul vi was specifically designed to be translated into any language, subject to the consent of rome.
the mass, in all its rites belong properly to God, and by extension to His Church. the power of binding or loosing properly belongs to the supreme pontiff, or to anyone he delegates authority, usually the conference of bishops or eastern synods, under the approval of the roman congregations.
so no, it is wrong to say that a latin mass cannot be said in latin. latin is the source. even the ambrosian rite and mozarabian rites have been reformed.
an attachment to a rite that properly belongs to the roman church must not be made into a symbol or act of disobedience or disloyalty to the source of visible unity in the church, the roman pontiff.
SSPX is in schism. St. Ignatius, “anyone who follows a man who makes a schism in the Church, he cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.” Philadelphians 3-4
SSPX is in schism. St. Ignatius, “anyone who follows a man who makes a schism in the Church, he cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.” Philadelphians 3-4
buzz off
Do it at home. I'll be the priestess.
I have gone to mass my entire life. If Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, then I am blessed to attend. I’m not attached to a language or lace.
1:04 that’s because the SSPX has been in schism materially since 1975 and formally since 1988.
You still get it wrong. Read Kennedy Hall’s book on the SSPX. You might learn something.
Um......not true.
Dang my bother in Christ if you are willing to break communion with Rome over the form of the mass promulgated by the holy father and accepted by the magisterium, I dont know if you really have faith in God and His Church or in the Tridentine form of one of the many rites of the church. Thats really cringe
I pray for Vigano at Mass. Not Francis any more.
Than you have apostized from Christ.
@@michaelspeyrer1264 I pray for Vigano because I think he can be salvaged. I have NO hope for Francis. Praying for him is a waste of time.
@@michaelblair5566you need to pray for your own soul. Because you are in schism with the Catholic Church!!
If the Pope, or the local bishop, were to ban the 1962 Mass, such a command should - all things being equal - be obeyed. One's rightful superiors should never be disobeyed, unless they command something forbidden by the law of God. So the Pope should be obeyed if he changes the Rite of Mass; but must be disobeyed, if he commands an act of apostasy. Catholics should be readier to obey legitimate commands of their legitimate superiors, than to find reasons not to obey; for generosity of heart and will in obeying the legitimate commands of others is a virtue. Obedience to the authority of our bishops & of the Pope is not something that lovers of the 1962 Mass talk about very much; which is odd, to say the least. If Christ "learned obedience", as Hebrews 5.7 says He did, then His would-be followers cannot behave any differently. Catholics have no right to find fault with Luther for shrugging off Papal authority, if they themselves shrug off that very same authority.
If you're willing to leave the Church over your preferences in liturgy then you have made the liturgy about you instead of God. The liturgy is for God, not you. It being less than ideal, which it always will be when performed and attended by imperfect people, is not a valid excuse for dissenting against the hierarchy and leaving the Church. That kind of attitude is no better than the boomers who leave for protestantism because they liked their rock shows more than mass. It's less cringe in style, but it's equally damnable behavior.
Actually obey the Roman Pontiff no matter. Read Pastor Aeternus 3. Nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo
Your just an obsessed propaganda master making a quick buck out of youtube.
I don't understand this channel's psychotic obsession with the SSPX. I'm a discerning Catholic and have been going to an FSSP Latin Mass, and it's beautiful. SSPX'ers need to chill out.
The fssp only have it because of the sspx, from which they broke away. They were promised bishops but never got them. The sspx does have bishops.
I try to keep it at a minimum. But when it's relevant. And the tlm ban seems to be around the corner
@@imisschristendom5293 - I don't understand why this channel doesn't talk about the SSPX more!
The FSSP ONLY exists because the SSPX does, that's WHY the FSSP was formed. On the day the SSPX dissolves itself is the day that the FSSP will be squashed by the Vatican as well as the ICKSP.
No SSPX = No FSSP.
Only a matter of time before everyone here is on the Vigano boat.
:47 the SSPX is NOT IN COMMUNION WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH .
Sacraments need to be offered validly AND licitly for you to fulfill your Sunday obligation unless you have no reasonable way to do so.
If they are in schism then if makes NO sense that Pope Francis has validated the sacraments of Penance and Matrimony performed by their priests.
Alright yall have fun jumping ship on to your own sinking lefebvre ship... Or whats ever sect that hates pope Francis.
Also if you guys knew Spanish, Francis is super awesome but yall Americans be going crazy for no reason lol
I know Spanish very well and in Spanish he is just as much a source of confusion and division.
@@polemeros then you must not understand his figurative language in Spanish or what street talk is like
They are also very racist. It is a hallmark of radical traditionalists.
@@sniperpronerfmods9811 then give me an example of something what he said in Spanish, which is likely to be misunderstood by those who do not have inside knowledge.
@@BlandBanana ooooooohhhhhhh. Ray cists. Do you know that so-called racism was absolutely unknown to the entire Christian edition as some kind of sin until the last 70 years? It is a moral issue that comes entirely from secular sources and yet people like you somehow think it is a huge moral issue at the heart of Catholicism. It is just another secular fantasy, like the divine right of kings.
The Lefebvrian priests do not have the faculties to say public Mass and therefore every Mass they celebrate is an act of disobedience. It is not a Mass that I would want to attend.
then don't attend , you will not be missed .
They should - as a mockery of religion. Unless the congregation is fluent in Latin. In penance for the centuries the Catholic Church spent making unintelligible noises in the House of God ... & using them to bestow divine authority on their unspeakable deeds.
You are a Protestant, no? All the eastern churches use an ancient sacred language in their rites
@@polemeros No - I am Muslim ... as anyone could tell from the name. I have seen the evil that comes from preaching in Arabic - when none of the congregation understand it. And I know that disempowerment is the objective of all corrupt clerics.
@@polemeros No. I am Muslim as you can tell from my name. But I have seen the same corruption in Muslim clerics who insist on preaching in Arabic to congregations who do not speak a word of it.
The object is the same - How can anyone argue with you, when they cannot understand a word you say? The motive is the same - To obtain unintelligible divine sanction for doing the unspeakable. There is a reason that the French insisted on Imams fluent in French - it is a shame they don't insist on congregations fluent in Latin. One law for us - another for them.
It is ALAWYS dangerous to insist on blind & literal faith in the unintelligible. Who sets their satnav to Latin?
@@imankhandaker6103 Well, that alters things. You are an outsider to this discussion. However, despite the fact that the vast majority of Muslims do not speak Arabic, Islam requires that the Quran be read in 7th century Arabic and the salat prayers are all to be done in that language. Your religion, like virtually all religions, retains an ancient sacred language for worship. Preaching is another matter and Christian preachers have always used the local language for that.
@@polemeros The most critical thing in Islam is to compel preacher to speak in a language understood by the congregation. Ironically it is one of the few things that the racist French gonvernment have got right.
The Catholic Church, like imams, preach in a language their listeners do not understand - so they can distort Gods will into fitting their own words.