Ariel Helwani claims Ronda Rousey is the most overrated MMA Fighter in UFC history…
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- Chael Sonnen talks Ariel Helwani claiming Ronda Rousey is the most overrated MMA Fighter in UFC history on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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Ain’t that obvious though? People were saying she could beat Floyd and Joe Rogan said she could beat most men in 135lbs ufc division. That’s the definition of overrated.
🎯💯👏EXACTLY
Over hyped maybe but not overrated! Mcnugget was and is both
She said she could beat Cain and Ali's daughter 🤣🤣🤣
It means that she reached that level. haha you lose
No serious person thought she could beat Floyd and Rogan *sometimes* goes overboard with his comments.
If you're speaking purely on fighting capabilities, yes she is, if we are talking on her impact on the sport? She is underrated, without Ronda there wouldn't be woman mma in the UFC, her popularity was absolutely insane, just compare her to Nunes, Nunes is a vastly superior fighter and doesn't sell/appeal 10% of what Ronda was
The ufc tried to bring in Gina Carano long before Ronda. She just turned them down. Later on they tried to bring her back to fight ronda.
I agree 👍👍👍👍 plus being a blonde with a pretty face also swings in her favour.
Lol, to say that Ronda is underrated in anything is assanine.
preach it brother, people don't appreciate Ronda enough
What impact did she have? Bringing more annoying casuals to the sport
Ronda was not overrated. She completely dominated everybody she ever fought until she lost twice. And if she would've kept relying on her grappling and just implemented striking where she could she might've kept going. Her idiot coach and Joe Rogan made her think that she was suddenly a world class striker, until she met 2 actual world class strikers.
Yeah blame everyone besides her. SIMP SPOTTED
No she was fighting bums, then real fighters started coming in and she got destroyed.
Yeah those losses aged well because both of those girls proved they are world class themselves while at the time they were looked at as unskilled fighters.
She was incredibly overrated because her first fight was for teh vacant and new UFC women's 135 belt and they literally only signed people who they knew she would be able to beat and that's why she was so dominant. When she actually had to fight legit top fighters she didn't just get exposed, she got badly exposed! And that's the issue with pushing these fighters and giving them favourable match ups because the people who don't get that will always be better!
She also ducked and has protected from what would of been the biggest fights ever because she and the UFC knew she would lose. It was a marketing push! She wasn't one of the best fighters, not even close and that was proven!
@@RemyKingKen Did her wins age well?? She got dominated by legit people but did she beat any legit people who went on to have careers like them too? Not even close! Closest would be Miesha Tate and she nearly lost that fight too.
She wasn't overrated. Just hilariously overhyped. The people in the media saying she could beat Floyd in a boxing match have to live with that embarrassment forever now. 😂😂😂
No one was saying she would beat Floyd in boxing. People were saying she could beat him in a real fight.
Ronda Rousey? Yeah he could've beat Floyd
@@nathanclearyschin7100 She still can beat him in street fight that shit didn't change!
That's literally the same thing. You are contradicting yourself. She's a pioneer of women's mma. She was a one trick pony. The Gracie of the woman division.
Overhyped is the same as overrated 😭🤣😂
Saying Rhonda could beat Floyd Mayweather is a street fight is just laughable. Couldn’t last a full 60 seconds with Nunes but your beating Floyd with no gloves on??? Ok
Tbh Nunes can probably beat mayweather in a street fight too
@@harrisr1018 stop it.
Floyd would 1 punch ko every single female mma fighter in a street fight. Granted, he'd break his hand but the result would still be the same.
@@jimlee7275 You don't think Amanda couldn't take him down and submit him?? Granted she not beating him with her punches but I don't see Floyd stopping her grappling.
@@charlest5604 a street fight isn't just punches.
Chael:"so Ariel met O.J. Simpson."
Me:"wait, what? Where the hell is this story going?"
Perhaps her being touted as a once in an "ever" fighter and someone who can beat floyd had a lot to do with why she was such a huge star. In hindsight it's almost a good thing that people said those things about her
In terms of impact, shes a legend just like royce gracie.
But like gracie, her skills were limiting.
She was the Royce Gracie of WMMA. The girls at that time couldn't defend what she could do even though they knew it was coming. Nunes was losing to Cat Zingano during that era.
You people need to actually go back and learn about the Gracie area because you clearly have no idea how set up it all was back then!
Yes they are both overrated and it's funny you use Gracie as an example because both him and Rousey basically had the sport built around them to succeed! They was always given favourable match ups and kept away from anyone that would beat them until they can no longer do that.
Gracie's done the first UFC to advertise BJJ to the world and they wasn't going to do that with him losing. Ronda was the advertisment of woman's fighting on a mainstream scale and they wasn't going to do that by giving her tough fights. That's why she has no legit wins. Unless you count Miesha Tate who almost beat her.
Zingano had a lot of potential, injuries ruined her.
@@lukemurray4950 You act as if Ken Shamrock is some no body. And you keep saying Miesha Tate. The hell are you on about?
Oh and Dan Severn.
She wasn’t overhyped. She was a star when womens MMA was in its adolescence. When the skill level of woman’s MMA caught up her lack of stand up and technique on the feet showed and she wasn’t able to hang.
the thing is women's mma wasn't adolescent...ufc just didn't get bjj and many kickboxers in there because they were worried about women fighting and sponsors..ronda was definitely overhyped her career wouldn't have been the same had ufc made the effort to get more legit competitors in the organization.
The problem was Rogan and idiots saying she could beat up Mayweather
@@packerpf watch rose v Esparza and tell me wmma isn’t still in its infancy
@@tomjones2056 It's not, It was a champion not putting herself at risk of instantly losing and a challenger giving too much respect and not trying hard enough to win it. Same thing is said about a lot of Tyron Woodley's fights. And a couple of Yoel Romero, etc. The skill level of women's MMA has grown significantly in the last decade.
@@tomjones2056 😂
Amanda wasn’t ranked bc she was like 4-4 before she went on her run at 135. Can’t wait to see her rematch
I absolutely agree with him. She was good for a minute. Dana used her to build the brand. But when real fighters got in there, she quit and went to be a fake fighter.
Her biggest problem was her coach. Convinced her she was a striker when she should have stuck to her world class grappling. She still has a better ground game than most of the current female roster
She retired and went on to make millions of dollars and not get her face bashed in , also started a family.
If Ronda Rousey stayed in her area of expertise she would have beat them all and maybe never lost a fight... However, she was convinced by her idiot trainer to become a world class boxer and got lit up!..
This is a very interesting point, everyone was talking about how MMA was evolving and 1 style coundnt compete no more yet Ronda was doing just fine. Very interesting to think about if she would have stayed with the style that she was a master at.
Amanda nunes destroys Rhonda ten time outta ten. Cyborg would of ruined her too. Holly holm defended against rhondas takedowns quite easy and easy picked her up and dropped her down. Rhonda was a good but not elite.
Anyone know when Ariel said this or what video it's on?
@@Mikehowarth1988 that does not hold water. She whooped Tate twice and Tate beat Holm. She destroyed people who beat Nunes (Zingano). So what your saying doesn't add upp. The bottom line is she did not evolve. She was winning by herself and her coach was a charlatan. Meanwhile everyone else gunning for her was training in legit mma gyms. That's the facts jack
EXACTLY. a good coach would have told her to not engage striking with nunes and just grapple her. Her idiot coach convinced her that she could box with world class strikers
You guys saying mcgreggor is overrated clearly didnt watch his UFC run. Dude was knocking out people and telling the media when and how he was going to do it. Conor is special. 🤷🏻 im not a huge fan of the guy and i can say that. Casuals might say otherwise 👀
conor gives me raging эрекция
I'm not a casualnand your wrong, he had a decent run but after awhile he began holding the belt for years and dana never stripped his belt. Since you seem like the casual fan I gotta remind you that's what began his downfall, I remember years ago my friends who watch mma would go off for like 30mins about how dana is letting conor hold the belt, and on top of that he hasn't won in over 5 years, he isn't ever gonna win again he's not good and can't stay active.
Argument Conor is the featherweight GOAT
Yeah Conman had to turn himself into a skeleton to ko smaller guys
I love how you poisoned the well at the end.
Carlos Newton won the ufc welterweight belt in 2001 and was a Canadian judoka
He said he was ninjutsu fighter
Ronda and that weight class sort of felt like the early days of the UFC playing out again but in fast forward.
I 1000% AGREE. She was ok against shitty people then got exposed when she started fighting Real talent with Real skill.
Must be a casual to call a pro fighter in the UFC shitty is just flat ignorant...you are a pro at nothing in life respect the fighters more
Not true. Ronda dominated the women’s division with her Judo, but the sport was catching up. When Ronda tried to transition to a striker, she ran into a major problem…..Holly Holm. That loss effectively ended Ronda’s career and she never recovered. Yeah, she fought Nunes, but she was done given the heavy mental toll from the Holm loss. Ronda Rousey MMA died once Holly hit her with that head kick.
I simply cannot believe there are so many that are dissing out a legend like Ronda Rousey.. I mean she lost her last two fights, but just look at her resume and start power.
She's even an Olympic bronze medalist. (Unrelated)
Rousey...horrible winner, horrible loser, horrible person and definitely horribly over rated for basically a one trick pony who was lucky enough to arrive early enough in the sport before anyone could really test her. Media and hype machines like Rogan made a mountain out of the mole on her face. Nuff said.
👍 I would love to know where that cry baby ranks meisha than? Ronda destroyed her not once but twice.
I thought the floyd statement was silly then. Its still silly
Little judo kid who became an Olympian, medaled, switched sports, lived out of her car while she trained, built up female MMA to the point its at today, became a dominant champion, became a movie star, went on to be in WWE. That's a pretty solid career man. If that is overrated, then we all suck.
As for Ariel, you couldn't pay me to listen to that guy. Dana booting him is one of the best things to happen to the sport. There's still quacks who want to go in and antagonize fighters with loaded questions, but they've done a better job of keeping them out.
Exactly well said!! she may not be everybody's cuppa-Tea....but she was a pioneer for the womens sport.
She's an overrated fighter.. her judo was superior in a pool of crap women fighters... she had balls to do MMA I'll give her that.. she didn't change the face of the earth tho 😆 womens MMA would've happened with her or without her
Being in a movie does not make you a movie star.
well said
gina carano did way more for womens mma than rousey
She's probably the biggest quitter in ufc when she really got tested . She just gave up
📠💯✅
She got knocked out cold 2times
@@nicholasfrank4353 if she would have changed coaches/ made proper adjustments to the holes in her game, she could have possibly came back and won her belt back or at least gone back on a winning streak and could have had a solid legacy but now everyone is debating if she's overrated because she kinda was. If she didn't quit she would have a completely different legacy imo. But everything happends for a reason and in the end she made lots of money and is know all around the world.
She prioritised family and not having brain damage over getting cte for money. Admirable
@@meruemo776 ya don't twist it..she got scared of the up and coming division and knew she wasn't as good..
Look.
Rhonda was an mma champion, and she did it as a Judo player.
That's it.
Not wrestling, not boxing, not kickboxing, & not any combination of the sort.
Just Judo.
Which makes her the greatest female Judo player of all time.
Period!!
She did get one nice KO though. I remember she got it within like 30 seconds, it was prolly one of those things that hurt her a little bit tbh.
She ain't playin' maing!!
She’s not the greatest of anything
@@spenser6353 Ronda Rousey is literally the most successful Woman to do MMA, smh.. Casuals.
@@aShamelessHigh not in the ring. That would be Amanda. What are you talking about?
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I lost a little respect forJoe Rogan when he said Ronda could beat half the male division of her weight class .
If Rousey actually got a legit trainer in a legit mma gym, it would of been a different story. She didn't evolve while those around her did. Her coach was a charlatan. And all the talk about she avoided the big hitters is horseshit. She beat Tate twice, Holm lost to Tate. She destroyed bethe Corriea in 36 seconds whereas Holm struggled for 3 rounds until she got the ko. She beat Zingano in 14 seconds, nunes lost to Zingano. Her ciach wanted let his ego of thinking he was Cus D'amato to show everyone how great he was get in the way. And in teens of her impact. Huge. Exciting fights, drama and she turn the world non mma media around. Not to mention women mma wouldn't of been anywhere near the ufc now. Helwani still can't stop talking about her because she wouldn't talk to him. His a little bitch but that's off topic
Change gyms. That's all she needed to do. She couldn't do it. Loyalty to certain people would not allow her to.
no one said she was weak she was just just extremely overhyped. LOL beating mayweather they said hahahahahahah
@@AGARVRAWAT if she managed to grab hold of him, she would most probably submit him. Even she said she wouldn't stand a chance with hands. That's why she joked she would have to crawl along the floor on hands and knees like that monkey dude from bloodsport! Lol
Rhonda’s ability to take her opponent’s to the floor and submit them with a lightning fast arm bar gives her legend status. Her opponents knew what she was going to do and could not stop her.
Holly knew what Ronda was gonna do and knock her out
@@patrickgrant6389 Actually this is not true
@@WaltPowellEnt so they just acted it out for the cameras or was the fight video photoshopped now? 😂😂
Yeah, she was good when she was fighting soccer mom's that trained MMA on the weekends. Once all the legit female fighters from boxing, kickboxing, etc came to MMA and everyone MMA became more.evolved, Rhonda was fighting soccer mom's and real fighters, she got destroyed. Rhonda wouldn't even be in the top 10 today if she were fighting. She was a one trick pony that never evolved her game. It's like royce Gracie, he was good in the beginning when everyone was a one trick pony at their own game. Once fighters became more balanced and well rounded, he was picked apart and looked like an amateur.
@@randlemarsh both mentioned paved the way for mixed martial arts. Grappling is making a come back though and has evolved quite a bit from the Gracie days. I think Rhonda could still whip some ass in the women’s division in the UCC. She needs to get with a better camp to set up her Judo against high level striking.
Thank you for having a well thought point of view. Good job Chael!
As a fighter? YES
As an MMA personality? NO
Ronda made the UFC MILLIONS! There’s a reason why Mcgregor was standing behind her on the cover of the UFC 2 game. Ronda and Jones carried the UFC on their backs for YEARS! There was a point where Ronda was the most popular fighter on the UFC roster which is insane considering it’s a male dominated sport. She brought a lot of new eyes to the sport, let’s not forget that .
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People just using hate to cover up the true accomplishments she has contributed to the UFC mainly and women’s MMA, now I personally wasn’t the biggest Ronda fan back when her and Tate was battling in Strikeforce. But to be a d*ck and say she’s overrated is a crime. Especially since that division was SMACK brand new and of course the talent wasn’t the greatest. Just like when the UFC first started. If you say you are a true MMA fan/historian you MUST give Ronda hell that whole women’s division back in 12’-15’ credit for holding something that wasn’t certain up for years.
No one questions her popularity but rather her fighting ability.
@@mr.creamy7778 This
People love to through red herrings. Overrated fighter. Has nothing to do with how many viewers she brought that's the business aspect. Now back to the actual talent. Come on most of those wins came over chicks she was way bigger than on actual fight night. The bitch was a bumb. Now she's stinking up the WWE well that's not really hard bc WWE ain't been shit since like 05.
Rhonda was levels above everyone when she came in. Therefore her talent back at that time was hyped up correctly & she was not overrated. Now as the women’s division continued to move along, and progress she ended up thinking she was some type of boxing specialist who was far to stubborn to realize she needed to continue grappling. She started to strike with legit boxers like an idiot, and got picked apart.
I liked Ronda but if she was levels above all she would've checked that leg kick n punches from holly n nuñez but Ronda sure flipped girls left n right but to fight nuñez n holly she should've went for the take downs
@Kimisu n wat u call the ones Ronda beat against the ones who beat Ronda oh mediocre so that answers ur own question n opinion of Rousey
@Kimisu she is mediocre then right
@Kimisu Cat Zingano was coming off wins over Miesha and Nunes when Rousey beat her, Rousey early in her career had also beaten future Bellator champ Julia Budd who would then go undefeated for 9 years before being stopped by Cyborg in 2020, Kaufman was also pretty formidable having beaten Tate and losing a close split decision to the 2nd female GOAT in Valentina, Rousey's resume is pretty legit which is actually pretty amazing considering how 1 dimensional she was as a fighter.
Karo Parisyan was a olympic level judo practioner as well as a UFC championship caliber challenger slated to fight Matt Hughes until a pre figh injury canceled the fight.
You can say the same thing about any successful fighter who specializes solely in judo and can get past her deficiencies in other MMA skills. There is actually a lot of people that can be fit into that bracket so I don't think it's fair to focus only on Rhonda because Chael is right. The one thing Rhonda did that no one else in this bracket can say they achieved in captivating so many people. Motivating Dana white to start women's UFC division. She got in movies, she drew people in. Regardless of the specialist skill set.. so props to that.
I also feel if she had a better team/coach to focus on her strengths judo/bjj instead of striking with strikers she could have still been a threat
Joe Rogan CRIED talking about Ronda being this Mike Tyson, once in a lifetime, character lol 😂 YES CHAEL, she was extremely overrated!!
It was pretty silly saying she could beat Floyd Mayweather lol. Does anyone think today that Amanda or Pena would beat him in any type of fight? I certainly hope not.
To be fair. Cat Zingano beat Amanda Nunes to get the Ronda fight. Then Ronda beat Cat in 14 seconds. They knew enough about Amanda to put her in a potential number 1 contender match & at the time lost.
I'm not a UFC fan, but I used to be into Judo when I was younger and I remembered hearing how Rhonda was the only successful Judo fighter in UFC history which immediately seemed odd. I also heard about her lack of striking ability and the argument about it being a new division so they didn't know who was good yet, which is why I didn't understand how Rogan couldn't see that she was overrated.
I rarely do but I agree with Ariel on this one. I called it when Ronda was gonna lose/get exposed (via a real sticker with takedown defense) and called the round and by knockout. Even her ground game revolved around headlock and arm bar....nothing else, add that to zero striking and yeah, she was doomed to fail only in the most spectacular way possible.
I don’t want her career, she went around crying into a pillow….it was weird and her attitude in general was weak.
Was she overratted compared to the women she fought at the time? NO! she got beat by nunes and Holly Holm, two of the best female fighters of all time. If she had a real striking coach from the beginning she'd still be fighting. Her ground game is still better than most of the women currently fighting! Don't blame Ronda for the ufc claiming she could beat men.
Rhonda claimed she could beat Cain valesquez and Ali's daughter 🤣🤣🤣
She made some claims to that effect as well, then Tank called her out and she didn't want any part of that shit.
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I was very underwhelmed with Ronda. She struck me as a one trick pony. That one trick was great, but I always thought…Jesus Christ why don’t those ladies stop that telegraphed throw by dropping their hios or just hit her with a low single. When she fought sara mcmann I remember being surprised at the outcome, but she threw that knee and it connected well enough to get it done. Eventually someone figured it out, but used standup to do it. Ronda was basically good enough to pull off a ruse that she was this dominant champion of champions.
exacty, just a ruse
Ruse? Lol! Those 13 straight wins happened. Those 8 straight ufc championship wins happened. Nate Diaz with a .500 record acting like a top fighter is a ruse. Ronda was legit.
Khabib was also a "one trick pony". You guys always diss Rousey by saying she was the best "until the others caught up". If Conor had an answer for khabib when the fought and stayed off the feet I bet you'd be saying the same about khabib being a one trick pony and not to be added in the goat convo.
The sport evolves, the competition got tough but you still respect the Randy's instead of saying "he wouldn't survive the current roster". Why can't that be the same about Rousey?
@@thomasjamison8460 exactly, she had 7 title defense (the same as Nunes atm), 6 were first round finishes. You can say her opponents werent great but they were the best at the time. Its cool to talk shit about her because she was one dimensional and the video of her training, but she was dominant for a few years with that single dimension. Many of the pioneers of MMA were one dimensional (Shamrock, Gracie, Lesnar, etc.) and no one ever says their overrated. Rousey is a pioneer in womens MMA. She isn't overrated. People blast her so much shes underrated now.
I don't even understand whats wrong with the idea of being a master in a discipline and ao good that people know what's cing and still can't stop it. You call that one trick pony? Okay. Royce Gracie, ine trick pony. Francis Ngannou, one trick pony. Chuck Lisdell, one trick pony. Brick Lesnar, one trick pony.
I agree with him. Ronda was and is overrated. Glad shes gone
She beat cat zingano who beat amanda nunes 😂😂😂.
Her coach messed her up to concentrate on striking that made her down fall.
Miesha tate twice...
It's always a Ho.
@@Jagan-lp8gu no one considers Miesha tate any one worthy of note lol you fanboys are hilarious..cat zingano was the only up and comer worthy of note and amanda nunez was in her rookie years when cat beat her.
@@packerpf 😂😂😂miesha beat holly holm who was previously beaten ronda..
Yh lol glad she's gone
The MMA hour last for about 4 hours, no one should take Ariel seriously
I like when he quotes Rogan. Rogan was also high when he said that about Rousey.
I think it was just the whole she could beat Floyd on striking that was overhyped but as a fighter I mean she was beating everyone with JUDO. She chose to stay standing with Holly and Amanda but if she wanted to take them down I still believe she easily could’ve. Miesha exposed Holly’s ground and Ronda would’ve done the same but wanted to strike.
Ronda tried to take Holly down but failed...she couldn't take Amanda down either,,,Amanda kept her distance until she started wobbling her...
Rhonda gets points for never giving us a fight and fighting defensively for the win. Say what you want she some Gene Lebel in her. She could not strike well and had a retard boxing coach who told her that her striking was world level. She went out on her shield ,what more do you want from a fighter? You can ask nothing more. The sport has evolved now she is a piece of doodoo. Fickle fans.
@@dillanversai6717 uh did you not watch the full fight? Ronda was clearly messed up by then. You think Ronda can’t take Holly down but can take down Cat and Miesha? Your kidding right 😂 and Amanda didn’t kept her distance but straight up obliterated her before Ronda could throw a proper take down. Amanda threw a fast paced fight with her and Miesha knowing that she needed to end it quit. Just like with Julianna except Julianna made it to round 2 where Amanda was tired.
Holms defended Rounda’s takedowns multiple times QUITE EASY. Lmao did y even watch the fight? She was just average, but not elite. Overhyped and overrated by the media.
@@josephynealvarez6134 you are clearly a massive Ronda Rousey fan,and r pulling for her no matter what..and r blinded from any results that don't go her way. However, the bottom line is,,,Rousey could not get those last fights to the ground,,,she tried to pressure and find those openings,,,Holm wasn't having it,,,and Amanda wasn't either...and since rousey could not get in position for her armbars,,,she got knocked out in both matches...but even if she did get the fight to the ground, it doesn't mean she would have finished it...The media over hyped Rousey....if rousey was soo good she wouldn't have quit,,,but she knew that those girls have figured her out...if she thought she could still compete, she would have stuck around and either rematched one if them or beat someone else.. There are no excuses,,,she lost both those fights by knockout. I love how passionate u r about the sport,,that's awesome!
I wouldn't say she was overrated when she was so dominant in her era. I would rather call her the best of a bad bunch.
I like the way you put that
Love the video of Rhonda shadow boxing 😂
Yes, when they did the promo on Rhonda and did no videos for nunez.... then handled easily. That was it
Ariel seems to have some weird obsession with Ronda. She's been retired from MMA for how long and he keeps bringing her up and keeps talking shit about her. No wonder she doesn't like him. How can a fighter be overrated when the only losses she has is to a former boxing champion and two time(I believe) UFC champion and to a woman who is largely considered to be the female GOAT of MMA? She didn't get beat by scrubs she got beat by fellow champions and hall of famers. And let's be honest, part of the reason she lost is because of the subpar coaching she was receiving. Ronda was Ronda largely because of her Judo. If Ronda had a better coach who knows if she would've ever loss. But Ronda is loyal and stuck with him even when she probably should've moved on. Ronda is a legend and pioneer, definitely not overrated.
Would love to know where the cry baby ranks meisha than? Ronda destroyed her not once but twice.
He's trying to get her attention because he's in love with her or some dumb shit like that. He knows she would never talk to him for any reason so this is the only way he can get her attention would be my guess? Kind of like when you're in third grade and you like a girl so you punch her in the shoulder kind of thing lol
Also I want to add, at the time I think all these people were hyping her up UFC fighters in general, men and women we're not anywhere near as good as they are now. I think at the time she probably was the best female fighter (never could have beaten Floyd Mayweather) but now she couldn't hold a candle to any of them. There's generations in MMA. And each new generation that comes out is far more technical and advanced than the previous one. There is only a very few fighters that were around prior to UFC 100 that can still hold their own with the new blood. Jon Jones is the only one that comes to mind ( steroids or not). He debuted in 2008 and I think UFC 100 was like 2009 or 2010. But if you look at that card with the exception of GSP and potentially Lesnar and Bisping everyone else would be dismantled by the lowest ranked fighter in their respective division. It just is what it is 🤷
@@marknelson4856 if Ronda trained and was serious about fighting again she 100% could hold her own right now!! You must of forgot about all female fighters she's beaten that are still fighting.
@@gilly7849 I agree to a point. The whole thing is I don't think she would ever take it seriously. she's a multi-millionaire from all the WWE, Not to mention all of the boat loads of money she made from the UFC and sponsors. I think she falls in that Conor McGregor category with training and taking things seriously. Maybe in an alternate reality where she still had the hunger, I fully agree with you.. but we don't live in that reality unfortunately.
Ronda appeared at a time that MMA needed a woman “star” to bring more eyes to the game. She had one strength but was never a complete mixed martial arts fighter. Her opponents weren’t as proficient in judo and RR easily defeated them. Eventually her deficiencies were revealed with two straight brutal KOs. She walked away because she knew the hype train came to an end. She definitely made an impact but was never the GOAT.
Your slow
Made an impact.... that's a bit of an understatement. She created the opportunity for women in the ufc and pulled the mainstream media's gaze onto the ufc adding a few billion onto the market value. The fact Helwani can't seem to keep her name out of his mouth is a testament to that.
She won her fights because she applied her strength and denied the opponents skill.
She lost her fights because opponent used their strength and denied Ronda to use her skill.
If she was smart and mixed her striking to grab her opponents she would beat everybody!
But she didn't and got destroyed.
So let me get this straight Rhonda defined 6 times. Amanda 7 but between 2 weight classes so not tested consistently like Rhonda is over rated. Please that sounds retarded. Not to mention she fought nothing but bellator and ufc champions. Don't just hear someone speak and agree without digging
@@bu11ymaguire and she didn't because she had an absolute snake oil salesman as a coach. If she had just left and joined a legit gym with an actual mma coach who knows what would have happened.
But this lady has fought her best in the sports. Check out her performances plus her acceptance and support systems from the people of the entire World in different locations at different times. This statement is not fair.
what about the part where they said on the mma hour that chael buys stories from people…would like to hear chael’s take on that 😆
Ronda is definitely not overrated. She used to finish fights in seconds. When her coach started saying she can outbox Floyd was her downfall. She developed a false confidence in her stand up game instead of sticking to her bread and butter. That’s just my personal opinion
Not a fan of Ariel, but he is totally right for a change on this one! I remember when certain commentators were saying Rousey could beat male MMA fighters and I believe it was also thrown out that she could beat Floyd Mayweather! It bring illegitimacy and a certain amount of ass hatness to the MMA on how much she was hyped!
Well the reality of it is, Rousey WOULD beat Floyd in any type of grappling match. I would bet the house on it.
I don’t remember the context in which you’re referencing. Obviously she would lose in any type of match with striking but grappling, she would sub Floyd within five minutes.
@@fightstance411 - 100%. Assuming Floyd knows no grappling i agree except it would be faster than 5 minutes, especially Anyone at the Olympic medal level. Now FM always has a solid punchers chance. But if he doesn’t knock her out on the entry then it’s probably over. People who don’t grapple just don’t understand. I’ve seen 135lb woman toy with 200lb cops on the mat.
She would destroy Mayweather in the cage
@@theticoboy 200lb cop with no rules against striking is going to fuck up almost any 135lb woman. The only reason a woman of that size wins is enforcing strictly grappling only. Lol
@@captain_malaria you might be missing my point. The point is if a 135lb non-Olympics level grappler can EASILY submit physical studs in grappling, what’s someone like Rousey gonna do to FM who has no grappling skills. Like I said if he will KO her if trading. But IF she can close the distance then he is in trouble.
Karo Parisyan was scheduled to fight Matt Hughs but was pulled for an injury…. Had Karo taken training seriously he could have been one of the all time greats.
I remember in UFC undisputed 2009 you could pick Judo as one of your base abilities but I don’t think they really brought it back in the games ever lol
So Rhonda was the first womens champ right? Well how come people are putting other guys over Royce Gracie? He was the first champion ever in the ufc, should we say he is overrated? Why do we say “goat” like Royce isn’t one?
Yes we should. He is overrated. We say goat without mentioning R Gracie because he isn't one. Ask harder questions
Let's not forget having to fight multiple dudes in a night.
Yes they are both overrated and it's funny you use Gracie as an example because both him and Rousey basically had the sport built around them to succeed! They was always given favourable match ups and kept away from anyone that would beat them until they can no longer do that.
Gracie's done the first UFC to advertise BJJ to the world and they wasn't going to do that with him losing. Ronda was the advertisment of woman's fighting on a mainstream scale and they wasn't going to do that by giving her tough fights. That's why she has no legit wins. Unless you count Miesha Tate who almost beat her.
@@lukemurray4950 oh you again, stop repeating this stuff. He beat Severn and Shamrock. He also beat dudes who were heavier and larger than him.
Bruh they literally fixed fights around Royce to do as much as possible to prevent him from losing. In fact, he almost DID lose to Kimo in that legendary fight. Kimo only didn't win because he got gassed. But Royce was tugging on his hair and doing everything short of scratching Kimo's eyes out to end that fight. Had Kimo had better cardio Royce was done. Royce also had no answer to Shamrock in their second fight after Shamrock lost the first fight to a lapel choke because Shamrock didn't know they could use the lapel as a weapon for submissions in a fight. Royce's most impressive win was against Dan "The Beast" Severn, which was the one time where it really did come down to a matter of skill, and Dan's wrestling wasn't quite adapted to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. But there's no way Royce was being Oleg Taktarov, or Mark "The Hammer" Coleman, or Don Frye.
Rhonda’s loss was way more detrimental to the UFC than people think, regardless of what you think of her as a fighter, personally I think she could’ve bounced back but she just couldn’t handle losing right, she should’ve gotten with the right coach who focused on her jujitsu more and didn’t make her think she was a female Tyson, I think she’d be doing fine and women’s MMA, but besides all that my initial comment stands the UFC was ready to go full blown main stream if she kept winning
Been around since UFC 1… Rousey had pop. People who aren’t fight fans typically, were all about it. Her last victory, i was vacationing in Miami, made sure to find a place with the fight on, so did ALOT of people, and the place was rocking when she stopped Beth Correia, one of the few fights i’ll never forget because of that energy.
At the peak of her career her competition was not really on her level. But when the real challengers came in she got smashed. I think UFC should of saw that after she lost to Holm and they threw her in with Nunes. Really stupid idea.
Lol yeah I thought she should have took a lower ranked fighter first. Then take some time off and train striking but she’s like nah
Ironic because I'd say this about Miesha Tate as for being severely overrated.
I just went back to reference her pre-UFC fights and tbh all those wins aged decently well.
Regardless of anything, she was already the Strikeforce champ. Who else would the UFC have chosen to be the champion at the time.
Her UFC career wasnt bad in the context of the time and hasnt poory aged. Her loses aged well ironically
She had a great armbar and amazing judo skills. Her striking wasn't great but she wasn't overrated as an MMA fighter. She was overhyped though when they talked about her fighting Mayweather.
Or most UFC men at 135 lbs. Looking at you Joe Rogan.
I may be alone on this but any conversation that starts with OJ Simpson I automatically start laughing in anticipation of the punchline...blame Dave Chappell 🤷
If Ronda was overrated then every single girl she beat is trash by Ariel's standard. Keep in mind, Holly lost to Miesha right after Holly beat Ronda, and Ronda whipped her 2 times. Does this mean that Holly overrated? Miesha overrated?
Yeah exactly this is what I always think and no one literally no one talks about it like it never happened. To me it looks like she just stopped improving, I can say the same about Tony he just stopped improving after a certain period.
@@manshuchatrath5313 much agreed but no lie I’m still Tony fan
@@manshuchatrath5313 much agreed but no lie I’m still Tony fan dough
@@manshuchatrath5313 much agreed but no lie I’m still Tony fan dough
@@with.the.y me too maan daymn
how can someone be overrated if everyone says they're overrated makes no sense
Yeah, 100% correct. When the division started there was a couple dozen women fighters. She was fighting this small pool for years. They were the only women with records big enough for the UFC. Than it grew to a pool of several hundred with genetically gifted athletes. The fact also is most women were defeated before they got in the cage because they thought they were fighting some demigod.
"Did you guys watch Ariel today?" No. No we fucking didn't.
Funny bc Ariel was one of the guys pumping her up too lmfao.
Halwani is the most overrated personality of all time.
Yeah no
Looks like The Octagon is a Lil bit different than the Ring when it comes to ending carrees. Most of people end them sleeping. Almost as If there's only one way out!
Karo Parisyan was judo practioner right?
Every sport changing figure would be overrated by modern standards. Gretzky couldn’t hang with McKinnon or McDavid. Jordan may be the only exception to this rule.
Despite still being in MMA’s infancy, every 12 months the sport is better than it was the year prior.
She’s a legend and generational figure. Period.
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@@saicharand7765 what do you disagree with?
• Brock Lesnar is the reason I heard about UFC & MMA in general
• Ronda is the reason I become interested to watch UFC
• Conor is the reason I become a UFC fan
• Khabib is the reason I came back to watch UFC again but never stopped watching since
Eventually a fighter will lose then you know what they are made of Rhonda just crumbled she couldn’t handle the lose
Only Chael can make a video about Ronda Rousey and start it off with a story about OJ Simpson.
I gotta agree with Ariel for once.
Nicely done Chael! This needs to be said!
she's still overrated anyways
When Ronda was champ, I sold more gym memberships to women than at any other time in the history of MMA by a factor of 20. When she lost, female attendance at the gym plummeted. Rousey’s success was good for the fight gyms, not just the for UFC. There hasn’t been a fighter since with a compelling enough story to get women to train in those numbers. That’s something.
Ya sound like a goof
right has nothing to do with your gym..totally some mma influence lol your delusions are hilarious..women probably just didn't want to be groped by you any longer and you are now bitter.
Dana chose the most marketable woman to open the eyes to people all over the world to womens MMA and he was correct in doing so. Ronda is still more marketable than almost every other woman to ever step in the octogon.
I think Ariel is right. Rhonda really wasn’t that good, she just had a really good arm bar and she also competed at the beginning of woman in the UFC. Woman of today would destroy her.
Ariel is *THE* number one heel interviewer in sports today. The man is so mean I bet he would headbutt Jim grey at a boxing event just for saying hello. Would also probably shake Brendan schaubs hand and say good job pal.
Sports evolve, and athletes get better over times, this happens in every sport. If thats the case every single pioneer of MMA is overrated. Gracie is overrated, Shamrock is overrated, Don Frye is overrated. None of those guys were good enough then, to hang in the sport now. People need to put things in context before they make an opinion on whos "overrated."
@@mattc5647 wmma hasn’t gotten better. Rose v Esparza is the worst title fight in ufc history
"A really good arm bar"
Yeah bro there isn't annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnything else you need to get into a position to use it starting from standing huh? LOL
@@tomjones2056 115 lb girls hitting each other will rarely be exciting, but you definitely see improvements in technique and the quality of fighters.
If you are willing to say Ronda was overrated, than you're also saying Royce Gracie was also overrated. They were just the first to master a single style and technique. They were ahead of the curve for their time
Did Karo Parisian never get a top contenders shot at the belt in the Matt Hughes GSP era?
One of the very few times I completely agree with Ariel, he usually has terrible takes on everything, this time he nailed it. I feel like he was too gentle on Rousey, she's even worse than he made it out but it's a good start.
Ariel is the most overrated person in MMA journalism. We all know the ONLY reason he was hired. Nothing to do with his qualifications.
Here's good old 'Hipster Ariel' pretending he wasn't riding the hype train like everyone else because he's the smartest guy in every fucking room when it comes to MMA despite the fact he's probably never thrown a real punch in his life. What does that say about everyone she beat? I didnt like her during her reign, but she had 8 wins in title matches, i'd take that as validation over anything that idiot has to say.
Oh but lest we forget! Arrogant Ariel DID shadowbox Nate Diaz's hand, so he DOES have some serious street cred and in depth experience in the sport. Now that's gangstaaaaaah LOL
@@michaeltrujillo4149 a to the rizzo
I can’t imagine Ariel in an elevator with OJ, not asking a question that almost gets him killed..
Chael, You are just So Sharp in how you see the world clearly. Well Played.
Finally, thank you. Ronda doing striking is a masterpiece.
She still has the record for most consecutive title defenses…. Question anything you want, it’s not ‘overrated’, she did that. Don’t think people are putting her ahead of Amanda Nunes or something like that. Ariel’s gotten so salty towards everyone and everything it feels like
How are you getting that stat?
@@Malygosblues she has the womens defense record right now with valentina right behind her 6-5
@@williamb5388 Okay, most title defenses for a women's division. That's the part I was missing. Carry on.
Juliana Peña would’ve derailed Ronda’s hypetrain early on. Ufc did a great job dodging that matchup. Don’t think Ronda ever taught Cat Zigano either.
In her era, she was fantastic. But if she was to fight a current top 5 or maybe even top 10 female in her weight division, she would not be dominant like she was in the Rhonda era. Simple facts, the sport has evolved and because of Rhonda, the female fighters of today have evolved with the rest of the sport. When Rhonda came to prominance the competition was slim, and female MMA was mostly women that looked like ring girls.
I low-key knew Ronda was all hype just like I knew Conor McGregor was mostly hype. There was a reason Dana was keeping Ronda from cyborg. Anybody with any ounce of common sense could see that Ronda would get wrecked if she fought cyborg. When I saw highlights of Holly Holmes before she fought Rousey. I said to myself. Ronda is in trouble. It's no different than with Conor. I wish I had screen shot my comment when Nate called out Conor. Because I broke that fight down damn near perfect. I said Nate had the chin to overcome Conor's onslaught. I knew this because Nate beat Melvin Gullard (who also had insane ko power) the same way he beat Conor years prior. Conor dominated 145 because he was bigger than everybody else in the division. When he went to light and welterweight He got exposed. Eddie Alvarez was the perfect opponent for Conor. But even if he defended the title. Conor was ultimately going to lose it. Even khamzat chimaev, who I'm actually big on, got exposed a tad bit. Most of these hyped fighters get exposed one way or another. It's almost like hype stocks. When people are hyping up a stock. I tend to short it..
Khabib was also a "one trick pony". People always diss Rousey by saying she was the best "until the others caught up".
If Conor had an answer for khabib when they fought and stayed off the feet I bet people would be saying the same about khabib being a one trick pony and not to be added in the goat convo.
The sport evolves, the competition got tough but you still respect the Randy's instead of saying "he wouldn't survive the current roster". Why can't the same be said about Rousey?
Khabib dropped conor
Btw, I'm directing my comment to the people saying things like "I'm glad she's gone".
And other things of similar nature.
@@ndumisondlovu9254 Khabibs skill set was on a different level to Ronda's (obviously). Ronda's actual mma ability was overrated, womens MMA wasnt as developed as the mens game and she could get away with basically a hip toss and an arm bar. Whats underrated is what she meant for womens MMA, she made that division. If there was no Ronda womens MMA wouldn't be where it is today, i dont think you have them headlining fight nights or PPV's. She's a pioneer of the sport, the elite fighters in women's mma are so much better than her now. Maybe if she had a different coach we are having a different conversation but it is what it is.
@@ndumisondlovu9254 the sport had plenty of competition at the time..ufc just wasn't signing them they were still hesitant about how sponsors would react..seriously have none of you see past interviews/documentaries on ufc's women's evolution lol..rousey was benefactor of few great bjj and few kickboxers..and then she wasn't and proved she wasn't as good as the hype..she made her name of a few fast finishes that was it; there's very few of her fights you could call "impressive". Her biggest rival was meisha tate that says it all right there :')
I agree.
Khabib is way more skilled than Rousey is. I'm not claiming in the slightest that their on the same skill level. My point is on the "one trick pony" statement where people choose to diss her coz she won mostly with an armbar but rarely diss khabib winning with mostly takedowns.
Ronda was clearly not really the best in her division (holly and Nunez). Unlike Khabib who cleared out his division. But how many champions have cleared out their division and do we get to say they aren't deserving to be called the best, at least for the time being because they haven't cleared out the division? - I get there's extra credit that goes with clearing out a division, bit if you make it to being a champ and stay there while having remarkable wins can we at least say you're good?
Or maybe you can discredit that by saying "that division was new" or "that roster was less talented" and "she couldn't possibly hang these days". Fair statement, but hoist Gracie and Randy couture were having success at a time were MMA was "new", hoist btw was a "one trick pony" and you can confidently say about both men that "they couldn't possibly hang today". So we're is the disrespect on their names, why only Rousey?
She was overhyped in the sense that people were saying she could beat up Floyd Mayweather.
But within female MMA she would probably still be top 5 today, just needs to stick to her judo rather than trying to become a striker.
She could probably beat skinny dudes that have not trained in MMA. But if Floyd lands them hands, she done
Ariel is 💯 on this one
Ronda was NOT “overrated”. She was clearly the best female fighter in MMA while she on top, but the MMA sport caught up to her when it came to striking. Ronda tried to transition into more of a stand up fighter and Holms smoked her. The loss destroyed her as a fighter and she never recovered mentally until she took on the fight with Nunes where she got retired.
The female fighter evolved and Ronda couldn’t make the transition. She was great during her time and launched women’s MMA which continues to grow. Can’t take anything away from her because she carried that torch for female fighters and made it legit.
Nah she got fed bums they also thought holly holm wasn’t gonna do anything if you remember she was like a 9-1 underdog
Ronda if she didnt have Edmond coaching her she could have beaten Holm. Edmond was telling her you did great and to keep it up when he was badly rocked with a punch. Nunes is a different story, she is an animal.
look at ufc's roster during her prime..1 kickboxer....1 real bjj artists..and a bunch of "mma fighters" rousey never truly tested until she was and she coward away
@@JamesKP17847 - I called the Holm fight because I knew that Holm was a great striker and that if she kept the fight up she would likely win. Ronda went in trying to strike with her and got smashed. Ronda's weakness was that she tried to expand her skills way too late in the game. She had relied on her Judo and submissions throughout her run, and she simply failed to become a more well rounded MMA fighter. She had a great run and the Holm loss ended her career because she mentally checked out.
She was the victim of her own success. She didn't build off of her ground skills until it was too late. The other women that came up were well rounded on the ground and on the feet.
@@HarpreetSingh-kj8ro - I disagree. Ronda best chance in that Holm fight was to grapple her as much as possible, but she chose to strike with her and got smashed. Ronda chased her all over the cage and got tired. When she got into a scramble, Holm defended it and brought it back up to the feet where Ronda kept chasing her and getting more frustrated while getting popped in the mouth. She was the champion and Holm should have been pressing her, not the other way around.
Also, Holm was taller and didn't allow Ronda to use her Judo to great effect since Ronda was already tired in the first round chasing her and throwing wild punches. It was a classic situation where Ronda used a strategy that Holm welcomed because she countered the hell out of her and broke her spirit.
Imagine you covering a sport that you never competed in at all. Oh wait..Helwani?
So nobody can cover the Whitehouse unless they were president? That seems pretty dumb.
@@DG-qb5oc according to that guy; yes, ex- President's only for reporting on the U.S. presidency haha.
Trump, Obama, and Bush being the only one's who could speak about Biden would be hilarious.
What was he saying during rondamania?
I want to know more about Ridge Wallets Uncle Chael!
One of my favorite accomplishments in Ronda’s career was how she successfully defended her world title twice in I believe 3-4 months while also acting during the production of the Expendables. Absolutely ridiculous, I love her.
Yup and in fast n furious movie one of the few times it was believable a normal woman with no super powers was believable in a fight.
Quality acting 😆
Must have taken so much effort 👌