Does my chess cheat device get past the metal detector?
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Can my chess cheating device get past the metal detector wand commonly used at chess tournaments to screen for cheat devices? In this video I also test out a faraday cage to see if it is a viable solution for preventing radio signals reaching my device. This device was made in response to the chess cheating scandal involving Hans Niemann and Magnus Carlsen, originating at the Sinquefield Cup 2022.
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Is this test conclusive? Did I miss something? Any other solutions aside from the faraday cage to prevent cheating? Let me know your thoughts below!
What if it wasnât an anal tou and he just put the vibrating part in a balloon and swallowed it? So that he could cheat even if he played naked
Ok
@@yom35 npc
one of the theories is not only did it send the move, but it also received input from the player themselves. by contracting your muscles, or tapping your foot, etc. you can input your opponents moves and the device outputs the move you should make. this means a faraday cage would be useless as their are no signals needed to operate the device.
Lol
Maybe I CAN make Grandmaster...
GOTHAM
Too funny :D
I wpupd send this video for you in twitter, fortunatly not necessary haha
DADDY LEVY!!
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Mike needs to understand that we're not going to stop asking questions until he actually WEARS the device.
WEAR? u meant INSERT đ
Ctrl+v?
@@barin103 ?
@@berkeli383paste was what he was going for
Competitive chess is dead until they start stripping down and cavity searching. Even if hansmanshands didn't cheat, its too well known now
You heard it from Mike first 3:34 . To ensure that no one is cheating, they have to be spanked with a metal detector at the end of each game.
Yes metal daddy
"Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to bend over. We need to give you a little pat on the ass just to be sure you didn't spend the night with Hans Niemann."
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Even slapping it won't find something hidden inside Hans Niemann asshole.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Seven years ago I had a spinal cord stimulator implanted under the skin on my back. It's very easy to see if I have my shirt off. Obviously, it has metal wires just like your device. My wife said that I would have to notify TSA agents (US airport security) whenever we flew. I said, "Let's wait and see." It's never been detected once, either in the US or abroad, and we have flown at least 30 times. Even when I was wanded it's never been detected. So I wasn't surprised at all by your findings.
Same. I have a titanium rod in my femur, it has only gone off once when I was going through India in 2015. Im convinced that they had a different detection method at the time because it went off through the walk in detector and the wand, but they were the very old models. Since 2018 or so, flew internationally many times and India; never has gone off since..and most of the time it's been after they made a "security" upgrade to have that 180 degree scanner instead of a pure walk through metal detecter
@@cheetah219 perhaps they can tell the titanium rod is what it is? The metal detector identifies it, and then the attendant can tell what it is so let you through, but older models of metal detectors just tell you that thereâs metal there?
They probably detect it. Those scanners can detect screws inside people. They probably just know what it is.
I have metal pins in my hip and have done so for 40 years
They have never triggered anything ever
@@exigency2231 The whole security theater is shit at its stated purpose. People never receiving training as long as they work there, machines doing a terrible job, emphasis placed on doing very visible things instead of something that has an impact. It's incredible what people have brought through without issue, including a chainsaw
You could put a similar device in a belt buckle which is usually removed and put back on without a second thought when being scanned.
Dang, that's super clever.
True! Not to give away my trade secrets lol, but security checks at events are often flawed in ways like this đ They always do the ol' "remove the contents from your pocket while we check you with the metal detector" gag, and most times you can either just remove the item from your pocket and hold it in your hand, or stick the item in the provided bowl next to your cellphone and keys, because nobody checks the bowls either lol. Security checks are a joke.
What about glasses? I think fitting the device within their frame would be much harder, but probably possible.
@@jakistam1000 you could see the glasses vibrate
@@jakistam1000 Google Glasses? Tried and failed a few years ago, but I guess with a 'spotter' you could make them work. But the trouble is you need to modify the Google Glasses and in St. Louis after the cheating scandal broke the chess club instituted a 30 minute delay of televised moves making a spotter useless for except maybe one or two moves a game.
Imagine a world where chess players have to sit in a faraday cage to prevent them from using cheating devices they might have shoved up their ass
they gonna have more thorough search than the prison did lol
It's the future, babyyy
I would rather imagine a world where you have to have an engine buttplug installed to stay competetive :-)
Imagine coming to some tournament just wanting to play some chess and getting a cavity search instead
@@Assault_Butter_Knife Actually, it mostly only matters when the match gives the opportunity to win money. The worst a player can do is probably knock out a really good player, but that would be extremely suspicious.
This actually makes Hans cheating much more plausible. If all you needed to beat the metal detector is silicon he wouldn't even need to use "beads" he could just put it anywhere on his body.
another and likely cheaper solution would be a delay between the stream and the actual gameplay. If someone is analyzing the game over the stream, the perfect answer would come way to late. And the present spectators should be tested as well.
Thatâs a really good idea
You know, like they have been doing in poker streaming for a decade :D
Do they not already do this? I've never watched chess live, but in sporting events they usually have a delay.
@@maycoral1224 Yep, they use broadcasting delay now.
They have done this before. The problem with this, and the issue with the Hans-Magnus situation, is that Hans is good enough to not need a device to tell him precisely what move he needs to make, only that his position is objectively better.
GMs at that level can look at a position and say "it's even" or "they might be better" but completely overlook an important tactic. If they know a specific position is better, all they have to do is use their time to find it.
The WCC just concluded, and you can see that most players only go into deep thinks maybe twice a game. Even a 30 minute delay would not be enough in classical if someone got help in a very critical position.
I wonder how many chess players your machine tutorial helped.
My mum started learning chess after seeing his device last week.
@@JMac- "chess" đł
@@JMac- man just sacked himself to just crack a joke............................
chASS
@@tusharsharma9988 now worries i teached your mom chess with my device
A chess cage match like they do in wrestling would certainly be an entertaining event.
Checkout sagarshah deathmatch
nows the perfect time to plug Ludwig's Chess Boxing event lol
2 men enter, one man leaves!
@@pvic6959 I was about to say the exact same thing lol
There was just a chess boxing event can find it on CZcams
Faraday cage is not the only option. You can also use a GSM jammer.
Honestly it is hilarious that big chess tournaments didn't see that coming.
Isn't using jammers like
VERY prohibited?
The irony is rich. How can they be so smart on the board but not in reality?
They knew. Pro players like Magnus knew about it but he couldn't say anything without proof. That's why Magnus want to play only fast games instead of classic, it's harder to cheat in faster games.
Organizations also knew about it but as long money is flowing they don't care...
Unfortunately, anything that is designed to block electronic signals like that is often illegal at events like this, as it violates that pesky part 15 of the FCC rules, specifically because it also blocks 911 calls.
It's not like jammers are allowed at eSports, and there's even more potential for cheating there.
Gsm Jammer is a Bad idea because how you will provide a stream with your electronics when you gonna jam the whole Room with white Noise ?
Chess Authority: "We will not be instituting mandatory metal detector spankings before every game"
Add to that not just the silicon but several cm of flesh (give or take depending on how thick your cheeks are), and the fact that the security guards typically don't rub the metal detector directly on the person but float it several cm around their clothes.
@@mattcelder LMAOOO đ€Łđ
I still want to see all the competitors get spanked with the detector, that would be hilarious.
so what you are saying is at chess tournaments they should hit the competitors in the ass with the metal detectors
Hrng colonel, I'm trying to find cheating devices, but the clap of their ass cheeks keeps confusing the metal detector
@@Defahnđđ
Another thing to think about is that if the cheater is already a good player trying to win a tournament (rather than a relative novice trying to beat a much better player), signaling every move isn't necessary for a cheating advantage, in theory you need to transmit much less information. Grandmasters have said that even just being told once per game whether or not an engine evaluates the current position as nearly equal would be enough to become the top player, since you'd always know at the key decision point whether it's strategically better to play for a safe draw or a risky win. That's one bit of information once per game. That might expand the number of possible cheating methods.
Yep, Hikaru was asked in a podcast what the minimal amount of information is that he needs to get an advantage and he said just a buzz in a critical position would be enough.
Yep. You Just play normally until you "ask" for some help in a move by even how you sit on your chair or move your feet. Would be enough for someone whos there to send you a few buzzes that would be gamechanging
Man, that's insane that even the switch wasn't even detected
Why? As en electronics engineer, I would be surprised if it was.
@@mrkv4k idk, cause it's also metal and fully exposed. So I feel like it would totally set off a detector.
@@lonewolfplays8084 It's not iron. Those detectors are usually sensitive to ferromagnetic metals only.
The technique works so well when actually used as a buttplug since anal tissue is highly sensitive. Since most metal and most buttplugs are surrounded by silicone, so imagine if it is also hidden in human flesh. Unless you attaboy every player when they go through the metal detector then it canât catch the person using the cheating device. Itâs such a brilliant idea that can be prevented with proper measures sure but realistically whoever came up with the idea is a madlad.
This dude just casually fucking up the world of competitive chess đ
â@@dustinjames1268 I can't tell if this makes more fun of Hans or Magnus. Hans admitted to cheating on online chess games, but not sure how he would have cheated against Magnus in person.
believe it or not this is actually helping more than it's damaging, because it shows what's possible and with more information on cheating organizers can improve cheat detection
@@dustinjames1268 you mean hans?
nothing has prevented people from making electronics that are hard to dected by a metal detector.
Example: aluminium, stainless steel harder to detect than the copper and steel.
All you have to do is acquire the same metal detector than they use in the tournament, and start removing the problematic metals until it is no longer detected.
If there is money to be made in the end, people will do it.
You can make an antenna out of aluminium, and can make a servo out of stainless steel and PLA (custom made), the wires and tracks on the PCB can be in aluminium... and so on. Unless you start X-raying Niemann et al, you will never know.
@@dustinjames1268 what does Nepo have to do with this?! It's Hans
The thing that struck me about your first "experiment" was that your device could be seen as being a very early prototype (and I for one was shocked at how well it functioned). There is little to no reason why a "reasonably well-funded malicious actor" couldn't construct something with the same function in a far smaller, easier to conceal package, and that would be even harder to detect (especially with those wand detectors; as you noted, they aren't "brilliant"...)
@Maxtor there was literally a shoe cheater, he was caught
Be literally taped in your armpit or stuck between your toes. Lots of possibilities.
In fact it wouldn't be much of a problem to shrink this device down into a swallowable pill. Sounds like Hollywood SciFi but similar camera equipped pills are already being used for "Capsule endoscopy". The Arduino Nano that was used in the video is the devlopment patform for the ATmega328 microcontroller. Because you don't need all the features of the Nano you could put that Microcontroller on a way smaller PCB that contains all necessary parts. Now, connect it with a tiny battery, put it in a hollow pill, profit.
@Maxtor youd think but that has been done and he was caught. donât sensationalise
@@MicLieg Yup, and use the smaller packages - that chip is available in 5mmx5mm packages, and more powerful chips (like ARMs) are available in BGAs, making them even smaller. A random crawl through ST micros selection reveals powerful chips as small as 2.6x2.6mm, which, combined with a phone vibration motor, a tiny battery and some careful power saving design, could yield a device absurdly small - give or take antennas etc.
This all considering that the plug he has in the video is not by any degree large - a larger plug could contain enough computing power to run stockfish at very high precision and enough battery power to do it for a while.
User input would still be hard though.
Not the entire tournament, just a simple metal cage that can hold two people and a table. If the receiver and transmitter are in the cage, they will still work.
Metal cages are also relatively cheap to build as well.
I think you forget the fact that we are talking about chess tournaments, with dozens of matches being played at the same time.
If its just 2 people. I am sure there are better ways than to put them in some cage. Just do a more thorough check
The players can still go to the bathroom and receive the signals there though
Guess auditors need to start spanking hans instead of just passing the device over đ
I didn't expect the silicone to completely hide the metal of the device from the metal detector. I will say, as a former event security worker, those metal detector "wands" don't miss things like a watch or phone or anything. It will pick it up 10 times out of 10. So if you've ever had something slip past, it's because the security person let it go. They usually have the wand set to vibrate so only they know if it goes off, and they can use their own discretion to decide if they need to investigate further. The wands are pretty effective, so it is really interesting that a butt plug was enough to hide the electronics from it. It really gives credence to the sex toy cheating theory.
I mean, how could you know about the things it didn't detect?
Im just trying to get a weed vape past them honestly
@@jayteegamble That's survivorship bias, baby
Considering the device would be up someones behind, I'm sure it would pass the metal detector test
Thatâs a false statement.. if you missed something you wouldnât even know. You couldâve missed a bunch of wireless butt plugs actually.
It would be interesting to see at what sophistication of a metal detector would detect the device. Maybe ask a security supply company or one that does security at events to see if they would be willing to see which detectors can detect it. Also would be interesting to see what thickness of materials is enough for the metal detector.
this is incredibly interesting I would love to see someone try and make it as small as possible, and make it so you can enter the opponents moves on your person. Do more testing with silicone, higher quality metal detectors, and faraday cages.
Crazy to think that "Cage Matches" could become a thing in chess.
Do we have to wear a cage instead of this device?
can't wait for those OG clickbait WWE youtube videos with like decapitated heads and fountains of blood only this time it is chess
@@mlee6050 Exactly, just require top chess players to wear full body mail during their matches, no room coating necessary.
Adds back some medieval vibes to the "game of kings" as well.
@@janb.3600 Guess so, I mainly said it as chastity cage or what it called
@@mlee6050I like the idea of the tourney events putting together a few different sizes of like, a shawl with sleeves, made of conductive mesh that covers their entire bodies except down to their hands and their faces. Long, gets to the floor even while sitting kind of thing.
The problem was never with massive tournaments that have the funds to do proper testing, but with "tier 2" tournaments - you'd still have a couple top 30 and plenty top 100 players there but the prize pool would drop into low 5 figures where proper detection just isn't feasible. Yet one of the strongest theories today is that Niemann specifically picked the kinds of tournament without strong anti-cheating measures and used those to inflate his rating (another point here is that his rating always plateaued, then shot up massively and plateaued again - no improvement during fair tournaments and huge improvements during the ones he could cheat).
How did they do "proper" testing? Did they have faraday cages?
@@cube2fox cavity search
@@eklhaft4531 Not enough. You could build this thing small enough, that you can swallow it. You would need to xray the players or something like that. And even then, you have a few possibilities, for which players do not need such an device.
A very plausible theory. In any game, let's say you win 50% of the time. If you cheat only 10% of your games, now you can win up to 60% of the time. That's enough to always rise in rankings.
For Niemann, he has had a handful of absolutely spectacular tournaments (especially when there is live coverage with no time delay). Other tournaments he's pretty lackluster.
Also everyone talks about the but plug thing because it's funny but I imagine it would be alot easier and more comfortable if he had it in his shoe, especially since there's a good chance the metal detector guy will stop at the ankle so it's even easier to bypass it
SO GOOD! This is like what journalism should be !
The Faraday cage solution assumes that the response is sent to the device from a computer controlled by a collaborator. However, a computer which implements the chess algorithm could also be fit inside the suppository device without difficulty. The only hard step needed to get this to work within a Faraday cage is to have a way to input the moves on the board to the suppository device while it is in its position. I think this can be done by clenching your pelvic floor muscles! Best get working on your kegal exercises for the next follow-up video?
Literally what Iâve been thinking this whole time, and itâs what I originally thought the video was going to be. This assumes that he has an accomplice there, but if youâre looking at solutions that require an accomplice, something like your own coded messages through blinking, any noise ever, etc, would be just as effective anyways. If the problem is just communicating with an accomplice, thereâs a lot more than one way to do that without getting caught
I had the same thought - I think it would be enough to build in a force sensor so one could contract the muscles in a similar way to how the vibration motor signals row-column combinations. Then of course, with an interface that limited, the code would be a little more complex to accommodate this input-output but hey I think thatâs totally feasible and neither a faraday cage nor a jammer would be sufficient to block the device.
Moreover you've got a portable chess opponent to play against anywhere and anytime so you can improve your skill for future fair chess games!
I think you would need quite a bit of processing power though..
clenching your pelvic floor muscles hahahah that's smart
Can something like this be concealed in a player's shoe? I imagine like casino cheats have better ways to conceal devices. Also, in a faraday cage scenario, could someone create two devices to keep on person. One is a input, the other an output. The signal would not have to travel far from the person.
That is what Borislav Ivanov is alleged to have done.
Yes, people joke a lot about putting devices up your butt, but most of these kinds of cheating are done with the device within people's shoes
Could fit the whole device in one shoe, with user input, and local hosted chess engine. And shoes commonly have metal also, so not uncommon for them to trip metal detectors. So long as they didn't X-ray the shoe, it would be a piece of cake.
@@bradley3549 Iâm starting to believe that fully nude matches are the only way to go.
@@bradley3549 they check in shoes i'm pretty sure
Hi Mike! As somebody commented, there's no problem running a small CPU capable of running stockfish locally in your... behind (any stripped down smartphone will do). The problem is feeding it the last position locally, but that's also possible. A simple switch can do it in the device itself, or an electrode to sense muscle twitching and send a variation of the protocol to make it bidirectional and reject false/involuntary messages, and with no RF needed. Unfortunately, a motivated cheater with the technology and resources will be extremely hard to detect, since you can even make the electronics almost invisible to metal detectors and RF detectors. If the cheater is a GM he can also avoid moves that are suspicious (in your game, you gave it away by doing moves that for a high level player is obvious only a machine will do), so using the device as a strong advisor instead of just relaying the moves will be pretty much impossible to detect. Only way I can think of would be a very sophisticated and impractical full body scanner.
Xray
As others have pointed out, the actual non-joke method of cheating would be with a device in the shoes.
You could send signals back by tapping on pressure sensors, and this would be even more efficient with one in each shoe.
With only a bit of practice I was able to tap moves (from x/y, to x/y, 12 bits total) in about 10 seconds including the time to look at the move.
I did it by splitting the board in half and tapping left/right for the side it's on, and repeating this process until you have the position. Then you simply do the same for y, and the other x/y pair.
If you instead memorize binary representations, it's even faster, and I think a pro should be able to do it in under 3 seconds.
To send commands like "undo", you could tap both feet at the same time, and you could even have it verify moves by sanity checking them and reading them back to the player for confirmation.
All of this would work inside of a faraday cage, but if they also check for weak signals, you might have to do it single-footed or physically connect them with a thin wire running through the pants, or directly with metal contact points on the sides of the shoes.
@@Dayanto I don't think it would be very stealthy to be tapping with your feet at regular intervals. Sphincter clenching still superior
@@Dayanto Then just give out shoes before a tournament, like in bowling
@@joefernandez5787 You don't have to tap your whole foot. Just one tow would do.
Wild idea - if you put a potent (pun intended ;) enough chip into the device, so the chess move calculation could happen on device - and then making a "muscle contraction Interfaceâ with a force sensor i.e. being able to enter the latest move, with a similar code you used to transfer the desired position, into the device by contracting your sphincter. well youâd have to use these muscles quite a lot, Iâm not sure what kind of consequence this might have.. but still, this would make the device fully independent.. the player cheating wouldnât be relying on an external person and neither a faraday cage nor a signal jammer would be sufficient to block the cheating device. The only means to intervene would involve the player getting physically examined and or more sufficient detectors to find the device before the game starts.
Amazing set of videos. Highlights the issues so wellâŠ
see the thing is, there are also methods like steam delay etc. to counteract observer interference, so an advanced cheat device would have an input method and local processing so you can use an engine without relying on outside interaction.
Yea for shorter time control sure, but in stuff like classical especially at higher levels of play a single engine move could help out alot
A wave of release was felt as the device wasnât detected in the pocket, so as now the device didnât need to be tested in a ârealistic placementâ to see if that detected it in place and ready to go.
Mike almost at 3million it's well deserved ! Congrats!
What a great series. Love you, Mike! đ
Some metal detectors have rf frequency detection too. We used to get scanned with one when entering sensitive areas when I was in ait for going to our classes
The device doesn't need so transmit anything though, it only needs to listen for external signals.
@@ricardoamendoeira5689 I guess I'm not 100% sure how the rf detection works on those. I got told (and never tested my luck) that it would detect cell phones even if they were on airplane mode and such. I know people had even gotten caught with smart watches on airplane mode from the rf detection mode
last week the device
this week sneaking it in
next week using it in real time
It was amazing to me to see so many people in those early chess cheating videos talk about how impossible it was to cheat in person, and then to exclaim about the wanding and security measures. Those wands are junk and always have been. They only catch people casually carrying something they shouldn't, not those who are purposely carrying something malicious.
Well thought out and enacted. Thank you.
Love your videos man. Keep the good work up!
Seems like one could make a phone app that does the vibration pulse like the toy. It wouldn't get you into a tournament, but you could beat anyone in a casual environment!
Thanks for the tips mike!!!
Much better sound this time! good video :D
This is just what I needed for today, great stuff Mike!
Maybe use a body scanning unit like the ones in some airports to detect any foreign objects that are hidden anywhere in or on the body
Pretty sure those cost like $2 million USD
@@3drocketgd3 Just host tournament at an airport then saves on travel also :)
Ethics and privacy?
Those are hella expensive, super intrusive, and still don't catch everything. They also aren't safe for regular use.
They used a big frame detector where everybody had to walk through in the Chess Olympiad in Istanbul. The playing hall was near the airport so they probably borrowed it.
Thanks for testing it with the metal detector. The result was not what I expected.
The reason why the metal detector likely doesn't pick up the metal in the device is simply because there isn't enough metal surface area in the circuit board to create a noticeable magnetic field for the detector to read. Basically, it is a geometry issue. The reason why it signals briefly when moving quickly at it is because of Gauss's law. The quicker you change the electric field's flux the stronger the eddy current and the more detectable the induced magnetic field is but only for a brief moment. It is also very sensitive to distance. It's something like to the 3rd power that the strength of the magnetic field diminishes per unit of distance.
I recommand that whenever people talk about complicated stuff like physics or mathematics to a general audience, they should try to make it as easy to understand as possible. To most people, "Gauss's law", "eddy current", "3rd power" are just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. âIf you can't explain it to a six-year-old, then you don't understand it yourselfâ - Albert Einstein
it does pick the metal up when itâs outside of the silicone though, so i think itâs just cause the metal detectors used suck
Gaussâs law? Did you mean Faradayâs law (of induction)?
That's not true though. He took it out of the casing, it detected it flawlessly. That disproves the surface area thing too. The scalpel blade definitely has less area than that battery. Yet, it doesn't detect the battery in the casing, but does detect the blade. It's obviously not surface area, something else is keeping it from being detected.
@@ryanryan997 he's still wrong too đ
The problem is, you can definitely sneak devices in. Easily. Especially in shoes. Thatâs my theory anyway. He likely had a similar setup where he pressed his toe into a button in his shoe to enter moves and it vibrates softly to give him the win. Would be insanely easy to program too.
I pretty much subscribed to every skill enthusiast on social media and what I appreciate about you Mike is that it is very clear that you're into tech skills and you clearly apply things you've learned from your academic background. This is part of your brands style if you ask me and I think it's great! Your work has definitely influenced my work and I thank you for that. Can't wait for the next one Mr. Boyd đ„
Amazing. First video was already great, and then you tested the questions on everyone's mind. But I agree with other, until you wear it, we will not stop asking questions :)
Mike Boyd: "this could be defeated by"
Me: "putting it deeper inside your a---"
Mike Boyd: "using a Faraday cage"
Me: "Oh."
So this is what Nikolai Tesla spoke about when, during his first demonstration of a radio-controlled boat, he said "With this principle, you may live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension"
I remember hearing this wasnât viable because itâs illegal to install a faraday cage because people must still be able to call helplines in case of emergencies
I feel like this would have to be an exception, because there's always multiple people present both inside and outside the cage. If it is a legal problem they could always just run a landline into the cage
You could have staff stationed outside the cage, observing the match, and they could call emergency if needed. Or a landline phone.
Yeah, a landline phone would solve this handily. You'd have to have physical cables for the stream anyway, so it's not that much extra effort to run a phone line too.
Large room sized faraday cages exist in radar labs everywhere.
Does that make every metal-frame store with no cell signal inside âillegalâ?
Hi Mike just wanna say your vids are awesome and inspire me to learn though I haven't done all that much yet I intend to do so especially wildlife skills always loved the outdoors.
This is the best motivational channel!!
Chess cage matches sound sick as hell. I approve of this new development in the chess scene.
ludwig is doing chess boxing
This is going to be a new random prop to find in videos now. Isn't it.
Thank you for doing this investigation
Holy crap, this is actually testing the limits of cheating.
never before seen dedication to youtube videos, kudos
nevermind it didn't go up his bum
i feel like you could localize it using a pressure sensor and clenching to give input
Hey Mike, I really appreciate you sending me you spare one of these, never did get round to giving you my gratitude, really helped me improve my game, felt like I was better than magnus Carlson with it haha. I was wondering if youâd consider remodeling to something a bit more⊠comfy? Thanks either way man.
Your Friend,
Hans N.
This pretty much confirms it for me. Along with the other info we already have. Thanks
You need to put the players into a Faraday cage. Someone sitting in the audience could otherwise still locally host an instance of Stockfish and transmit moves that way.
They also test for radio signals, so you'd need to test with that one as well.
I was not expecting this, but this is wonderful
It's illegal to put large signal jammers in public places like where chess tournaments are held because it blocks 911 from being called so that won't work
If there is a designated playing area, I can't imagine that something couldn't be worked out. This law probably has exceptions.
â@@LunaticSoldiers Definitely not, dude. The only exceptions are for military.
@@qubei In my experience, competitions and social events that are of substantial caliber usually can work something out on the side, it wouldn't surprise me if there would be something that can be done for them.
Can you please try against a Non Linear Junction Detector? That would be amazing.
2:41 Got so scared, then u thankfully had a plastic cover on it hahah.
great device you made, mike. it works wonders.
Metal detectors produce a magnetic field which induces a magnetic field on any nearby metal. This induced field then interacts with the metal detector showing, indicating a metal is present. If you wack the metal fast enough perpendicular to the field lines this will induce a stronger secondary magnet, hence it only detects when you hit it
I didn't expect so little silicon to beat the detector.
I'm sure cheaters already tested what they can get away with.
You can also send the signal from within the cage, unless it's only the players that are in the cage. The issue with this is, chess is insanely underfunded, it makes 0 money and is mostly done for fun, even at the "professional" level with the exception of the very top. As such, many tournaments, even some of the pretty important ones with top players in them, take place in regular, rented buildings like sport halls, hotels and whatnot. It's simply impossible, aside from maybe top 3 tournaments, to host matches in such setting, mostly because such buildings don't really exist in the first place and the ones that do would be too expensive to rent out for the sake of an event that doesn't make money in the first place.
Could definitely be detected by scanning for signals using a software defined radio
there are just way too many signals on way too many bands to actually differentiate a cheating signal from the ton of signals all around us.
Too much interference, you can make these devices do complicated things. It would be simple enough to sync a device to transmit certain frequency for a bit and switch to a different frequency. Rinse and repeat, you wouldn't know any better.
This type of content is awesome great video boyd
Something that would be quite fun to watch would be a competition between people to see who can cheat at chess without being detected. Layers of difficulty (like the Faraday cage) could be added in an incremental manner.
i think so too
I really enjoyed this!
Mike IV been watching you for a few years now and have attempted to gain skills along with you. This however I feel is way your of my skill level. How are a talented individual! Love ya work.
Who's Mike 4?
I think a faraday cage around the entire room would be impossible for the same reason radio jammers are. If someone were to need emergency services, no one could make the call. Maybe there is a way around it, but its a challenge even aside from putting metal mesh around a huge tournament room. Its the typical engineering paradox. No matter what you do, someone can just engineer another way around it. Whether its firearm laws or cyber security. There is ALWAYS a way around it. Its just about making it cost prohibitive to do so.
step outside the room to make a call. you dont need the entire building to be locked down
Is this serious? Lol.
Just the chess room, and the ones outside could see the players and call emergency if necessary
Use a wired landline instead of wireless phones to call the hospital. Have medical personnel on standby. Come on, idiot. There are so many easy alternatives.
Even without using a Faraday cage or signal jamming. We could use a radio signal detector. Anyone cheating through broadcasting radio waves will be picked up by the detector instantly.
no dude given you adapt the room as a faraday cage i don't see why it should be hard to setup a cable line
The problem with a faraday cage is if someone sneaks in a computer. Though they'd need to transmit each move to it, so that would make things more difficult.
Love it!
Show the problem and then show a solution. A clean in and out⊠unlike the device!
Canât really think of a better way of covering this story to be honest. That is until the Netflix movie/show airs đ
Farade cage will definitely the best option. This was conclusive and very useful, interesting. I thought he was innocent but now after knowing that the metal detector doesnt catch it at all , i now think he must have uses a device.
I think it's unlikely (although, not impossible lol) he would have used his butt. If the metal detector can't even sense this relatively large device, all you'd have to do is strap it to your leg and put in inside it your underwear or something
Yeah a Faraday cage would work, but if you also did the chess computations on the device, you wouldn't need any signals. You would need to tell it the opponent's move though by clenching your... leg... in a pattern. And as a bonus you improve your pelvic floor health which is nice.
Not to mention you have to convert chess annotations into clenching patterns. Another limitation to this method is that you have to keep the chain of input continuously from the beginning till the end, thus making the game very suspicious when people analyze it afterwards.
@@laizerwoolf Actually the patterns thing is already done anyway in the original device, you just have to reverse it.
@@why_though ahh, that make sense.
I would love to see if you could actually get into a tournament with this. Actually pulling that off means conqering a bunch of tiny variables that must make it more difficult than any single element isolated like this.
The funny thing about metal detectors is they aren't always on high. So they will miss a lot of objects.
Whats actually more insane is how many times I have gotten on a plane, in america, with a razor blade in my wallet. Or gone into a court house or somewhere thats not just a metal detector but x-ray machines. Granted it doesn't exactly look like a normal razor. They are "Logan ANL270 blades" so they don't really have a sharp point for stabbing just an edge for cutting. I keep one in my wallet all the time because its a handy thing to have in case I forget my pocket knife or something. I just forget its in there while going through these things.
So you're saying that we might see a cage match between Hikaru and Magnus soon? I'm invested!
Faraday cage will only block signal from going in or out of the cage. If both the incoming and outgoing signal is inside of the cage, it won't stop the devices. You need a faraday cage private room in order to solve the issue.
Private rooms that only the players and referee are allowed in. Players are checked for hidden camera before entering. The only camera is the official one that will broadcast the game on a 5 min delay time. Video will also be synced to a signal grabber. If the signal grabber notice a pattern of signal being sent and received when a player is making a move. That game is ruled sus and investigation is to be considered.
that's a lot of steps to avoid checking someone's butthole.
Sus
The most concerning thing is that someone with ANY experience trying to cheat clearly could, like you could make a shoe heel out of lead that just will not be detected, theres hundreds of ways to bypass the shitty security
ezpz, tournament goes to an airport for the full body scan. the entire time each player is assigned an official to get hancuffed to. both em then get transported by the event org to the event hall and directly to their seats in the match. at no point does the official uncuff IF that player hasnt already played his match.
they dont need to buy scans and it's a trusted scan used to find smugglers.
Recreate the whole game between magnus and hans using the device, It might copy hans's move during the tournament.
One problem with the Faraday cage is that if your accomplice is inside it with you they can still send you the signal. But i am curious if you could employ a signal jamming device within the area. First i think it would be cheaper and more convenient for event organizers. I'm only curious how good signal jamming devices stop that type of radio signal like bluetooth. And how easy it would be to beat it.
signal jamming is not only illegal but also a safety hazard as you need to be able to dial 911
@@christinanull5098 Yes, but what if it is highly localized? Like being only powerful enough to cover the stage with the players. After all you just need to disturb the receiver.
Signal jammers also play havoc with medical devices like pacemakers and insulin pumps, and I think some kinds of hearing aids use bluetooth too - I know I'd be pissed if I ended up in the hospital because a signal jammer screwed up my insulin pump
You, sir, satisfy ever curiosity I have on a brain wave that nobody else does. Thank you very much!
One could still massively reduce the amount of code needed in the algorithm, so it could run in the device, and the user would have an input method through some muscle, that can't be controlled without being detected by viewers.
If it all runs locally, one could still cheat. It would also be even harder to detect.
it takes an amount of computing to recommend good chess moves that can't be done on a normal Arduino fast enough. You would need a mobile-phone like processor and a bigger battery that could get hot
I'm just imagining someone paddling all the chess masters with a metal detecting wand while searching for certain devices. I think Hikaru's face would evoke tears of laughter.
The cage will only prevent an external signal and the cheater can use some sort of input system (muscle clenching, gyroscope, button taps) to input opponent's position data and run a chess engine on chip.
PS. a much better place to hide this device would be in the sole of the shoe. you can press buttons/tap etc easily and there is plenty space for a much more powerful device
@@DiabloVal exactly. The whole idea is unrealistic in the first place
Nice "pain in the ass" pun at the end there.
But stockfish can be loaded in the thing itself, and the player will just be interacting with it in some way to get moves
Thanks Hans Niemann for being a source for so many youtubers! đ
Ignore the scam thing
They would have to have only the two players inside the cage then too. If the potential other person who is sending the signal is also inside the box as a spectater, it would still work inside the cage I assume
what if one player is helping the other one cheat? would they need to be in separate cages?
A cage, an announcer, a couple of folding chairs... Chess boxing has a new competitor.
Like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. We could all hang on the outside of the cage to watch the match.
@@luizcastro5246 that would just be straight up match fixing. why would one player help their opponent? or are you talking about a player not playing in the actual game? because they would just be a spectator then.