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- 'Jinnah or the British - Who Created Pakistan?'
To answer this question, we bring to you the FIRST PART of our 4-Part Interview Series - 'Deconstructing the Creation and Islamic Ideology of Pakistan'.
It's an exclusive and detailed talk with Award-Winning Political Scientist and Writer Prof. Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed, who with his books and findings has literally changed the course of history.
0:00 Precap
1:15 Introduction
2:44 How will the interview be conducted?
3:33 Pakistan: A nation-state or an ideological-state?
5:17 Why and How was Pakistan created?
10:01 Were Muslims and Islam really in danger?
15:01 The Hindu ideology of conversation?
17:24 Who attacked Kargil and Pathankot?
18:09 Muslim League did any Struggle?
20:32 The memo of 12th May 1947.
23:37 Did Jinnah know that he was being used?
26:06 Pakistan: a buffer state?
28:25 Muslim Leadership was being used?
29:26 The British had planned Afghan-Jihad?
30:12 Jinnah used Religion for Politics?
31:02 People died because of Pakistan?
32:11 Iqbal refuted his Allahabad address?
35:46 Jinnah used Pakistan as a bargaining tool?
36:58 Iqbal different narratives.
37:38 Was Iqbal being used too?
39:16 Muslims started the armed conflict?
41:09 EndNote.
41:25 Part 2's announcement
41:31 Ending
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listening for the first time a pakistani professor .delighted to hear open discussion based on historical facts unbiased
Dear Sir, in which city do you live?
Author #NasimYousaf has changed the course of history. Dr. Asarulislam Syed, Tarek Fateh, Prof. Pervez Hoodbhoy and Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed and others are reflecting his ideas about Jinnah and the partition of India.
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Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed is a unbiased Historian. Best discussion based on true historical facts & factual incidents. Ishtiaq Sir's research based history is true.
I am a new but big fan of Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed Pranaam 🙏🙏 to you Doctor Saab for telling us truth about
Very few people tell the truth of what happened at time of India & pakistan partition and at times when pakistan imposed war on India for Kashmir
Just wanted to provide one more addition. After the 1946 Calcutta Killings, the Noakhali Riots happened and then after that the Bihar Riots began. In the end after all the partition violence, millions died.
Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed is the most unbiased Pakistani l have ever heard.
I mean no offence to any person who considers himself a muslim and India, an enemy but I am still hoping for unity of India-Pakistan-Bangladesh. That's because I see you as our own and not an enemy.
Because I don't see you as other, I also don't see agreements of Partition (British legacy) as valid agreement.
As long as the religious chauvinism runs in these countries, the reunion would be impractical.
Keep hoping ,it will never happen
@Yusra Ali and the so called pakistanis never deserved pakistan. Because they never fought against the british rule for idependence7
@Yusra Ali he got pakistan after licking british governors boots. He never challenged the british rule neither participated in any anti british activities nor went to jail.
Actually jinnah was the british agent in india and he got his prize after his work we as done.
Finished all Four parts. Prof. Ahmed is undoubtedly Exceptional in his grasp and presentation of history of pre and post-Pakistan and Jinnah. A Must for any serious student in this area. Abbas Haider also proved himself how effectively he can dig out crux of the research and thinking from his guest. He is a young journalist but all hallmark to prove himself even more enduring and sublime in the future. Good luck!
RSSRSS population is just two-three percent. We Indians have no interest in religion. We believe in unity in diversity. We love Muslims or people of other religions.
Sahi kha no religion no problem 💪👌🥰♥️❤️
Oo bewkoof rss kay baray main paad zara , Pakistanio nay apna hee chutiyapa feelaya hua h rss kay baray main
RSS is a terrorist organization like Pakistan Army is a factory of state sponsor terrorism.
Amazing interview. Nice work done Mr. Abbas Haidar
True Hindu's not hate other Religions and their place of worship. True Hindu's respect Allah, Jesus, Gautam Buddha, Shiv and others.
Hindu and Muslim was together before 1934 ,who divided them n for what purpose?
Great Interviewer. Raised important and critical questions. I hardly have words for Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed. His command on the subcontinent history, linking dots in logical sequences, forthrightness and making senses have changed my understanding of key figures and facts of the subcontinent history. I have to watch the rest of this series. Will try to get Prof. Ahmed magnum opus book on Jinnah.
@@AbbasHaidar It is interesting history - A *Cabinet Mission came to India in 1946 in order to discuss the transfer of power from the British government to the Indian political leadership, with the aim of preserving India's unity* and granting its independence - it was a *joint India proposal* of Britain (although before 1947, India was already divided into multiple independent princely states as each state had its own currency, military and independent governmental system) joint India proposal that was offered when Nehru on behalf of Gandhi Jee rejected the prime offer proposed to Indian leadership. *That Mr. Jinnah accepted with exception to ensure minority rights in specific state* As Nehru jee wanted to eat the whole pie, Cabinet Mission prime offer was rejected along with the lame excuses. -- Question is who refused that prime offer of Joint India initially that Britain offered ??
-- Picture is very much clear now
1- Pakistan still part of Communist China and ready to give access to them so called "warm water" theory
2- The fact is till 1947 India was not "Joint India" in true sense -- already divided into multiple independent princely states -- it was not one nation before 1947
3- btw, *now socialist or leftist India is in the hands of Capitalist, not Socialist - Ready to fight on behalf of Capitalist and Imperialist US and UK against the interest of Communist Russia and Communist China*
@@AbbasHaidar Dr. Ishtiaq has given twist to history in his own way -- and few places he has quoted wrong facts with wrong data -- I hope he will give justification to his audience who blindly taking words from him
@@appleoranges9772 none reads history here.... People like istaiq ahmed do nothing just pick and choose
Dr. Ishtiyaq ahmed , your analysis is impeccable...🙏🙏
Hindu Congress claims to be secular but uses Hinduism everywhere. So, if some Muslim leaders give the slogan of Islam, it is not a bad thing. This policy is on a reciprocal basis.
Salam , love and respect from new Delhi ❤️🇮🇳
Certainly
Can't wait hear the next part. Ishtisq saheb is so meticulous scholar, unbiased. Extremely refreshing to hear him and read him.
Well said....no body died for Pakistan but a lot died because of Pakistan.
Maulana Azad was first Education Minister of India. Entire Mughal Era History, British History and History of Independence taught in school level syllabus in India.
اللہ تعالی کفار سے بھی اسلام اور مسلمانوں کے حق میں کام لے لیتا ھے۔ اللہ تعالی برائی سے اچھائی نکال لیتے ھیں فرعون کے گھر موسی علیہ السلام ۔ پاکستان بنانے میں چاھیے انگریزوں نے اپنے مفاد کا سوچا ھو لیکن اللہ تعالی اس میں سے مسلمانوں کو فائدھ پہنچانا چاھتے تھے
Bahi ya to ap na video dakhi nahi yah phir apko samaj nahi aya k kaya kah raha han
Abbas you are very delighting and most modern journalist of Pakistan.
In fact i was looking for someone like you in Pakistan.
Can't believe a straight forward journalist in Pakistan.
Have desire to meet you in Lahore if you are from lahore.
@@AbbasHaidar sure why not..
03445237698 my WhatsApp please send me your mobile.
Thanks
Very clear views. This video series should be spread to general masses.
There are few such erudite intellectuals,historians and thinkers whi can speak his mind ,based on facts and justice.Kudos to him and his likes.
No two people can perenially fight one another. Ultimately people want to live in peace and harmony, which is only very
natural
Dear Abbas Haider Bhai
Your videos are very good and made with lot or research .They are balanced ,free from bias and authentic.In fact I have many Indian friends,whom I have motivated,to be your regular subscribers
Keep up the good work.God bless your entire team.
1947- Muslims in India - 14%
2020- Muslims in India - 20%
1947 - Non Muslims in Pakistan - 20%
2020 - Non Muslims in Pakistan - less than 2%
Oh bhai ! Muslim in india in 1947 were- 8%
Saare facts galat hain
1947 non muslim in Pakistan were mostly in East Pakistan (Bangladesh). In 2020 figures are only for West Pakistan.
C S Sir meri umar 74 years hai. Ham ne sab padha huwa hai. 1947 ka data combined east aur west Pakistan ka hota tha or East Pakistan main non muslim zyada thay aur abb bhi agar aap Bangladesh ka data dekhain to wahan zyada hai.
I have subscribed your channel..keep up the good work
@@AbbasHaidar yes ofcourse I will
Have seen BBC hard talk . this interview should have been challenging considering his ideas ..but its like learning from him .
Superb and simple analysis. Such a privilege and eye opener. Please make it loud and clear to the whole of Pakistan
I wish everyone must listen to this.
Sirs,there were 3 creators of Pakistan.
1. British Crown.interested in retaining a foothold in indian subcontinent.With their experience of administering india for almost 200 years they were aware that Pakistan as a budding nation will require western help.
2. Indian muslims. Who with the trauma of defeat after 1200 years and being overwhelmingly outnumbered by hindus had an existential
problem.
3.Hindus.whose basic reaction was good riddance notwithstanding the political posturing.
India was never one country. This was a subcontinent. Great Mughal made this one country.
Congratulations abbas for a wonderful session
We ( myself Victoria Miroshnik and Dipak Basu) have analyzed this issue in our book, India as an organization, published by Palgrave-Macmillan. The thesis of Ayesha Jalal was wrong. Jinnah was recruited by the British in 1934 to create a new state where the British Army could stay to protect the Middle East from the Soviet Union and the sea route between the Suez Canal and Australia. NS Sarila, who was the ADC for the last three Vice-Roys of India, wrote that in his book. There are two others who were recruited by the British: Gandhi in 1915 and Ambedkar in 1930.
British supported the Muslim League wholeheartedly from the beginning in 1906. In every riot, British police took the position to support the Muslims. That was obvious in August 1946 in Calcutta, then in Noakhali, and Chittagong in East Bengal. Pakistan was created by the British and Jinnah, Gandhi, Ambedkar were the British agents.
Gandhi planned Pakistan in 1943. He sent his plan to Jinnah through Rajagopalachari, but Jinnah wanted a corridor through India which Gandhi could not agree with.
Agree on most of the points. As for Gandhi andvAmbedkar being British agents, I Have to research more.
Dr Ahmed , because you tell the truth without being bias for any one so Sir I have a small question about time of partition on both sides
Is it true that the trains full of behead dead bodies were sending by both the India & pak or it was only started by one and then other was doing same in revenge
Who was instigating who
Please send me reply if you know about this?
Nice interview ।।
Very exhaustive stream of discussion.
It is in everyone's interest that India and Pakistan live peacefully. We Indians do not want to take any Pakistani Territory, but Pakistan has always eyed Indian Territories. Pakistani map promulgated recently is a proof of it.
Mr Abbas saying that he likes to talk about injustices against muslims but matter of fact is most brutal injustice in history against muslims conducted by another group of Muslim which is none other then our loving ' Pakistan ' do you understand Mr Abbas....that is 1971...east Pakistan genocide...from March 25,1971 till December 15 our army ( Pakistani ) killed millions of bengoli innocent civilians...
Excellent scholar
Jinnah's two Nation theory was unvisionary. Lakhs of people killed and displaced because of Jinnah & Muslim league demand of partition. Congress always opposed two nation theory and partition of India.
I listened a lot about india Pakistan two nation theory by Pakistani speakers but still I’m in favour of two nation theory, when I see what India does inhumanity in Indian Occupied Kashmir also my Indian Sikh friend has dragged my attention about Modi’s attitude towards Sikh and how many Sikh people died.
Yeah killing was happened not only Hindus killed by Muslims but also Muslims by Hindus, that's the other problem. But, two nations theory was right Muslims and Hindus can not live peacefully for long time because congress and different Hindus activities had created so much hate in Muslims for Hindus and also the worry about out future. There are allot of proof of Hindus activities that creat hate but couldn't mention because reply will become too long
MrAbbas Haldar from where in Indit can get book on JINA written by Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed and price
behatreen discussion.
both are the best.
Nice interview love from india❤️❤️❤️
A good discussion worth my time. Thanks to you both.
Big salute to dr.sahab
Prof ishtiyaque is one of the best historians in the indian subcontinent
Subscribed all ready even seen after title...
Do I get some kind of contacts to this great gentleman,dr ishtiaq khan.pls.
Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed not khan
Fantastic and illuminating. It is better that both the countries live in peace.
Abbas Haider ji along with Dr. Ishtique Ahmed, keep up good work ...
Kia Baat hai 👍
bro doing great...you seems very organized and articulate but not complex as most journalist these days are. Good luck for your future endeavour. An Indian.
Tremendous class
Kindly correct at 7:25 Rudyard Kipling got Nobel award in 1907 not in 1911.
Thank you 😊
well done!! dear . brought the correct interpretation
Mr Abbas is very good journalist and Dr Ishtiaq the best Historian.
Sir is my teacher when I was doing mphil from government college University.
I am a Ravian. I don't know him. But he had a bad reputation in Punjab University.
feel soory for you,
i hope ALLAH reham karay appParr.
You are lucky bhaijaan, to have him as your teacher. We in our universities are lacking for such intellectual professors.
@@eye.in.thesky Well they will do that, there’s no surprise after all they are the Punjabis.
@@eye.in.thesky yes .
Antidote of state narrative. Must watch for students of political science and history and also for the general public. The anchor has great grip over the subject and moderating meticulously.
Sir
After a long time I have seen a liberal and honest Muslim scholar . Who talks sense and is thoughtful
Jinnah has blood of 10 million people in his hands.
Like a defence counsel, the honourable professor has set himself the task to create doubts, by ignoring the facts of history. Jinnah was a constitutional lawyer and he wanted to safeguard the interests of Muslims. It is just like buying a house or a portion of a house with certainty that you would enjoy without let or hindrance, you would certainly require, some written assurance, like registered document to your share of the house. Jinnah was just doing that, nothing more nothing less. History tells us, that he was a nationalist and an advocate for the Hindu Muslim unity. Lucknow Pact is a living example. It was not Jinnah, but Nehru, who in his first press conference after becoming the president of the Congress party, categorically stated, that the Congress party will not be bound by any agreement and everything will be decided in the Parliament. This is not a figment of my imagination, it is an historic fact. Maulana Azad, the outgoing president of the Congress party who had negotiated with Jinnah in the Cabinet Mission, had stated, that nominating Nehru to be the next president was his biggest mistake. If one were to have any doubts about Jinnah's secular and nationalist credentials should read "SECULAR AND NATIIONALIST" by Ajeet Jawed, published by Oxford press. By the way the author is not Pakistani academic, but Indian.
I would like to draw the honourable professor's attention to a book "Shameful Flight and called by Stanley Wolpert. The author on page 141, states, "Suhrawardy wanted a united Bengal as a third Dominion and requested Mountbatten to sound out Jinnah with this new proposal. "Two weeks later, Mountbatten asked Jinnah what he thought of Suhrawardy's proposa to create a separate sovereign Bengal, expecting him to be shocked at his Muslim league lieutenant's "treachery" much to Mountbatten surprise, Jinnah calmly replied, "I should be delighted. What is the use of Bengal without Calcutta; they had much better remained united and independent; I'm sure they would be on friendly terms with us. And when Mountbatten added that Suharwardy said Bengal would wish to remain within the British Commonwealth. Jinnah retorted, "of course, just as I intended to you that Pakistan would wish to remain within the Commonwealth.
Maryville met with Nehru on May 27 and "I asked him how he viewed and independent Bengal. He reacted strongly and said there was no chance of a of the Hindus. There agreeing to put themselves under permanent Muslim domination, which was what the proposed agreement really meant to. He did not, ruled out the possibility of the whole of Bengal, joining up with Hindustan."
One cannot deny, that the British interests would indeed have liked this proposition. As they are always done, but that was no reason for Jinnah to agree to a united India without any constitutional guarantees. What has happened in Kashmir is there for everyone to see, we also know how systematically, the Muslims in India are being persecuted. Having said that, I would love to see India and Pakistan being friends and have a kind of European Union within the subcontinent. But I do not think it will happen in my lifetime. L
Finally a logic 👏👏👏
Keep it up bro ☺️
What kind of constitutional guarantees Pakistan offered for its majority ? Indeed in India minorities enjoy better constitutional rights than majority in Pakistan could offer. If I have to talk specifically, India welcomes meritocracy than religious beliefs. India produced, Muslim president, Sikh PM & President. One of air force Marshal was Muslim, Lt General of army was a Muslim.
We have won U-19 cricket world cup won under Md Kaif. One of the top billionaire in India is Azim Premji ... list is never ending.
You are referring to Kashmir, but then conveniently I have noticed Pakistani think tank ignores exodus of Kashmiri Pandits. I got to know first hand atrocities occurred to Hindus in Kashmir valley during Jan 1990 insurgency; not from one but at least 3 people in my contacts.
History had proved religious divide never helped in the prosperity of civilization.
As an interesting fact, maybe you might not aware ... Virat Kohli's grandparents migrated to MP in India during 1947. Lets assume then Pakistani establishment behaved in matured way, letting minorities to prosper ... if luck finds its way, he could have been playing from Pakistan. If I have to tell in my immediate ancestors ... there are / used to Muslim neighbours where my grandparents had a house. During 1947 they were in thoughts to migrate to Pakistan. Our seniors convinced them to stay here in India & they are happy of staying back in India.
I have a good reason to believe; Pakistani establishment understands ... only way to keep Pakistan alive is by criticizing Hindus or India; otherwise due to common culture between both the countries; in absence of hate or animosity there is no time borders will easily get melted away.
@@vikramdeshmukh6373 check your article 25(b) of your constitution before questioning Pakistan constitution.
@@theoutpost3608 Just refer to Article 30 in Indian constitution & point me any similarity in Pakistani constitution for the protection & interests of minorities.
Article 25(B) if interpreted excluding Muslim, Christian, Jew worshiping places are treated same. Now what does this mean, their operations are monitored by govt so to avoid siphon age of funds. So far I understand its not applied to other religions ... they are more autonomous.
@@vikramdeshmukh6373 read the explanation 2 of subclause b and tell me what does it tells you.
Please also see dr.Ishtiaq's inter view with Aftab Iqbal in wich he tells about partition and killing started by x british army soldier.
Sir when will your book ''Jinnah'' come in the market?
It's already in buy it from Amazon
Well Done Abbas ! Keep it up
ThANKS. FOR THIS VIDEO.
So late analysis bear no benifit for any one.only wastage of time.
@Nation Builder it is late because no one cared all those years and were busy looking to the future. So now it seems late. Today also if you don't see this after 100 years it will be still late.
Dear Abbas thank you so much for improving my understanding
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Mr Abbas such discussions are nice to know and Pakistanis to know that they have been taught wring history. But point is what next for Pakistan. Good or bad, Pakistan needs to move forward. How will that happen is the key thing.
Sir ap please apni book Urdu ma bh translate kijyega taake Jo English achi na smjh skte hoo wo bh haqaiq janee.
A person like you deceived the freedom cause of Kashmir.
In Round Table Conference, Sir Zafrullah Khan said that if an Indian soldier can sacrifice his life for the protection of British Empire, he can sacrifice his life for his own country India, within the Commonwealth or without the Commonwealth. At that time Ghandi and Nehru were in Jail listening Zafrullah Khan's speech on radio. They admitted to that what they could not say in India, how dare Zafrullah Khan said in London. At this the British Govt agreed to give freedom to India, for which All Indians should be thankful.
Among the largest incidents were Great Calcutta killings in 1946, Bihar and Garmukhteshwar in 1946 after Noakhali riot in East Bengal, the massacre of Muslims in Jammu in 1947, large-scale killing of Muslims following the Operation Polo in Hyderabad, anti-Muslim riots in Kolkata in the aftermath of 1950 Barisal Riots ...
Pakistan need to start everything from scratch, all over again from zero, instead of trying to compete with India or Bangladesh the gov of Pakistan need to focus on its own development
Better if we focus on our own advantage instead of western.
We should do business and better relationships with our neighbors.
And make business with them.
But we only go for wars and pro western policies this is not good for us.
Behtreen, .....very very helpful....
Please historian Mubarak sb
Interview
Ekdam 100% correct on india and Pakistan.
Dr Ishtiak is always a wonderful gentleman. Great interview Abbas. Keep it up. Regards.
Yes dear, I will do whatever is possible to motivate you.Thnks
Ayesha Jalal’s PhD degree should be taken back as she could not prove what she wanted to prove that Jinnah was secular person.
Allama Mashriqi's grandson, Nasim Yousaf (author of many books and articles), was the first one to reveal hidden facts.
1) Hidden Facts Behind British India's Freedom: A Scholarly Look Into Allama Mashraqi and Quaid-E-Azam's Political Conflict (2007)
2) Mahatma Gandhi & My Grandfather, Allama Mashriqi: A Groundbreaking Narrative of India’s Partition (2013)
Peer-reviewed article:
a) "India’s Partition in the Face of Opposition: An Unveiled Perspective" by Scholar & Historian Nasim Yousaf
Published by "Harvard Asia Quarterly" (Spring 2009, Vol XII, No. 2).
b) Khaksar Movement Weekly “Al-Islah’s” Role Toward Freedom
I am on my way to become a reader, finally.........
Great lineage
Great discourse
Brilliant interview thank you Abbas Haider and Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed 👍👍👍
@@AbbasHaidar kush raho maray bhai ❤
"Live honi chahiye na?*....this line sums up his honesty..28.24
Agreed what all said but we must give credit to the Muslim political leadership for making Pakistan.
It is interesting history - A *Cabinet Mission came to India in 1946 in order to discuss the transfer of power from the British government to the Indian political leadership, with the aim of preserving India's unity* and granting its independence - it was a *joint India proposal* of Britain (although before 1947, India was already divided into multiple independent princely states as each state had its own currency, military and independent governmental system) joint India proposal that was offered when Nehru on behalf of Gandhi Jee rejected the prime offer proposed to Indian leadership. *That Mr. Jinnah accepted with exception to ensure minority rights in specific state* As Nehru jee wanted to eat the whole pie, Cabinet Mission prime offer was rejected along with the lame excuses. -- Question is who refused that prime offer of Joint India initially that Britain offered ??
-- Picture is very much clear now
1- Pakistan still part of Communist China and ready to give access to them so called "warm water" theory
2- The fact is till 1947 India was not "Joint India" in true sense -- already divided into multiple independent princely states -- it was not one nation before 1947
3- btw, *now socialist or leftist India is in the hands of Capitalist, not Socialist - Ready to fight on behalf of Capitalist and Imperialist US and UK against the interest of Communist Russia and Communist China*
Ayesha Jalal's historical findings untrue, biased, incorrect.
I want your answer about my confusion.my parents migrated from east Punjab in 1947.and Muslims were killed in east Punjab and their mosques were destroyed but now I see that certain groups like qadyanis living in qadyan and east Punjab were not killed and expelled.did jinah has some agreement for their safety
They were considered muslims till then only when they wiped out all others Sunni Ulema turned against them
After listening to discussion Im quite impressed there are sane people esp Muslims which i didnot expect.
Ye banda Sweden me padhata hai esliye bol pa raha hai. Agar Lahore ya Peshawar University me padhata to ye bat nahi bolta.
A lot of thanks to the scholars of the programme .
I salute you from my heart.pl have some light on then provincial govt of punjab.
Very informed
The British created Pakistan. Yes. Now it is accepted as a well know fact. But since 1947 it is the Americans who have nurtured Pakistan, its army and the country. Without American aid, Pakistan would have ceased to be a military state, and would have gone into an economic mode for development. The billions of dollars that america has poured into Pakistan, mainly in the form of military aid,has created a military mood in the country. It is not exactly Marshall Plan. If tomorrow america stops military aid, remove its bases and insists on an economic path to recovery, Pakistan would be a different country. But america is not going to do that, its obsession with Afghanistan, Al Qaida, muslim radicalism etc etc, would mean more of the same.
We make ourselves fool playing with the words. It is as true as it's that the British divided India simply for disintegration of the Punjab.
@@AbbasHaidar Shukran.
Acha if the British divided Indi. Why didnt Jinnah oppose it. Why was he licking the boots of the British. He could have told he doesnt want a seperate Pakistan. So much of this rot could have been avoided.
You might be knowing that Jinnah the prejudiced one was not alone some others were.equally responsible for this nieusance.
@@dr.mushtaqalivaidya931 chodo na yaar. Abhi kya yeh sab bolna hai. Jo hua bura hua. Bas abhi jitna umar hai shanti se nikal jaayega.
@@prashantkatti118 This is the great 💡
PAKISTAN IS SO MEAN IN BESTOWING NISHAN-E-PAKISTAN ONLY TO MORARJI DESAI WHO ABORTED THE DESTRUCTION OF KAHUTA. ALL THE INDIAN PRIME MINISTERS EXCEPT VAJPAYEE AND MODI DESERVE THIS AWARD FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THE CAUSE OF PAKISTAN.
Abbas Haider
You seem to be a progressive journalist, a hope for a better Pak and a better world.
Otherwise who in Pak would engage with vice voices of the likes of great scholar Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed and other sane assetts.
2K subscribers only shows that truth has only a few followers.
@@AbbasHaidar
Sure buddy.
Let's help spread the light of freedom of expression. Only then the truth can reach to the masses and flourish.
Till now the Pak minds have been fed by the biased and zingoistic version of history to cater to their sentiments, prepared by the Pak establishment.
That's one of the main reasons of their regressive outlook for all other cultures and religions in the World.
I like the the ideology and knowledge of Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed but one thing puts in doubt. Can he speak with this tone in Pakistan?
@@AbbasHaidar Abbas Haider sahib, I am also observing, as the time is getting passed, in recent past thinking-paradigm of common people is getting changed. Though the Pakistan was created on the foundation of ideology of religion, Up till now people were tamed very easily (🙏for word tamed).
Long live Gwandhio!
ASK HIM ABOUT 1930 TO 1937 and how British brought back jinnah....
Abbas sir mara ap ek sawal hai
Good discussion people like you should be in Pakistani politics for better future of India and Pakistan
British created division but gave credit to Jinnah/Gandhi.2.West cannot allow Pakistan to have good relation with Bharat because the whole purpose of creation of Pakistan will be defeated.And Urdu speaking biharis were more enthusiastic about Mecca e Islam.But did it not weaken Muslims as a whole.There would have been 22+22+22 crore Muslims in free British India of today.
Don’t you think that you are creating problem for yourself in Pakistan with your journalism? I wish you all the Good luck.
At 9:50 , who were kicked out by Americans? The Russians or The British Empire?
British empire got taken over by Americans
I know dr.Ishtiaq very well Last time I met him at the anivarsery of major Ishaq.Lahore.kisan mazdore party.
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