Abbas Haider thank you very much for such informed and competent interviewing. With such able and bright young men like you taking the initiative to search the truth and share it with the public, you are playing a historic role. Congratulations and my best wishes to you. I am truly grateful to you for inviting me to speak to you and the public.
Brilliant interview! We need to see such clear historical discussion in the public arena. I have tried to find information, videos and discussion about the Punjab Unionist Party and Khizar Tiwana. But there's barely any information out there. Would it be possible to address this topic some day?
To be able to objectively dissect the historical events, which formed identities of crores of people, requires extraordinary courage in Subcontinent. Kudos to Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Thank you Dr Ishtiaq for bringing to fore a new perspective of Jinnah's personality. I am a huge fan of Jinnah however i understand that The general behaviour is that we make a god out of our hero. Your arguments and facts bring him down to a human level which is the right place for him or for that sake anyone else.
Fantastic conversation. Unbelievable..! I am very pleased to see that people like Mr. Abbas Haider & of course, legendry Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed, gave us a treat to listen the truth of partition, leadership & intent of Jinnah Sahab, Nehru Sahab, Gandhi jee, circumstances...etc to the highest level of truth & courage. Hats off to you both.
@@AbbasHaidar I see...! All the very best man. Not only Pakistan, but whole of subcontinent needs people like you. Truly Appreciate ones again. Take care.
Islam is the only religion which has been rampantly used by their descendents as a political tool.This has hurt the community immensely and no one came forward to speak against it.whoever did was/is persecuted.
Desperately waiting for the 3rd show. Mashallah. After a very long time, i have seen such an informative and constructive program. I hope you two gentlemen will be providing more knowledge to us in coming days. Thank you.
I find myself agreeing to most of the views of Dr. Ishtiaq Sahib. His views about Jinah Sahib, Nehru Sahib and others seem to be most logical and nearer to the truth. Abbas Haidar is also a very good interviewer. Yes, and Fatima Jinnah was not a willing canditate.
Abbas Haider Thanks for arranging Dr Ishtiaq Sir's research based true historical lecture. Lavish Jinnah House still standing in Prestigious Malbar Hill Mumbai.
I am not a researcher of history however the debate on separation of a Muslim state has always been subject of my interest, after gone through this thoughtful statement of Dr Ishtiaq I understand that Congress never wanted to give a piece of land to Muslim minority of Hindustan and GB, for thier future interests, for example to secure thier Capitalism, wanted to divide Hindustan so that Muslim ideology be used to curb socialism, my perception is that leaders of Congress believe that Muslim minority shall always be a cause of concern for independent India besides, Muslim elite of that time, inorder to hold powers, was also interested in an independent Muslim state where they keep on flourishing, thus, Hindus, with the connivance of GB, successfully launched M A Jinnah through Prince Agha Khan as Muslim leader, who was famous for his "GORA" style of living and talent his possess, to ignite Muslim sentiments for demand of a separate land for Muslims, resultantly Hindus of Congress successfully managed to get rid of thier strong rivals. MA Jinnah was a lawyer by profession popular for being a successful lawyer famous for his impressive "Gora like" style but was never a politician who knows psychic of general public. Pakistan now is a land with multiple nations blaming each other for thier miseries, Muslim Elites are the Beneficiaries. It's my theory.
Nehru refused to form a government with muslim league on the basis of them being a party of zamindaars, wo won't allow any progress on the front of land reforms.
Prof ishtiak Ahmad shahab jinnah used religion in extreme form and even direct action but opposite to that Gandhi ji used Ram Raj but never encouraged violent and canceled Non cooperation movement. His policy was modern democratic and secular. So aim and objective was quite different
When Jinnah was offered 1st PM job for united India by Congress as a last attempt to avoid partition, Jinnah said " Hindu should not rule Muslims". This was final rejection by Jinnah. The fact is Hindu is not dominating or ruling Sikh majority Punjab, Muslim majority Kashmir, Buddist majority North east, and Christian majority Goa. It was collective decision by Jinnah, Muslim landlords, Muslim elites, Muslin educated middle class that a separate Muslim country would give them better opportunity. The ultimate "Boss" , Great Briton could have rejected easily as Muslim League was small unit. But, Briton believed Pakistan will obey British after 1947 and somehow approved partition and Pakistan was created . As an Indian, I feel Creation of Pakistan was correct in 1947. Now, It does not look good for both India & Pakistan. Today, More man population means more wealth, bigger market, larger business, ultimate economic super power. China has done that . Pakistanis never used to discuss partition & compare with Indians in the past. Rather, Pakistanis were comparing their ethnicity with Turkey, Iran & Arabia. Since India has streamlined its economic policies to become economic power, Pakistanis are comparing India & discussing partition. Now Pakistan has 2 options: 1. Convert LOC into International border and work with India for economic progress of both countries 2. Merge with India to take part in overall development of the Great India & glorious past. Pakistan can not continue Proxy war with India in Kashmir for long time.
Fascinating discussion throughput. Yet to listen to part 3 & 4. Not a single boring moment. High marks to both participants. I am curious about the 3 years Jinnah spent in England. In fact I am curious about the 6 months before he departed to England and then the 6 months prior to his return to India. His activities would shed a lot of light on his person and history. He must have had a social circle in England, who themselves (their writing and leaning) could provide an insight into Jinnah’s mind. For such a Westernized man, such a principled and disciplined man having no clue of religion, to use Islam for political purposes and someone who was not known to have great emotional connection to the lower class suffering Muslims, there must be other reasons why he took up the mantle to lead Muslims of India to a separate homeland. Very puzzling and intriguing
Excellent interview. I really like and appreciate that you let the guest speak more. Asked very intelligent and thought provoking questions but not seeking the answers that feed any existing position or bias. Keep it up. Waiting for next parts.
Prior to partition, Bombay Pathology was confirmed but not disclosed on his advise that he was suffering from Tuberculosis. If he avoided partition then India is Economic Super Power today & Minorities may be main rulers in India these days. He ruined future of Muslims, Minorities & Sub continent by dividing India.
very intelligent and well prepared questions..thanks to dr ishtiaq ahmed who has unfolded the hidden parts oh history which had never been revealed earlier by any writer..keep it up
In comparison between Jinnah and Nehru. Jinnah was a pragmatist and Nehru an idealist. Jinnah had a deep core belief from the very get-go that the Muslims and Muslim culture would not accept being dominated by Hindus. He struggled with finding a compromise within united India.Ultimately he realized that it was not feasible and he came around to the idea of a partition. The idea of partition suited the British for many many reasons also.And also because that is what they have done throughout history. Jinnah being an astute lawyer and a politician understood that.And in fact ultimately decided to manipulate that fact to the advantage of the Indian Muslims. But I do think that Jinnah sincerely believed that India and Pakistan would be more like the US and Canada and not hostile countries as they turned out to be.
Professor KK AZEEZ says that prime ministership of Pakistan was first offered to Nawab Hameed ullah khan of Bhopal but he refused then it was offered to Nawab of Nawab of Bahawalpur he also refused Liaqat Ali khan was the third choice
A very well arranged interview with sir ishtiaq Ahmed host Abbas has done good set of questionnaire, I want to know about Azad Muslim Conference held in April 1940.
Till 1920 Mr Jinnah was working with Tilak and other right wing people in congress around Mumbai Pune although he joined league by 1913. To call Jinnah non religious is wrong because the Khoja Islam of Jinnah was much different then the wahabi / Deobandi / Barelvi Islam. Gandhi returned to India in 1915. By 1921 with Gandhiji coming in mainstream of congress politics.that sidelined Jinnah and other tall leaders of congress and other parties. So they founded alternate voice to Gandhi.
I think both were two parts of same coin. Jinnah was not a religious man but used religion to attain top position similarly Nehru life style was anti thesis of Gandhi life style but fallowed him to get top position in India government.
abbas sab fully try to prove jinah as a bad personality i don't know why comparison between jinah and nehru is a fail idea because jinah didn't get much time comapre to nehru after partion. at that time jinah was the only one iron man in muslim league which admitted in the interview but nehru advantaged had a great panel of wise peoples.
@@AbbasHaidar i request you to write a book on him or pay homage to him he was one of the leading founders of pakistan his son jagdish mandal is still alive he lives in kolkata
Creation of Pakistan is miracle and Blessing by Allah Qaid -E -Azam was selected by Allah to make this country like many other great works are taken by Allah using those who are either Non Muslims or Non believers .I think i have seen this Railway Wagon which is there in Pakistan In Gora Railway station. we can note the happening of century against Ahmadis who were declared Non Muslims by ZA Bhuttoo who was like Jinnah .
@@RiteshKumar-vq6ow Bangladesh was created as result of Conspiracy by Indians however it turned as good Muslim state and India got nothing and Muslims of bangal go independence
@@AbdulHafeez-cq6oo pakistan is because of Allah and Bangladesh is because of India conspiracy. Why so much hypocrisy. See this video from ur famous historian czcams.com/video/3khB52P6TDY/video.html
OK MOST OF A TIME I THOUGHT THAT FOR ME IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A SMALL HOUSE FOR ME AND MY FAMSLLY BUT HOW QUIDE COULD BE ABLE TO MADE A COUNTERY LIKE PAKISTAN AMOUNG SO MANY ENEMAY DIFFICULITY.AMAZING FROM HUNDU BANAY.AND FORSEEN FUTER.HE SAID TO ALLMA IQBAL IN LANDON WHEN ALAMA REQUST TO COME BACK HE SAID HUNDO ARE NA KABLA ISHALA AND MUSLAM DO NOT KEEP SECURET. HE CAME BACK AND DONE GREAT JOB FOR THE MUSLAMS AND DID NOT SE BACK TO ACHEVE PAKISTAN. GANDE OFFER HIM TO MAKE PM BUT HE REFUSE WHO GAVE THIS WASDM TO HIM I AM SURE ITS ALMIGHTY ALLAH..
An illogical statement to start the whole talk. If Muhammad Ali jnnah was pro-british why did he supported the Palestinian Movement of Mufti Amin Al Hussaini against the british. Many resolution in Pakistan Movement were passed for Palestine state against the Israel and British. Secondly, MA Jinnah was offered many times the PM ship of Whole india by British and by Gandhi, He was declined those offers. MA Jinnah declined the governor general ship of Lord Mountbatten in Pakistan and Indian Congress accepted him as thier first governor general. MA Jinnah swore in as GG of Pakistan and the very british colonial Lord, Mountbatten sworn in as the GG of modern India. And there are many other logical explanation and historical facts that will prove these conspiracy theories wrong ! Next time ask him the answers of these questions and the books British wrote on Jinnah. You are my brother if you want those books and research papers, I can get them delivered to you !
A man like Jinnah should be judged in the context of situation but if situation is fabricated and the fabricator is one to whom Jinnah was obliged.Now,where the happenings in india is to be blamed.
A great leader has to accept and honours each and every sect and every religion of his provincial states thereby promoting their various culture. Constitution of every country should have equal status for all and freedom of democracy. No favours and importance to religious majority.They can attain power by ballot but to respect and honours all religions and sect by Head of state.mohd.ali.jinnah fought for freedom but when achieving independence of India, he was in favour of his religion and its people alone by partitioning India.His biggest blunder boosted by Winston Churchill of UK. After getting part of India as newly stated as Pakistan which has also 5000 years cultural heritage.After partition of India,we witnessed massacre and genocide. Puraana pachhim Indian most temples were demolished and Hindus were forcefully converted to Islam was act of jinnah who was Gujrati Hindu converted to islam.so many Hindus were driven out of Pakistan is miserable history.Pakistan has also have Hindu cultural traditions for 5000 years was not at all honored by Pakistan governments since 1947.
From Mir Jaffar to Muhammad Ali Jinah all used by the hand of English people. The others gained the money and benefits and gone aside but Muhammad Ali Jinah made the source for ever to English people. It was the cause of Russian war and then Afghan war. Still Pak is just colony of Amercia.
I don't know about leader but he was a bigger liar than Nehru. Itne saare Muslims ko bevkoof banana asaan nhi. But Kya kare Muslims have stopped using their mind long ago about tenth century.
its so frustrating to see.. why _jinnah had to be British's Pawn.. informing British like their agent. in 1931... Congress was fighting for freedom for all.. _congress gave as much as possible to him even offered a fifty percentage participation via Maulana Azaad..what more he wanted..its such a shame when one intelligent Indian becomes British's agent...and works against the genuine freedom struggle of Indians.. Millions died due to partisan..Did Jinnah ever took responsibility for these innocents life lost.. he just flared up the religious extremism..and turned humans into qaatils of fellow Indians.. I can digest Pakistan creation but millions people killed..millions lost home..all because of one selfish man.. :-(... If religion was a true uniting thing then.. Bangladesh wouldn't have been created.. his whole idea of religion as a nation is a lie.
Hame pata hay partition Angrezon ko sazish thi lakin yahi Pakistan ab sab k halk me kantey ki tarah phasa hua hay. Indeed Allah is the best planner Pakistan zindabad
Quaid e Azam , the leader who changed the World.... ...To judge stature of a personality, it is important to know what the adversaries and competitors say about the qualities of that person. Mrs. Vijay Lakshmi Pundit, a prominent figure and Nehru’s sister, stated, “If the Muslim League had 100 Gandhis and 200 Azads and Congress had only one Jinnah, then India would not have been divided!” The statement reflects the bare fact that it was only Jinnah who fought the case of Muslim nationhood in India and won it through the force of arguments
Old man lost his mind Pakistan ka matlab kia was muslim league slogan and Quaid came later in Muslim league when he realized that Congress is only for Hindus than he fought for muslims rights and made Pakistan
ap jahan rehtay houn ap ko dekhna hota hey keh us country kay log aik nasal say belong kertay hein aor woh kitnay waqat say us khitay mein reh rahay hein aor kia woh log bura waqat anay per foreign invaders say jang lertay hein aour kia woh apnay logoun ka defence kertay hein yeh sub kusch hindustan kay log kertay thay to phir taqseem to dushman hee kia kertay hein rana pakistan
Sardar Jee! in your words, the "secular "laWYer (not laywer)" is intelligent, you assign such exceptional qualities to a person and then add, " but end up comedy circle of reality" these are two different, not the same qualities you juxtaposed.
اشتیاق احمد صاحب کے اس انٹریو کو سُن کر مجھے “ مرحوم جون ایلیا صاحب کے وہ سنہری اقتباسات یاد آگئے جو انہوں نے “لینن کے مجسمہ کے گرائے جانے کے واقع پر کہہ تھے کے فوج کہیں کی بھی ہو وہ پنجابی ہی ہوتی ہے👽🇵🇰👽 اشتیاق احمد صاحب سے کوئی پوچھے کے کون ڈان نیوز کو مُستند اور دُرست مانتا ہے! وہ خود ہی اپنی بات کی نفی کرتے ہوئے نظر آرہے تھے کے “ لیاقت علی خان کو مُحّمد علی جناح نے خود مُنتخب کیا تھا تو وہ کیسے انکی بے عزتی کرتے ہونگیں۔۔ تاریخ دان لکھتے ہیں کے لیاقت علی خان پر اسلام کا بھوت فوج نے چڑھا دیا تھا!!! فاطمہ جناح کے متعلق انکی باتیں مُحّمد علی جناح ہر لکھی جانے والی انکی کتاب کو مشکوک بنارہی تھی !! میرے نُقطعہ نظر کے حساب سے۔۔ آج اشتیاق احمد صاحب کا علم کا معیار اور طارق فتح صاحب کا علم میعار بلکل ایک ہی School of thought کا نظر آیا🗣 دُنیا جانتی ہے ہر تاریخ دان BIAS ہوتا ہے!! ورنہ آج مُسلمانوں میں ہی مُختلف مکاتب فکر کو ماننے والے موجود نہ ہوں۔ مُحّمد علی جناح یا تقسیم ہند جیسے تاریخ ساز موضوعات پر بے حساب کتابیں لکھیں جاچکی ہیں!! آج کتنے لوگ نہرو کو تقسم ہند کا مُجرم مانتے ہیں کتنے لوگ نہرو گاندھی مُحّمد علی جناح جو انگریزوں کا ایجنٹ سمجھتے ہیں ۔۔ آج حضرت مُحّمد صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کے وصال کے حالات کو مُختلف انداز سے تحریر کرتے ہیں اور سب اپنے اپنے طور پر اسکو مُختلف ثبوت کی روشنی میں دُرست سمجھتے ہیں کوئی یہ سمجھتا ہے کے اہل بیت پر ظُلم ہوا تھا کوئی سمجھتا ہے سب کچھ بہت افہام تفہیم سے طے پایا تھا۔۔ اشتیاق احمد صاحب کے آج کے انٹریو میں مُحّمد علی جناح کے لیے ان کے اندر موجود تعصب بہت ابھر کر سامنے آیا ہے۔۔ خیر ایک پنجابی تاریخ دان کو جیسا ہونا چاہیے تھا مُحّمد علی جناح کے لیے “پروفیسر اشتیاق احمد صاحب اس معیار پر پورا اُتر رہے تھے۔۔ شُکر بھیجیں انہوں نے مولانہ طارق جمیل کی طرح محمد علی جناح کو ساہیوال کا پنجابی بتا کر انکی انگلیوں سے شہد کو نہیں ٹپکا دیا🤦🏻♀️
ye admi bohat biased he; har kisi ko khush karne ka hunr gandhi me tha jinnah mein nhn...ambedkar ne gandhi ke two-faced nature ko bbc interview mein achi tarah se expose kiya he!
I have replied earlier and am repeating it again and if this time it is removed or deleted I will complain to CZcams for this censorship being exercised against me. Look Qurrat ul ain Zehra, I really wonder what have you read apart from Pakistan Studies. About Ambedkar exposing Gandhi. Yes, as a bitter man born among the Dalits he had genuine complaints against Hinduism and upper caste Hindus. However, the Gandhi - Ambedkar Poona Pact agreed in 1932 was a commitment given by Gandhi that in free India seats and representations will be reserved for Dalits in accordance with their population strength: 15% pluse 8.5% for Adivasis or tribal people. That agreement has been incorporated into the Indian Constitution. In fact reservations have expanded not contracted and now applies even to OBCs or Other Backward Castes. A Dalit intellectual and Academic class now exists in all universities and challenges Hindu supremacist ideas. Equally on the basis of one man one vote Madam Mayawati a Dalit lady has been elected 4 times as the chief minister of UP, whose population is equal to that of Pakistan. India has had at least 2 Dalit presidents including the current one, several chief justices and many diplomats. Also, Zehra do you know it was the Indian National Congress which on the advice of Gandhi appointed Ambedkar as the Chairman of the Constitution Drafting Committee. Otherwise Amedkar had only one vote, he along elected and that too from East Bengal and not his own constituency. ALL OTHER DALITS ELECTED TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY OF INDIA WERE ON CONGRESS TICKET. Now, what you have never certainly read is that Ambedkar turned to Jinnah who shunned him by saying the Dalits must struggle for their rights but separately. He would support them but to form a party with Dalits and Dravidians was rejected by Jinnah. AFTER THAT AMBEDKAR TURNED AGAINST THE DEMAND FOR PAKISTAN AND WROTE THE MOST VITIATING CRITICISM OF ISLAM AND MUSLIMS AS A CLOSE GROUP LIKE MAFIA. People outside it were not part of the Islamic idea of brotherhood; on the contrary all others were Kafirs and worth nothing. He went on to declare Islam as the most oppressive religion with regard to women and also the most resistant religion to reform. DO SOME ORIGINAL READING OF AMBEDKAR'S 1945 EDITION OF HIS BOOK IN WHICH HE REJECTS PAKISTAN AND CRITIQUES ISLAM TO THE MOST LASHING COMMENTS. As always you rely on third rate propaganda rather than reading the original works of the man you are invoking to damn Gandhi. Mahatma Gandhi saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Calcutta because on 15 August 1947 he was sitting among them and not in Delhi to take part in celebrations. Then in Septmember later he save the lives of thousands of traumatized Muslims who had taken refuge in the Purana Qila. Do read Dr Ishtiaq Hussain Qureshi, vice chancellor of Karachi university and Federal Education Minister of Pakistan. He was from Delhi and has narrated how Gandhiji helped saved the lives of Muslims. Chaudhri Mohammad Ali, Pakistan Prime Minister (1955-56) has in his book, The Emergence of Pakistan, written in glorious words Gandhiji's services in forcing the Indian Government to pay Pakistan Rs. 55 crore as its share of British colonial treasury which then led to his assassination at the hands of Hindu fanatics. No Muslim killed him but fanatical Hindus who alleged he was pro-Muslim and pro-Pakistan. Do some reading before you start writing ill-informed childish comments which are superficial standard propaganda.
No only Jinnah. Majority renowned Islamic scholars were against partition . They thought partition will divide Muslims of subcontinent. Allama Mashraqi ,one of the top Islamic scholar of his time run the movement to stop partition. The biggest Sunni Deoband who fought against British ( Jamiat Ulmah Hind) was against partition.
Mr Ishtiaq is talking in door.He shoul come in public meeting and talk to dominate his openion.It is not appropriate to criticise last 73 years stories true and false to disturb new generation againt the emotions of mulim pakistani. Mr Ishtiaq u are nothing urself and criticising high dignities. That is wrong.QaudeAzam was what ,He was an undisputed leader who have large No.of qualities.but u have nothing ,playing in the hand of enemies of pakistan. Stop. Stop. Stop.stop. stop.
Abbas Haider thank you very much for such informed and competent interviewing. With such able and bright young men like you taking the initiative to search the truth and share it with the public, you are playing a historic role. Congratulations and my best wishes to you. I am truly grateful to you for inviting me to speak to you and the public.
Brilliant interview! We need to see such clear historical discussion in the public arena.
I have tried to find information, videos and discussion about the Punjab Unionist Party and Khizar Tiwana. But there's barely any information out there. Would it be possible to address this topic some day?
Thank you Sir for bringing up real history.
@@ImranKhan-iz8gi I am delighted that you liked our discussion, thank you.
I will definitely love to read this book.. It looks so interesting.. Thank you sir..
Sir u r great person. I admire you and you are unbiased historian in whole south Asia
تاریخ کے پنّوں کو نئے پرسپیکٹیو اور جراتمندانہ سوالوں سے کھولنے پر شاباش عباس 👍
Bacha khan spent his whole life in service of humanity but nobody remembers him....what a paradox.
To be able to objectively dissect the historical events, which formed identities of crores of people, requires extraordinary courage in Subcontinent.
Kudos to Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Fully agreed..!!!
Thank you Dr Ishtiaq for bringing to fore a new perspective of Jinnah's personality. I am a huge fan of Jinnah however i understand that The general behaviour is that we make a god out of our hero. Your arguments and facts bring him down to a human level which is the right place for him or for that sake anyone else.
Abbas jiger seriously i am amzed with ur patience and sensibilty with ur questions, we should have u as a host in our talk shows
Fantastic conversation. Unbelievable..!
I am very pleased to see that people like Mr. Abbas Haider & of course, legendry Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed, gave us a treat to listen the truth of partition, leadership & intent of Jinnah Sahab, Nehru Sahab, Gandhi jee, circumstances...etc to the highest level of truth & courage. Hats off to you both.
@@AbbasHaidar Yes, I have already :) & lots of love to you & your team from India.
@@AbbasHaidar I see...! All the very best man. Not only Pakistan, but whole of subcontinent needs people like you. Truly Appreciate ones again. Take care.
Analysis of Jinnah shows that when a normal Muslim turns communal Islamist, you never know.
Jinnah was an atheist, he just used Islamism. Maybe he had a tribalistic loyalty to his community.
Islam is the only religion which has been rampantly used by their descendents as a political tool.This has hurt the community immensely and no one came forward to speak against it.whoever did was/is persecuted.
analysis of jinnah's life shows that the hindu brahman attitude can turn the ambassador of hindu-muslim unity to a communal leader..
Desperately waiting for the 3rd show. Mashallah. After a very long time, i have seen such an informative and constructive program. I hope you two gentlemen will be providing more knowledge to us in coming days. Thank you.
@@AbbasHaidar already subsribed. 🙃🙂❤
@@AbbasHaidar well done . You are really doing a great job. Thanks for the vedio
So much of clarity and honesty. I appreciate your intelligence and diligence.
Jinnah divided Muslims of the subcontinent.
Dr Ishtiaq Ahemed seems well-read and well informed!
I find myself agreeing to most of the views of Dr. Ishtiaq Sahib. His views about Jinah Sahib, Nehru Sahib and others seem to be most logical and nearer to the truth. Abbas Haidar is also a very good interviewer. Yes, and Fatima Jinnah was not a willing canditate.
Nehru was successful in making india a secular state but jinnah failed as a secular leader
how successful was he?? in the current period..i think both failed equally
*Because of Modi now all Nehru's efforts have gone down the drain, so Indians can't call their state secular when muslims are persecuted*
Abbas Haider Thanks for arranging Dr Ishtiaq Sir's research based true historical lecture. Lavish Jinnah House still standing in Prestigious Malbar Hill Mumbai.
I am not a researcher of history however the debate on separation of a Muslim state has always been subject of my interest, after gone through this thoughtful statement of Dr Ishtiaq I understand that Congress never wanted to give a piece of land to Muslim minority of Hindustan and GB, for thier future interests, for example to secure thier Capitalism, wanted to divide Hindustan so that Muslim ideology be used to curb socialism, my perception is that leaders of Congress believe that Muslim minority shall always be a cause of concern for independent India besides, Muslim elite of that time, inorder to hold powers, was also interested in an independent Muslim state where they keep on flourishing, thus, Hindus, with the connivance of GB, successfully launched M A Jinnah through Prince Agha Khan as Muslim leader, who was famous for his "GORA" style of living and talent his possess, to ignite Muslim sentiments for demand of a separate land for Muslims, resultantly Hindus of Congress successfully managed to get rid of thier strong rivals.
MA Jinnah was a lawyer by profession popular for being a successful lawyer famous for his impressive "Gora like" style but was never a politician who knows psychic of general public.
Pakistan now is a land with multiple nations blaming each other for thier miseries, Muslim Elites are the Beneficiaries. It's my theory.
Nehru refused to form a government with muslim league on the basis of them being a party of zamindaars, wo won't allow any progress on the front of land reforms.
Prof ishtiak Ahmad shahab jinnah used religion in extreme form and even direct action but opposite to that Gandhi ji used Ram Raj but never encouraged violent and canceled Non cooperation movement. His policy was modern democratic and secular. So aim and objective was quite different
When Jinnah was offered 1st PM job for united India by Congress as a last attempt to avoid partition, Jinnah said " Hindu should not rule Muslims". This was final rejection by Jinnah.
The fact is Hindu is not dominating or ruling Sikh majority Punjab, Muslim majority Kashmir, Buddist majority North east, and Christian majority Goa.
It was collective decision by Jinnah, Muslim landlords, Muslim elites, Muslin educated middle class that a separate Muslim country would give them better opportunity.
The ultimate "Boss" , Great Briton could have rejected easily as Muslim League was small unit. But, Briton believed Pakistan will obey British after 1947 and somehow approved partition and Pakistan was created .
As an Indian, I feel Creation of Pakistan was correct in 1947. Now, It does not look good for both India & Pakistan.
Today, More man population means more wealth, bigger market, larger business, ultimate economic super power.
China has done that .
Pakistanis never used to discuss partition & compare with Indians in the past. Rather, Pakistanis were comparing their ethnicity with Turkey, Iran & Arabia.
Since India has streamlined its economic policies to become economic power, Pakistanis are comparing India & discussing partition.
Now Pakistan has 2 options:
1. Convert LOC into International border and work with India for economic progress of both countries
2. Merge with India to take part in overall development of the Great India & glorious past.
Pakistan can not continue Proxy war with India in Kashmir for long time.
Fascinating discussion throughput. Yet to listen to part 3 & 4. Not a single boring moment. High marks to both participants. I am curious about the 3 years Jinnah spent in England. In fact I am curious about the 6 months before he departed to England and then the 6 months prior to his return to India. His activities would shed a lot of light on his person and history. He must have had a social circle in England, who themselves (their writing and leaning) could provide an insight into Jinnah’s mind. For such a Westernized man, such a principled and disciplined man having no clue of religion, to use Islam for political purposes and someone who was not known to have great emotional connection to the lower class suffering Muslims, there must be other reasons why he took up the mantle to lead Muslims of India to a separate homeland. Very puzzling and intriguing
Excellent interview. I really like and appreciate that you let the guest speak more. Asked very intelligent and thought provoking questions but not seeking the answers that feed any existing position or bias. Keep it up. Waiting for next parts.
First time heard such an honest factual narrative of history of subcontinent .Thank you so much .
Prof ishtiyaque ko salam
Prior to partition, Bombay Pathology was confirmed but not disclosed on his advise that he was suffering from Tuberculosis. If he avoided partition then India is Economic Super Power today & Minorities may be main rulers in India these days. He ruined future of Muslims, Minorities & Sub continent by dividing India.
What an amazing interview thank you Abbas Haider and Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed 👍👍👍
In 90s my childhood I watched a Drama on Muhammad Ali Jinnah, "Jinnah se Quaid e Azam" and in 20s for me he's now "Quaid e Azam se Jinnah" 😂😂😂
India is secular & modern country because of visionary Jawaharlal Nehru. Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed is unbiased, neutral & highly knowledgeable Historian.
but in bollywood. lol
Abbas read about nehru.
He was a genius in true terms.
There is no comparision between jinnah and nehru
very intelligent and well prepared questions..thanks to dr ishtiaq ahmed who has unfolded the hidden parts oh history which had never been revealed earlier by any writer..keep it up
Thank u Abas Bhai..it is interesting
In comparison between Jinnah and Nehru.
Jinnah was a pragmatist and Nehru an idealist.
Jinnah had a deep core belief from the very get-go that the Muslims and Muslim culture would not accept being dominated by Hindus.
He struggled with finding a compromise within united India.Ultimately he realized that it was not feasible and he came around to the idea of a partition.
The idea of partition suited the British for many many reasons also.And also because that is what they have done throughout history.
Jinnah being an astute lawyer and a politician understood that.And in fact ultimately decided to manipulate that fact to the advantage of the Indian Muslims.
But I do think that Jinnah sincerely believed that India and Pakistan would be more like the US and Canada and not hostile countries as they turned out to be.
Jinnah'a funeral was performed according to sunni rites despite the fact he was a shia
Ha. Kyunki Pakistan ek Sunni dominant mulk hai
Sir kundan lal gaba.. after partition shifted to India. He died in penury in Mumbai. No info what happened with his family.
@ Vineet Sing Gusain He was Kanhiya Lal Gaba or Khalid Latif Gaba Not Kundan Lal Gaba.
@@shahidminhas1682 okk
You are a true scholar , sir.
Dr इश्तियाक अहमद जी क्या यह किताब हिंदी में उपलब्ध है
Mr Abbas. although History is cruel, but always truth.
Professor KK AZEEZ says that prime ministership of Pakistan was first offered to Nawab Hameed ullah khan of Bhopal but he refused then it was offered to Nawab of Nawab of Bahawalpur he also refused
Liaqat Ali khan was the third choice
A very well arranged interview with sir ishtiaq Ahmed host Abbas has done good set of questionnaire, I want to know about Azad Muslim Conference held in April 1940.
Great man De Ahmed 👌👌
Respect from India.
Hats off to prof ishtiyaque
As-Salaamu Alaikum!
Sir,please can you share the names of Professor's books? Thanks
A very different and unbiased analysis of the indopak History....Dr Sb will your new book available in Pakistan?
Till 1920 Mr Jinnah was working with Tilak and other right wing people in congress around Mumbai Pune although he joined league by 1913. To call Jinnah non religious is wrong because the Khoja Islam of Jinnah was much different then the wahabi / Deobandi / Barelvi Islam. Gandhi returned to India in 1915. By 1921 with Gandhiji coming in mainstream of congress politics.that sidelined Jinnah and other tall leaders of congress and other parties. So they founded alternate voice to Gandhi.
Watching one episode each day before sleeping ♥️ good work bro
Well done Abbas haider. Good to see this vedio from India.
A great historian.
Very nice interview.
Thank you Abbas bhai.
Great! Maza arha hai is discusssion main
Ishtiaq sirko mera salam. From Dhaka, Bangladesh.
Can someone give the name of third book on Jinnah?
Tremendous professor sab🙏
I think both were two parts of same coin. Jinnah was not a religious man but used religion to attain top position similarly Nehru life style was anti thesis of Gandhi life style but fallowed him to get top position in India government.
abbas sab fully try to prove jinah as a bad personality i don't know why
comparison between jinah and nehru is a fail idea because jinah didn't get much time comapre to nehru after partion.
at that time jinah was the only one iron man in muslim league which admitted in the interview but nehru advantaged had a great panel of wise peoples.
Thanks for honest discussion 🙏
Where is part 1 of this interview?
Thank you abbas ji for this video
@@AbbasHaidar download a video about jogendranath mandal who was betrayed by pakistan and he returned back to india in 1950
@@AbbasHaidar how many pakistanis know him today in india crores of indians still remember him
@@AbbasHaidar i request you to write a book on him or pay homage to him he was one of the leading founders of pakistan his son jagdish mandal is still alive he lives in kolkata
@@AbbasHaidar when caa protests were going on in india our prime minister mentioned his name
@@AbbasHaidar how can pakistanis forget him he supported jinnah despite stiff opposition from bhim rao ambedkar
Mr. Abbas u r very decent n wise.
Creation of Pakistan is miracle and Blessing by Allah Qaid -E -Azam was selected by Allah to make this country like many other great works are taken by Allah using those who are either Non Muslims or Non believers .I think i have seen this Railway Wagon which is there in Pakistan In Gora Railway station. we can note the happening of century against Ahmadis who were declared Non Muslims by ZA Bhuttoo who was like Jinnah .
Creation of Bangladesh was selected by Allah
@@RiteshKumar-vq6ow Bangladesh was created as result of Conspiracy by Indians however it turned as good Muslim state and India got nothing and Muslims of bangal go independence
@@AbdulHafeez-cq6oo pakistan is because of Allah and Bangladesh is because of India conspiracy.
Why so much hypocrisy.
See this video from ur famous historian
czcams.com/video/3khB52P6TDY/video.html
@@RiteshKumar-vq6ow very well said.
More to Follow.
Why did Jinnah's children not move to Pakistan ?
What is the name of this book?
Sir Majority of Pakistan people was pover but on the other hand Hindu was rich
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT
OK MOST OF A TIME I THOUGHT THAT FOR ME IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A SMALL HOUSE FOR ME AND MY FAMSLLY BUT HOW QUIDE COULD BE ABLE TO MADE A COUNTERY LIKE PAKISTAN AMOUNG SO MANY ENEMAY DIFFICULITY.AMAZING FROM HUNDU BANAY.AND FORSEEN FUTER.HE SAID TO ALLMA IQBAL IN LANDON WHEN ALAMA REQUST TO COME BACK HE SAID HUNDO ARE NA KABLA ISHALA AND MUSLAM DO NOT KEEP SECURET. HE CAME BACK AND DONE GREAT JOB FOR THE MUSLAMS AND DID NOT SE BACK TO ACHEVE PAKISTAN. GANDE OFFER HIM TO MAKE PM BUT HE REFUSE WHO GAVE THIS WASDM TO HIM I AM SURE ITS ALMIGHTY ALLAH..
Then how nehru is on the ahead than jinnah
Quaid e Azam ❤❤❤
👍
Agar Nehru jinnah ko PM post offer karte toh aaj india pakistan Bangladesh ek hota.sob leader ko power sahiye tha.
An illogical statement to start the whole talk.
If Muhammad Ali jnnah was pro-british why did he supported the Palestinian Movement of Mufti Amin Al Hussaini against the british. Many resolution in Pakistan Movement were passed for Palestine state against the Israel and British.
Secondly, MA Jinnah was offered many times the PM ship of Whole india by British and by Gandhi, He was declined those offers.
MA Jinnah declined the governor general ship of Lord Mountbatten in Pakistan and Indian Congress accepted him as thier first governor general. MA Jinnah swore in as GG of Pakistan and the very british colonial Lord, Mountbatten sworn in as the GG of modern India.
And there are many other logical explanation and historical facts that will prove these conspiracy theories wrong !
Next time ask him the answers of these questions and the books British wrote on Jinnah. You are my brother if you want those books and research papers, I can get them delivered to you !
A man like Jinnah should be judged in the context of situation but if situation is fabricated and the fabricator is one to whom Jinnah was obliged.Now,where the happenings in india is to be blamed.
Any how,congratulation to both the scholars.
A great leader has to accept and honours each and every sect and every religion of his provincial states thereby promoting their various culture. Constitution of every country should have equal status for all and freedom of democracy. No favours and importance to religious majority.They can attain power by ballot but to respect and honours all religions and sect by Head of state.mohd.ali.jinnah fought for freedom but when achieving independence of India, he was in favour of his religion and its people alone by partitioning India.His biggest blunder boosted by Winston Churchill of UK. After getting part of India as newly stated as Pakistan which has also 5000 years cultural heritage.After partition of India,we witnessed massacre and genocide. Puraana pachhim Indian most temples were demolished and Hindus were forcefully converted to Islam was act of jinnah who was Gujrati Hindu converted to islam.so many Hindus were driven out of Pakistan is miserable history.Pakistan has also have Hindu cultural traditions for 5000 years was not at all honored by Pakistan governments since 1947.
Pakistan banana Bhart ke liye behtar tha, Pakistan ke liye bura.
From Mir Jaffar to Muhammad Ali Jinah all used by the hand of English people. The others gained the money and benefits and gone aside but Muhammad Ali Jinah made the source for ever to English people. It was the cause of Russian war and then Afghan war. Still Pak is just colony of Amercia.
Baluchistan, KPK and Sindh are colonies of Punjab.
It is very easy to blame Mr Jinnah for partition main reason for partition was congress they were true agent of birtish y
Read the book of jaswant sing he said Jinnah was bigger leader than Nahro
I don't know about leader but he was a bigger liar than Nehru. Itne saare Muslims ko bevkoof banana asaan nhi. But Kya kare Muslims have stopped using their mind long ago about tenth century.
@@shivalithakur4067 true
Leader-vo hai jo sabko sath leke chale.
Jinnah to kuch gadhon ko apne sath le gaye the.😂😂
It is easier to fool people than to convince people that they have been fooled.
Why no talk about Jinnah running away with daughter of his best friend - 16 year younger than him.
Means u dont blv in love marriages at 18 age ?
Jinnah Saab = Anakin Skywalker.
All is filth he was a true leader
he was British dog
its so frustrating to see.. why _jinnah had to be British's Pawn.. informing British like their agent. in 1931... Congress was fighting for freedom for all.. _congress gave as much as possible to him even offered a fifty percentage participation via Maulana Azaad..what more he wanted..its such a shame when one intelligent Indian becomes British's agent...and works against the genuine freedom struggle of Indians.. Millions died due to partisan..Did Jinnah ever took responsibility for these innocents life lost.. he just flared up the religious extremism..and turned humans into qaatils of fellow Indians.. I can digest Pakistan creation but millions people killed..millions lost home..all because of one selfish man.. :-(... If religion was a true uniting thing then.. Bangladesh wouldn't have been created.. his whole idea of religion as a nation is a lie.
Jinnah kept his home in Bombay intact thinking that he will be able to come to Bombay...
Wrong
Hame pata hay partition Angrezon ko sazish thi lakin yahi Pakistan ab sab k halk me kantey ki tarah phasa hua hay.
Indeed Allah is the best planner
Pakistan zindabad
bhaijaan kon si afeem lete ho..
Indeed english are planner of best planner 😂 😂 😂
Ye Jo guest he kia yee pagil (mentel) hey
he was british dog
Quaid e Azam , the leader who changed the World....
...To judge stature of a personality, it is important to know what the adversaries and competitors say about the qualities of that person.
Mrs. Vijay Lakshmi Pundit, a prominent figure and Nehru’s sister, stated, “If the Muslim League had 100 Gandhis and 200 Azads and Congress had only one Jinnah, then India would not have been divided!”
The statement reflects the bare fact that it was only Jinnah who fought the case of Muslim nationhood in India and won it through the force of arguments
Old man lost his mind
Pakistan ka matlab kia was muslim league slogan and Quaid came later in Muslim league when he realized that Congress is only for Hindus than he fought for muslims rights and made Pakistan
Can you Counter him on facts if you have any
ap jahan rehtay houn ap ko dekhna hota hey keh us country kay log aik nasal say belong kertay hein aor woh kitnay waqat say us khitay mein reh rahay hein aor kia woh log bura waqat anay per foreign invaders say jang lertay hein aour kia woh apnay logoun ka defence kertay hein yeh sub kusch hindustan kay log kertay thay to phir taqseem to dushman hee kia kertay hein rana pakistan
Jinnah was stooge og
Dekhiye logoko tel lagake hamesha desh nehi chalta hei. Someday we need to face the truth .
APRIL FOOL BANAYA 🤬😩 🤡
Jinnah was secular intelligent laywer but end up comedy circle of reality
Sardar Jee! in your words, the "secular "laWYer (not laywer)" is intelligent, you assign such exceptional qualities to a person and then add, " but end up comedy circle of reality" these are two different, not the same qualities you juxtaposed.
@@mohammadnaeemkhan3671 voluntarily played communal riots game caused violent riots and ended up in prison of medieval mindset
Jinnah was contradictory to put politely, munafiq to put it correctly
They both are seem baised towards Quaid e Azam and Pakistan
اشتیاق احمد صاحب کے اس انٹریو کو سُن کر مجھے “ مرحوم جون ایلیا صاحب کے وہ سنہری اقتباسات یاد آگئے جو انہوں نے “لینن کے مجسمہ کے گرائے جانے کے واقع پر کہہ تھے کے فوج کہیں کی بھی ہو
وہ پنجابی ہی ہوتی ہے👽🇵🇰👽
اشتیاق احمد صاحب سے کوئی پوچھے کے کون ڈان نیوز کو مُستند اور دُرست مانتا ہے!
وہ خود ہی اپنی بات کی نفی کرتے ہوئے نظر آرہے تھے کے “ لیاقت علی خان کو مُحّمد علی جناح نے خود مُنتخب کیا تھا تو وہ کیسے انکی بے عزتی کرتے ہونگیں۔۔
تاریخ دان لکھتے ہیں کے لیاقت علی خان پر اسلام کا بھوت فوج نے چڑھا دیا تھا!!!
فاطمہ جناح کے متعلق انکی باتیں مُحّمد علی جناح ہر لکھی جانے والی انکی کتاب کو مشکوک بنارہی تھی !!
میرے نُقطعہ نظر کے حساب سے۔۔
آج اشتیاق احمد صاحب کا علم کا معیار اور طارق فتح صاحب کا علم میعار بلکل ایک ہی School of thought کا نظر آیا🗣
دُنیا جانتی ہے ہر تاریخ دان BIAS ہوتا ہے!!
ورنہ آج مُسلمانوں میں ہی مُختلف مکاتب فکر کو ماننے والے موجود نہ ہوں۔
مُحّمد علی جناح یا تقسیم ہند جیسے تاریخ ساز موضوعات پر بے حساب کتابیں لکھیں جاچکی ہیں!!
آج کتنے لوگ نہرو کو تقسم ہند کا مُجرم مانتے ہیں کتنے لوگ نہرو گاندھی مُحّمد علی جناح جو انگریزوں کا ایجنٹ سمجھتے ہیں ۔۔
آج حضرت مُحّمد صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کے وصال کے حالات کو مُختلف انداز سے تحریر کرتے ہیں اور سب اپنے اپنے طور پر اسکو مُختلف ثبوت کی روشنی میں دُرست سمجھتے ہیں کوئی یہ سمجھتا ہے کے اہل بیت پر ظُلم ہوا تھا کوئی سمجھتا ہے سب کچھ بہت افہام تفہیم سے طے پایا تھا۔۔
اشتیاق احمد صاحب کے آج کے انٹریو میں مُحّمد علی جناح کے لیے ان کے اندر موجود تعصب بہت ابھر کر سامنے آیا ہے۔۔
خیر ایک پنجابی تاریخ دان کو جیسا ہونا چاہیے تھا مُحّمد علی جناح کے لیے “پروفیسر اشتیاق احمد صاحب اس معیار پر پورا اُتر رہے تھے۔۔
شُکر بھیجیں انہوں نے مولانہ طارق جمیل کی طرح محمد علی جناح کو ساہیوال کا پنجابی بتا کر انکی انگلیوں سے شہد کو نہیں ٹپکا دیا🤦🏻♀️
I agree with you about that Punjabi bias
Yes absolutely 😌
ye admi bohat biased he; har kisi ko khush karne ka hunr gandhi me tha jinnah mein nhn...ambedkar ne gandhi ke two-faced nature ko bbc interview mein achi tarah se expose kiya he!
I have replied earlier and am repeating it again and if this time it is removed or deleted I will complain to CZcams for this censorship being exercised against me. Look Qurrat ul ain Zehra, I really wonder what have you read apart from Pakistan Studies. About Ambedkar exposing Gandhi. Yes, as a bitter man born among the Dalits he had genuine complaints against Hinduism and upper caste Hindus. However, the Gandhi - Ambedkar Poona Pact agreed in 1932 was a commitment given by Gandhi that in free India seats and representations will be reserved for Dalits in accordance with their population strength: 15% pluse 8.5% for Adivasis or tribal people. That agreement has been incorporated into the Indian Constitution. In fact reservations have expanded not contracted and now applies even to OBCs or Other Backward Castes. A Dalit intellectual and Academic class now exists in all universities and challenges Hindu supremacist ideas. Equally on the basis of one man one vote Madam Mayawati a Dalit lady has been elected 4 times as the chief minister of UP, whose population is equal to that of Pakistan. India has had at least 2 Dalit presidents including the current one, several chief justices and many diplomats. Also, Zehra do you know it was the Indian National Congress which on the advice of Gandhi appointed Ambedkar as the Chairman of the Constitution Drafting Committee. Otherwise Amedkar had only one vote, he along elected and that too from East Bengal and not his own constituency. ALL OTHER DALITS ELECTED TO THE CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY OF INDIA WERE ON CONGRESS TICKET. Now, what you have never certainly read is that Ambedkar turned to Jinnah who shunned him by saying the Dalits must struggle for their rights but separately. He would support them but to form a party with Dalits and Dravidians was rejected by Jinnah. AFTER THAT AMBEDKAR TURNED AGAINST THE DEMAND FOR PAKISTAN AND WROTE THE MOST VITIATING CRITICISM OF ISLAM AND MUSLIMS AS A CLOSE GROUP LIKE MAFIA. People outside it were not part of the Islamic idea of brotherhood; on the contrary all others were Kafirs and worth nothing. He went on to declare Islam as the most oppressive religion with regard to women and also the most resistant religion to reform. DO SOME ORIGINAL READING OF AMBEDKAR'S 1945 EDITION OF HIS BOOK IN WHICH HE REJECTS PAKISTAN AND CRITIQUES ISLAM TO THE MOST LASHING COMMENTS. As always you rely on third rate propaganda rather than reading the original works of the man you are invoking to damn Gandhi. Mahatma Gandhi saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Calcutta because on 15 August 1947 he was sitting among them and not in Delhi to take part in celebrations. Then in Septmember later he save the lives of thousands of traumatized Muslims who had taken refuge in the Purana Qila. Do read Dr Ishtiaq Hussain Qureshi, vice chancellor of Karachi university and Federal Education Minister of Pakistan. He was from Delhi and has narrated how Gandhiji helped saved the lives of Muslims. Chaudhri Mohammad Ali, Pakistan Prime Minister (1955-56) has in his book, The Emergence of Pakistan, written in glorious words Gandhiji's services in forcing the Indian Government to pay Pakistan Rs. 55 crore as its share of British colonial treasury which then led to his assassination at the hands of Hindu fanatics. No Muslim killed him but fanatical Hindus who alleged he was pro-Muslim and pro-Pakistan. Do some reading before you start writing ill-informed childish comments which are superficial standard propaganda.
@@Billumian47 Does that guy deserve that much efforts from you Sir Let him live in his fools paradise
Jinnah was right maulana azad was wrong
No only Jinnah. Majority renowned Islamic scholars were against partition . They thought partition will divide Muslims of subcontinent. Allama Mashraqi ,one of the top Islamic scholar of his time run the movement to stop partition. The biggest Sunni Deoband who fought against British ( Jamiat Ulmah Hind) was against partition.
Mr Ishtiaq is talking in door.He shoul come in public meeting and talk to dominate his openion.It is not appropriate to criticise last 73 years stories true and false to disturb new generation againt the emotions of mulim pakistani. Mr Ishtiaq u are nothing urself and criticising high dignities. That is wrong.QaudeAzam was what ,He was an undisputed leader who have large No.of qualities.but u have nothing ,playing in the hand of enemies of pakistan. Stop. Stop. Stop.stop. stop.