BeatBuddy VS SDRUM - HOW TO CHOOSE?
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- BeatBuddy VS SDRUM is a question I get asked a lot. It might be due to all of the SDRUM videos I've done over the last several months. The BeatBuddy is relatively new to us here at The Pedal Guy, but in the short-ish time that it's been in the studio, it's quickly become a constant source of drum grooves and easy to get going song ideas.
In this video, I'm going to cover the specific differences between these two pedals. What makes them different, what makes them similar, and how to make the most informed choice between them.
0:00 Intro
1:16 Primary Difference
2:09 I/O's
3:23 Kits
4:45 Songs
6:03 Sync Options
7:22 Price
8:32 Conclusion
Make no mistake, they are VERY different pedals. While they are both drum machines in their own rights, the SDRUM is a beat creator, while the BeatBuddy is a beat player. Want to know more? Watch the video.
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I don't have either one, I'm a lawnmower repairman.
If you’re in orange county our Toro could use some love.
You can whack your weeds with your beatbuddy
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I don't have either either I mow yards for a living
Great, succinct video! Based on that, I’m leaning towards the SDRUM but I need to go check out your other vids now. Well done!
Thanks. Glad you liked it. Have a look at both products to make the best choice
For those who care, the BeatBuddy is much better than the SDRUM. The Beatbuddy is prerecorded human played drum tracks, as opposed to being a synthetic rhythm machine. I have many rhythm machines. They are hard to program, while I was using the BeatBuddy within minutes. The BeatBuddy is so easy to use, you'll quickly tap into all its features. The SDRUM has a learning curve and many will find it hard to maximize use in the real world. The fact that you can control the entire BeatBuddy and all its menus through your feet is just ingenious.
Excellent feedback. Thanks!
Totally Agree, I've tried many Rhythm machines, but the BeatBuddy was just so easy to use fell in love with that Pedal right away, knew it was what i'd been looking for !!
I’m in the market for one of these, but while I’m all about the human drum thing, what I need is to play completely experimental, on the fly solo drone music.. seemed like the sdrums suited that type of thing 🧐
@@itsonlyrocknroll12 i’ve had my beat buddy for a couple years and I still dig it with just the supplied beats, but I would definitely like more. They have added some more features like half time etc. there’s also the ability to just buy groups of beats for $20 I think instead of jumping into the two or more hundred dollar packages. I’m pretty computer illiterate so I’m a little reticent to pay for them and then find out that I don’t know how to get them to play but it’s nice to know if I apply myself a little bit I could probably get it to go. The sound of the beat buddy is really nice, as they are clear samples and they lend themselves well to a little post distortion, and other effects. Of course you have to apply to the whole kit, or separated by right and left, but it’s no Linn Drum with separate outs for everything so you could just flange a little cymbal. Maybe they have a $20 set of add-ons that would help? I also make parts a little more interesting by layering different kits or styles and mixing up genres and time even, by half, double or subdivisions.
@SteveFisher - You're right!! BTW, Does anyone know by chance whether you can mute part of drum set (i.e. when you play live - muting the kick and snare and leaving just the HH play for a bridge and then bring back the muted drums)? I use the BB with a Midi controller pedal and it works really great, but didn't figure out yet how to control part of a playing set. If someone experienced something like that, I'd appreciate the sharing. Thanks!!
Incredibly helpful! Thank you.
You're welcome!
both are cool pedals and both are something i've been looking for as a guitar player to use as a drum section when i'm jamming in my room. i chose the sdrum though because i don't want to use a daw every time i want to create a beat for my current riffs/solo/whatever and also i don't want to be limited by precreated and preloaded patterns which can't be tweaked using the pedal. i've watched all of your sdrum videos and was amazed by how versatile the pedal was (it has [almost] every single thing i was expecting from it) and i must say - you've done great job showing all its features and possibilities, which i wouldn't have discovered watching other youtube reviews and demos :)
Thanks for all the kind words. Please be sure to subscribe if you haven't already :-)
the beatbuddy is basically an mp3 player
A great explanation of these units, thanks. I've been considering one of these in place of the whole software/computer thing. I'm an idiot!
David Woods glad you liked the video. Thanks and be sure to subscribe. There’s always more content coming!
Great explanations. I wish more videos were so straight to the point. Thanks! I know I want a Sdrum now. ☺
Glad to help. We have the SDRUM in stock if you’re looking for one.
@@ThePedalGuy Thanks but I live in Belgium ;-)
@@francoismarchand5461 Ok. Well, please consider subscribing to the channel then :-)
@@ThePedalGuy how much?
@@kevinmalone8903 the SDRUM is $199 and the BeatBuddy is $329.
I’m about 2 1/2 minutes in and it seems to be pretty informative. I’ve had my beat buddy for maybe coming up on two years and wasn’t aware that I could program my own beats I thought I had to buy them all. It’s probably over my head, I mean I’m afraid to even buy some extra beats because I don’t think I’ll know how to add them, but nice to know that if I learned how that it is there. Seems to be a big market of people like That didn’t grow up with computers but have them, and only scratch the surface.
I'm hoping to do a video about creating beats at some point, but it does require a little bit of work. The software is a little archaic at this point. But Singular has assured me that they are planning to update it in the future.
I have both - brilliant review and I learned some things. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WysteriaGuitar you’re welcome. Please subscribe if you’d haven’t already.
@HECTIC VON KAOS like I said in the vid it depends on what your intentions are. If you want to create beats then use the SDRUM. If you want to have a pedal that simply plays beats back then it’s the BeatBuddy
which one works best for live situation? one man band stuff. Thanks!!
@@erikvonbehr Yes I also want to know this! :) Can anyone please guide!
Thank you bro
Welcome
very informative
Glad you liked it. Both really good solutions
The video is definitely informative and helpful, as are all your videos. I do have a very specific question though. My ears perked up when you said that the Beat Buddy could be synched with the "Aeros." I assume you mean the Aeros Loop Studio, which I have. However, I recently purchased a SDRUM and I would like to know if the SDRUM will sync with the Aeros Loop Studio if you have the special Jamsync to MIDI cable you speak of. I figured if anyone would know, it would be you. If it can sync up, that's somewhat of a game changer because the Aeros allows for different parts such as verse, chorus, bridge, etc and so does the SDRUM. Thanks in advance.
Thanks. Unfortunately, I didn't have a chance to try that particular setup. It might work but you need that JamSync to MIDI cable.
A clear, concise comparison. Thank you. Does anyone offer additional rhythmic patterns (Latin/Jazz) that can be used with the BeatBuddy?
Thanks. Singular Sound does offer BeatBuddy expansion libraries.
with the beatbuddy you can create or "convert" any beat file into a midi file and use it. This requires some knowledge of drumming or writing drums on computer software. I have the beatbuddy and can't do difficult patterns, but I make some basic patterns or edit from other places. As pedal guy says, singular sound also sells some libraries which are really good and more or less cheap. What I do is I get someone who knows how to write drums on software and pay 5 bucks per song the way I want them (verse-chorus-verse, etc) And I've got plenty of songs in these ways. Most popular songs are on the library. And for jazz or latin you could probably use the default rhythms
Brilliant - thank u
Decision made for me
Beat buddy for me as I’m a guitarist and a poor drummer and also not a fan of too many complex knobs
Next step to see if mini is good enough - thumbs up 👍🏽
Good to hear it helped
@@ThePedalGuy bought the original
found a mint on eBay for 65% of new price
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Also taken ur other advice and will run this on a second amp
@@nadeemafzal8984 cool
Thanks for the video. I have been looking for a beat pedal. I only play blues, R&B, and jazz improvisation. Any recommendation?
BeatBuddy would probably be the best solution
Actually you can load your own samples on the bb. It's a midi sampler: you can even put melodic samples in there and play it with a keyboard if you want. The number of kits comparison makes no sense, except out of the box. But it's a pedal that gives its best when you program it the way you want: when used with its software it offers a lot more. The sdrum is more for someone who don't care so much to create his beats in details and just want to play.
Good info. Thank you for sharing.
You mean if I have a digital piano like a Roland RPthree or (i’m not exactly sure of the model as it’s in the garage in a road case) but it’s a decent weighted key Model with MIDI in and outs, as faras I know of, and if so equipped I could program my own beats from the piano without having to do the DAW thing?
@@LTJR. Nope. You can play it live, you can't store your beat directly inside the BB (software needed). BUT if you use an external seq (like a beatstep) or your keyboard has its own seq, then you can basically do what you say as long as the BB remains connected to it.
@@paolomoretti9291 wow that’s a trip. I played all my life and basically had a decent existence during my gigging years but only the last maybe five years or so... basically whenever loopers started to come out, have I started to record myself.
I’m so old that I was one of the first people to ever buy the rack model original jam man, that you could open up and fill spaces with more memory, Long before a little SD cards. Besides ECHO and Delay, a hip and unheard of feature (at that time) was being able to play backwards which tripped people out when we would do Hendrix type stuff. It was sort of ahead of its time, as people wouldn’t understand how a trio could sound like another guitar player was playing rhythm behind my solos, which could lead people to think it was all pre-recorded. The Milli Vanilli effect I guess I ultimately sold it but I would’ve loved to keep it just for nostalgia. Put it next to a big plastic rotary home phone!
Cool
Thx
Hi, could you please make a video covering midi sync between beatbuddy and boss rc5 looper pedal please.
Thanks for the suggestion. If Boss ever decides to open us up to be a dealer I’ll look into that.
THANK YOU! I have the SDRUM and love it.....BUT can't use it with my Boss RC505 looper.....BUT....with this cable you mentioned it just might work....worth a try and THANkS for sharing this!!!
Thanks for the kind words.
Pls let us know if the cable worked! What I heard is that sdrum sucks at sync with rc loopers.. I hope not because i have them both but couldnt try that so far (no cable)
@@Rohadjakmeg1 yes the cable works if you do it right. I emailed the guy selling these in Germany because I wanted to know if it worked with the RC505......here is what he said and I did what he said and it did work for me....."Thanks for your email! Yes, with this cable, you can sync your RC-505 to your SDRUM. The SDRUM has a midi output only, so it acts as the master clock and the RC-505 has to be the slave.
As some people mentioned, the RC-505 (and other Roland loopers) prefer to be the master. But if you turn off the tempo sync of the RC-505 (which disengages the timestreching which can cause some glitches in audio when slaved to an external midi clock) the looper is still synced to the midi clock and plays without glitches. This is a workaround for a bug of the RC-505 which happens with any midi device as master clock and any midi cable. But with tempo sync turned off, it should work fine."
@@BibleBeltBlues Thank you a lot! I will try this for sure, so it's basically any 3,5 mm / 1/8 inch cable with another end suitable for the slave device (RC-500 in my case, so it is two 1/8 inch cables) plus turning off the tempo sync?
I have that exact same orange amp in the background and I wear lacoste shirts. I guess I was meant to find this channel. 😂
could these be used with the boss rc10? the rc10 seems to have drums, loops, effect all in one.....
Could you please suggest for live performances what would be better?
If you want to play a song from start to finish, the BeatBuddy. If you want to build beats, the SDRUM
I have not had any pedal so far. I am considering to buy a pedal. What I need: for live performance with acoustic guitar. I have some 20-25 songs in my repertoire, mostly pop, latin. So I need something easy to manage on the stage, I mean easy to set up the rythm depending on the song to play. Should I also consider the trio + for my selection ? Could you guys please advice ? Many thanks !!
If you're looking for beats only, the BeatBuddy might be the best option for you. If you're looking for full arrangements, the TRIO could do some great stuff for you. Watch my other vids on the TRIO and see for yourself.
@@ThePedalGuy thank you!!
What about the digitech trio plus band creator? Wasnt it included because its a looper?
The TRIO is a bit different as it’s a drum, bass, and looper pedal so it’s really in a class by itself.
Do either of these sync with the BOSS RC-300 or RC-5 via the BOSS 1/8th inch MIDI ports?
Yes, with the right adapters it should work. The SDRUM requires a JamSync to MIDI adapter and the BeatBuddy requires a MIDI adapter cable that's sold by Singular Sound.
@@ThePedalGuy awesome thank you for the quick response!
Hi, guy! Does the Digitech Sdrum sync with BOSS RC5?
It should but you will need a JamSync to MIDI cable
Hi! I'm wondering if you can create beats on the Sdrum and load them into the Beat Buddy.
Hi. Thanks for the question. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The SDRUM doesn’t generate midi notes which would be needed for the BeatBuddy
@@ThePedalGuy Thanks!
I'm still trying to figure out why one would put their guitar into the beat buddy if they want to send just their guitar signal to their amp anyway? Why not just bypass the pedal input, you don't need it to use it right? Just the output? I think if I was using it to jam alone with or whatever, I would just have it plugged into the PA via the direct out. Keep my guitar separate, and jam. Kinda cool when writing just to have a beat behind you, or for a dry recording/scratch track. I always use a scratch track when I start. That gives me a baseline to build from.
Sure. Either way works
I like just jamming with the beat buddy
Fair enough
Fair enough
You just responded to my beat buddy question and I tried to respond back in my email but it shoots back over here. Well moving beyond that I know this isn’t the place but my MG 30 got sent with Chinese only hardware meaning the unit was meant to stay on their mainland. If you can help me with the return, I meaning like a little bit of guidance maybe I can just order one up from you?
Hi. The best way to facilitate a return would be to contact NuX directly. Send me an email info@thepedalguy and I’ll try to help you out
One disadvantage of the BeatBuddy is that there are quite some issues about the BB-manager stopped working under MacOSCatalina ...
Good point.
good
Sold the BeatBuddy, stayed with SDRUM.
Both great choices. Glad you picked!
Can you build a song and have the sdrum command the section changes in sync with the looper between verse, chorus and bridge?
Thanks for your the question. Unfortunately no it doesn’t work that way with the SDRUM. That would require a setup like the BeatBuddy and Aeros.
@@ThePedalGuy isn't he doing it here tho? I really hope so cause I just ordered a sdrum and need it to create 2 and 3 part songs
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@@derekelshaw4242 well it is a little complicated. I have a video on using JamSync on my channel. Watch that one and see if it helps.
@@ThePedalGuy I watched them all and they're some of the best tutorials I've seen on it but I still haven't seen anyone explain what the guy is doing in the video I sent
@@derekelshaw4242 have you tried asking the guy that made the original video?
The BeatBuddy is amazing 'IMO' better.... But like the Pedal Guy Explains what ever works better for you!!
Thanks Noe!
Hello.. Does SDRUM have a footswitch fuction enables 'fill in / outro'?
I am thinking of playing a guitar with SDRUM or BeatBuddy to lead a small group worship. I like to have very basic and simple drum beat (for this I lean toward SDRUM) but also like to have fill-in and outro fuction to end the song properly (for this I lean toward BeatBuddy Mini 2)
Can you help guiding me out of this dilema? Thx~~
Thanks for the question. No, the SDRUM doesn't quite get the job done. The BeatBuddy would be a better solution as it will give you a dedicated intro and outro.
The BeatBuddy Mini will also do this too if price is a factor.
I would love to know if the SDRUM can be sync (MIDI) to BOSS RC 5
It should work if you get a JamSync to MIDI adapter cable. Emphasis on "Should"
I've tried this with both the RC500 and the RC5 and sadly it doesn't work 100% of the time. I'd say stick with the JamMan Solo XT because it's waaay more reliable.
The RC5 will have garbled glitchy sounding playback. It ALWAYS tries to keep in sync with the midi clock of the SDRUM and due to the minor fluctuations all midi clock messages have, the RC5 will constantly slow down and speed up the playback ever so slightly. This makes it sound like you recorded your loop underwater.
The RC500 has a feature called "Tempo Sync" which can be turned off to fix the glitchy sounding playback issue, but then this creates the new issue of your loops randomly failing to playback between cycles. It's impossible to know exactly when the playback will drop out but it almost always does eventually. I've so got some loops that will playback perfectly for what seems like an eternity, and others (usually longer ones) that always fail after the very first cycle.
From what I gather, this is an issue with the Boss pedals. Even when I took the SDRUM out of the equation and just midi-synced the RC500 to the RC5 (and vice versa) I still got the same exact issues! Just a little less frequently. They just don't seem to like being midi slaves to other devices. I've heard of other people having the same issues when midi slaving them for use with DAWs too. Hope this helps.
Sorry to spam but one more important thing. RC5s and 500s will ALWAYS start playback whenever the SDRUM starts playback. They don't have the same "arming" feature the Solo XTs have that lets you choose if you want to start the SDRUM first and then bring the loops in after or if you want them to all start together.
EDIT*** There is a workaround for this. If you want to start the midi clock master device first and bring the loops in later:
1. In your RC looper's MIDI menu, set the SYNC START option to RHYTHM instead of ALL.
2.Turn down the Rhythm's level to 0
3. Start on your midi clock master device and the RC's loop won't start but the Rhythm will play back silently.
4. Start the loop on the RC whenever you want and it will begin perfectly in time with your midi clock master device.
@@ThorForShort I love all of this feedback. It all helps my viewers that ask about this setup. So thank you VERY much!
Looking for your opinion. Which product do you think would work better for a live worship set when we don't have a drummer. Typically 3-5 songs with each having verses, chorus and bridge sections. Sometime there are time breaks between songs and sometimes one song transitions into another. Looking for the the ability to have different patterns for each song section (V,C & B), different patterns between songs and making these changes in the easiest(quickest) way possible since I would be playing guitar. Thanks - appreciate your videos.
Thanks for the question. Both of these would be fine solutions. However the deciding factor would be whether or not you need to create beats on the fly or work with pre-programmed beats. If you were going to work with pre-programmed beats the BeatBuddy would be the best. If it’s the other way around then the strum would be the better solution. Hope that helps. We have the BeatBuddy in stock now if that’s the one you want. We’ll have the SDRUM in stock probably later this month or March.
@@ThePedalGuy - First, thanks for the quick response. I guess I should have been more specific. First, I believe both pedal allow me to save songs ahead of time. So, I could save the 5 songs I need for a set in order. Then when on the stage I would need to recall a song, play it with the ability to switch between parts (V,C & B) and then stop , recall the next song and play it and so on. Specifically, assuming I bought the accompanying switch, could I do this entirely with my feet without having to bend over and push any buttons with my hand? I've watched your videos, watched other videos, read the manuals and can't seem to determine this . The biggest question is how to switch from saved song to song with your feet.
@@toddmiller7298 Ah ok. Then in that case, the BeatBuddy with the additional footswitch will get this done. Just keep in mind that you need to stop the song first, then you can switch to the next song.
The SDRUM does not do this. Hope that helps.
@@ThePedalGuy Thanks so much for your quick response and feedback. Keep up the good work!
@@toddmiller7298 sure thing. We have it in stock if you want it.
as confused as ever. Play Americana out with a couple of guys and also want something to use practicing Sax and bass more interesting than a metronome. might have to try one of these and boss acoustic frame someone with a good return policy.
Hi Rob. Sounds like the BeatBuddy might be a better solution for you here. It'll give you a good song structure to practice with. Hope that helps.
Which one has a more realistic sound?
That’s up to you really. They both sound great but everyone will always have an opinion on this.
Great Video, thanks. Please make the same in French and it would be perfect ;-) !
If only I took French classes in high school 😉
What about the trio plus?
Nope. It’s a different beast
What about the "time signatures"?...
The SDRUM is a bit limited in this regard.
What do you think of the Digitech Trio?
Bryan Redington I think very highly of it. Have you seen all of the TRIO vids on this channel?
@@ThePedalGuy I will check them out - I acutally meant the Trio+
Bryan Redington sure thing. I’ve only done vids on the plus. The standard version was discontinued some time ago.
Wish the Trio could be sync’d. I haven’t played it in years. Used yo have SDRUM and Jam Man Pro, but I now use the full Singular Sound solution
@@ThePedalGuy then why did you say sdrum and beat buddy are the only 2?
In a nutshell, beatbuddy for live and SDrum for home use.
was looking for some demo's ?
There are plenty on my channel
Sdrum is the best!
Thx
I have the BeatBuddy but the SDRUM is much better...
I find that users either like one or the other. They both have some great features, but it just depends what you're looking for. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe!
better how?
Haha I spent all my money on a trio years ago. It's fun for home jamming but doesnt sound all that great
LOL
I have a low i.q. and a short attention span. Just tell me what item most guitarist prefer.
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Focus
Ok
mommy...why is that funny man wearing a backwards hat?
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Better to buy an Ipad with a bluetooth footswitch midi controller and use something like Beat Station.
ok...
Maybe mention this isn't a demo in the title
Ok
Amazed you can't set the BPM on the SDRUM... Its a drum machine... Where you can't set the BPM 🤦🏻♂️
Hi Josh. Thanks for the feedback. That's kind of the point though. You set the tempo in your head or via your playing. You teach that tempo and part to the SDRUM and off you go. If you want to change the tempo after the fact, just use the Tempo knob.
Again, that's what I mean by calling it a beat creator.
@@ThePedalGuy Yea I understand that, I actually have an SDRUM (sold the BeatBuddy to get it). But when I used the BeatBuddy, it was great to be able to actually set the tempo - I always made sure it was a multiple of 5, that way I could easily match the temp again like if I recorded it to the PC etc. It's impossible to find the same tempo again with the SDRUM
@@jobbo89 have you found a solution since?
@@derekelshaw4242 yes, get the solo xt to read back the tempo
@@jobbo89 I got one of those little Behringer three channel mixer’s for five bucks from somebody used and it had a BPM counter, I think for DJ work. A little mixer is great for looping anyway so it was just a plus.
Fala demais... 😡
Talks a lot! 😡
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A comparaison without any sound is useless.
Sorry it didn’t work out for you. There are plenty of audio examples on my channel.
@@ThePedalGuy fyi this video is just what I needed after watching a hundred other ones with the sounds demo'd. Your attention to detail was much appreciated!
@@fragwagon glad it helped!