The Alternate Timeline Iceberg Explained (Part 3)
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- As long as history has existed, people have been wondering the 'what if', and how it could have been different. Alternate history. You know what it is.
If you are on Part 3 you already know what this is. Congratulations for making it so far.
This is Part 3 to the alternate timelines iceberg that was put together by Emperor Fanta. The final part to what all began as an April Fool's joke.
Twitter: / althistoryhub
Patreon: / alternatehistoryhub
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:22 Level 12
03:12 Level 13
10:44 Level 14
17:08 Level 15
22:43 Level 16
29:28 Conclusion
Finally done. Now onto do the other projects I was hoping to do. Thanks for sticking around to Part 3. I'm impressed.
Also yes of course I added my own book for fun.
When part 4
Hope that personal issue was resolved to your satisfaction.
The trilogy
This was one of my favorite video series to find lately. Thanks for taking the time!
Multiverse of Madness Inspired all of this right? I guess that's the next project? AlternateHistory had Cody been born in Europe, What if, Ect Ect ; or the Punic Wars compared to the USSR/ Russia falling apart completely ( like Cold War is the first, now is the 2nd ect, end of fossil the 3rd or something)
The more I hear about alternate timelines the more I realize most writers do not do historical research and create unrealistic/impossible situations to make wattpad levels of logical conclusions.
And it's utterly gorgeous
That’s kind of something that happens in all alternate history, because if you went with the most realistic scenario, you’d get the real timeline. The question is just how far you go
The more I read about these, the more I realise how "not realistic enough" isnt an excuse for me to not write down my scenarios
That's because Alternate history isn't historically accurate, its Alternate after all...that's why I give these writers the benefit of the doubt...It just makes for fantastic storytelling...
And that's what makes them good to read,because there are many scenarios that could have happened.
I could HEAR Cody trying not to laugh through that entire Ukraine sequence. I know the author had no way of predicting the future but holy cow none of that aged well at all
Wut?
@@mokla_ i’d imagine there’s an alt history example in this iceberg that managed to predict the current russia v ukraine conflict
Timestamp?
1:02
Thats an absolutely dark twisted bit of irony
I like how so many of these start with a vaguely plausible scenario or at least one that you could reasonably suspend disbelief for, and then they make a couple hard to follow leaps, and then suddenly they go completely wild.
It’s like, “This book is set in an alternate universe where JFK had a big breakfast on the day of his assassination. Because he feels full, he leans back more in his seat, and the bullet misses him. The next day, inspired by his near-death-experience, he passes an executive order to ban all firearms in the United States. Because of this, gun manufacturers enter the spaceship business and a moon base is built in the 70s. By the 90s, humans have colonized Mars, and technology has progressed far beyond where it is today. People can talk to dolphins.”
It's so hilarious how true this is. The butterfly effect is absolutely real but the ole saying where a butterfly flaps it's wings differently in one part of the world causes a tsunami in another is just too extreme and people often run with that. Butterfly effects are too weak when it's something so small to make such a huge difference. JFK remaining alive would be a huge one like in your example, but sadly someone out there has the idea it would be as extreme as yours. Lmao.
@@someperson2287 thats why when I write althistory and try to copy the the starting's plausibility all over
@@someperson2287 While I do agree with this, it is also amusing and kinda fun to see just how wild some of these timelines go. I enjoy it.
incredibly plausible tbh i could see this happening
I just love how Cody describes the Atlantropa Articles without ever mentioning that this is his book
I assumed it was, given it had the most custom artwork for it
The fact Winston Churchill wrote an alternate history story amuses me since he's a pretty common character in alternate history stories these days. We just need a story where Winston Churchill travels back in time to fight in the American Civil War to make it even more appropriate.
I can imagine Winston Churchill saying "this is the worst timeline, except for all the others that have been tried."
i want an alternate history story where Winston Churchill is transported into the future and just read about alternate history stories made about him
@@regentofnothing I want an alternate history story where Winston Churchill is transported into the future, only to find out that Boris Johnson is claiming to be the new Churchill whereupon Winston dispatches the bodger on his latest adventure to invade the soft underbelly of somewhere and so is gone for 5 years (at least).
Ok but consider a book where Winston Churchill is introduced to modern alternate histories before WWII
Somebody should do one where Hitler travels back in time to give the Confederates jetpacks.
(And Churchill can also go back in time to stop him.)
As someone who has to introduce myself in public on a regular basis, big props to Cody for reading his own name on one of these without flinching or any change in tone.
I know, if you didn’t already know it was his book, then you probably wouldn’t have known
We do a little self-advertisment
Timestamp?
@@CarlosRios1 27:50
I got a chuckle 🤭
Whenever Cody mentions a timeline involving civil war I always kinda half expect him to say "written by Harry Turtledove" right after
and hear that the traitors would have freed the slaves lol
@@jackoleen1236and are some how less racist than the north
@@notthefbi7015 because a society rooted in the economic idea that one group of people are inherently less valuable than another would never carry those values in their day to day lives
@@jackoleen1236the Indiana kkk had the largest percentage of native born whites in the Klan, the most prominent fascists in the USA during the 20th century were from the North, but sure, South bad
Make it a drinking game
Knowing that Churchill was an alternate history writer is mildly interesting, but realizing that he was a TERRIBLE alternate history writer adds a level of amusement for me.
Its literally the meme from Kaiserreich where he makes a alt history book, the first one turns out okay (and gets turned into a mod), then he writes a second one describing the cold war of the first book if I recall properly and it gets slammed as being trash.
😂😂
In an alternate history, Cody never watched Trey's video, leading him to not spend a whole month doing these. He instead has a glass of orange juice.
As a result, there is a worldwide nuclear war and fascists take power everywhere.
What a dystopian nightmare
That's horrific!
That’s a big glass.
27:58 That sounds like a fascinating book, I bet that author is universally beloved in the alternate history community.
Maybe he would make CZcams videos
Okay I actually do want to read that where do I go to read that can I buy it somewhere I kind of forgot it's been so many years since I've been remember him talking about it
He sorta is. After all, this is his channel.
@@RandomYT05_01
that's... the joke
🤭🤭🤭
Hey! Statichaos here, writer of "A World Of Laughter, A World Of Tears," and knowing that a story I wrote on a discussion forum nearly a decade and a half ago is still remembered today just made my week. Hope you enjoyed it, if enjoyed is the right word....
Yooo I just started reading "A World of Laughter" after watching this video! I only just started, but so far, so ... interesting. Hey, maybe I'll reply again when I make more headway.
@@alejandrovasquez8527 That's great! It's essentially a rough draft, but I hope you enjoy what's there.
Me gusta jugar baesbol
I read it years back, remembered it today, and wondered if it was on this channel. Glad it is as it really is an incredible work. I'd love for Cody one day to do a full video on the story as it definitely deserves it.
I must admit, i had high expectations for Green Antarctica. Just thinking how a civilization would follow its path on another continent is pretty interesting.
And tbh, everything the author wrote could be reasonable possible but it went all down hill with the sex slave monkeys.
"...but it went all down hill with the sex slave monkeys" is a statement I never, ever thought I would read.
@@Civilized-Joke and a sentence i never thought I'd write
Frankly I believe the sex monkeys were a benefit to the fucking madness of it
also. "more successful than raccoons" WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
It's like someone hit the writer in the head halfway through
"Monkey sex slaves" a sentence I'd never thought I'd hear
It's the kind of sentence you don't really want to hear either. sm
It's unironically a real thing.
Look up Pony the Orangutan
Bru
That must be from a horror novel
I love how many of these start off like "Okay interesting" and then go completely batshit the longer they go on lol
It's like "Hear me out, green Antarctica." *Cool*
"Flora and Fauna like Australia"
*Makes sense*
"Harsh conditions"
*K*
"Cannibal Morlock natives"
*I mean...*
"Sex Monkey Raccoons"
* '_' .....wat?*
@@adambell9188
"hear me out, stalin lives for like 10 more seconds!" *okay*
"he gets a bit more crazy"
*sure, i guess..*
"he starts killing people because of israel!"
*uhh...*
"america declares war and nukes china 10 times"
*what..?*
Alternate history is always so weird. Like “yeah my grandpa dies so the USSR nukes New Zealand”. It’s always either the world being insurmountabley screwed or clear historical fanboyism about their side winning some war and being super cool and awesome and usually the Confederates which… okay…
Hey, for some people they're a fun historical monster to see how they could win and fuck shit up (like Godzilla but it's a bunch of chumps from the 19th century), for other people they're interesting to see redeem themselves in an alternate timeline, and some people just wanna see what chaos happens when you cut America in half.
Dixie runs deep boy
@@thomash8079 cringe
@@Bread-nx9fo seethe
@@thomash8079 mustard
I can’t believe Football 17776 wasn’t in here!! PLEASE look into it it’s the funniest alternate history I’ve ever seen. Basically everyone’s immortal and (American) football is insane and satellites have gained consciousness only to just watch football
what
Not alternate history yet, as the divergence point is in 2026.
Aight that Antarctica one was cool at first but it got off the rails by the end. How did it go from cool new continent with unpredictable weather to cannibalistic orc/elf people? Its like the original writer died halfway through and their friend who is a DnD fanatic took over.
The antarctic polynesians really are unbelievable. They're Aztec-esque where they use human beings as emergency cattle... but go so far overboard into utilitarian nightmare that they're not believable as a civilization.
yeah it was cool at first. Antarctica was once green in the past before when the earth was warmer and the antarctic land mass was further north, further from the south pole. It used to be connected to south america and australia and supported so many different ecosystems throughout prehistoric history from habitats with giant predatory amphibians, dinosaurs and later marsupials. Marsupial mammals originated in south america and spread to australia through the antarctic landmass when they three continents were connected. The history was already fascinating. The story became ridiculous at then end.
Not least of which because, if they're writing a population of people psychologically and sociologically adapting to a land of giant and dangerous monsters that's winter night for six months ... the Inuit peoples are right there. And they live in an even harsher world, as they don't even have the benefit of the arctic being green. It really is just that they wanted a grimdark fantasy land and worked from there
I'm with you on that. There's only so much evil a civilization can tolerate if it is to remain viable. When everyone has to constantly be on watch against every other person, society becomes impossible. This, I think, is where games like DnD and Warhammer break down. Not that they're not still fun, but they reflect nothing real.
Reminded me of the drakia shit, some vaguely plausible premise devolving into absolute madness for no good reason other than maybe shock value?
I definitely wouldn't mind the occasional iceberg on the channel if it's not the sole type of content. This 3-parter has been really fun to watch
The original creator of the iceberg didn't do a very good job of formating it tho
@@pippi2285 even though the iceberg itself is poorly made, its still been some entertaining videos
I think it would be a cool thing to see annually and throughout the year explain the various topics in more depth.
It's really weird to see youtubers you know from other communities just watching videos
Man I remember being a little kid playing Point of Existence 2 not even knowing there was a whole backstory to it.
It's absolutely laughable hearing it now but still kinda neat having that little bit of context.
It's like a fever dream
Well, it's close to reality instead it's Russia attacking Ukraine.
The Dukakis story in "Alternate Presidents" was the best. His first day in office, they explain that the stress of the office is to much for a human to handle, and introduce him to his robot replacement.
Still love how the iceberg literally drills through the ground and into the core
What do you mean core? It's obviously hollow
@@Nhakunk You're all talking nonsense- Gravity is a myth, the world sucks.
Alternate histories often stumble over the line between "What if dynamite or the cotton gin was invented a decade later" and "what if your people were irredemably evil and my people won an impossible war", and inevitably drop big names in for history-clout. Actual history is more brownian and innebriated than most authors allow.
Yep. And it is always about politics and conflicts. An original one, tht I dont think that will make to this video, is the 2019 film "Yesterday", where a struggling musician wakes up, afer being hit by a lighting strike, during a nation wide power shortage, in a alternate timeline where the beatles never existed.
I'm pretty sure it's not just the Beatles, but also Harry Potter, coca cola don't exist as well.
If the cotton gin had come a decade later slavery could've ended earlier, as it was already dying out before the cotton gin's invention, which only made it sky rocket there might not have been a civil war, Lincoln may never have become president, etc...
@@justinambru8529 Harry Potter not existing would probably be for the best considering who wrote it.
@@connorbeith3232 While I may not emphasize with JK's political pandering, I certainly wouldn't say that the book series should be wiped out from existence.
21:56 A fanfic of a Henry Turtledove alternative history novel...the one with the lizard people.
*Sits down, lights a cigarette, and takes a long draw*
....... continue
I think Sobel's For Want of a Nail is the most brilliant alternate history ever written. It is meticulously crafted and reads like a real textbook, complete with hundreds of (obviously fictional) footnotes. It's a work of genius.
The deeper these go the more I realise how over-represented ww2 is
Yes, everyone wants to re-fight WWII. Uncomfortable conclusion I came to is a lot of young guys are into Nazi ideation.
also the cold war
it took place everywhere affected a lot of people. so much time has passed it's not as popular anymore. plenty of newer wars to talk about.
American's, brits and Russians love WW2
@@anjetto1 WW1 is more intresting
i really didn't expect the green Antarctica scenario- I thought it would be a normal scenario for once but i guess alternate history writers are just that obsessed with the world being hell.
It made no sense at all. That author is total nutter.
@@allanshpeley4284 I suspect the author either likes really fucked up shock fics or has some really weird sexual fetishes, or both. It's up there with the broken arms ama as far as things I most regret having read.
@@merrymerryjerry6736 I just think the author read too deeply into Warhammer Fantasy Battles and wanted the Druchii to exist in our world.
I love old 19th century speculative fiction about Antarctica so any kind of fictional scenario involving a habitable Antarctica has to be interesting!
*a minute later*
The fuck?
I had to rewind a bit to make sure I didn't miss a scenario shift.
I had to take a step back while you talked about Green Antarctica to make sure that we were still talking about the same story. What a crazy U-turn
That Ukraine story is basically "What if Ukraine and Russia had their governments swapped?"
Basically yes
“Walt Disney is elected President in the 1950’s…”
That is a sentence I never thought I’d hear.
A World of Happiness, A World of Tears is unironically really good
@@pixelproductions150 In theory, yes. But if you know who Disney was and it’s been documented on how much of a huge antisemite and a notorious racist he was. It wouldn’t end very well.
@@comixproviderftw_02 yeah, I got to that part of the video, but still, it sounds good in theory.
Yeah, well imagine how it felt for me to come up with it and write the thing...
@@Aurelian369_ Thanks for the plug!
Whoever wrote The Atlantropa Articles seems like a pretty cool dude.
@@weakspirit_ He really should, he seems like the kind to bring a lot new and unique ideas to the table. Althis hub would actually have a worthy competitor.
Set in Alternate Universe, The creator/writer of Atlantropa Articles created a CZcams channel where he's discussing the possibilities of althist and stuff
Didn't expect myself to sit through all of it when I did come around to watch it, much less with my full attention all the way!
Cody's narration is truly something else.
You should do an iceberg of alt-history tropes raging from the most common to the most obscure. Iceberg charts make for interesting videos.
Could also be a tier ranking video!
0:28 Soviet Occupation of Japan
1:01 🇺🇦 Declares War
3:33 11/22/63
4:08 Twilight of the Red Tsars
5:14 Green Antarctica
7:30 California Back In Time
8:44 North American Confederacy
9:58 Hannibal Rules
10:49 July’s People
11:16 Crisis in The Kremlin
11:48 No Spanish Civil War
12:45 No W
13:48 Voyage
14:16 The Forest of Time
15:35 Walt Disney America
16:28 Jour J
17:13 Faultline 49
17:53 From The Fatherland with Love
18:06 Sweden 🇸🇪 WWII revision
18:42 It Happened Here
19:07 Bush Soldiers
19:45 A Scotsman in Eypt
20:17 Lee loses Gettysburg
21:52 World War: War of Equals
22:50 Tirant La Blanch
23:36 Aprils In Abadon
24:16 Alternate Presidents
25:02 USA 2002 in 1942
25:45 A Nixed Result
26:44 After The End Mod
27:53 Alantropa Articles
28:53 Ab Urbe Condita Libri
29:30 Thanks for watching
30:16 Regular content coming
No Monuments mythos? Too bad. I guess it's way way too obscure for even iceberg videos.
Would have loved to see what he has to say about it.
Shame there is no Romanitas
Surprisingly code glass was in level 13 but he never talked about it
@@kavukkii
Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Shouldn’t be so low tho
@@tonylu2471 many people have seen it though, I'd hardly say it's obscure especially considering most of the other stories in this iceberg
Thank you SO MUCH Cody for talking about Jour J ! This series regularly fuels my craving of alternate history, good writing and historical knowledge !
I know it's so good! I'm glad there's atleast some recognition of it since I'm such a massive fan of the series.
For those wondering about the fighting over texas after nuclear armageddon one.
That doesnt happen. Its more the US asks the EU to intervene in Texas to prevent a mexican fundamentalist christian group from raiding some remaining nukes. (French series so got to get the french in.) But it later turns out that the Texans already solved the issue by stealing the fuel from the missiles.
The nuke itself ends upbeing shipped to China to kickstart their nuclear program.
Russia severely underestimated their nuclear arsenal and got wiped of the map.
That “Green Antartica” scenario was…uncomfortable, to say the least
It is SUCH a shame it went that way, in my opinion. I would love to read about an alternate, green, colourful Antarctica with weird animals and then it got SUPER FREAKING DEPRESSING.
So...I guess now we need _another_ Green Antarctica story...
@@robinchesterfield42
It also sounded kinda…I hesitate to call it “racist” but there were some extremely problematic elements that remind me of imperialist propaganda and stereotypical assumptions regarding indigenous peoples
You could always write your own version of it. Just some talent and time to do it.
@@warlordofbritannia no, yeah, I'd say racist is a fair term.
I mean, maybe the author flags it up, but the way Cody describes it seems pretty much like the people are evil because they're just irredeemably evil (it's not like in real life there's a correlation between strict caste hierarchy, necrophilia, and monkey sex slaves).
Weirdly, it might be less racist if it's from a full internal perspective. If it's set with the perspective of outsiders going "good lord, this is horrific," it just reads like "yes, but what if all that shite about primitive people eating kids was right?", but if we're set in this scenario and it's just something that happens around some characters, it almost could be interesting. How do you think it your society is THAT fucked up?
When I heard the "they eat their own kids" bit, I was like oh sick, this is going to be some Pratchett-style examination of identity and spirituality, yes? But no, it seems to just be horror porn.
@@MarkusAldawn
I mean, dark-skinned inherently savage people from the Southern Hemisphere is at least several yikes! so I didn’t want to tie it down to just “racism”
Racisms, on the other hand… 😂
I noticed that Code Geass was on the list, but it never was part of the video. That was another anime alternate history, where Queen Elizabeth the First loses the British Civil War, and moves the crown to the American colonies. Flash forward to modern times and the Americas are the Empire of Britania, the only global superpower and systematically taking over the world with Knight themed mechs.
Don't forget Ben Franklin betraying the Am Rev for a baronship, Napoleon successfully taking the British Isles, and the fact that the Britons elect a Super-King that fends off Caesar's invasion which starts the calendar 50 years before our timeline. None of this history is touched on in the anime beyond a 10 sec glance at a textbook that just has the same page written twice and some little scenes where a student or teacher is saying something while the characters aren't paying attention.
@@Error633 That whole bit of the Briton kings fending off Caesar always seemed like propaganda history. Make their history seems so much more grand.
@@robertgronewold3326 I wouldn't say that Britannia was the only global superpower, though the other two major power (The Chinese Federation and the United Republics of Europe) do seem to see Britannian conquest as inevitable.
In regards to the Caeser timeline, I would agree that it seems extremely unlikely to be a true story, especially with how the Britannian calendar of a.t.b theoretically use the accession of that Briton superking as year 0, but if you reverse the French Revolutionary calendar used by the Europeans, then the French Revolution kicks off in 1789 a.t.b meaning that it is really difficult to say that the a.t.b and ad calendars start at different dates.
I do agree that the iceberg needed a little more work. It felt “same-ish” with WWII, Nazism, Battles/Wars, and Presidential/Political themes throughout. The things that interested me were the not so often discussed topics like Nintendo and Sony or how Antarctica became “green”.
Overall though, I enjoyed this series and good stuff 👌
I like that Code Geass was appended to the list, though pity you didn't cover it. While it's a well known series, its status as Alternate History, and how thorough that history is, is much less well known.
"thorough"
Bro, the point of divergence is in the Roman era yet pretty much nothing except the names of British/English royals changes until the US war of independence.
The writers really murdered the butterflies with that one.
@@gokbay3057 by "thorough" I meant how deep into time the point of divergence was. But you're absolutely right; nothing really impactful changes until the 18th century.
@@gokbay3057the "point of divergence" was King Arthur choosing the Squirrel as his Queen.
> Puts his own book at the deepest level
> Doesn't even break the narration to point it out
> Absolute Chad move
Wow. Even Medival knights wrote their own alternative history.
As a fan of your channel for a few years now, this iceberg series was definitely worth watching and I'm glad it was made. Clued me into a whole lot of interesting alt-his stuff I'd never even heard of, particularly the more niche stuff. I'm also glad you had fun with it, Cody. I certainly look forward to whatever your next project will be since you really do put out good content.
I have never thought about "what if ice didn't cover Antarctica", this probably one of my favorites on the iceberg
Unfortunate that the author went into Garth Ennis levels of edge with the premise.
Weirdest experience ever. I literally thought “I wonder if part 3 of that alternative history iceberg ever got posted”. I open CZcams and it says it got uploaded 19 seconds ago. Creepy
*it’s all a coincidence*
Same thing happened to me, but then again I’ve been checking twice a day to see if it’s been uploaded yet
That happens to me all the time with Dan Carlin. I had a dream one night that he would do a show about Iran, and the next morning he uploads an interview about Iran.
I checked last night wake up this morning and its here lol wtf
Cody lives in your walls
I'd like to see an alternate history timeline for alternate history fiction where the only difference is that our man Turtledove calmed down and dialed it back a little.
Cody and emperor tigerstar do their collaborative review of Harry turtledove's amazing best-selling historical series about an alternate Civil War praising the author and his amazing historical accuracy. They receive millions of views and become trending history and geography based CZcams channels.
Turtledove becomes a household name for his work and gets invited on speaking tours based on various historical topics. Uh...the end.
There's a timeline where Harry Turtledove doesn't write silly alternate history, but goes on to become one of the most respected historians of our time. His intense work ethic and open mind put into the upper crust of historians. In the future, his name is mentioned along side the likes of Plutarch and Tacitus.
@@tonylu2471 This also causes a big ol' nuclear war for some reason.
After realizing his world war book with aliens was stupid, Turtledove turns to astronomy to discover the very aliens he wrote about in order to justify his wild speculations. This leads to a new age and timeline where Astronomy is so extremely influential, that nations become "Astro-cratic," in which furthering Human advancement into the stars is placed above all else. A few years after his death, the Humans of the United Stars of America discover the aliens he planned to write about.
Didn't he write to pay off his children's student loans or something?
"Develop technology at a greater rate than our own." I feel like just this phrase alone is enough of a litmus test to determine how garbage a typical AltHist will probably be, or at the very least how much of a wank of the author's pet political ideas it will end up being.
To be fair, tech progresses when you have lots of people in a complex society long enough.
If any given empire gets a new lease on life through some quirk or by taking over from a dying empire, tech will keep improving.
I like how he added his book in so nonchalantly like we weren't going to notice it😂
I forgot I had bought and read this book 5 years ago LOL. I was like OH YEAH.
We went from “what the nazis won ww2?” At the start of the iceberg to something that predicted the Ukraine-Russia war (roughly)
except it's reversed
Well, actually, the end had Alexander the Great invading west, and the Romans somehow defeated him. Rome was still a very small country, only controlling parts of the Italian coast.
Roughly is a bit of an overstatement
@@fruitpigenthusiast120 you can say that again
@@WoddCar But Ukraine expanded it's territory and invade Belarus in the alt history. You can't say it predicted the Ukrainian Russian war when the opposite happened. Unless, are Russian by any chance?
The story behind A Scotsman in Egypt sounds like exactly something I would do but never develop further than gaming
7:20 just sounds like the dark eldar from 40k
Another great video from you, it's great introducing us to material from different sources. Not just mainstream forms like books or tv, but video games and even mods and fan fiction. Only recently got into watching these iceberg videos but it's a really interesting format. This one has been stimulating and fun in equal measure. Thanks for the hard work.
Hope everything is going ok for your family Cody, thanks for still finding the time to finish this series
@Neyra fucking bots
3:11 is literally just if Russia and Ukraine swapped rolls like a fanfiction of the villains being good guys and the protagonist being the villains.. XD gota laugh at that.
XD Yes truely, the *EXPANSIONOUSE UKRAIN...*
Definitely a mod developed by Putin himself.
Putin’s Fanfiction
@@jaceyb3792 Putting?
@@ButtMash1 Putin Pudding?
This was a great series! Alternate history has always been such an interesting genre to me so I’m glad to have been introduced to all these different stories I could explore, and of course the videos themselves are entertaining as always. I’m looking forward to more content and I wouldn’t mind seeing more of these in the future!
Didn't think we'd have something more unrealistic than time travel but "Libertarians save the world" takes the cake.
It was great for you to cover so many alternate history stories I’ve never heard of and give a short synopsis of the stuff that goes down in each one. Gives me more material that I will have to find time to explore more in depth. Thanks for making this three part video!
Honestly these 3 videos have been amazing and just so fun. Not to mention introducing me to an abundance of cool new stories to check out :D
Thank you so much for this, it was truly a fantastic time.
0:27 -The Place Promised in Our Early Days
1:01 -Point of Existence 2
3:33 -11/22/63
4:07 -Twilight of the Red Tzar
5:14 -Green Antarctica
7:29 -A Golden Island To The West
8:42 -North Amercian Confederacy series
9:58 -Delenda Est
10:50 -July's People
11:15 -Crisis in the Kremlin
11:48 -No Spanish Civil War in 1936
12:45 -No W
13:48 -Voyage
14:16 -The Forest of Time
15:35 -A World Of Laughter, A World Of Tears
16:27 -Jour J
17:15 -Faultline 49
17:49 -From the Fatherland, with Love
18:04 -Attentatet i Pålsjö skog
18:42 -It Happened Here
19:06 -The Bush Soldiers
19:45 -A Scotsman in Egypt
20:17 -If Lee Had Not Won the Battle of Gettysburg
21:52 -World War: War of Equals
22:51 -Tirant lo blanch
23:35 -Aprils In Abaddon
24:15 -Alternate Presidents
25:01 -USA 2002 in 1942
25:44 -A Nixed Result: A 60s Timeline
26:43 -After the End Mood
27:53 -The Alantropa Articles
28:52 -Ab Urbe Condita Libri
Nice
This has inspired me to get going on my alternative history novel. Thanks for the series
And made me even more grateful for Code Geass
How is that going
I’m kinda sad some other Paradox Mods aren’t that popular, as they’re pretty cool. Victoria 2 has some pretty cool mods, especially one of the biggest, DOD.
Not gonna lie, I’m surprised the game Shattered Union didn’t make it onto this list anywhere despite the many similar WW2 ones making it on there.
But thank you for going through this list and fleshing it out for everyone to understand!
This has been really fun! Thank you (and the other creators) for all the work put into this! I definitely have a few new titles to check out that seem very interesting :)
I was not expecting to be here so soon. Been loving your take on the iceberg, but that iceberg sure is a lot of Trutledove stuff. Prolific!
Never gonna give you up! Not the same funny as the Rick stuff, however, I'm happy the video actually said "Spring roll" and not "Egg roll" people confuse the two all the time.
The irony is that there are Turtledove stories that were missed. _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump,_ in which sufficiently understood _divine_ magic replaces technology as we know it, is set in the City of Angels, circa 1980 AD (certainly not CE in _this_ alternate), an important city on the west coast of a continent-spanning empire that has an air quality problem: carpet lint from all the flying carpets.
It's largely understood as a simple search-and-replace of modern America (at the time of writing), except for a few fillips from the divine magic. Souls are demonstrably real, and some of the worst monsters in history are known to have lacked one; it's widely believed (in setting) that having no fear of the afterlife contributed to their monstrous choices. Gods with no worshipers can't empower spells, so corporations and governments pay for artificial cults to keep useful gods active; if Hermes weren't active, telecommunications would stop working. And sometimes the magics interact in a more direct manner; flying carpets are the car-equivalent and are powered by a wind elemental; place an earth elemental on the carpet, and the magics destroy each other. This is a bad thing when flying at speed and altitude.
@@boobah5643 Well, I was saying that there had been a lot of Turtledove books in the icebergs. In any event that does sound like a very cool alt-history storyline, and maybe there could be a Turtledove iceberg too?
I honestly feel like that could be a thing, however, this is not that, so no room for his greatest hits.
I'm not mocking, I want to read that book now!
Wouldn't the settlers of Antartica be more realistically originally from Southern Patagonia?
While Patagonia is closer, the Polynesians had a much more seafaring culture, having sailed all the way to South America from the Pacific at one point. There's also oral records about a Polynesian sailor who found an "icy, mountainous land untouched by the sun." Even though oral record can have exaggeration or legend mixed in, that sounds a lot like Antarctica to me
The Fuegans? Weren’t they on the edge as it was? (Giving credence to the Green Antarctica scenario somewhat)
2:45 call of duty Black Ops zombies "FIVE" war room
Thanks for finishing this video series. Can hear it was hard to get threw, but it was worth it for something i genuinely enjoy.
Heck, this might be one of my favorite series of yours - I know it’s a ton of work. Would love to see it continue with you researching your own iceberg of other alternate history stories. (Or of course we viewers could throw some ideas out there)
I really enjoyed this video a lot. Lots of interesting timelines. Although, it's a shame you never covered 'America's Stepbrother, America's Enemy'. It is a really interesting scenario in my opinion. Hope it gets covered one day since it is really not well known by people. Once again, great video as always!
@Muhamad Tirta Syaikha Basically, 2012 USA gets teleported to the world of Orwell's 1984 (which I think in their timeline is called "The Last Man in Europe"). It gets more interesting from there.
Freesia is another interesting story he missed
After reading the story, it's really a shame that the story stopped getting updated.
@anormalman Really late, but yeah, it's really a shame that 2.0 version of the story never got updated for a long time. I hope someone can make a fan continuation one day.
6:22 is when green antartica got way, way dark. That is interesting to me because at first it just seemed like yet another alternate history world.
Brilliant collection, absorbing insight. Another one out of the park, Cody guy!
I would love a vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s. It would be a real cool one.
Please, please, please!!! Make a video of where American colonies actually coincided with the native tribes without expanding and respect tribal boarders! I really want one on that.
What if Native Americans colonised Afro-Eurasia & Oceania?
I bet it would probably be like Brittan making north America into a Canada or something
America respected their tribal borders. It’s just that tribes didn’t know where their borders actually were. Thankfully America was there to help!! XD :p :(.
@@JcBravo8 Well, no I'm not so sure about that. Because there were confusions about what "the ownership of a road" meant. Because the western colonizers wanted to develop trade routs and there was confusion about what that meant for the land where the roads were laid. I think. I'm not super good at history. 😬 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Unfortunately, I just don’t think that was ever possible…
Even if it were, millions of natives were going to die of smallpox and other diseases regardless of how peaceable relations are. At best, we still see natives being used in colonial conflicts but more on equal terms with their European allies. Eventually, sovereign tribes exist within the United States’ borders that eventually are incorporated as states….On the bright side, no Indian Wars, no genocide, no reservation systems, no boarding schools, etc. This means modern day natives have a much higher standard of living, but even less distinct ethnic and cultural identities as they’ve been assimilated into the greater American society.
Hope you and your family are okay dude, thanks for this series.
27:53 "Now that's a scenario I haven't heard in a loooong time."
Made me smile
Tho not discussed in the vid, I saw code geass mentioned and I have to say that alternate scenario is a really good one imo. the story is also solid with some hiccups in areas but hey not everything is perfect, plus mechs and anime superpowers, so yeah what’s not to like. (Also the dub is class)
I'll just take a guess that such an alt timeline would be too good for a short explanation in an iceberg
In Code Geass universe mention about America who had defeated by England in American Revolution War as a result of establishing Britanian Empire in America that govern by royal monarchy.
Yeah. I was excited to see Code Geass on the list and was hoping he'd cover it briefly like everything else, then it was just skipped entirely. Kind of disappointed, hope it gets covered in a future video. :(
The fact that the first divergence is in the Roman invasion of Britain, then in the Tudor era then in the American War of Independence with pretty much no changes in between I hesitate to call Code Geass good alternate history.
Not to say anything against its quality as a story in general, it is a really good anime.
I'd recommend A Nomad of the Time Streams trilogy by Michael Moorcock. It's a combination alt-history and steampunk where WWI never occurred thus allowing the empires of the 19th-Century to rule in a "utopia." Also, Swastika Night by little-known author Katherine Burdekin in 1937. It's about a man discovering the truth about the Nazi dominated world that has thoroughly rewritten history and mythologized Hitler to basically be Thor. Interesting stuff.
This was the best yt series i saw this year! Thank you, Cody!
love the iceberg and the video! Really got me hooked on some alternative history. 🔥
once again these are the video i wanted form you guys and iam so happy that you guys are making them great to see this
this iceberg is like one of the most interesting one like any other history related lceberg is great and all but this one is the most based one a lot of great things we learn with this
so thanks man for covering this
I think alot of these say alot about the authors and creative minds behind them. Some are pretty far out there. Lol
Loved this series. Thanks for putting it together! 👍👍
Part 3! This has been my favorite series from this channel.
The Ukraine one hits different
Oh, this is the last part? Thats kinda sad. I really really wanted to suggest the current XCOM game trilogy, as its technically an Alternate Timeline. The Alien Invasion unofficially begins in 2015, and officially ends with the destruction of ADVENT in 2038.
But XCOM doesn’t based on real history.
@@taninsuwannatri8411 Neither is Aliens invading Earth during WW2, but that got covered anyways.
@@taninsuwannatri8411 But the other things are
You read your own entry in such a way that no one would know it was yours if they hadn't been paying attention. Respect.
6:40 I just spit my coffee out at work laughing 🤣😭
At a point for the Antartica one it just sounded like the dark eldar from 40k
Duude, I've studied Tirant lo Blanch at high school, so glad that you mentioned it! I loved Martorell's story
this trilogy has made me aware of just how insane Turtledove is
4:26 this is actually very much rooted in reality. Stalin had already committed genocide against multiple ethnic groups in the USSR at this point and the jews would've been the next.
Well, that one about Antarctica escalated pretty effin' quick! lol
But, yeah, I agree that this section of the iceberg really should've been placed higher, this had some of the most interesting ones! It's also very fascinating how frequently 2nd civil war and especially stories about the U.S. collapsing and states otherwise seceding appear in alternate history. Not to get political or come across as cynically nihilistic or whatever, but I think it speaks to a strong sense of regionalism and diversity in American culture. I mean, a lot of it has to do with the power and prestige the U.S. holds in global affairs and it's interesting and perhaps troubling to imagine what the world would look like without the militaristic and diplomatic force it projects to maintain the current unipolar global order. I'm kind of rambling at this point, but I think it's an interesting look into both the reality of a deeply culturally divided society as well as an underlying sense of national insecurity.
It really isn't all that fascinating imo. Just standard creator provincialism. Most AH writers (and audience) are Americans, so most scenarios focus on America.
Just like how Sci-fi/Fantasy authors (and audience) being human leads to there being humans in pretty important roles in pretty much every Sci-fi/Fantasy universe.
If China was a democracy and there were tons of Chinese AH authors in public sphere I would guess there would be lots more China focused timelines, including ones that see secessions and civil wars.
Please make more of this in the future, it’s really interesting!
Thank you for this amazing 3-part series. Thank you ✌🏾
I'd love to see your own take on something like this to see what you would choose to include and where you would place it. Also, I admire your self control to not mention you wrote Atlantropa lol
I double tapped on accident at 9:43 which took me forward 5 seconds and nothing could prepare me for what happened
Between y’all and me, this series cheers in to the homage, dedication, and genuine creativity that was the concept of alternate history
Cheers and salute to have enjoyed these five years of experiencing such curious knowledge. It’s been an honor to belong and delve into these strange and amusing ideas. It’s great to have genuine folk like Cody and others
Cody thank you for this content one of the best series I think I've ever seen on CZcams
What a wild ride though various timelines. Thank you for the time you put into making these
Seeing your own novel in their was one of my favorite things Cody. Great series!
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