Oxford high school shooter Miller hearing
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2023
- A final day of testimony in the sentencing of the Oxford High School shooter is scheduled for Friday, where the court will listen to a final witness from the prosecution.
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I am not making excuses for Ethan but shame on his parents
shame on our society!
His parents absolutely failed him.
@@sarahdov4820nah his parents, he’s their responsibility. Don’t want to be a parent? Don’t have a kid 🤷
I'm not making an excuse for the drunk driver, but shame on the liquor store.
Ethan knew EXACTLY what he was doing! He admitted he was going to get his parents to buy the gun!
How is the state convicting Ethan and saying he doesn’t have any mental health issues but then these exact same prosecutors that are charging Ethan’s parents saying it was clear he had mental health issues and they should have been able to foresee something happening. The prosecutors said the parents ignored his repeated calls for mental health help but yet here they have someone on the stand to say he acted in a clear mind and had no mental health issues. This is just gross!!!
I think they're saying he had depression mental health issues. But not psychosis mental health.
@@jen23719 no they said he didn’t qualify for any mental health issues.
The Defense couldn’t name a mental health issue he had. He didn’t have a psychotic episode. He could have told his school he needed help.
@@mallori6610That means he doesn’t have one. Some people are just EVIL
We all have mental health issues at any time in our lives. If he had one that would explain his actions he would be pleading INSANITY but his Defense did not. Why cause he doesn’t fit the definition of INSANE due to mental health.
love how the judge talks, speaks.
This is sad on so many levels! So many lives destroyed!😢
None purposely
Good one captain obvious.
@sss111sssthe only killing of what you call animals are mosquitoes and fly’s. They can cause sickness. . And I don’t regret that at all. But people and birds would never ever cross my mind. Wondering about you , are you capable to do that? Are you a vegan ? Or meat eater?
@@josabo7078he did it on purpose and was found to be not pyschotic at all. He was ruled to not have any mental health issues or diagnosis or disability. He was found competent to stand trial & was charged as an adult over it. 4 different drs found him to not have mental health issues.
@@josabo7078in fact it absolutely was done on purpose. He planned it, set an alarm at 5am to get up and get the gun, then find the bullets kept in a separate spot, is written in a letter prior to him doing it. He planned on doing it, he wanted to hurt people as he enjoys hurting people, animals, his parents, people who didn’t accept him for him.
If they em him with no mental illness , then how can they find his mother or father responsible for not seeking help for their son?
Never let this kid out of prison.
@sss111sssnice cliche but no not everyone does
Premeditation…evil
I'm just glad he said he did it,
I just watched this prosecutor berate Ethan's mother for not getting him mental health treatment. Six months ago she told the judge Ethan was not mentally ill. How can you trust people like this with justice?
Or maybe his mother was a liar?
Everyone is using Ethan to win their case.May our heavenly Father show mercy upon Ethan.
Karen McDonald told Ethan Crumbley's judge that Ethan was NOT mentally ill. Then she told Ethan's mother's judge she was negligent for not getting Ethan help for mental illness.@@jrrd4069
Right! The prosecutor HERE states he had no mental illness. Same with the psychiatrist. So how was the mother suppose to know he needed mental health care? This prosecutor is blaming mother for not getting him mental health care but here he says he’s fine!?!?!z?
He was not Mentally ill why do people keep saying they should have gotten him help it was never anything wrong with him
Check in on your children everyday , ask them hows its going , are they worried about things , how they are feeling .Always make time to listen
Yeah because that is all you need to do to stop a psychopath from living out his power craving fantasies. 🙄😪
If Ethan felt so bad and suicidal (considering he planned to stay alive) why take innocent people's lives. He deserves life without parole for what he planned and carried out.
He begged and begged his mother for help for a Doctor and she wouldn't do it for him because she couldn't afford to pay for her horses and adapter both , so I hope that answers your question, oh did I mention she decided to buy him the 9mm instead of the Doctor?? Apparently in 9 mmm cheaper than a doctor go figure.. Mom should also be in trial whatever he gets she should get twice as much
HIS PARENTS ARE HORRIBLE .
SO NEGLECTFULL AND IGNORANT AND COLD.
UNEDUCATED PARENTS . NO INTEREST IN THEIR KID, JUST WORK AND HORSES. AND CHEATING. LAUGHING AT HIM, BOUGHT A MENTAL ILL 15 YEAR OLD A GUN. JUST CRAZY.
HOPE THE PARENTS GET CONVICTED TOO.
IN NORWAY WE HAVE FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL CHILDREN, EVEN DENTAL CARE FROM BIRTH TILL 19 YEARS IS FREE.
HEALTH CARE IN HOSPITAL FOR EVERY ONE IS FREE, PAYED THROUGH OUR TAX SYSTEM.
STRICT GUN LAWS HERE. NOT MANY PEOPLE HERE HAVE WEAPONS. NO NEED FOR IT, UNLESS YOU ARE A HUNTER OF MOOSE ETC
Exactly, suicidal is just that, suicidal...they don't think about hurting others...the mentally ill are not out here killing others.
@@AfricanRoots-gz9qtThat is not entirely accurate as much of the research literature has indicated a positive association between clinical depression and aggression. It is not so for all, but it is the case for many. Even more specifically, those who experience uncharacteristic feelings of aggression rarely act out in an inappropriate manner, however there are unfortunately cases in which some do. He wrote in his journal that he wanted other people to feel his pain. That is a common sentiment in such individuals above that is separate/distinct from the construct of sadism. There’s no way for any of us to know with absolute certainty which kind of person this kid is, but it sounds like he had a horrible life and was neglected by nearly everybody around him. Nothing like Nikolas Cruz, for example, who seemed [to me] to endorse ACTUALLY sadistic qualities, killing his classmates not because he was severely depressed but because he was aroused by the thought of inflicting enormous suffering upon others. This kid does not seem anything like that
@@AfricanRoots-gz9qtThat is not entirely accurate as much of the research literature has indicated a positive association between clinical depression and aggression. It is not so for all, but it is the case for many. Even more specifically, those who experience uncharacteristic feelings of aggression rarely act out in an inappropriate manner, however there are unfortunately cases in which some do. He wrote in his journal that he wanted other people to feel his pain. That is a common sentiment in such individuals above that is separate/distinct from the construct of sadism. There’s no way for any of us to know with absolute certainty which kind of person this kid is, but it sounds like he had a horrible life and was neglected by nearly everybody around him. Nothing like Nikolas Cruz, for example, who seemed [to me] to endorse ACTUALLY sadistic qualities, killing his classmates not because he was severely depressed but because he was aroused by the thought of inflicting enormous suffering upon others. This kid does not seem anything like that
Having raised 5 children, 3 adopted special needs boys, and now raising 2 15-year-old grandsons, I find an overarching denial of Ethan's brain development, grief, and poor parenting. He was denied help months ago and on the day of the shooting. He did not steal the gun ; guns were a welcome part of family life in his home, It was the one thing his parents gave him positive attention. His teachers were blind, and the counselors were even less helpful. We are a country full of school shootings. It is far from a new and different event. There were so many signs and other cases to learn from, but they did not take Ethan's distress seriously. Nor is the court system- I refrain from calling it a justice system- treating him like the child he is. Of course, he can be rehabilitated if given love, guidance, therapy, and meaningful training/education, God help these " adults" who have the power to oppress and control the vulnerable.
I'm sure you'd feel the same way if he shot your kid in the face , he's a sadist , fantasized about killing toddlers and raping a damn classmate
Amen!!! 16:32 I have encountered numerous psychiatrists who are clueless. This Doctor isn’t grasping the totality of Ethan’s level of functioning. He wasn’t capable of ADLs (13 cavities due to lack of brushing) and I’m confident he had issues with IADLs. Hence, his extreme anxiety about his future. This Doctor doesn’t get it. It angers me that our mental health system is so broken. This kid is begging for help. This is another failure. Parents, educational system, and now the medical field. THANK GOD I didn’t rely on the inept “experts” and didn’t give up until I found a competent Doctor. For anyone struggling as you seek for competent mental health care please don’t give your power away. Advocate for your children. Don’t give up!!! Thank you, Ma’am for being a conscious, compassionate, and empathetic Soul❣️ As a society, we MUST do better!!! Education and awareness are paramount!!! 💔
@@Nurturing2The lack of self care such as teeth brushing can also be due to laziness and tiredness. His parents and many others allow kids to just be up all night on their tech and then they have to go to school on no sleep. If they aren't being monitored it's no wonder they choose to play video games non stop over homework and sleep.
you basically recapped what everyone watched
@@TimApple.Unfortunately not everyone feels the same way.
It's clear his parents failed him yet you have people claiming the parents are innocent.
I hope his parents are convicted as well, we need to start holding parents accountable across the country! As a society we always just put all the blame the kid, in reality poor parenting has a significant impact on how a child turns out.
Your the reason I came to the comments, this boy begged and begged his mom for help, he kept saying he was going to to harm himself or others he wanted to see a Doctor, but the Mom refused him because she couldn't pay for a Doctor and her precious horses , so her answer was to go out and buy him a 9 mm gun with bullets. On the day of the shooting Mom and Dad were called into the school for his bad behavior so clearly he waited just wanting their attention and the school wanted the parents to take him home but instead they chose to out the principal and leave the there..
Unfortunately because of Mom's actions or lack of many people lost their lives and many others lives were changed forever 😢
I don't always agree with people when they want to blame the parents but in this case I very much agree with you and we can only pray that Mom and Dad do jail time because they definitely deserve it. I also feel that Aiden fugees mom definitely deserves to be behind bars
I totally agree. What horrible parents they were.
@@marciayoung8735he’s an animal that needs to be put down. Too many excuses for these people.
His parents are cowards. Big mouths, weak character.
Are you serious?? We should “START” holding the parents accountable??? Now I am not arguing it on this case as I don’t know anything except this video. But almost every school shooting or almost all publicized horrific cases involving children the first thing people commenting is blaming their parents. So I think society already does.
One thing that is extremely relevant is this case: the defense did not go for a defense of not guilty by reason of insanity. Defense, either your client is insane with a chance of rehabilitation or he isn’t. You yourself said he was in this position because of untreated mental illness. Then why didn’t you go with the defense of not guilty by reason of insanity? I believe the reason why is because you as a defender, could NOT win.
There really is such a thing as pure evil.
@@ashleyseeley5570 perhaps I’m a little too close to this to be objective. I live in the Oxford school district. In my opinion, what this defendant did is indefensible.
@@evelynpickwick9822I’m sorry for the tragedy you experienced…
But nobody is defending his acts… They are horrific. However I believe that sentencing a kid who didn’t even had a fully developed brain, lived in a household that was negligent, violent and had guns, given that he didn’t receive help even though it was so clear he was struggling, even though he even asked for it, the ability of parole only means that he could get out if he shows rehabilitation…
@@javieratoledo9262 hell no! I too have a close connection to this travesty. And absolutely never want him to be allowed in society. He killed Madisyn as she was on the floor in the fetal position. If he gets out you want him living next door yo you??????
It's intentionally extremely difficult to get an insanity defense in court. That doesn't mean he's normal
They couldn’t go for insanity as 4 drs found him to not be mentally unwell in any way. He chose to do it. He’s evil and nothing more. He hid his deviousness from everyone, except his friend, who is the same type of person he is, evil.
The school counselor and admin said he expressed suicidal ideations that morning. Why didn't they call an ambulance and police and transport him to hospital intake on that day? They had authority to do so but chose to hold a family meeting instead?
Depositions are sworn testimony with a court reporter and witnesses are questioned under oath. Johnson said he's learned that teachers and counselors at the school should have spotted warning signs for months before that terrible day.
THE JUGDE NEEDS A MIC
It's incomprehensible how anyone could reason that this monster should have any chance at freedom.
You never solve or prevent these horrible incidents by calling them monsters!Its ridiculous and not helpful!
@@alexsanteri1 Would you like to ask the parents of the people he killed what they'd call him?
@@alexsanteri1it's sickening that people never think any of this sort of thing can be prevented. I think it could have been.
@@fordguy91790 You didnt get my point!We are all more than sorry for their loss!!!
@@alexsanteri1 And you didn't answer my question. My calling a spade a spade would not have prevented what happened or otherwise contributed to the long history of atrocious things this kid did. I'd say your anger is hilariously misplaced.
Jennifer Crumbly needed this lawyer, lol.
School did suck in the 80s but the last thing we would want to do is bring a gun to school
That’s what I’m talking about because back in the days we use to be more into our boyfriends and girlfriends than bringing a gun to school
Boys who were more manly than what we see today BROUGHT GUNS IN THEIR TRUCK WINDOW! where were you at? Cowboys still have guns!
It sucked in the 90s too, but these teenagers would settle their petty beef at a spot after school, and they settled it with fists.
Now guns are legal to open carry and shoot whoever doesn't get out of the way
@@lovewins7412Exactly, and regardless of the outcome everyone lived to see another day.
He has issues. Of course. But belongs to jail for rest of his lost life
I can't stand to hear what he did to those students and poor baby birds but I'm glad I watched this whole hearing cuz I didn't realize just how evil he is....I had assumed he shot into the crowd of students I didn't know how personal he made it by killing them at point blank range and making sure to hit vital areas intending to kill every person he shot...he is evil and doesn't deserve to ever get out...his parents didn't help for sure but idk if that would have changed anything cuz some people are just born evil...it was touching to hear how Justin tried to help the younger student he was a hero and that story needs to be told more cuz I hadn't heard about what Justin did until this hearing and I'm sure even tho his parents are brokenhearted I'm sure they're proud of him ❤
Me 2. Plus he planned to make people suffer. He wanted to make students suffer especially attractive girls.
He isn’t mentally ill, he’s pure evil & as this dr & others said, he evil. The only person who knew was his friend who was mentally ill. He googled what and how to act. He never told his parents that he needed help at all. He is a evil person born that way & manipulating.
Yes i believe even if he had got "help" and had a mother who gave him all the attention and love he wanted, he still would have killed for a sense of power or any other reason like not having a girlfriend. Killing was obviously a fantasy of his. All this talk of "he needed help", you know he could have asked the teachers for it if he really wanted it. I think he chose killing over getting help because that is what he really wanted. So many people have fallen for this "help" narrative, and it has put the blame on his parents which is typical of psychopaths to do!
Love this intelligent & respectful dialogue between these women. The psychologist is top- notch compared with that of the defence🧑🎓
I think she is a psychiatrist, so she is first a medical doctor, she is pretty competent in my opinion
This guy did have problems before this shooting. Just hope he gets help while serving his sentence.
He is on three medications now and gets therapy in prison.
To the defense attorney. If you are so sure he can be rehabilitated; how about we release him, but he has to come live with you for the next 10 years and if he doesn't kill you then he can have the possible chance of parole. Would you submit to that?!
Hahaha nicee
I will submit to that
You must be a Trump hater. If you can't understand the role of a defense attorney. It's almost safe to say that you have the intelligence of a Trump hater...
what an embarrassing comment by you
@@jakespag you have rights to your own opinion
Just a reminder Ethan did cry during the assistant school teacher's recounting of the shooting. He also spared that administrator's life. I 100% blame the parents and school+parents organizational dynamics/laws
He responded to that woman's love for him. He is not beyond rehabilitation.
@@greg9497the drs clearly said he didn’t have any mental issues and wasn’t found to be incompetent. He was lying about being pyschotic and faked what he was acting out and was tried as an adult.
@@greg9497he’s evil and should never be free or even with other teens in any situation or jail setting.
I'm not necessrily saying he should be free. In some ways, jail might be the best place for him. But, he should be given meds and counseling. I think that, with those things in his life, he could be rehabilitated, like the one psychiatrist said, even if he lives the rest of his life behind bars.
Regardless of up bringing he knew & planned ahead, death penalty or life in prison without parole. As for the parents they should have been reported many years ago even by their son.
Are its parents still locked up?
I believe so yes
Yes....
Yup 👍
There are no laws that say parents have to parent lawfully until the child gets caught doing things unlawfully while still a minor
@@mildredwarren6685-- but there are laws against having a minor be the owner of a handgun, there are laws against buying a gun under your own name that you intend to give to somebody else, and what we need to do is get much better laws, requiring safe storage of firearms.
The parents did many many many things wrong in this case. Unfortunately, the majority of them are not things that we currently have laws against. But some of the gun stuff we already have laws against.
These parents need to be used as an example of why we need better safe storage laws.
Of what I've seen so far, I feel Ethan's parents should be convicted.
@sss111sssuh he is going to prison for life. No need for any education now. It's far too late.
Of course they hold some culpability but overall it was he himself that chose to do what he did. At any point he could have stopped his plans but did not. It is he who deserves the consequences of those actions.
@sss111sss would still think the same if he shot your kid or relatives in the face, he planned this, fantasized about killing children and raping and torturing a classmate. Your mental
Absolutely 💯
@NeoNeo01101😂😂
The other actor in the shooting were his parents who put a weapon in his hands trsined him in the use. And once caught drawing his fantasy in school his mom said just dont get caught ur not in trouble. She needed to51 50 him but naw her horses and affair took priority because at 10 he begged her to come home in text after text after text. He said he was seeing things. Shè was busy doing *something* else so much so she never replied.
Completely agreed. They need to keep the parents locked up also.
Life without parole
How much time did he get this case been going on for far to long
He took lives and their futures. He should pay for it with his life and his future.
When I first started watching this, I was just not sure if he should have parole or not. I was undecided. Watching him sitting there I did feel bad for him. However, when they started showing and talking about the torture of theses baby birds, I was shocked and also sickened. This is a young man, who will absolutely become a serial killer! IMO - he went over the edge by doing what he did to the birds ! If he can do this and actually enjoy it…… we’ll he has gone over the edge , he has gone to far, he can’t go back, he can’t change what he did. He will become a serial killer eventually, this is another Jeffery Dahmer! He should not get out. He has felt what it was like to torture birds, he liked it! He can’t change those feelings! The only thing that will change is that he will be older, stronger, and much more capable of killing. He will learn things in jail that will just help him become a smarter serial killer. 😢
Duh that’s why he shot up the school 🤦🏽♀️
I agree. He will have lots of friends. He almost had a smirk on his face when the prosecution spoke of his horrendous behavior. I just seemed like he was proud of himself.
@@mylesastinnette6208 He is a very sick young man. He was abandoned by his parents, by them ignoring him. They were more interested in themselves. They also should be charged with accessory to murder. They bought him the gun! I still feel bad for him. He had no chance to grow and developed into a good human being. Some people should just never have children. :(
But there is no scientific method or any certainty that he will not be rehabilitated.
He was a kid with severe mental health issues, surrounded by a neglectful, violent, prone to conspiracies family that didn’t get the help he asked for! His acts are horrible, horrific… But his brain wasn’t even fully developed and that he asked for help, to me shows he knew he needed help to stop.
As her defense lawyer said receiving the possibility of parole doesn’t mean he will walk out, it just means that if he shows he’s rehabilitated he could get out in many years from now.
@@javieratoledo9262 This is so true as well. Good points. I guess it is all up to the judge for sure. I do feel sorry for this boy for sure. But what he did to those baby birds will haunt me for a very long time. . It will be interesting to see how the judge makes his decision.
How is it legal to compare one person to another person? How did she get someone’s else’s medical information? I am a parent, he was asking for help, but how many of us had a hard time in high school an kept silent, and just knew this will be over eventually. if the gun was not bought for him it may not have happened. But now as a parent I can not imagine sitting in that room listening to this looking at him knowing he killed my child for no reason 😢 and who wants the job of deciding if he can be rehabilitated? my prayers to all involved.
I'm not sure, but I believe that the other person's psych eval was able to be discussed because they were evidence discussed in a previous trial and fall under court records as opposed to information covered under HIPPA
It’s different when you have a mental Illness I have a mental illness and I deal with it every day of my life. I take my medication but it takes a long time and you can’t just diagnose someone that easily. It’s very hard to deal with and to get through every day on a daily basis.
even if it didn't happen he High school he would have ended up killing someone because he actually planned it everyday, he wrote about it, he planned on executing it and he did
This kid was showing signs of being psychotic with the animal torture he is beyond help but they should have been paying attention to his journals and texts to his friends
❤❤❤❤❤ New South Wales, Australia
What is the "T" score?
The what ifs are numerous in this case.
Ethan parents are despicable. Even if the shooting didn’t happen the scars of that type of neglect are tremendous.
The same evidence that shows this was planned, shows the lack of awareness, care, responsibility of his family and community. In general we don’t see neglect documented so clearly. What would have happened if he had received treatment? If his parents didn’t just yawn when he said he was hearing voices? If they took him to a doctor? If school counselors didn’t have thousands of kids to watch out?
What if there was an awakening about guns? School shootings are not a thing in countries with strict gun laws. How many deaths per year until people agree to the fact that the second amendment is hurting? That is not normal that students and teachers have to have drills for shootings.., that the school years shouldn’t be lived with fear about guns…
Eliminate the guns, eliminate the killings.
It's not the gun, it's the person using the gun. Taking guns away from everyone is ridiculous. The second amendment is in place to help us as american citizens. It is there to protect us from a tyrantic government. Our country is in dire straights with our current government. Having the right to bear arms is one of the only things keeping our government from COMPLETE control over us (American Citizens). I agree guns should not be put in the hands of someone who is mentally unstable (like Mr. Crumbley).
2:05:34 2:05:34 2:05:34 2:05:34 2:05:34 Thank you for your voice of reason. ❤
New South Wales, Australia
100 % accurate! Took Australia ONE incident to make the needed changes. Decades ago, they figured out the obvious
How could his parents do this to him to make him turn out like this 😢 im praying he get the help he need in jail
He's going to be in jail forever and then hell
@NeoNeo01101yup right in the butt lol he never been with a girl before either
@NeoNeo01101tell us you have no clue what you’re talking about & didn’t watch this video as it clearly explains he’s never been around any adult. Juveniles can’t be housed with any adult until they are of legal age. Again, tell us you don’t know what you’re talking about, without telling us! Lol
I watch this my heart breaks for the families its just evil😢
He think he is violent he went after innocent kids when he hit that prison he going see what real face to face violence is but he going be the prey instead of the predator lol he just don’t know what he got himself into
People with psychosis may not demonstrate psychotic symptoms before the acute symptoms occur. Part of psychosis is when a patient masks symptoms. What is the MMPI3?
People need to understand the difference between mental illness/psychosis and criminal psychopathy. There is no concrete evidence that psychopathy can be rehabilitated.
Prosecutor should have never thrown a fit in the courtroom. She did not make herself look professional at all. Parents should get life too! Oxford Schools has been problematic for many years. I moved my children to Lake Orion, from Oxford, and all the problems stopped. Yes give the boy life. But the prosecutor needs to quit making it about her, and hold her temper!
DEFENSE LAWYER, FEMALE WITH BLACK HAIR, SHE IS CLEARLY ANGRY AND HAS A TEMPER.
IS IT HER YOU MEAN ?
2:08 during closing to the judge the defense is absolutely correct. You can’t argue, as this prosecution did, is 100% what is going to overturn one of the two verdicts, that Ethan isn’t mentally depressed or have any mental illness, & then argue against him being so mentally ill in the mothers trial. He was charged as an adult also & therefore, the courts will have a 2nd huge discretion, you don’t charge parents when the defense demands a defendant charged as an “adult”. I’ve gotta ask LYK these questions.
I’ve been screaming this ever since this miller hearing! I can’t believe so many people obviously missed hearing from this psychiatrist.
School sucked! Back in the eighties i cant imagine how petty it is now. Its not for everyone. They finding out.
Unfortunately. I hated school too. All the cliques and pettiness. I ended up quitting, but had my GED over a year before my class graduated, plus had started community College.
I wasn’t fond of school but the very THOUGHT of murdering someone never entered my mind!
It’s not about school in this case, it’s about the demonic personality of this animal abusing, sub human murderer.
@@lovewins7412 keep pushing forward life gets better as you age, you will learn more about yourself and this opens many doors of opportunities if you decide to pursue your interests.
@offdutytootieBooBoo, yes, agreed I'm 23.
Halfmoon bay mass shooter Chunli Zhao
Monterey park mass shooter Huu Can Tran any update on these?
The judge also granted a defense motion to keep cameras out of the courtroom (Zhao)
Tran died in shooting
So no verdict reached?
Nicolus Cruz did the exact same thing for this prosecutor to stand up there and lie should have her disbarred. He wanted to watch people suffer, the ones who picked on him, he also lived & surrendered without incident. Why is she blatantly lying?? If she agrees with the defense and experts then why is she asking for him to be charged as an adult? They’ve already got appeals in that the Supreme Court will overturn.
These "defense" lawyers are soulless.
It’s their job they most likely wanted him to go to prison
Is this current today??
Yes
Good question!
Yeah so Jennifer crumbley they charged and said it cause she missed hisental.health problems... yet here they say he has none smh.
This trial is akin to "It's mum's fault i'm evil" the gun didnt have to be locked away according to law in that state at the time. She read him wrong, thought it was depression, not surprising when you consider psychopaths are very good at being deceptive.
If EC had no access to a gun, it would have been a knife. The 9mm just made it easier to facilitate what he planned for months. His manifesto indicates he wanted to drown toddlers, rape a girl, and kill classmates. This was after he tortured and killed birds (with whatever tools he had at his disposal). Where there was a will, there was a way for EC; his need to feed off of his evil desires without trepidation or conscience but joy is a reflection of just how decrepit his heart is.
terrible audio
Exactly ! 👍 also charging him as adult so why are parents accountable ; dangerous precedent . If we give a kid a car and they mow down people are parents responsible ;
Absolutely terrible(anyone else notice the judges awesome waves lol)
My dog died. What does the Defence want.... this is so disgusting to the victims
The attorneys on both sides are doing their job. And I think both of them did a very good job of presenting their cases. If you want this young man to be found guilty and not have very many reasons to ask for a new trial by claiming he didn't have sufficient legal representation, then you want the defense attorney to do a good job the first time around.
Hearing that he sat alone at lunch made me feel bad. He probably saw his classmates were doing well in school, had parents that probably cared about them. Ethan never felt that. The school is half responsible, they searched a Hispanic kids locker for drugs but they didn’t think to check Ethan’s locker and book bag and didn’t. The school officials obviously were racist!
The school is to blame that he doesn't have friends? Your comment makes no sense. If anyone is to blame it's his parents and his upbringing and Ethan himself, you can't blame a school for the kid not fitting in.
@@iD3AD3YE by no means am I blaming the school for Ethan not having friends, yes the parents are to blame but the school counselor and the dean were in the room with the parent said that in the office on November 30 they knew he had a fascination with guns and that he was searching ammunition and you would’ve thought that what they saw on the paper they didn’t double check their work and say well just to be on the safe side. Let’s check Ethan‘s locker and backpack and the school counselor. Mr. Hopkins sent Ethan back to class because he felt like he was only a threat to himself not to other people, so the parents being not as great as they were they probably went off with a counselor said, and they felt that you know he made a great decision, so they went along with that.
You know who I feel bad for? Tate, Madysin, Hana, and Justin, their parents, siblings, and loved ones. I feel bad for the 6 students and teacher who were shot and wounded. I feel bad for an entire community who is still grieving. I feel bad for the students who are traumatized. I am sickened by the way this evil scumbag enjoyed watching people die. How much he looked forward to the media attention. The school didn’t create this monster. The school wanted his parents to take him home and to get psychiatric help the day of the murders. They thought he might be suicidal. On learning the parents were going to return to work, and thus leave him home alone, the school did not send him home. The parents agreed to get him help within 48 hours. The school had no idea the evil scumbag had a gun of his own. The Hispanic student was not the only student in Oxford high to ever have a locker search. Not saying there isn’t racism in this (my) community. I’m sure there is racism here as much as anywhere else. Just saying, it doesn’t apply in this case. @impalaguy22 he doesn’t deserve your pity. He deserves contempt. I pray he gets LWOP.
@@evelynpickwick9822ITS OKAY TO FEEL BAD FOR ETHAN TOO!!!! NO ONE GAVE TWO $#ITS ABOUT HIM!! I believe all of that. I believe this could have been prevented SO THAT'S why we can have EMPATHY for a juvenile murder. The kid felt nothing and wanted everyone to suffer like he did. It's not hard to see. It's so sickening how people treat others then find it shocking when things like this happen. Wow
@@evelynpickwick9822another person who didn’t watch the trial and doesn’t know the facts of the case, didn’t watch the hearing, or trials, don’t know but keep repeating lies. Had you watched this video you would know it was found he was faking or feigning it by 3 out of 4 doctors & lying. His school teacher and counselor couldn’t believe it was him, didn’t believe he would ever do anything like this. He was an evil little monster lying and feigning. He never once told his parents he needed help, proven by thousands of texts. The only person who knew was his crazy friend who he was trying to be like.
This dude looks off
His lawyer is pretty good
Looks the part
Lol
When is he going to be sentenced?
Not soon enough.
sounded like sometime in November later this year but I couldn't make heads out the most of the audio.@@evelynpickwick9822
Dec 8.
Nov 8
IF HE WAS SO ANGRY AT HIS PARENTS, OR DISAPPOINTED OF THEM, WHY DID HE NOT ATTACH THEM INSTEAD ???
Good point
Oh my she is sassy ! Snotty
wheres the volume
He’s still not in prison yet he’s hanging out in the ocj I saw him twice
The defense attorney looks like "other mother" from Coraline. Anyone with me?
I’m sorry but if Ethan doesn’t have a mental health issue that led to this act, I’ve lost all confidence in the field of psychiatry! I’ve never had confidence in the treatments however, I used to believe that diagnosis was fairly competent! His age and lifestyle (food, sleep and home life) also being factors. I don’t believe he is a sociopath like in other similar bad acts. Tragic for so many lives 😢prayers to all the victims.
Mortician is getting on my nerves.
I see he suddenly needs glasses, ???
Nah he always had glasses, in moms trial she talks about how he used to get headaches all the time and they didn’t know why, then they discovered it was due to poor eyesight and his glasses corrected that. So he has been wearing glasses for a few years now is what she said
I don’t understand how these attorneys think that acting this way is going to be favorable to them. Even when they say “you may not like me but don’t take that out on my client” - are they forgetting that jurors are PEOPLE⁉️
I agree generally, but also this is a miller hearing so there are no jurors!
why does the defense attorney keep giving the prosecutor dirty looks?????? It's quite obvious, a little distracting...but also funny !!!!! it is distracting, the hateful looks.......she's still doing it !!!
SHE NEEDS A LITTLE HAIRCUT TOO
His parents are completely to blame, poor guy was crying out for help and they ignored him
They all belong to jail
The parents also deserve long prison sentences
Poor guy? You mean mindless animal. These people are always committing these crimes.
Poor guy wtf ....would you say poor guy to someone who shoots and kills your relatives or family members smh
Unfortunately the prosecution in this case is correct we underestimate the fate of anatomically differently built brains the impulsive need to commit cruel acts which would be abhorrent to most of us but brings relief to such people ❤is real.
He's so vile...
No armchair watchers. What was the point of this? To get him into a mental hospital vs prison?
the point was to determine whether he would get life without parole, or life with the possibility of parole
He looks evil
He looks like a very sedated person so he’s not responsive.
@@dudemorris7769 u right. I might've been referring to the thumbnail. Ion remember what I was looking at when I made that comment
This kid was crying for help.
His parents failed him!
No he wasn’t he was lying to make up an alibi for what he planned to do nothing was wrong with this boy
Guess you didn’t watch this fully either. There was no cry for help, he only told his friend these things, and not once his parents, which was shown in court. Not ine message, one phone call for him being depressed was sent to him, asking for a dr, not one, other than to his friend who we found out was mentally ill. He was “feigning it” as discussed with 3 of the 4 psychiatrists who seen him personally. He was faking it & admitted to faking it. He’s pure evil & was lying & manipulating his parents.
@@dudemorris7769 when you are telling your parents you are seeing ghosts and texting repeatedly "text me back" "answer me please"... that's a cry for help.
Lock this little fool up for life already damn!!!🙄
This expert is so paid off it's not even funny...
She can't even admit the Ethan wasn't future-oriented...😂
2:10:23 - Peoples Rebuttal Close - Karen McDonald 💯 integrity intact. The audacity of the defense! Thank you Prosecution! Justice for the community of Oxford! This defendant is appalling. Great job. NOT mental illness... All my respect. Its insulting that this defendant is trying for parole. Please Honorable Rowe, this defendant deserves LWOP. Very clearly
Somebody who doesn't suffer from mental illness would commit a crime like this?
any update on these?
Halfmoon bay mass shooter Chunli Zhao
Monterey park mass shooter Huu Can Tran
He absolutely does not there are a lot of factors here some of you have no heart
If the judge would let me get him I would take him home and love him as if he was my own i live in ct.
@@lisavandecar9083agreed.
sound SOUND sound
I believe 100% that this is the parents fault.
This kid was abandoned by his parents long ago. when he was arrested i bet they failed to give him a blood drug and alcohol test.. since we see the father gave drugs to both his sons.
I wonder what Ethan was like as a child before puberty? Did he show signs of conduct disorder?
We don't know because the parents weren't paying attention!
The VP said he was a happy Joyful kid that’s why she said she couldn’t believe he did this
@@Buffalo-Soldierhe was left alone as early as age 5. Described as a “feral” child.
@@Audacity0708so you say when the teachers in his mothers trial couldn’t believe it was him. It was only the last 3 - 6 months of his life when his friend was stuck in a mental facility without warning, that he became withdrawn & hid every thing from his parents.
@@Audacity0708so you say when the teachers in his mothers trial couldn’t believe it was him. It was only the last 3 - 6 months of his life when his friend was stuck in a mental facility without warning, that he became withdrawn & hid every thing from his parents.
must be boring AF for him to sit there during these long trials knowing hes gunna spend rest of his life (or at least the next 25 years) in prison.
I have watched all of these court proceedings. In my opinion he knew and planned this horrible crime!!! He took lives of young people!!! He deserves life in prison without parole !!!! He wanted life in prison so let’s give him that!!! He gave lots life with Jesus!!! What a evil person he is!!! He doesn’t have mental illness he’s just evil walking ,,,, what a waste of a human he’s become by his actions!!
This psychiatrist is totally full of herself. She is attaching findings with her already decided on diagnosis.
Why the defence is opening the argument with the insanity factor while they did withdraw tat very line of defence when EC pleaded guilty...it is absolutely irrelevant at this point, it is contradictory.
Out of all the shooters , this one is different! Beings I been suicidal severely depressed and wanted to shoot up my school when I was 17 , now I’m 46 , thank God I didn’t but he’s SEVERELY depressed etc clearly ! I blame his parents for not paying attention to the clearly seen depression in this kid ! And providing a gun to him knowing he had severe issues ! But yes he should reap for shooting others but he also def needs mental health ! This is terrible for everyone! Poor kids ❤ but I don’t have any pity for his parents who should def be held accountable being adults and their obviously terrible ignoring parenting
I’m convinced the mother wanted him to kill himself
Well the 4 psychiatrists claim he wasn’t mentally disturbed, mentally unstable, depressed, or pyschotic. He’s plain evil & never told his parents one time he was mentally unstable or depressed. They knew he was and tried to do things with him over his friend being taken away due to mental illness. He didn’t want to be stuck in a mental hospital like his friend.
Why is this taking so long he got life what is this taking place
Miller hearing. Juvenile can't get life
LARRY NEVERS LIVE SHOGUN
This is all such a waste of time. They should just lock them up and be done with it. What does it matter. he wanted to hurt his parents from this if we allowed his parents to be charged we would just be giving him what he wanted all along. At the end of the day that is what he wanted. I know it sounds cold I know that his parents neglected him. But if you read his manifesto, he said that he purposefully wanted to ruin his parents life, and if we allow him to get vengeance through the courts, that’s actually winning
Some of you are evil no heart I understand your pain and hate but god would not want this I father, he’ll be their name they kingdom come, they will be done on earth as it is in heaven, give us this day, our daily bread, and forgive us for our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.
You are not making sense
@@mapolsen2003 it is the Heavenly Father prayer
Defense attorney do know that ppl hunt n kill animals every day right? She must be vegan 😂
He will get life
Let’s hope no parole
I feel sorry for Ethan Crumbley because his mom and dads fault they should be sentenced to 40 years for the part of the crime they both are in responsible for him he knows right from wrong he has to be punished and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for school shootings
13:23 Based on this Psychiatrist’s opinion, Ethan’s parents should be found NOT GUILTY. Personally, I question this Doctor’s assessment. Prosecution in this case agrees with this “expert” witness but maintain Ethan’s parents should have had the foresight to anticipate the probability of these murders. You can’t have it both ways. UNACCEPTABLE!!! 💔💔💔💔 These children lost their lives!!! They deserve better!!! Our society is perpetuating the problem rather than pursuing solutions (i.e., provide competent mental health care including assessments for every student at ages 10, 13, and 16).
All that will happen then is more parents like you complaining that there's too much testing in school, that teachers are over-reaching, that schools are the bad guy and liable for not raising their students. This is the parent's fault and if they were held liable, maybe they'd put more effort into actively raising their children.
The parents ignored this kid since he was very young. They ignored his pleas for help. They ignored all the signs. They were more interested in everything else in their lives and ignored their own child to the point he was described as “feral”. But you think they couldn’t have prevented this?
Agree 100%! The judge will overturn the verdict or give time served. The state went after the parents claiming he is mentally ill where in this case for Ethan they are claiming he wasn’t mentally ill.
"KREKT" these accents are indefensible lol
I am sorry, he planned all of this, knew exactly when he was going to do this. Even if his parents took him home that day. He would have done it eventually, because their life was more important than his. They failed him.