Festool Sander Comparison
Vložit
- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- In this video I will be comparing five different Festool random orbital sanders. The Festool Rotex 125, Rotex 90, ETS 125, ETS EC 150/5, and the RTS 400. I will share differences, similarities, stroke sizes of each sander, what I use each one for, and close it out by offering my suggestion on which one I think is best if you could only buy one of them.
#festoolusa #festoolsander #randomorbitalsander
Affiliate links to the sanders in this video.
DISCLAIMER: As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases.
Festool Rotex 125 - amzn.to/3o1Ew7B
Festool Rotex 90 - amzn.to/3AAwUhH
Festool ETS 125 - amzn.to/3rVfJmY
Festool RTS 400 - amzn.to/3GbkNsq
Festool ETS EC 150/5 - beavertools.com/576339-festoo...
Find me on social media!
Website: www.bentswoodworking.com
Green Suiters Podcast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
Patreon: / bentswoodworking
Instagram: / bentswoodworking
Bent's Woodworking is Proudly Partnered With:
Festool USA - See everything that Festool USA has to offer
bit.ly/bwfestoolusa
Bessey Tool North America - The only clamps I use in my shop
bit.ly/BesseyNA
Hartzell Hardwoods - Global suppliers of terrific hardwoods like walnut, oak, hickory, and ash.
bit.ly/hartzellbw
Bent’s Woodworking Affiliates:
TSO Products - Some of the best woodworking accessories on the market
tsoproducts.com?aff=5
Bits and Bits Company - Save 10% on your order with the code BENTS10
bit.ly/bitsbitsbw
Jay's Custom Creations - Shop Jays vast collection of plans and templates jayscustomcreations.com/produ...
Rubio Monocoat - See all the finish options Rubio Monocoat has to offer www.rubiomonocoatusa.com/#ben...
These videos are for entertainment purposes only. Bent's Woodworking is not responsible for any viewer trying to recreate something demonstrated in this video. Attempting any of the techniques shown are at the viewers own risk. - Jak na to + styl
I couldn't have found this video at a better time! I was going nuts with trying to figure out which one or two of these sanders to go with. I'm relatively new at woodworking and just decided to go with Festool. I haven't pulled the trigger on a sander because of this conundrum. I wasn't aware of the differences until now. So, thanks for making this video!
Hey Jason - great video !! I have the ETS 125 and can not believe the difference between ANY other sanders on the market. Festool sanders are life changing. And the dust collection is ridiculous. You can strip furniture in the middle of your dining room and not have saw dust anywhere. Festool may be more expensive but they’re totally worth it and in a league of their own.
I agree and people just need to use it themselves to realize that.
Fantastic video! I’ve been trying to find the difference between the sanders and why you would use certain ones. Your explanations and examples were very relatable and easy to understand. Thanks for your review/comparison!
Glad you found it helpful
Fantastic reviews ! I love all the complete and comprehensive overviews. Not just this sander video, but all the others I've watched that have helped me make informed decisions on other Festool products i've bought too. I'm not gonna even bother looking for the info i need on other channels / videos. You cover it all and saves me a lot of time! Thanks and keep up the good work.
Glad it’s helpful
@@bentswoodworking I second that. Great content always and straight to the point. I bought the cordless FT track saw because of you and can't be happier with it. Thank you 🙏
Thanks for the great videos and content you put out. I truly enjoy them!
Glad you find them helpful
Jason, another great video. I've been on the fence picking up the ETS 125 just for the Positioning Aid/Edge Sanding Guide. That looks like a nice addition.
Got a couple but live in isolation so thank you for your insights.
Thank you SO much for this video - exactly what I needed!
Great video. I’m researching the rotex 125 and you almost have me talked out of it. I still like the ability to apply finish and polish finishes with the rotex more. Very informative! Thanks!
Glad you found it helpful
I was curious about that edge sander attachment. Glad you touched on that.
👊🏼👊🏼
Once again your videos a clear and very informative. Thanks
Awesome information Jason!!!! Looking to get some new sanders and this was very helpful. Thank you!!!
You’re welcome
New subscriber here. I like your videos. Keep up the great work. I do particularly enjoy this one, about the Festool comparisons. I have a lot of Festool and I'm telling you, they are truly the best tools. I work part-time at a local Woodcraft and a lot of our customers gripe about their prices. They are expensive, that I will give them, but it's a classic case that you get what you pay for. I have non-intentionally punished a lot of my Festool tools and they just keep coming back and saying "sir may I have another." :)
I think most people that say that have never used them unfortunately. They just need to try them and see the value. 👍
Excellent video, i'm glad you threw in the advantages of the 150 (6") because it does make a difference. One thing I'd point out is that ALL of these sanders have superb dust collection and that is a primary reason to go festool
I went 6" from a different manufacturer, but Im 100% in agreement. That extra inch makes everything faster and easier. I do have a decent 5" sander, and a couple of 1/4" sheet sanders but I only use them for small pieces or tight areas or use the 5" with say some 220+ grit for doing that absolute last pass because it does leave an excellent finish, slightly better than my 6".
Surprisingly 6" has roughly 40% more disk area. Circles sometimes blow my mind haha. But it's very, very significant.
Great point!!
Another excellent video. I have the ETS-125 and I think I'll add the edge sanding attachment. I've seen you use that in past videos and it's seems terrific. I recently added the Bosch GET65-5, as it was half the price of the Rotex, and it did not disappoint!
The edge sanding attachment is great!
This was exactly what I needed. I’m a ways from dropping the money on a festool sander but I know it’s in the future. And this helped clarify what seemed like an overwhelming plethora of choices from their line
Glad you found it helpful
Makes sanding enjoyable.👍📐🇨🇦
@@troyqueen9503 I’ve since purchased a festool sander. Well worth it
I own the ETS 150/5, the Rotex 90, and the RTS 400 and love them all equally :-) Your review is spot on, I am always interested in your perspective !
Glad you found it helpful
This is exactly the models I have decided to go with. You’re really covering so many different sanding needs with those 3 sanders. They all have their place and some of the in between models would be nice but not really needed with these 3 sanders. And holy shit, the dust extraction was incredible coming from big box store sanders. Honestly it’s crazy. I wish everyone could test one of these with a festool vac and they won’t hesitate to pull the plug purchase the sander they’re looking at
Great review of the different options and uses.
Glad you found it helpful
Great discussion, thank you!
I totally agree with once you try them it all falls into place. I have found that in whatever festool I buy.
Great review thank you
Glad you found it helpful
Nice summary and comparison…thanks!
Glad you found it helpful
Thanks for the great review. I wish I had seen it before I got started with Festool. As a retired Navy Officer I never thought that I would enjoy listening to anyone in the Army as much as I enjoy listening to you. I had the RO 125 and ended up purchasing the ETS 125 after Festool released the edge guide. I’ve also considered stepping up to a 150 mm sander but because of my investment in 125 mm paper it’s a tough choice.
Thank you for putting up with my army ways 🤣🤣
@@bentswoodworking Except for the Army Navy game we always have each other’s back a.
Sailor on , did my time on ocean for 22 years, enjoy your time making dust , but not breathing it.
A good recommendation, been looking for one of these for a while, most are “oversold” until June or later…
I purchased a used one as the piece is a bit pricey, but the machine czcams.com/users/postUgkxG6fbm3cHBd7CNTjk5D-dwYe9c9tCB9ZN has surpassed my expectations. We sand small parts by hand often, sized around 1"x1/2," and specifically look for a piece that's designed to be vertical. The motor has plenty of torque and great speed settings. The only inconvenience I had is that the disk measures 5" where we trim 6" stick-and-sand disks down easily by mounting it then cutting with a box cutter.
I seriously appreciate this video. I’m looking to speed up my workflow on refinishing furniture and I’m finding myself devoting the majority of my time to sanding. I think I spend more time sanding MCM furniture than I do finding said furniture, which is a problem. I’m going to go buy myself a new sander tomorrow because if this video as I now know why I should upgrade, not just because it seems nicer.
Glad you found it helpful
Which one did you get??? Do you like it?? Thanks!
great video and so helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
NAILED IT! Thank you!
Glad you found it helpful
Excellent presentation and informative
👊🏼
Jason, I really enjoy your videos. Have you had any experience with the Festool ETSC sander?
Great overview, thanks.
You’re welcome
Yep, I love festool sanders and there vacuum system.
Thanks for making this video.
Glad it was helpful!
Great Video. Thanks
watched this again. not too long. soo good. Going to ditch the $200 125 sander you talked me into for the ec 150/5
I would keep the 125 and get the edge guide for it. Then you have a sander for edges.
@@bentswoodworking very true
I know this is an older video but I was hoping to get some hard to find info. Just bought the ETS EC 150/5 - your video helped lead me to this decision. Want to get dust extractor with (probably) Oneida separator/cyclone. Is there an inherent reason to buy a Festool MIDI or CT26 other than keeping the same platform? This is my first foray into Festool stuff.
Great video, Jason~! I just saw it tonight after taking delivery of an ETS EC 125/3 & CT 36 Extractor this morning...my first Festool tools~! The rep at Woodcraft (of Chattanooga) was demo'ing the entire line and I was able to test drive a few of them. He recommended the 125/3, whereas the 150/5 might be too aggressive for the type of work that I described to him, so here's hoping that he made an accurate assessment. I'm excited to get started using it~! I might take a look at the edge guide, if it fits this model. Thanks for the education~!
I have a 125 with a 2mm stroke and the worse case is that it takes longer to sand.
You’re welcome
Totally agree. The first festool sander I bought was the ets ec 150/5. I was going back and fourth with the 150/3 but I wanted more aggressive. Fast forward 3 months I had a wood craft gift card and bought the rotex 150. I wanted the 125 but sense I already invested in 150 sand paper it just made sense to get the 150 rather then 125 and getting all new paper. I think my next one will be the dts 400 or the ro 90. I need something with a triangular head. Although I wouldn’t use the ro90 in rotex much but as you said it would be great for face frames and corners. Rather then the dts 400 wouldn’t be the best for flat sanding on face frames only corners. Great video and great to see more opinions on festool sanders there’s not a lot on here and it took me about a month to figure out which I wanted first. I didn’t even go and pick it up and use it first just bought it on a limb and hoped I’d like it and turns out I love it.
Glad you found it helpful! 👍👍
Awesome video.
Nice video! I recently got my first Festool 574993 sander. Would love to see a video from you on Festool Granat and Rubin sanding discs.
I’ll have to add that to the list
@@bentswoodworking Can't wait. Being new to Festool I am having a hard time finding that info any where!
Actually good video! I was advised by my sales guy to go 5” or 6” and stay one and not both. Money for two different papers as you stated and his case for the 6” was why I went 6”. Now I didn’t understand till I got my hands on the 6” etc 150/5 OMG it only speaks for itself. However, I also have five sanders pretty much the same but the RO150 not RO125. I like them all but the150/5 I could have saved a lot of $$$ but it Festool and I love having the best!
Yeah they all have their place for sure.
for me the Rotex 150 is the most versatile sander from festool and it's really well balanced. It is heavy but due to it's balance i'm able to use it as a finish sander by moving it with the vac hose. Really nice tool. Next will be the ETS125 and if i feel rich enough i'll go for the ETS EC :D
Great video again Jason. Would you say that you like the 150 vs the 125 because you work on larger projects so the 6" pad gives you more surface abrasion that the 5"? I primarily only do small DIY stuff and not large things like tables or cabinet projects. Thanks~
Then I think the 5” would make more sense in your scenario. And yes, I build larger items often.
Hey Jason alway love your content here and on Green Suiters Podcast. I have the 125/3 ETS EC as my first Festool Sander and absolutely love it, although I seriously considered the 150/5 ETS EC (and this video has me second guessing my decision). I'm finishing up a Walnut Top for an Adjustable Desk for a friend, and wish I had the ETS 125 or ETSC 125 with right angle adaptor for the edges. I'm also considering considering the RTS or RTSC for sanding poly finish between coats and for sanding in corners and along side walls (such as your example of inside of drawers). It looks like the RTS is nearly brand new and I know you are a fan of the newer Festool Battery Tools. Just wondering why you chose the RTS over the RTSC?
I would like to have a battery sander but it’s different from the other batteries and that keeps me from pulling the trigger
Jason. I made the trip from Cincy (Batavia) down to the Lexington, KY Woodcraft store two weeks ago. This is one of the few place around that have all the Festool sanders & many of their other tools out on display, ready for customers to tryout/use prior to purchasing. I was able to checkout all three battery operated sanders and each of their sister plug-in predecessors side by side. I determined that the plug-in electric versions are more compact & easier to hold in multiple positions (from the front, sides and etc.) than the battery versions and in some respects better balanced (due to the bulk of the battery on the back). I've decided for use in my workshop I'm going to save a few bucks and plug-in.
Late to the party, but you can use the 6" sanding pad on the 125.
Different strokes for different folks 😉
🤣
Lol
facts..of life
THANKS GREAT VID
Glad you found it helpful
Great video! Have you tried the cordless festool Sanders? And what’s your opinion on them?
I have not tried them yet
Great vid! Which dust collector would you get for the ETS EC 150-5? Starting out will be first Festool!
I would like to know this too.
Good video! I was going to buy the ets EC 150/5 but got a great deal on a Mirka deros from a local shop, it was 150-200 USD less then the festool so.. either way, I feel they are pretty comparable although I really miss the plug-in cable 😅.
Point is though I've hardly touched my rotex since I got it. These brushless palm sanders are so versatile and efficient.
I'm on the fence with the Deros. I'm already in the Festool system and the mixed bag of reliability issues with the Deros keep me hesitant. That said considering it is usually $130 over the EC 150 being $200 under i'd give it a go for sure.
@@Fictitious_Character Yeah I was all set for the EC 150 until I got a deal on the deros at 150-200 under the EC 150. There's no doubt having to deal with another power cable is annoying, more so then I thought it would be haha.
@@ChristianN- interesting on the cord. I assumed it wouldn't be that big of a deal to switch cords, but now that you mention it I use one cord for multiple tools when switching sanders.
From everything you've said I think I'll go with this ROTEX RO 150 first.
Awesome video. I recently saw a video where the gentleman said that you van put the 150 pad on a 125. Is that possible? I understand the differences with the stroke but I just curious if you have tried that?
I have heard that but think it’s frowned upon for various reasons from Festool.
Can you put the 90° attachment on the low profile sander you recommend as the one sander to buy?
Did you know the delta mode on the rotex 90 can also be used with the round pad for really fine sanding
My experience is the RO 150 is considerably smoother operating, than the RO 125. I exchanged my RO 125 for the RO 90 and added the RO 150 to my kit. They’re a terrific duo! Confession: I own 8 Festool Sanders. They ALL get used! Glad I bought them at least 12 years ago when the prices were considerably less. As per the ONLY SANDER CHOICE, the user’s “need-for-speed (removal rate) vs. a need for versatility, would guide my recommendations: But for MOST one sander shops, I’d recommend the ETS 150/3, sacrificing maximum removal rate for additional finesse, making it more suitable for sanding both raw materials AND sanding finishes.
I think the ONLY thing my staff don't like about the RO 150 is it's a HAUS......or HOSS.........whatever. :) It's really a big sander, and if small hands/arms are using it it can really get wearing. I have a couple of smaller ladies who work for me, doing detail work and finishing, and they prefer the little ETS 125.
Very insightful video… so hard to tell the differences between their many sanders without someone like you laying it all out. Looking for the ETS EC 150/5 online I keep seeing that it is available for preorder. Was it just replaced with a new version? Can’t seem to find it anywhere and would love to get a dust-free sanding setup for my full kitchen build and full master custom closet build which are basically ready for sanding and painting.
It’s mainly due to supply chain issues. If it’s for pre order is cause they are expecting a shipment at a certain date
@@bentswoodworking I was able to score the ETS EC 150/5, RTS 400, CTS 48 AC, and a bunch of Granat Net abrasives and protective pads! What a difference compared to my Dewalt stuff, wow…
Now I am really curious whether I will eventually feel the need to get the 6” Rotex for sanding things like a desktop glue up. I imagine the ETS will do the job fine since I am a hobbyist.
ToolsForWorkingWood and Hartville Hardware is where I got my lucky score despite crazy supply chain stuff!
Cool beans. Thanks!
Jason, great video. I have the ETS-125 and use the the DTS 400(triangular pad) for corners. Thinking that the RO 125 is the next addition since, like you said, I have a ton of the 5” paper. Would you agree that would round out my sanding arsenal? Thanks.
I think that would cover most things you would need.
Christian, I have all three and the ETS EC-125/3 and this setup covers all my sanding needs well. It keeps you in the 125mm or 5" paper except for the DTS 400 delta paper of course. I find the RO-125 works great to remove material quickly when needed and the ETS EC-125/3 works great for everything else. The ETS-125 is an incredibly good sander, but I use it like Jason does with the edge attachment, but with the shorter 2mm stroke it will take a bit longer to go through the grits. And it's quite a jump between the very aggressive RO-125 and the ETS-125, it's not the end of the world by any means but adding and RO-125 and an ETS EC-125 would be an even sweeter set up. 👍 But, realizing money doesn't grow on trees, in your situation adding an RO-125 next would be a very good choice. 😎
All the Best, Chuck
What do you think of the new ets ec 150/3 + Net abrasive combo kit? Would you recommend it over the 150/5 or it’s better to take advantage of limited-edition sander kits?
Great video. I went into woodcraft to buy the ec 150 and the guy talked me into the cheaper 125 for $200. I really like it.
Question: I just got some 3m purple cubitron and extract paper that supposed to be great. But it doesn’t stick to my brand new sander. The free sand paper that came with the sander sticks fine and strong. I was wondering if you’ve run into this? I thought I saw you place a pad or something on your sander in one of your videos before you put paper on…but I can’t remember which video it was - as I’ve been binging all your videos 🙃
So I had the same issue. You need the protection pads from festool to use the new 3M paper effectively. The original cubitron I had no problems.
Could you recommend the best model for fast aggressive tearing down of badly painted surfaces? I'm talking english Georgian style shutters/windows
Thank you! I'm looking to start furniture flipping and I'm thinking the Rotex 90 and the ETS 150/5? Right now I have a Ryobi orbital cat sander and the vibration is killing the nerves in my small hands. If you were needing to sand finishes off of all types of furniture what would you use? Many thanks for a thorough video!!!
Rotex for removal for sure!
Great video! My question is if I do a lot of jambs/jamb extensions/flat casing/baseboard etc in the field, would the RTS 400 be the best option or would the RO 90 given its versatility with the triangular attachment to sand miters and filler? Thanks.
RO 90 would be more versatile
Hey Jason I put the festool protection pad on my ets ec 150/5 to be able to get my 3m net sandpaper to stick. The only problem is I get a major wobble with the protection pad on. I have attached and reattached the protection pad many times and the wobble never goes away with it on. Just wondering if you have experience this or know of someone that has and what they were able to do to fix it. I really like the net paper but it won’t stick unless I use the pad saver.
What would you recommend for face frames? I tried the Rotex 90 but couldn't keep it flat on the surface.
I'm grinding a lot of vertical surfaces.
Does the ets ec 150 fit for that?
My first was the ETS125 with angle attachment. It's a great finish sander. I now have the Rotex 90 and Rotex 150. Next will be the DTS400 and one day, ETS EC150/3
I use my Rotex 150 in finish mode for plywood up to P120. Then I sand with ETS125 Starting at P120 again then go finer.
Seems like you have a great collection!
Hi thanks for video. I am tending toward the 150/5 however festool state it is for course to intermediate not fine. Whats your thoughts on this? Does it still give a fine smooth finish?
I have had great results. A naked eye isn’t going to pick up the difference of a 5 stroke vs 3
Stupid question - I have a Makita 5" random orbital, but want something with better dust collection......debating Festool, but will these only hook up to the Festool vac? I have a Ridgid shop vac, and also a wall mount dust collector w/ 4" hose.....I really don't feel like getting another dust collector.
I dont have any festool sanders yet. I had convinced myself that the ETS EC 125/3 EQ Plus was the way to go. Now I think I need to invest the additional $100 for the ETS EC 150/5 EQ Plus.
Folks. All of these are great sanders. The best of the best. Add the mouse I call it. The large triangle one. Got all of them. Once. You go festool. You can never go back. I knew nothing about festool. Started with the cheap sander with edge attachment. Because i love there cases. From there 3 years later i could by a new f-150 for what i have invested into festool. Great company. Great warranty great precision tools. You can’t go wrong. BUY ONCE CRY ONCE
Do they make an edge guide for the 150, or only for the 125?
Thanks for the informative video. If you had none and entered the market at 6” , could it make sense to start with the Rotex 150 and then add the ets ec150/3 since the Rotex orbital mode seems to be 5mm stroke
That's what my plan is for now.
I have the rotex and love it. Have sanded up to 2000 grit with it and polished and it's fantastic. Can be a bit rough to use, and its heavy and bulky, but i found it surprisingly easy to use even vertically.
The easier handling with the ets ec 150/3 should be nice too. Once I finally can afford it!
100% correct. Thats what I did and view it to be the best combination available. I also have the rts400req since I make allot of cabinets.
The ets150/3 eq+ is a dream to use compared to the rotex in rotary mode.
Great timing! I'm planning on upgrading from my Bosch 5" ROS for my next project, and had pretty much talked myself into the 125 ETS EC vs. the regular 125. I was under the impression that it was possible to 'upgrade' the 125 ETS EC to a 150 pad and have essentially both a 5" and a 6" sander in one?
yes this works. The 125 only comes in a 3mm stroke though so keep that in mind.
@@stu71584 I have the 125/3 ETS EC and purchased it with that in mind and I really do love the sander with the 125mm pad. I tried 150/5 ETS EC and loved it, but was lead to believe that the 5 stroke would be too much for finishing work... now I wonder if I would have been better off with it, and purchasing the RTC 400 and/or the ETS 125 REQ for the finer work.
I have heard that people have done it but that not coming from Festool.
Rotex 125, with the right pads, interface and vacuum possibilities , That is the captain of the ship. The polishing part is the bonus for Rubio user.
I have the Rotex 125 which I then clean up with a standard craftsman 5 inch RO sander. I am looking to upgrade that craftsman sander, and I would get either the ETS 125 or the ETS EC 125/3 EQ-Plus? I know you’d argue to move up to the 150 but I have a small operation and space so I need to be efficient. Which of those two would you recommend?
Probably the ETS EC
I only have a DeWalt random orbital, and I'm looking to "up my game". I've been looking at the ETS EC 150/5 and 150/3. From what I've been reading, it seems like people are leaning towards the 150/3. I know you didn't review the 150/3, but would you still recommend the 150/5 over the 150/3 if it was my only/primary sander?
get the 125/3 and you can throw a 150 pad on it. best of both worlds.
You would be fine with either, just understand that the 3 is going to be less aggressive. But a 3 will still be great for almost everything
Jason, why do you prefer the ETS 5 stroke over the ETS 3 stroke? Peter
A little more aggressive which equals less sanding.
between the rotex 125 and the ETS EC 150/5, whivch one would you use if you were a painter using it to clear off a deck old stain or paint?
Rotex without question. And I would tell you to go 150
If I have an ETS EC 125/3 with a upgraded 6" pad, would an ETS EC 150/5 be worth having for all types of shop projects e.g. cabinet work, doors, signs, some furniture, CNC projects, etc.
Yes!
Would like to know how these perform with regular shop vacs or any considerations there and compared to Festool dust extractors… what would a good ramp up plan be for what to buy. Also if there are good third party discs that are more economical, maybe how to stretch the life of the more expensive ones?
a normal shop vac will have too much suction for these sanders and can cause swirl marks. the festool dust extractors have adjustable suction so you can turn it way down when sanding. The ct-15 is a great value if you are looking to get into a festool extractor
Those would be good topics for a video 👍
@@stu71584 thanks, i had no idea!
My apologies as I know this is an old video. Im looking for a low vibration sander as I have severe arthritis in my hands. Is ETS EC 150/5 Random Orbital Sander
Low vibration. I'm very interested in it but reluctant to spend $819 Canadian just to find out its not low vibration. Any other sanders I have used is like having a large massager in your hand and really painful on the hands. I love your videos and find you to be sincere and honest, so figured you would give an honest answer.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I recommend finding a local dealer and trying it yourself
Thank you sir. I greatly appreciate the informative content you put out.
By any chance have you or better yet would you consider doing a 6" sander comparison? I see Mirca's on several channels so I'm guessing they are supposed to be comparable to Festool.
The wood whisperer made an interesting video comparison between the festool and mirka.
Just checked out wood whisperer’s Festool vs Mirca sander shootout. I don’t own either, but I completely agree with his review so unless you have a thing for paddles, I don’t see why someone would pay considerably more for a tool that operates nearly identical to the Festool. I’ll be saving up for Festool’s sander and extractor.
100% agree!
👊🏼
Can I use the 3M cubitron or xtract sanding disks with the festool sander?
Yes, that’s all I use pretty much now
The ets 150/3 and 5 (not ec) are the best for large area finishing that is laying down flat. it’s perfectly balanced and makes it easy to just kinda relax while sanding g. The ets 125 (not ec) is best with the edge guide. The ec series is best for vertical surfaces light and ergonomic but wouldn’t recommend for large flat areas. The Ro series is best for doing the dirty work. I also use the rectangle one a lot for getting into tight spaces but don’t remember the model.
What do you think of Mirka sanders as compared to the Festool ones?
I have never used Mirka
You can just put the 6” pad on the sander 😉 😉….
Yeah after having my brand new CT48 AC burn up on me in with less than 24 hours of total use not sure or how I really feel about the festool buy in concept. I have a lot of it but literally used it in manual mode to clean up my MFT and setup for sanding operations set it too auto and I just smell burning.
Sander starts to go no CT turn on. Completely burned up. Yeah I have warranty but I’m already 1 week down on just getting the item shipped to them and looking like another week to wait for them to acknowledge receiving and shipping back. An talking to FESTOOL about this; not one sorry or going above and beyond. But honestly this hurts me and my business and haults my operation. Because I can’t work in my clients spaces because wait for it…. My CT48 AC burned up.
Similar issues also dealing with Jet on some lifetime clamps. But yeah they told me it’s just wear and tear despite handle breaking. Gotta love the companies that just want your money and don’t care about there most important factor the woodworker (customer). I’m saying this so that everyone including yourself to hear the realities of issues from the field with these professional brands…. Glad to see that veterans whom spend there hard earned money get treated like this. Not knocking your Jason but just sharing my Experiences to just make you and others across the US aware of the lack of confidence in these brands. Gonna go fart some saw dust! Since I’m stuck waiting for my broken tool…..
Jason, I'm fine with my current lineup of 5" sanders, ETS EC 125, ETS 125, and Rotex 125, life is simple...🤷♂️
ETS EC 150 😒
Damit, I don't want to be buy no 6" paper now. 🤦♂️
All the Best!!!
Stick with the 5”, you will be fine. 😂
Well Jason, I bought an RO-150, the wife is into river tables, so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! 😁 Seriously, she is, and a 6" sander makes more sense especially considering my back issues. So, less time standing, and sanding is a necessity. The RO made more sense for me because I'll be needing to work/level substantial amounts of epoxy at times even after the drum sander. 😒
All the Best, Chuck
Uh, I just bought a Mirka Deros 650 CV, 6" 5mm, can I still come here and comment? 😢
I couldn't help myself when I found out that it can be converted into a 5" sander by simply changing the pad. It's almost like getting two sanders in one.
I mean really, it was a no brainer. Or was it? The wife, I forgot about the wife, what to do, what to do???
Looks like I'll be building a pretty big dog house here shortly.😜
All the Best, Chuck
I have the ets ec 125 mm but the 150mm pad fits aswel!
Does it still utilize the entire 6” pad?
Question my wife does a lot of the sanding she wants the edge sander adapter we do not have the sander to go with the adapter so we have to buy both is this set up worth it in your opinion? Thnx
I think it’s very useful. If you want a very easy and enjoyable way to sand edges, then it’s outstanding
@@bentswoodworking k thnx 👍
I wouldn’t have gotten the RO-125, the RO-150 is so much faster, all the other sanders are tops in my opinion.
What about vibration? I’m looking for a sander with little vibration.
Festool sanders are great for that
Going from 5” to 6” is a 44% increase in size - so that is a significant difference. More time to get other things done
The longer your stroke the quicker you get results. That's a truth in any man's life.
I have ro 150 and ro 90 would you still get ets ec 150 in a 5 mm stroke or 3mm looking for no swirls marks do you get any swirls with the 5mm?
There are a lot of reasons for serial marks outside of stroke size. Although I think the /3 would be fine
Most common reasons I found for swirl marks:
- use high quality papers that don't lose pieces of grit on your surface
- Turn down suction to little as possible and as much as necessary
- clean the surface religiously between grits
- don't push, just the weight of the sander and your hand is enough
- watch for build up
- don't skip more than one grit size
@@chrisr8996 hi Chris using festool paper using festool vac on lowest setting I mostly was asking Brent his thoughts on 3mm vs 5mm with what I already had for sanders 👍 this is the last sander I’m going to add lol
@@bentswoodworking my thought were ro150 when needed then 150 3mm for final finish ? But if your getting finish grade with your 5mm 🤔 now I’m not sure
Of i was only to pick one, 3 months later oh, i think the new model is the one for me. 😂
How come no DTS?
I just did a comparison with the delta dts 400 and the ets 125 for one minute on lacquer finish and the 400 was fast and more even. Was surprised the two stroke beat the orbital. Very disappointed.
I take that back. I was comparing them with different sanding papers. I had the standard Granat on the 400 and the Granat net on the 125. Wow the Net does not remove material as fast. It’s actually like 2 times slower. Might last longer but I would rather burn trough paper instead of taking twice as long sanding a project.
My first, and currently only sander, purchase was the Rotex 125. I've been slowly learning that wasn't the right choice for what I needed. It's not easy to do finish sanding with and can get unwieldy easily. Kind of bummed, but I'll have to start looking into an ETS type.
Rotex and an ets-ec is a great combo
Yeah, it’s a great sander but can take some time to get use too
I've used the Rotex 125 exclusively in my shop for many years now and yes, it is a beast but the versatility of the rotex/random orbit is hard to beat. For the past year, I've been focusing on small jewelry/keepsake boxes and much of the wood I use I've found in random places, estate sales, barn sales, etc so the rotex action cleans it up beautifully. Then I can switch to RO and take it down to 180 grit before cutting it for use. That being said, I'm definitely considering the ETS/EC 150/5 for putting the final touches on my work as the 125 is definitely a lot to handle.
Out of curiosity, have you tried the edge attachment on the RTS400 since it's mostly the same body?
It does not fit
It wouldn't make any sense because the pad on the RTS / DTS doesn't rotate. That would cause the sand paper being used in a very narrow area (thickness of your material +2mm stroke to be precise) while the other 70% of your paper won't even be touched.
I really like the ETS EC 125/3 because it's actually compatible with the 150 pads and it's otherwise the same exact sander as the ETS EC 150, it just has a 3mm stroke and happens to have the "chuck" made in such a shape that it can use 125 pads AND 150 pads.
The only difference is in power. ETS EC 125 is rated at 250w while the ETC EC 150 is rated at 310w. Don't think the 60w difference would be that much noticeable unless sanding something like White Oak or Hard Maple.
@@misha030302 I think all ets ec sanders are 400w - 120V * 3.3A
The ETS ec eq is 400w