This and That: Aliona Kostornaia's Engagement, Kurt Browning's Final Stars on Ice Tour
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- This week, Aliona Kostornaia announced her engagement to Georgy Kunitsa. Midori Ito won gold at the ISU Adult Competition in Obertsdorf. Kurt Browning completed his final Stars on Ice Canada tour and was still the highlight of the show (30 years later). Piper Gilles revealed she was diagnosed with stage 1 ovarian cancer in December. The ISU gave Russian provisional quotas for the Junior Grand Prix and WADA announced 200 sanctions for Russian athletes from its investigation into the Moscow laboratory. Skaters from around the world are getting their new programs. We break it all down on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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Jonathan looks particularly good with those few strategically undone buttons.
And the salt pepper beard
Best of luck to Kostornaia! She may live life on the messy side, but I am here for it. I truly hope they have success in pairs skating & are a happy couple for many years to come. Can definitely say that this girl’s life is not boring!
Bless Kostornaia. She's too impulsive for her own good. They posted a triple twist ON the ice this past week tho! She's a quick learner. You have to give her that. But I worry that he'll end up holding her back because from the videos of them she's clearly the better skater and jumper.
From that one video I watched, he's just a bad skater. He almost tripped on some of the turns. I think the partnership is difficult and probably wouldn't work looking at the competition. I feel like their partnership is heading towards that moment when KMT saw MM when he tripped twice after throwing her lol. It's uncomfortable when one partner clearly blames the other for bad performance.
Such good news Jason brown is competing!
Timestamps (in progress)
0:54 Aliona Kostornia engaged to her pairs partner
5:29 ISU released quota for JGP with Russian as possibility
- 6:13 ISU and Russia. Touch on doping cases before vs Valieva
- 7:23 Russia Gymnast VS Simone Biles
- 8:06 RUSADA and WADA and WADA sanction
- 9:47 Valieva case
16:11 Jason Brown for another year
17:30 programs next season
- 17:42 shay Lynn,Jeff buttle
- 18:03 kuzuki tomono
- 18:10 kaori sakamoto
- 19:48 Haein Lee
- 20:07 Yuma kagiyama
20:35 men rivalry next season
- 20:40 Japanese 3rd men (world) spot
I was at Stars on Ice in Anaheim last night, and it was so neat to see skaters skate live. (I hadn't for decades!) I got to see some of the programs that I've been watching all year. My husband, who doesn't know anything about figure skating, said he liked Alexa and Brandon's story telling, and right after we said that we walked by Alexa's husband in the corridor (it was intermission). I didn't know it would be Kurt's last Stars on Ice, he will be missed. I was so excited to see Isabeau skate her swan program! Nathan was cute, he got turned around and went to the wrong corner before he realized that wasn't the exiting corner :)
I missed you guys last week. Welcome back!
Loved this video! Thanks Dave! Really appreciate the amazing skating content as always!!
Glad you chatted about the ITNY show. My husband and I were also squeezed into those cheap seats. We loved it all -- even the 3 girls in the swaddle ("Les Enfants") but espcially the final group number. My husband enjoyed the offbeat artsyness of it. I bought the tickets entirely to see Jason, whom I adore in an obsessive way, but those damn hockey barriers really ruined the Jason vibe for me. (We were in the 4th or 5th row....could not get any higher). I did attend US Nationals in San Jose, and had great seats. That Melancholy will still always be THE Jason moment for me.
Jonathan: I agree with you. It's time for solo dance to become a competitive discipline. And let's add David Shapiro to the list of men who should compete in the discipline. Thanks guys for the great conversation.
Enjoyed your take on ITNY. I went to the performance as well, didn't know Surya was there. I saw Andrea Joyce, though, lol.
Thanks for the news about Sarah Hughes running for Congress. Turns out she's running in the 4th district which is where I grew up.
Totally agree, it gets so exiting to wait for the next season programs. Looks like a lot of skaters really invest into choreography. Camden, Jason, Andrew, Ilia build a really strong team.
Sarah Hughes for congress makes me feel so old. 😂😂 I remember her as the little teenager at the Olympics.
I have to say that I am so happy for Alonina Kossinina for getting in engaged 😅🎉
not the right man. he is boy
"more degrees than a thermometer" 😂😂😂
Loved that too 😂😂😂
Piper and Paul were amazing; I feel stronger now they were cheated and should have been at least second but not because she is amazing for fighitng th egood fight but because they were good. Pretty amazing to fight cancer and win a world bronze.
The JGP General Announcement last season also had "quota" spots for Belarus and Russia. This year's announcement is exactly the same. It signifies nothing about the intentions of the ISU Council to lift the ban.
Why is my girl Kosto so messy? :'''''')
Time stamps:
16:10 Jason Brown
21:39 Camden Pulkinen
26:37 Midori Ito
33:18 Sarah Hughes
I am not surprised that Camden is taking time off from school. I took my skater daughter to Columbia for a tour. We did a test run to Chelsea Piers for her to try out the rink. It's not convenient or easy to get there, and the freestyle ice is very expensive and has limited hours. It would be fine for a recreational or collegiate skater, but I don't think it's an ideal place for an elite level skater.
Regarding Aliona engagement, I think it's a lot to ask for young couples to work on their marriage while also a partner in the working environment. I've seen them skate together and I think he's not a good skater. It will be tough when her pair skating partnership not paying off but then you're tied in marriage with said partner. It will be awkward imo
Agree. Them being married makes it harder for her to leave him professionally for a more skilled partner :(
@@kellymoran7001 She's so impulsive that hopefully this engagement doesn't last long. I give it 6 months to a year.
OK, Jekatierina Kurakowa may be Russian, but she has made her home in Poland and speaks good Polish (better than some famous Americans!), a more genuine emigrant than some of the Russians who represent *-stans or Caucasus states. However, she does train in Italy... As for releases, I'm a bit shocked that the US federation is taking such a hard line.
I'd agree that she has made more of an effort than most Russian skaters in those other countries. I do like her
Dave has made numerous snarky comments about her being fake polish etc. but to be honest she's one of skaters that's making the efforts to learn more into the country she's representing than let's say Olivia Smart representing Spain. And I don't see Dave making fun of Olivia being fake Spanish.
@@yohanes2034 and Dave is an ass for doing it
If you call any emigrant fake American other Americans will cancel you, why he thinks he can do it to her
She’s the only russian athlete that doesn’t deserve to be turned into glue
@@user-gg9uu9kx9w and you are nobody to decide which course her life should take
I was the one who made the comment about the "dumpy rinks", and I don't believe my comment was about taking offense. It was about pointing out something that I believed you guys hadn't thought of, that "dumpy rinks" --> accessibility --> growth of the sport. Wish you had seen it that way instead of writing it off as just another offended person.
Dave, that's why Casey Carlyle from Ice Princess gave up Harvard to go full time in Figure skating LOL! 😂 In reference to Camden's break from Columbia. Joke! Love your show! ❤
there was a time when top figure skaters could make crazy money on the pro circuit.
Any chance The Skating Lesson could create a podcast using the audio from all of these videos?
At what time stamp do they talk about Aliona and Kurt Browning?
50:38 (about Olivia & Tim not representing Germany, which is a good thing!) Just wanted to post this here for context about what it would have been like for them to represent Germany these days: Here's Nicole Schott in a just released interview by Golden Skate, describing the situation: "The financial situation is definitely difficult. Due to my good results I am actually in the best paid category (Olympischer Kader) and still can’t finance myself. At the age of 27 you’re asking yourself: do you either take out a loan to finance your sport or to build a house?”
Are both of Jason's new programs going to be choreographed by Rohene, insted of Jason's short program choreographed by Rohene Ward and his long program choreographed by David Wilson?
Yay!!!
I still have the Nicole Bobeck! HUGS* THX DAVE
What do you guys think of Sergei Romanov ( hot Sergei ) dating polina? To me it looks so strange, he looks visibly so much older than her. She’s only 20 or 21??? And isn’t he in his mid 30s? Yeah she’s an adult but yikes, his posts give very much “look at my hot skinny YOUNG girlfriend”
What would they even talk about?😭
I’d be surprised if Australia has 20 rinks. My home state of Victoria has 6.6 million people and I think 4 rinks. Can you believe Kurt and Alissa are coming to do a training camp and not performing 😭
I love Camden's skating. If he wants to give it another shot..I say , "Go for it."He can take his yr off from Columbia..and return. I would hate to see him live w a regret.He is my fav American guy.
Agreed. Camden still has a narrow window right now to really make his career happen. Even if the most he achieves is two or three years as the world's 5th through 8th best men's skater, that could translate into a world's silver team medal and an Olympic team silver medal in a handful of years. As long as he can manage to not get injured, being in his early to mid twenties isn't a huge deal in terms of his competitiveness. And right now there are only a handful of men who can do more than two quads, and of those, only Shoma and Ilia are consistent in landing them although we'll see about Yuma. If Camden can become the next/new Jason or Adam and accrue himself a big fan base while Nathan and Vincent are gone and Jason is (eventually) retired, he could potentially enjoy a lot of commercial success. After all, Ilia just shot himself in the foot with the fandom, so Camden should be able to capitalize on this timing to make a name for himself. He's widely liked, artistic, and has solid tech; he's a smart investment for the US Fed unless he has major injuries we don't know about.
Agreed. Columbia will still be there next year. If he wants to go all in & give it his best try while he’s still young enough, why not?
Exactly. Columbia is not going anywhere. The Ivy League degree will do less for him than the personal connections he can make and skating. Of course the combination should be great for him, but the skating won't be there the way the education will in a few years.
28:55 Kurt Browning discussion begins.
Dave I have to agree with you about Kaori
No mention of the Men's World Champion's new program?!
Shoma hasn't announced his new programs.
His new Come Together program (possible SP, possible EX) deserved a mention. He debuted it at one of the ice shows.
Jason is one of the greatest skaters to ever walk the earth, but alas, he is not a natural-born jumper. It took him a long time to get the triple axel. Jumps don't come easily to him. No coach can change that.
The jumps he has are beautiful.
@@skaterboy-cz9wj They are, except for the triple axel. He telegraphs it too much for my taste.
@@skaterboy-cz9wj Everything he does is beautiful
I saw Stars on Ice in San Jose and thought how they did the goodbyes to Kurt beautiful and moving. Too bad the spell was broken by Scott’s video abruptly breaking that mood and then having to endure a hard sell of his Holt Foundation by a quasi preacher trying to shame us into donating for his cause. I do a good amount of charity on my own time, but came to Stars for the skating. I found it so offensive, not sure I would attend again, despite the opportunity to watch these amazing skaters.
OMG! I agree. The adoption stuff is so cringe at SOI. A worthy cause, feels very forced. I didn't know they were going to do that when I went last year to SOI for the first time in Greensboro. It does add to the intermission time for running to the toilets, etc.
I really want a top skater to go the other way and go to a no name choreographer. We need new choreographers tbh. It dont take a national title to be a good choreographer. All these programs gon look the same now.
I'd say Dave you have double standard. Like you always mention Kurakova as fake Polish, born Russian but representing Poland. But you never said the same thing to others like Olivia representing Spain. It will be more ridiculous if she with his new German born skater representing Spain. Tbh Kurakova is the example of skater who takes effort to learn the country she's representing. She has a home in Poland, trying to learn the language, train in Italy (not Russia, so she' not under the Russian system), etc. That's a lot more than anyone currently representing countries that they're not born in/ have ancestry
He always has fun with the fake citizens lol He even used to have fun with Aljona and Bruno, Vanessa James etc
And she speaks Polish fluently!
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I miss the old Stars on Ice shows so much. Im afraid skating will never be like that again. Skaters just arent these bankable stars no more.
Figure skating's boom period, (1992-1998,) was such a magic time for the sport. I don't know what could change that unless a new crop of American stars just kick everyone's butt for a 3-4 year period. Canada and the USA's golden age was really 1980-1994, (Canada's being 1984-94,) and that was really where the boom period comes from. That and the top stars competed in far more Worlds' and Olympics. You'd think with social media and youtube being so huge, that we would see the online world creating new stars of that size.
There ain’t nothing in it for skaters these days no more. If u had the choice between college/relationships/financial security versus being a non Olympic champion skater, drop the skating. This ain’t pre-2000.
The 1992-1998 boom period is likely never happening again unless we get a bumper crop of American stars with staying power. The skaters today are so young and so cookie cutter save for Yuzuru, that its hard to build a pro circuit around current year stars.
Why is anyone shocked regarding Kostornaia? This is Russia. Women get married and have kids early. David, you're a gymnastics fan...Aliya Mustafina? I can name a million examples.
Chelsea Piers rink is the worst for spectators. It is possibly good for athletes. You sort of have to be an athlete, or at least a good walker, to get there from the nearest bus stop let alone train. Then it is freezing up there both winter and summer, and the "seats" and "decor" have all the charm of a public high school gymnasium. No wait, maybe half the charm.
LOL I’ve tried to explain to my friends the intoxicating smell of
Chelsea Piers-mildew, feet, refrigerator coated in orange cleaner
20:35 I cannot learn to like Ilia at all. I would love to see the S. Koreans and Japanese skaters defeat him again
I agree...
I miss watching the Russians compete & all the Eteri drama but they cannot let them compete until this war is over… I want kamilla to suffer the consequences of her doping before her amateur career ends & the exp date is coming fast
Anyone wonder why Instagram keeps verifying Russian figure skaters more than usual recently when Russia supposedly banned Instagram no? Lol
Regardless of your opinion on doping, the War we technically miss the Russians if not for the fact that the results in most events would be affected by them not competing.
They are still doping, that, aside from the war, makes their competitiveness cheating. The end.
@@youarestronger , proof ?!