Lahaina FIRE Recovery - 400,000 TONS of Ash - WHERE will it GO ????
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- Lahaina Fire Clean Up and Recovery. Now that the removal of hazardous materials has been completed by the EPA (which was phase 1), it is now time to move onto phase 2 which is the removal, transfer and storage of the the remaining ash and debris. This is the responsibility of the county and state who will be supported by the U.S. Army corps of engineers.
I found a very informative video from the county of maui where the Director of Environmental Manegment for the county, his name is Shayne Agawa, he explains the location where they will be moving the ash and debris, how they chose the location, how it will be transported and how it will be monitored in the future.
Full Video from Maui County
• Olowalu Community Meet...
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I lost my house in Santa Barbara and years after the cleanup I had my soil tested by an analytical laboratory and it was still loaded with heavy metals! Lead was super high but there was also an astonishing variety of other toxic metals present.
That is all the stuff in the house. And that is what did not go up in the air.
There are plants such as lupine and others that will draw up the heavy metals thru their roots. Some of the plants also hold the soil together. After a year or two the plants can be pulled up and taken to an incinerator where the heavy metals get extracted thru the burn process and recycled or disposed of. The. You can rest the soul and scrape of the topsoil however needed and then add replacement soil.
I read that fish bone meal can be used to bind the lead? Might be worth a try. The lead from pre-1970's paint was lead carbonate and changing that to lead phosphate is supposed to make it a less assimilable form for human health but I'm no expert
I’m from Santa Barbara and was there during the dump fire that took out so many homes and businesses crossing State St into Hope Ranch and Tuckers Grove area. I’m assuming this the fire that took your home. Looking back at the many California fires that took out communities makes me wonder if these too were elite crimes against humanity.
@@Debra309 oh please! Cut the nonsensical bullshit! That conspiracy theory crap only drags people down and spreads nonsense in peoples shallow minds. If you're from Santa Barbara you know that we have a dry climate with tons of chaparral and because the Santa Ynez mountain range goes from 4000 feet to sea level in a matter of miles we have extreme down canyon winds. 100% of Santa Barbara's disastrous wildfires were caused by extreme wind events. Period! Nothing else! Jeez. I lost my house in the Jesusita fire. 6% humidity, temps scratching 100°, and winds gusting 70+!
Thank you so much for this video, Jesse. There is very little information on what is actually happening. Lots of drone video out there begs the question "what in the world is going on in Lahaina now", so I really appreciate you taking the time to inform us!
yes. I can't believe this is being ignored like a total black out from national news. Grateful to the poster!
I'd be more concerned about finding out why it happened who did it and hold people responsible. WEF
So "who" do you think "did it?" More insane conspiracy theories.
@@Natnast69 lol call it what u like but the so-called conspiracy theorist are up at least 99 to 1
@@resistance.through.poetry and in mental hospitals the patients outnumber the staff 99 to 1.
@@Natnast69Shame on you for your absence of critical thinking or your collaboration with forces of Evil.
@@Natnast69there is no such thing as "vonspiracy theory" anymore. It's called "conspiracy realist" or "pattern recognition expert analyzer". Keep trying. Not to say what happened here since I have no clue however there is still no such thing as "conspiracy theorist" since using a science term like theory means the science is never settled.
shipped off island means thrown into the ocean.
I do not mean to be offensive in anyway. These are things I myself had to consider. There are many things that the ashes can be made into. Mostly personal keepsakes for families. The scrap metal maybe that can be remade into benches, etc. Any glass shards or crystalized stones from driveways maybe can be polished and used as inlay. If that is all made into park items and placed say around the Banyan Tree or other areas, your folks will be near. Maybe professional remake, reuse, custom industrial artists can be of assistance. There is a ind. arts learning center in Oakland, CA.
jeanette, brilliant! Much better option!
Question: Why has the water department been removing people's water meters? I noticed in a previous video that the water department removed water meters from burnt down properties without covering the open pipes leaving the water lines exposed to ash and debris . What are they thinking ?
BRGrundy, please go to the meeting and use the measley 3 minutes they give you to speak. Also, see video titled'; The actual community feedback about dumping the Lahaina Fire ash 2000 feet from the ocean.
quote; from that video: "there's no perfect option really, we've just got to do the best we can to choose what we FEEL, with the data we have and the feedback from the community, what is the best option"
Well my three minutes worth is;
NO THANKS!! 😡😡
FEELINGS AND UNINFORMED COMMUNITY FEEDBACK
IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!! 😡🦨💩
What tried and tested plan of action is in place if there is water contamination? It is a lot of toxic waste to have to move for a second time if there's any health or safety issues. And 10:50 How on earth did they separate the hazard materials from what they plan to bury in a 'big bowl' ? This whole proposal is ridiculous nonsense! I reject it. Looks like it's still at the drawing-board stage to me. 🌺Start with sacking the'mayor'
You answered your own question. They aren't and don't care.
Thanks again, Jessie. Such a huge job. No way could they take the debris and remains over the pali.
How about all the people that were burned to death....where are their ashes? Were they all recovered? How many still missing? This is the first time those precious remains are mentioned. Lord have mercy on all those precious lost people.
Body ash is all mixed in the houses and cars ashes.
Josh doesn't want to know how many perished.
This guy doesn’t care where they are he’s looking to sell Lahaina property!!!
That's the Ash they're talking about..
Thanks for your update post fire in Lahaina. This community obviously has gone through so much. I believe the Hawaiian strength and resilience will make Lahaina even better than it was pre fire.
What an uninformed and callous opinion that Lahiana could EVER be better than it once WAS
I don't think it will ever be. Unfortunately. They are making inhabitable.
So much “urgency”to do this , somehow seemed to be completely lacking before and during the fire…
Millions want to know why an independent investigation was not completed. Multiple deaths, engines melted, fire spreading AGAINST 30-80mile/hour winds, blue items survived, engines melted right next to trees that were intact, people directed to drive back into the fires, John Peltier (LV shooting) hired at 1/4 million dollars per year, metal buildings burning down while trees right next to them didn't get touched...missing people...WTH..and this isn't a crime scene that needs to be investigated? MILLIONS of us want to know!!
catherine, to cover their own backs so they keep their high paid careers
Presentation was excellent but looks like an overwhelming task. Hope it can be accomplished safely
They should clean up the private residential properties first, then do the commercial properties. That way the individuals who are struggling can decide what they are going to do.
@@curiousgirl.4134 That is a really great point, brilliant thinking and powerful solution. Maybe you can write to the Lahaina mayor? Remember to ask for a reply.
Temporary railroad tracks for the 3.5 miles might be helpful compared to "tens of thousands of truckloads"? Maybe the hill is too steep for the last part or they don't have the railcars? If they chose that route it would take about 450 of the Chinese 25 meter lengths of rail, and 9,000 or so concrete crossties and those could be reused elsewhere on the island after the project.
Great idea however have you seen the Honolulu (short line) rail fiasco? $12 billion
2,730,382 views May 20, 2018
How are China's high-speed rail tracks laid?
Watch this report from Ningxia, where a high-speed railway linking the region's capital with Xi'an, home of the Terracotta Warriors, is being constructed.
czcams.com/video/6_uwrue9cnY/video.html
15 minutes per 500 meter length of rail they would lay the 3.5 miles in less than a day - it is only 12 pairs of rail 5,634 meters in 3.5 miles I was mistaken about the 25 meter rail lengths I mentioned in my first comment - they are using 500 meter lengths now but perhaps only for the bullet trains
I Wonder where they took all toasted cars?. Thanks
Thank you for your factual and unbiased presentation of what is going on. There is no shortage of opinions, and in some cases conjecture that only harms the process from moving forward.
Thank you! Well said.
Blue containers were removed from Maui.Were they monitored? ? Remain diligence. Bless you all.🙏
Hundreds of residential and business fires over the years and this one happens to extremely toxic???
money
It's Evidence of malfeasance.
Stop it with the nonsense, it only drags the community down and accomplishes nothing. The only malfeasance was the wind. Time to grow up!
Research. Seek the truth while I can still be found. Too programmed 😞
They are hiding the evidence they can’t use it in park benches!
@7569mia Your ignorance is evil.
This is so important to watch!! Thabk you for covering!! Prayers for Maui!! Angels protect Maui!
Incredible, unbelievable, heartrenching.Thank you for documenting this. We get little to no news about this in the Continental states. This should not be swept under the rug.
Where did they take the 911 debris
china
There wasn't hardly any. Molecular dissociation. The buildings ( not just wtc 1, 2, and 7 but all wtc buildings) turned to dust before they hit the ground
@@scott4981jup,und daraus werden wieder Pfannen zum kochen geformt🤢
It went to a landfill on Staten Island called "Fresh Kills". You can't make this stuff up.
What WAS the hazardous material? Or was it evidence? Were fire officials involved in analysis of the ashes?
They aren't fooling anyone.
burned PVC makes Dioxins, the 2nd worst kind next to AGENT ORANGE dioxins
Some evidence of NAPALM they’re hiding, Probably the accelerant used to make the perfect rings of fire around many blocks in Lahaina seen from the air. Straight lines NOT found in Nature. The trucks are destroying traffic, making a logjam day & night, discouraging residents from staying. Now, a MUCH larger area NOT BURNED is being seized thru EMINENT DOMAIN by the government! This is a huge landgrab. Foundations removed, other debris are being added, and those “burritos” torn open, never to be moved to the “permanent” area! It’s ALL going to drain into the Ocean onto the Mother Coral Bed & kill it! The liners are ONE layer of black tarp, already splitting open, and ONE layer of thin FELT, which is useless. The Mayor is guilty guilty guilty of “misinformation”
How the heck they're going seperate loved ones' ashes from the 400.000 +/- tons of ash? I'm kind of lost. Steve in Canada.
Not gonna happen. Come on.
They didn’t even try! Read Burn Back Better, Perfect Storm or Perfect Crime!
There is no way to do that. Treating all the ash with respect is as good as it is going to get. This is the problem with most very hot fires. In chicago, the debris was pushed into the lake as landfill, which became our beloved lakefront parks. Another reason why when someone suggests selling or leasing that land for anything but public use, we get very upset. I think Maui will be treating this land with the respect it deserves.
Curve ball to play to the locals.
Where is Maui County going to obtain trucks and drivers to move tens of thousands of truckloads? They fail at normal trash pickup too often.
I’m sure all those rich people would love to help Maui and feel good about themselves 😁
Snicker, Snicker.....I'm sure they'd ALL be breaking their butts to help, NOT!! 😂😂🤔😔😵💫
Orchestrated 🔥
Ash is good for making Lye. I wonder if the state will try to sell it to cargill or someone to do such with?
Thank you Jesse for sharing this update.
🌊 ALoHa 🐳
GOD ❤ BLESS 🕊
Build a processing plant nearby. You'll contaminate the rest of the island by moving it. Most of whats in the soil can be removed by scraping it off or by using plants that bring up heavy metals and toxins thru their roots and then removing the plants in a couple of years. Those metals can then be extracted from the plants when it gets incinerated.
Someone, anyone...Test the ash for RADIATION!!! This would explain why none of the residents have been allowed back into Lahaina for FOUR MONTHS. For the love of God, don't throw it in the ocean.
I admire the people of Maui for their hard work repairing their Island. Gog bless Maui.
Thanks for posting this Jesse. There are some very important questions to be asked; 1: WHERE will we be able to take our debris if we opt out of the Army Corps of Engineers (ACE) cleanup, and how much will it cost us per cubic yard to dump? The reason I ask is that the ACE has said that if we want to keep our slab foundations they will NOT remove our ash debris. (Saving our slabs and adding a new structural slab over them will save us $100,000 or more in rebuilding per owner). 2: WHEN will we know the answer to question 1? We cannot make a logical decision based on cost and value without having the answer to these two basic questions! If they don't answer these questions in a very timely manner, many will be locked out of the ACE program and at the mercy of the powers that be as to the cost and viability of rebuilding.
Toxic waste?Bury it on Oprah’s property.
Perfect solution!
She will probably eat it.
Comments like this are unnecessary rude and hateful.
Rude. Oprah didn't start the fire. She's actually helping people.
If not at Oprah's maybe you can get it to DC some how?
Jesse, I have tears for the loved ones' ashes. Much Mahalo, Respect, for them and their relatives. Steve in Canada.
What did they do with the waste in Cumberland,Ky.??? What did the ARMY CORE OF ENGINNEERS DO WITH THAT???
I just watched your video. I don’t know if they already thought of this, but I was thinking it would be better to move the ash/debris at night or very early in the morning when there’s less traffic. I also wanted to thank you for the video, which was very informative to me. Mahalo!
Good job Jesse. Mahalo!
Thank you for this update. Jim
A question, it looks like the division between a burned area and one not touched is always on a lot line. This is not logical if we understand the nature of fire !
This is a very strange story
How much land doesOprah own ??
about 2000 acres
Plenty room for ashes🤔🤔
@@marciadasilva700 the ashes were sprayed with the most highly toxic chemicals which makes the land useless to the people. then its packed into 50 gallon " blue " barrels and towed 2 miles off the coast and dumped..you can watch them do this, or even get a job doing it. where they are dumping has also killed the entire area of all life. 45 year maui resident
I know this is a serious matter, but the flipping moa walking by gave me a giggle. Those magic little dinosaurs, man.
You’re a REaLTOR! You do not care about the people!!I’ve listen to your pod casts! You’re all excited about selling!😊
Great video 🌺
Only knowing Maui..as I'm proud to say>>>>>>the respect...of the Dead....toxic..materials...etc...etc...God Bless ...Maui will come back....to hopeful...back to some what the Love of the OLDE.....history.... Thanks.....
Thank you, Jesse, for posting this very informative video. As an admitted outsider to Maui, but one with ties to people and places there, I had an idea for the containment area. Apologies for any cultural overstepping, but would it be possible, once the containment is complete, to build a modern version of a heiau over the site with a commemoration of the lives lost?
Where can we find what kind of contaminants.,the effects on the land and the people.
Google
Add the ash to bricks and during the process remove all toxic metals and such then use the bricks to rebuild and make fire resistant housing. Use the metals saved to make art to remember those who paid the highest price in this fire.
There’s too much human ash mixed in to reuse the ash in any manner. 😢
Everyone I know says my Graciecat is so photogenic..she would be a centee of attention in your nrxt feline video. Thanks Shirley!!
Oprah's garden....ash good for her garden.
New haunting place?
“Or somebody with a hose”….😳
I like how y’all burned down the stuff and then want to help him clean it up😂😂😂
I thought the toxic debris was already removed and this is just ash. Maybe i got that wrong.. .
I lost my house in Santa Barbara and even years after the cleanup my soil is still loaded with heavy metals. I had it tested at a laboratory and it was astonishing.
Shane mentioned some of the removals will be takem off island.
Did anyone mention or question where that off island location will be?
Do you know if it would be in the Q & A portion of the ending of this meeting ? (In the link posted ?
What about the thousands of burned ash from bodies?
Debris???
I have been wondering if it could be used in a concrete mix for 3D printing of new walls. The people who are experimenting with this technology are using all sorts of possibilities. I know, authorities have already planned what they want, but couldn't it be at least considered as useful some way?
Tu veux vivre avec des cendres de victimes d'un génocide dans tes murs toi? 😮
@@chrisgibson8882 I believe all the human and animal remains have been removed as toxic.
It sounds like the concrete and asphalt will be crushed so that it can be used again in the rebuild. This is pretty common. Unlikely that there will be any cutting edge technology employed. It seems like the goal is to try and help people restore some sense of normalcy as quickly as possible.
@@chrisgibson8882 Exactement/exactly....
😮 Sure..and seeing that it has ashes of deceased loved ones in it, it could be a memorial????
😢😢😢
Not a good idea.❤
Adele Gleason, I agree. When 'land prospectors' come and literally bulldoze tthe sacred debris knowing there are body/bone remains mixed with ash, that is criminal. I only hope authorities are sensitive to stop those 'land prospectons', from bulldozing the debris away as if nothing happened.
It seems like they have it all figured out to make it as safe, as fast, and as efficient as possible for all concerned. This might be discussed in another of your videos, but how much will the process cost?
NO! Nothing is being done safe. You can learn more details by watching you tube videos on this by Hawaii Real Estate Eric West or Living Earth systems by Eddie Garcia. Drone Footage of The substandard work then are doing is alarming. 100's or locals and 10,000 worldwide testified against this
Olowalu Dump. The officials even refuse to safely contain the poison in shipping Containers.
Mayor
16:22"...this is a final resting place for some folks"
Right? Yet the County Council is claiming that this site is only temporary!
The volcanos spew out ash by the billions of tons all the time.If its not toxic take it out to sea or spread it on fields for crops.
It is toxic.
It is toxic! I lost my home in Santa Barbara and even years after the cleanup I tested my soil and it is still loaded with heavy metals and tons of lead and cadmium and copper and nickel and mercury.
Yeah you can’t wait to start sales and get your hands on money from those sales…. I’m surprised people there aren’t running you off island! Its like you just look excited for all of this when people are suffering!
If I understand the containment area will hold all ash be an unknown amount of human ash. Will there be a memorial signage or places for family and friends to sit and be able to mourn the loss of the loved ones?
Send it to Davos
On Prison street , the old prison was made of rock , was it spared ?
When did Aloha mixed plate become Star noodle?
Same place as the missing bodies
What happened at the 12/15 meeting this morning?
What's going to happen to the farming community there
I don't know how some of these people have the gall to show their damn faces in public - the fact that they even still can speaks volumes. Still, if anyone knows anything about toxic garbage and waste, they do.
Stop it with the blame game and grow up! It only makes things worse and accomplishes nothing.
Your ignorance is our demise. Wake up.
Education from GOES 18 SATELLITE DATA missing. Friggin B.S.
Have ALL the missing people been accounted for?
What about a monument with names of human ashes?
Is it toxic because the pipes carrying water, drainage etc and electrical wiring all melted?
That and furniture and any less paint from before 1978.
yes
They should know where people. Died and those areas should be treated separately
Naruhito is United Nations water rules guy. Hirohito grandson.
Ash is used to make waterproof concrete. We will likely mix the ash into the slag mixture to make concrete for the new foundations.
Toxic ash used thi way???
Enjoy the lead poisoning as you do. Make sure to test your blood lead levels a couple of months later and have a good laugh as to how much of it that your body has absorbed! I lost my house in Santa Barbara and even years after the cleanup the soil in my yard is still loaded with heavy metals. I took it to a lab to have it tested and I was astonished. I still do not allow children to play in the dirt in my yard.
Clearly neither of you have ever taken a college level science course. Ash contains very little lead as it usually cooks off and aerates into lead vapor with extreme heat. What lead does not aerate mixes with copper and aluminum to create alloy slag. Ash is not toxic, it is high ph and high in nitrogen, which makes it an ideal soil amendment, and key ingredient in organic fertilizer. Pure ash typically is very low in actual toxins, that’s would be the other debris.😂😂 go back to school
Aside from that obvious note there is also the fact that trapping any potential toxins inside a concretion such as a fire victim monument will keep them sequestered for up to 1000 years. Meanwhile an open pit up island is an environmental disaster in the making.😢 ignorance is a sin
@@chrisbarriere101 that's a good one smart guy however you missed a very important point. There is all kinds of other stuff on the ground that is not ash and that is the stuff that contains heavy metals. Duh!
Have any permaculturalists, mycologists been consulted, or you just addressing this corporate way??
Those FEMA endorsed general contractors have dishonestly already said it is NOT feasible and already too far past the planning stages BUT yet is WAS done in the aftermath of the Paradise California fire. It would require them to do things other than the way those contractors WANT and make the whole project less profitable for these contractors which were hand picked (Not though public vetting) by corrupt FEMA officials allowed to profit by the entire corrupt federal government structure. Maui County Council is unfortunately in WAY OVER their heads just following the state's marching orders. Clueless and OVERWHELMED. Citizen of Lahiana could do MUCH better!
Tree's look fine ?
Is the "Chicken" an " Official from the Government?"
Make glass out of the ash n put a dome over the island.
What drone are you using.. DJI Mini 3 Pro... Are you alowed to fly your drone?
It’s a mini 4. Yes, I am a licensed drone pilot.
Any where close to the sea would be a disaster.
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!! This site is 1,000 feet from the ocean. THIS would NEVER be approved by an Environmental Impact STUDY which has been EXEMPTED! These EXPERTS are idiots. Just becoz the state owns this land it not an intelligent explanation. A scientific supported location is the ONLY logical answer. THE Right location could be safely acquired using Eminent Domain for the SAFETY and consideration of the future of the LAND and the people...NOT creating THIS SuperFUND cleanup problem for the FUTURE. WHERE are the Environmentalists and experts from the University of HAWAII? I'm just an ordinary citizen...
Who is cleaning up
I hope they hire the men who need work on the island to be involved, that would only be right so they can rebuild themselves and their lives.
Do everyone who owned there homes and property still or is someone trying to buy there properties cheap. That would be really sad.
Dear MacKenzie Scott is how the letter begins.
Imagine, distributing equal amounts to billionaires land…
You could take it up and dump it at Oprah Winfrey’s house😂
😂 totally agree!!!!😂
Our military is able to clean it up. This is so ridiculous.
our military serves is real not uSA
Send the ash to Washington D.C., it belongs to them, they made it. Also, the ash is toxic.
Mayor Bissen didn't add anything of value when addressing the attendees.
The volcano is “sacred”… human remains can be respectfully handled by putting them in the volcano
It's going to blue diamonds...if you don't know what that means it also means you don't know where the 1500 kids went from Maui
Into the volcano…
Not the oceans
What is wrong with this picture....and who are you to say i think he did a good job....who are you ?
Paradise fire victims sent $20 grand bill to pay for tree service by F E M A.
GOES 18 SATELLITE DATA missing ✅
Literally referring this is debris is just making me sick.
Bottle and sell access as a memorial.
They are the remains of a historical event.
Not when people died …did you get your 9-11 bottle
Simpleton is what I meant to spell.