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Why we all fall victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect - BBC REEL
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2024
- We all find it hard to admit when we're wrong. In an increasingly polarised world, it seems as if people are becoming more convinced of their own beliefs and less willing to contemplate other points of view. But could this be to the detriment of our intelligence?
BBC Reel investigates the concept of intellectual humility, and whether it could actually be key to making us smarter.
Video by Dan John
Animation by Michal Bialoze
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My grandmother told me once “Everyone is ignorant. Just in
different subjects. “
There is a good old obscure word which describes people who are experts in one field trying to be experts in another field in which they are not so competent -it's called being ULTRACREPIDARIAN -comes from the Latin meaning "beyond the shoe" and is described by the Roman writer Pliny who tells the story of the Greek painter Apelles being corrected by a shoemaker over the way Apelles painted a shoe in a painting of a man -Apelles took notice of the critique about the shoe but when the shoemaker began to find other faults in the painting Apelles told him -don't go beyond the shoe-that's all you are an expert in.
@@kaloarepo288 isn't that basically to not commenting something outside your field of understanding? What about people with jack-of-all-trades?
I love that quote. It's dictate self-reflection, something that people lacks these days smh.
@@valhatan3907 That type of person is known as a polymath or a Renaissance man -the Leonardo da Vinci type who excelled in art,sciences and a few other fields -not many around -not even Einstein!
”The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
Bertrand Russell.
“The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.” - Albert Einstein
The only thing I know is that 'I don't know'
-socrates
@Абдул Вахид Ignorance is like flying in air,blissfull only untill you hit the ground
Wasn't that said by Socrates, tho?
i've been saying this my whole life and didn't realize it was said by Einstein: am i THAT smart?
@@bobbylee9727 the moment you think you are smart,you become dumb enough
When I graduated from HS, I thought I was extremely brilliant. When I graduated from college, I was just amazed at my limitations and how little knowledge I possessed. Learning is very humbling.
I'm so pleased that you used the phrase "graduated from highschool" and "from college" which I've not heard nor read in a very long time! I say this too.
It has, as I'm sure you've noticed, devolved into "graduated high school" or college or university, and sounds like some sort of measurement of whichever school one is addressing and it grates on my brain the way a pet peeve will.
I put in in the class of pet peeves, a term itself of which I am not terribly fond, because I cannot name what this mistake is (surely it is a misuse, if not at least a mistake of some degree) known as. Perhaps you know.
At any rate, it bothers me more than I ought to allow it, like the many, sometimes humorous, mistaken misuses of quotation marks. Or should I have written "quotation marks"?
I once came across a cute, little, poem about how the more one learns, and therefore in this poem knows, the more one realizes how little he/she doesn't know. I wish I could recall the author or title. As I said, it was a tiny poem, all of 8 short lines but even it's brevity held the truth for this subject. I wonder if anyone else commenting has read it and so I remain searching.... 🧐🤔😶 I'd love to have a print of it, framed nicely, and placed somewhere in my study! 🙂💜🙏🕊🌺🎉🧸🧧🎹🎻🎸🎶🎵 🎛 they go to¹¹
im about to finish college and about to start applying for jobs but feel like im very under prepared for it.
This is why 'beginners mind' is so important. It's a great habit to fact check one's self constantly and question beliefs one holds. I've learned to enjoy telling people, "I was wrong, you got it right". But then, my motto for decades has been, "I'd rather know the truth than be right." I didn't start there, I started always having to be 'right'. All I had to do was decades of work to grow as a person.
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Exactly!❤
It works between people who are *not* narcissistic.
Being narcissistic is the very core of this problem.
The narcosissit will want to swap place with the victim by victimzing it self and steal the victim role in life.
When in reality, the victims are not interested to see their filthy and miserable perspective about life, they are strugling to show their own disstorsioned thoughts and opinions with any price and have no thinking, on the way they affect others.
They can not comprehend to distance them self, as we normal people, are not doctors or psychoterapeuts for their mental illnes and incapacity to distinguish their inner-side (ID, Ego, Super-ego, autenticity, autonomy, credibility, results, effects , analytical brains they lack ) .
They transfer them self into victim life and steal the whole existence, because they can not comprehend their own identity, own ego and what they are made of.
It is a whole parasitic hanging on other´s life, with no purpose , with no goals, only to disrupt and drag others down for no reason. There is only in their brain the fact that they are educated, they have family or happines. It is a desillusion of the ill trait.
Thay don´´t have the capacity to leave, to give up when they are not wanted , bcz thier brain function is at the level of a toddler , they want to be where they fell that they are comfortable, without thinking that they harm those persons which are around them.
They are nagging, they are constantly talking other things than it have to be said or imporatnt, they disstorsion the victim reallity with their awful manipulation and bullshiting. The outside factors are even more damagine the vixtim because many stupid people out there belive in the narcissist lies. They are able to invent a spyderweb full of lies, and they live in that lies forever. Because this is their brain understanding. I dont know why they are allowed to stay free to make more victims.
This video to me has been the best description of what the Dunning-Kruger effect is. Thank you for putting it out there.
My current job taught me that every policy can be interpreted differently and sometimes policies was just written for a specific case and cannot be generalised. A second opinion is always good to have.
Tolerance is something we really need in today's world.
If you don't agree with someone, don't bother them.
Tolerance is an important mental asset we all need, especially when dealing with friends, family and groups.
We all have out own opinions and beliefs, if we can't agree with them let them be!
@Mr. Fossil -- Tolerance can only go so far as the acceptance that thoughts and beliefs are harmless. If an individual idolizes Adolf Hitler and espouses that idolization in ways, such as teaching children to hate others, do you tolerate or stand up to those beliefs? The current crop of Flat Earthers or Young Earth Creationists are actively recruiting young adults and children to "raise up the new armies of believers." Do you tolerate their conspiracy theories or call them out?
We see this everywhere these days, and it's causing so many problems. I've noticed a very real correlation between ignorance and arrogance; very few people I know who are truly brilliant are also arrogant.
Fantastic, tightly packed presentation. I hope this will be widely shared on social media.
I doubt it. People hate admitting they are wrong when they are passionate about a cause or ideology.
If only!!
"Only by acknowledging what is known as known and what is unknown as unknown can we acquire true knowledge." - Confucius
And the wisdom & humility to realise that many things we thought were known are actually wrong so remain unknown; the ability to have eyes + wide open to imagine different truths & realities = creativity? To question everything no matter how often it's been copied & pasted & passed around and from one generation to the next and therefore is accepted as 'fact'; to have the courage to be able to disagree with accepted beliefs & 'norms'; in other words: dare to be different?
Ask lots of questions & interrogate the answers we receive and robustly inspect the 'evidence' provided; good fakes can fool 'experts'.
Someone once said to me that there is no truth - only points of view (opinions) = often true but occasionally there are some basic 'truths' which are very very (but almost never 100%) certain; rough estimates and working diagnoses - being rewritten and refined for ever...
"Of course, I believe that, but I could be wrong." Lol, I was wondering if someone would say it.
The plasticity of human intelligence has been the greatest gift of evolution. The neuroscience behind our ability to continuously learn and acquire different habits is absolutely wild! All of these discoveries would have been impossible without the intelligence humility and the acceptance of uncertainty in particular studies conducted then the attempts to overcome that.
Basically, brain go brrrrrrr and I don't know why.
Yes it is one of the greatest gifts....but it cannot be let loose to do anything it is capable of,it needs to be controlled and monitored by codes of law and ethics and the precepts of religion,otherwise it will end up in chaos and disaster.
❤️ Nothing is cement certain! We grow when we update our knowledge, learn and unlearn and learn.
Being intellectually humility really surprises you when you learn that you were in the dark about a certain thing. That's a humbling experience.
Absolutely agree, if more of the world possessed intellectual humility we would be in a much better place right now. I’m 75 and firmly believe that my problem solving ability is better now than it ever was ; simply as a result of learning , experience and practice. Davox.
"OF COURSE I believe that but I could be wrong"
Nice display of dichotomous intellectual humility
But when it concerns divine believe or accepted and proven scientific laws we need to to be 100 % sure and steadfast in our stance.
High IQ is acquired and is field related. If you find a low IQ in your related field please avoid that person. Einstein may not be a good cook but had excellent IQ as a physicist. That’s why he never argued with his cook.
Definitely agree with 4:11 part. When we perceive the intellegenece as something that grows as we work hard to aquire more knowledge we get more humble about our capabilities and try to learn more that when we think it as an inherent trait that has put us automatically well ahead of many people.
I was victim of this for long.
Perhaps this is a result of the accelerating and increasing complexity of human society in which people feel called upon and compelled to 'know' - albeit in a hopelessly superficial fashion - all manner of things, whether about technology, geopolitics, medicine, etc., therefore when faced with overwhelm people stick to an opinion that becomes an identity of sorts and, consequently, it is very hard for intellectual humility to shift it as such a stance when contradicted, challenged, doubted or proven to be wrong, is perceived as a personal attack.
Humbly realize that in many areas we don’t know what we don’t know. We don’t have enough information to make a decision.
To begin with, there are different kinds of intelligences beyond the verbal and logical intelligences. Also, with aging, our verbal and logical intelligences change. In my 20s and 30s I used to be brilliant, including scoring very high on IQ tests. I was very quick in comprehending ideas,in seeing connections and in verbalizing them. Nowadays, as an older woman, I am significantly less intelligent in that way. My reasoning is slower. I have however, come to understand better the limits of my abilities.
I used to be brilliant... at IQ tests?
I try to get into the habit of not underestimating even the tiniest problem or factor of anything I do, because it's all too often been the thing I've taken for granted that makes me have to backtrack. Yes, the less you know, the less you know you don't know, and the reverse effect (Kruger-Dunning, maybe they should call it) is the more you know, the more you're likely to underestimate it or assume everyone else knows better, because you realise how much you don't know.
To error is human
To forgive is Devine
" Adopting a growth mindset can help us foster intellectual humility " 👌🏻
and accepting our mistakes as well
well I think that whether we are right or wrong, we must be decisive and that is why we must do like what we think that's right at that moment. because if we do not then we will always live in doubts.
~myself~
The problem with this video is that it tries to use a single measure, intelligence when there are actually two measures. Intelligence is the potential to learn and remember while this video neglects the other measure that's been well known all through history namely wisdom. Wisdom is the measure of the ability to properly use what intelligence provides. Trying to create new terms in order to avoid using the well known term is in fact an example of the effect that this video is about.
Wisdom has to do more with life experiences than about knowledge. That's why wisdom is mostly associated with the elderly. Knowledge does play a part however. Some younger people can also be considered wise but these people have gathered much life experiences in their short time on earth.
@@kikitaughtme Wisdom is being able to see the probable consequences of an act, the older you are the more often you are able to make wise decisions because of experience but experience is only one way to wisdom, actual thoughtfulness is the best way to practice wisdom.
@@kikitaughtme I don't necessarily agree. Life experiences can expose you to more knowledge, but knowledge is what's important to wisdom. You can easily find knowledgeable teenagers who are wiser than some elderly. It depends on how much knowledge you've been exposed to and how varied it is. For example, a professor who had only studied one subject his whole life isn't likely to be wise. But a well-read person who'd been reading various topics from a young age is more likely to develop wisdom.
intelligence + wide knowledge = wisdom
and to link it to the video, being more intellectually humble leads to learn more and be more open minded to different topics so, this makes you more likely to develop wisdom.
So the secret of wisdom is wide knowledge and intellectual humbleness.
I think you could pretty soundly argue that intellectual humility is a pretty sure indicator of wisdom :)
I just think of it as there is the real world, and it operates on wholly logical principles, and then each of us individually have an emotional world (where we "feel" what it right) and it operates on our pleasure and pain principles. We just have to self-reflect on the times when our emotional world is trying to over-ride the real world, and readjust. It doesn't mean we're always wrong when our emotional world tries to take over, but you can't force the square peg into the round hole either.
There is a state in India called Tamil Nadu. The people in those states are very humble. The reason is that they were thought this Dunning’ Kroger effect thousands of years ago. They have this known statement “Known is amount of sand in the fist , Unknown is total sand in the world”. This was written by a saint 2000 years ago.
This has all come about because people have been taught to guess first with their ideas and so disregard any forensic approach to forming them. So humility doesn't even have to come into it, just a proper approach to discussion and what empirical science reveals.
The government and big pharma could have avoided all the problems and questioning if they would have been more open and honest about what was going on instead of dismissing our concerns
We have to get better at saying “I don’t know”. Even our LLM AI models can’t admit that they don’t know, they admit to mistakes okay but then deliver even worse information to the user than they did previously.
"It's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves".
-Franz Kafka.
Based on American media and politics, I’m curious as to whether the majority of genuinely intellectually humble individuals also identify as introverts?
I believe that all people who are humble in general, have at least been an introvert at one point in time.
Nobody knows more about the Kruger Dunning effect than I do! I am an expert on the subject.
Summary
1. We all have pockets of incompetence although over time we are becoming more intolerant of other peoples opinions which are contrary to ours. These people don’t learn and hence more likely to be wrong. Be intellectually humble.
2. Adopting a growth mindset is understanding intelligence can be developed.
3. People who are intellectually humble have more favorable opinions of the others and helps us make progress.
The biggest problem humanity has to deal with, especially in this age. And it will get worse.
This pretty much explains every boss I have ever had
I always believe this aspect... Bookish knowledge is always inferior to natural experience..the essence of this video discussion.... scholar underestimate others inferior in qualification..dark side of being educated
"I know enough to say I don't know enough." - Filboid2000
Academics are putting on the mantle of humility?! I'm speechless.
Ikr 😂
The more I learn, the more I realize how much I DON'T know.
Does this apply to the media?
If only everyone are aware of their own limitation and you know ... be more humble. Because ignorance is within everyone.
Tired to see _people_ whose so smug about their knowledge and refuse criticism (by someone they see as inferior) or even new ideas. Especially my experience in this thing called internet.
_Even more frustrating when a person pointing ignorance or cockiness of somebody else and not self-reflecting it to themselves (which is why I hate myself)._
This is hilarious coming from the BBC thanks for making me laugh 😂🤣😂
"I am never wrong. Once I thought I was wrong. But, I was mistaken." Not sure who said that
Especially BBC reporters.
I never fall victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect. I am an expert at determining when I lack expertise.
How can anyone learn anything if not being taught something first? It shows us how much there really is out there.
6:15
I believe that but I could be wrong
Iol
How is this new? Have you considered Socrates' message from Delphi? Or the saying of Confucius, "The wise never argue with fools, as bystanders cannot tell the difference." How much have such words as "Sale," "New," and "Recent," become thoughtlessly used cliches
It is a statistical artifact.
Did anyone else detect the irony of not mentioning a middle ground between the "growth" and "fixed" mindsets? I am sure we can grow, but I am also sure some people are particularly screwed from the start. Not everyone for either of course, which is actually the point.
OK, a growth mindset with regard to human intelligence is more conducive to intellectual humility than a fixed mindset is, but which account of human intelligence is actually *true*? *Is* human intelligence something fixed, or can it grow in anyone indefinitely?
We fool ourselves claiming we have quantified how intellectually humble a person is. It changes over time, with different subjects, or in different social situations. Seriously, one number?
At the bottom is a link to one of Dr Krumrei-Mancusco's studies connecting acquiring knowledge to 'IH', which they claim is a measure of intellectual humility. On pg 4-5 of the pdf, there is a description of how IH was quantified. I went looking because it struck me as a difficult thing to measure. Unfortunately, the article that describes IH assessment in detail is behind a pay wall, but there is enough clear from this article to see that it is problematic. Ex. it relies on self reporting about whether others think of the subject as a 'know it all' or whether the subjects ideas 'are usually superior to others' ideas', which depend on who is around the subject and their guesses about what others think of them. There is a section where the subject takes a test and then estimates how many they got right. That is not intellectual humility, even if they can know which ones they got right. They have measured a thing called 'IH', not the intellectual humility of the subject.
It is hard to measure actual intellectual humility and they appear to not be doing a very good job of measuring it, so inferences based on their data get red flagged in my mind, even when they agree with my intuition. I get it that people will accuse me of ironically 'falling victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect', but experts can also be victims. *Cough* Behaviorism *cough*
We need to be humble about whether we are correct with regards to our facts or our reasoning (even the experts), but we also need to be humble about how well the thing we have measured maps to the feature of interest we named it after.
www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/17439760.2019.1579359
I liked the topic but the animations were too busy and distracting that I had to turn away from the screen to actually follow what they were saying. Too bad, says something about how tired I am this morning... I would suggest using less busy animations though..
MBA folks are in denial of human fallibility . We, as society, encourage mindless confidence so we are raising a generation of kids messed up.
If u r angry at arrogant person that's worse....once action more so than being kinda jerky.
Many jerks cry ??
There is also the reverse: intelligent people do not realize that others do not do their "homework." So the uniformed are confident while the knowledgeable have, very real, doubts.
At 3:25 shouldn't it be "people who were higher in 'intellectual humility' "?
No.
Those who were overconfident in their own abilities (lower humility) performed worse than they thought they had.
@@massimookissed1023 That's not what I asked.
Start at 3:25 and you will hear her say " people who were higher in cognitive ability were more conservative in their assessment of their cognitive ability" I think she meant people who were higher in intellectual humility....
"Why YOU GUYS all fall victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect"
so how come some can memorize things easily and some like me don't? How can we improve our memory by being intellectually humble?
I know you said memorise but I'm guessing you mean it in the same way as learning (and retaining) new information easily? Perhaps it's your approach to learning that needs to be improved or adjusted. Learning/studying can be approached like you would when learning or improving any other skill (as well as memorising). Some skills come more naturally to some than they do to others and vice versa.
I have this problem too but I've realised I need to approach it in a way that takes my strengths and weaknesses into account. Everyone is good at something. I said to myself, 'You're really good at *XYZ*. How did you get so good at that with so little effort?' But when I thought about it, it wasn't little effort but more so that I enjoyed the learning process and naturally gravitated towards learning methods that worked for me. Maybe this approach of analysing your own skillset could help you too. It's still a mystery to me, however, there are some techniques like 'priming', 'pre-study', 'encoding', 'retrieval', 'memory palace', 'mind-mapping' etc. all with plenty of info on youtube. I've recently been watching @Justin Sung for some learning techniques. @Ryan Holiday also has some good information on remembering what you read. I hope this helps. I've found nothing more frustrating than my genuine eagerness to learn but my inability to sit at a desk and 'study'.
Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.
Ordinary person with Dunning-Kruger effect is only bad to one self but when leader with lots of power has Dunning-Kruger effect that leader can cause lots of problem to all, for example the communist china party/CCP and putin.
The scientific imagination begins with saying, 'I don't know, let me find out more'
I recognize I suffer from "Dunning-Kurger effect" , therefore I don't suffer from it? :-D
Hilarious that the BBC has a video about Dunning-Kruger.
so are u saying that those confident astro physicist and scientist that so confident that they see and know alot that normal people wont be able to understand and wrap our head arround about the universe? probably not.
The BBC does get that it is describing itself.....doesn't it?
If we all make errors, does this mean the Dunning - Kruger effect is wrong?
U can lead an ok life thinking u r the best....as long as ur rules of best isngood
Damn! The comments section is a mess 😐.
You can take a horse to water but you can't make it think ;-)
-as an idealist I'm compelled to be optimistic about 'our' future but ..... ;-/
My ex never dose this she is never wrong or humble but that's some how my fault
So the world is not flat?
Why do we want people to think we are wise?
I don't know anything
I don't
Know anything .
Seeking other's eyes the same.?
You are alone ... seeking peace.
So boris has how much?
I'm not that smart, but I could be wrong
Joseph Stalin has been quoted as saying, "Everybody has a right to be stupid. but some people abuse the privilege.".🤔😳
basicly arrogance, why would you not be in position not to recognize your own arrogance?
As a dissenting opinion I point out that most profs are bad teachers. If you understand your subject well enough younshould be able to explain it to your grandmother. It seems most do not and are pedantic about it . I suspect Dunning Kruger is popular among this set of barely knowledgeable instructors as a defense against the "uneducated" questioners.
I would arguethat professors have trained in researching their subject and not as teachers. That may be a reason why they are not necessarily good at getting their message across too well in lectures.
The world has been incentivising the loud and brash. So much of "put yourself out there", "blow your own horn" etc. No one should be surprised when the individual who just did a 2 day bootcamp then believes he/she is the newest leading expert in the whole wide world.
In other words act more like children when it comes to learning
First rule of Dunning-Kruger Club:
You don't realise you're in.
Where did he said that at what minute? Where did you figure out ?
Is anyone else thinking of Justin Trudeau while viewing this?
I am lost. What does this have to do with racism, nationalism, capitalism, sexism and all the human ideological droppings littered on this planet? What's the cure? humans cannot resist the urge to hurt. even with a college degree.
I am in the top 10% of people who realize they don’t know what they are doing. I am sure of this.
And what do you call when you're fighting to get an answer and everyone else is purposely ignoring the question? ROTATE THE MICHELSON MORLEY INTERFEROMETER VERTICALLY!
"I never let school get in the way of my education" -- Mark Twain. Warm professor love, and everyone getting a degree that affirms their ability to give the right answer is also a cause of this. From Socrates, to Jordan Peterson, to GK Chesterton, and the above mentioned Mark Twain, the mark of an intelligent person is the ability to entertain an idea, without embracing the idea.
But hey, just boil everything down to some type if "ism" or "ist", and we can just dismiss the person based on character or melanin content, it's easier that way.
Fallor ego sum
Too many people became far too arsey
and this is classic western ideologies. you are not what you think you are because you did not graduate from a recognized institution. so then should we not be digging into who were the actual qualified ones who gave us the past knowledge.
This “new” idea sounds rather a lot like the beginner’s mind of 2500-year old Buddhist, Yogic and Taoist teachings. The exciting thing is that it can be taught in schools from a young age in an ecumenical way that helps people understand the (unreliable) nature of the human mind.
My favourite teaching from Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh is “Are you sure?” 🙏🏻
Put this into school education
With the whole BBC archive? you use generic stock footage. 😳 Come on auntie!
What if we/ u r wrong about being embarassed or accepting u r wrong. Anything finde as long as u do the right thing. U can be fooled into intellectual humility like my dad..lol
A GOOD ARTICLE WOULD BE ABOUT WHY IS THE WORLD POLARIZED. THIS VIDEO IS A MINUSCULE PATCH. BUT THEN, IT'S FROM FROM ONE OF THE MAIN PROPAGANDA MACHINES OF THOSE THAT MAKE THE WORLD POLARIZED.
Vocal fry.... 😝
Here's the BIGGEST irony: Tenelle Porter at approximately 50 seconds is WRONG. She doesn't KNOW she's wrong and CANNOT know she's wrong, so no shade dude, but she is definitely wrong: And that is because it is possible to have the infallibility of limit-case human completeness that she is unaware of. One such example includes Christ. Of course, not having MET Christ, she could not know she is wrong (as stated). But she is wrong nonetheless. Peace.
idiots, bigotry, narcs and over confidence just do and judge, intelligent think and never underestimate before do and judge😀