The Shoe So Good the Olympics Declared It Cheating
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This whole thing sounds like nothing less than absolute genius advertising on the part of Nike. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Nike had secretly lobbied to have these shoes banned.
sounds like it yea
except they weren't banned. the rules were changed to VERY specifically allow Vaporflys
bump
100% probability that its all marketing
@@knightsljx makes it even more sus dont you think?
Kinda like Dodge marketing the Demon as too fast for the NHRA(without installing safety equipment)
I think we should just split sports into two categories:
One for the "purists" where all the athletes compete naked and without any gear that may give a technological advantage in any way
One for the "hardcore" crowd where there are no rules. Instead of about athletics, it will basically be an engineering competition.
back to ancient greece days when olympics were done naked
It will be a drugs competition too
The all drug Olympics
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Honestly it should be 2 games where one are done either naked or with bare minimum clothing and without any doping and the other are done with the best gear possible and allow shit like doping and blood transfusion and that type of deal
A drugs competition would potentially be grotesque but also interesting to see if we can find optimal human form for these sports.
The shoe that broke the 2 hr barrier was the Alphafly, a higher stacked version of the Vaporfly. While there are not a lot of details about that exact version Eliud wore, World Athletics then set 40 mm as the standard for the stack height, which both the Vaporfly and the Alphafly both have. They haven’t been banned from competition, everyone uses them lol.
Thank you for saying this so I didn’t need to. Alphafly / Vaporfly are different Nike shoes.
And the only way I know of it not counting as a world record was because of how they switched pacers out the entire way...
THANK YOU 😭😭 I was going insane not seeing how anyone had mentioned that yet and I was too late to push a comment to the top lol
Did you post that before watching the video?
So more evidence this was all a marketing scheme 🧐🧐🧐
Regulations state that the shoe "must not give athletes any unfair advantage or assistance".
Yet *every* piece of athletic shoe marketing in the past 50 years claims to provide an unfair advantage.
Is the Nike VaporFly the first time we weren't being lied to in shoe advertising, and the shoe actually conveyed benefit?
Try running barefoot and then tell me about unfair assistance. Literally every shoe provides unfair assistance versus a human's natural ability.
@G K ok sure barefoot shoes have some benefits but foot pain and shin splints won’t be nice after weeks of competition training
I guess the question is, if everyone has access to running shoes - is it an unfair advantage, or a fair advantage?
Yup, if shoes give 65-85% energy return, just wear no shoes for 100% return!
Yes I had lots of foot and knee issues, orthotics and fancy shoes only made it worse, instead I strengthened my feet and gradually transitioned to barefoot running. Pure win.
@@gracefool that's not how math works lmao, the percentage is of the literal energy used in the motion, not a percent of what a bare foot would do.
I did a case study on the LZR Racers in first year college. The benefits of wearing multiple stacked and obviously they're difficult to put on, so it got to the point where races were delayed by athletes taking hours to put on 3 layers of the most skintight suits you can imagine.
They stacked because not only did they affect hydrodynamics, they trapped a pocket of air that kept your legs higher in the water. This mean that the force you're generating with your legs can be directed at a shallower angle, meaning more propulsion forward and less force upward to maintain body position and floatation
Oh my god
so they took so long they banned them?
@@placeholder3863 that's one of the reasons. Also because it was seen as "technological doping" and giving bigger countries who can afford loads of suits an advantage.
it's like that fallout 4 bug where the game thinks you're wearing several pairs of pants with a speed bonus.
i can't believe video game logic ever actually worked in real life
@@posthistoricdino422was not expecting to see that here but literally perfect tomatoanus reference
I’ve bought these Vaporfly shoes since they were released and they definitely feel as advertised. One thing I notice is I’m not as tired as I used to during my runs. I still buy the Vaporflys to this day
@time to leave earth that my friend is a good way to get into flavor country… many thanks!
The point of running is to expend energy though.. 🤷🏽♂
Yeah, if you’re racing it’s great. If you’re just trying to get cardio in, you’re getting less of a benefit if you’re running at the same pace as you were before.
@@danparish1344 That's a weird way of looking at it. You get the same benefit by running 30 minutes with vaporflys as you would running 30 minutes with other shoes, but with the vaporflys you can run faster and therefore run a longer route, since you run more efficiently.
What do you mean you "still buy the Vaporflys to this day"? Don't you only need to buy them once?
This video would have been accurate 2 years ago. Now, almost brands have caught up, and you can get a supershoe from almost any major running shoe company, and actually research has shown that the different shoes work better for other runners too. Nike is not the only shoe getting podiums anymore. Adidas, ASICS, Puma, New Balance, Brooks, Saucony. And in the trail world Hoka still reigns supreme it looks like.
3 words: endorphin pro 3
@@kylestephens9593 what are competitor equivalents to the vapor fly?
@@kylestephens9593 the endorphin series is where it’s at…been using the whole lineup since they launched..
furry runner?!
Yeah his antics are getting tiring.
It will come a day where Sam and his team proove to the world that they know the difference between > and
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Exactly this.
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Ran a marathon "in under 2 hours" and "> 2 HOURS"?!?!? Those are some pretty good shoes.
dude, he did this 3 years ago.. You just found out?
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“> 2 hours” is pronounced “more than two hours”… so someone needs to review their grade-school math.
@@CarFreeSegnitz yep. The video made a mistake at 0:06
@@CarFreeSegnitz yeah that was the joke. The shoes would have to break the laws of time and space to finish under and over 2 hours at the same time.
I’m a swimmer and the suits he was talking about were actually crazy fast. They just made the same suit and cut the legs off below the knee.
What do those suits do that make swimmers crazy fast?
@@user-_o cuts down drag. Water passing over the suit has a lot less resistance than crossing over your skin, which means more speed for the same amount of effort.
@@bubba842 while true, they actually mostly compress your muscle so you have less surface area, therefore less drag. We usually call them tech suits bc lots of brands make them
I always just wore a speedo, I didn't like the feeling of having a bunch of clothing on while being in the water
@@bubba842 they why did they “cut them off below the knee”? If they are so good, you want full body.
That sub 2 hour run was also assisted by a rotating runners groups to run ahead of kipchoge to break the air around him. I forget at what frequency they would rotate, but that also helped him maintain pace.
As well as pacers they had a pace car pointing lasers at the ground where each runner was supposed to be to maximize aero dynamics and to maintain the the minimum pace needed to set the record.
@@motoarch that's just cheating. So sub 2 hours is impossible for humans then without assistance
And he ran like (I'm pulling numbers out of thin air but you get the gist) 8 laps of a 3.275 mi track that was completely devoid of elevation.
@@TKOfromJohn the wr is 2:01:39 so if shoes improve enough maybe in a couple of years...
Also, runners ran in the old "flying wedge" formation, with "runners" bringing out hydration to him, instead of him going over to a table. But as long as everyone can get the shoe, it's a level field. PS Remember Pumas "Brush Spike" at the '68 Tahoe Olympic Trails?
Hey, great video as always. But you may want to add a correction: at the beginning when you show a picture of Eliud running the sub 2 hour marathon in Vienna, it’s NOT the Vaporfly. Those are the Alphafly. They’re significantly different (the Alphafly have an air pod). Might want to correct that!
Oh so the Alphafly can play music, got it
@@Sullian_dF The vaporfly can play music as well, but only vaporwave.
He also misgendered him at 00:04
@@adamrasmussen3521 heurana marathon
Also, under 2 hours should be "< 2 hrs" and not "> 2 hrs".
Hope we make it in the annual corrections video, guys! 😁
Didn't know this was a thing, but also explains why I felt that my shoes almost encouraged me to step forward when I got my first pair of running shoes a year ago (i'm over 30) I've never had shoes like this before and it tooks a while to adjust to. Its still a noticeable sensation to run in them.
@time to leave earth
SCAMMER
Yeah I changed from work shoes to running shoes and suddenly i felt like stopping was illegal
Yeah funny enough after you get like 300 or so miles on the shoes, the foam breaks down enough that it doesn't provide that same kick anymore and that "feeling like you need to step forward" goes away. elite runners probably buy their shoes in bulk
@@justincarter7954 Elite runners don't buy shoes, shoe companies pay them to wear their shoes.
I’ve never used a supershoe, but after buying the Ultraboost or the Nike Pegasus for daily use, I just can’t wear anything else. It’s so comfortable to walk, and whenever I need to make a quick run for the metro or something, it makes it so easy. ( Specialy love the Ultraboost in leather which makes it a nice shoe for the office)
I think sports attire should be standardised for competitions like this. That way it’s guaranteed to be fair.
YES! If every runner can wear Nike Vaporfly without buying and sponsorship, everyone will have to relies on his/her running performance, thus make a competition fair.
fair and without sponsor
Yeah, but no. Imagine two tennis players prefering two different rackets (or likes it a little more stiff for example), how do you choose the standard and why one other the other?
Innovation would stop. If sports equipment are all standardized.
The competition among different brands on who could make the best shoe for each sport discipline. Is what drives the arms race. Who could develop the best shoe for athletes to gain a marginal advantage.
When you are competing at the highest level. Almost everyone at the top of your sport are equally strong. So any marginal gains you can get from your equipment (shoes for runners) could mean winning or losing a few milliseconds.
Nah… this is a bad idea. People have differently shaped feet and bodies, people should wear gear they prefer and feel the most comfortable in. Also, many are sponsored and have a stake in different companies that they want to promote, they shouldn’t be forced to wear a rival company’s product that they’re not used to wearing and that could potentially hurt the company they want to promote.
A better solution is for athletes to submit what they are going to wear ahead of time in a transparent way to other athletes any time new tech or a new product will be used. From there, all of the athletes can choose to wear what they said they would or switch to the gear of a competitor - as long is it’s in the new list or has been used in past Olympics, it’s fair to use.
kipchoge didn't wear vaporflys in his sub 2 hour run, he wore alphaflys, the improved version of vaporflys
Lol ya this is all wrong lol and they are both allowed
It’s important to mention that the marathon record was also “broken” with a constant slipstream of pacemakers and hence does not count as an official record.
yeah the record was engineered to be possible in like a billion ways lol
It might be like the mile though: once the 4 min mile was broken, the new record was broken within the same year.
Although this race was done in perfect conditions that are impossible to replicate in a real race, maybe it will still spur people to run sub two hour marathons. But just like the under four minute mile, it will always be extremely rare.
Having pacemakers doesn't make it automatically not an official record. Anything from the 800m upwards to the marathon will have pacemakers for a record attempt. There are 4 reasons it's an unofficial record.
1) The shoes were illegal
2) The pacemakers were coming in and out of the race (so all pacemakers need to start at the same time as the actual athletes)
3) Kipchoge was the only runner doing the full distance (you need a set number of athletes racing for a record to be granted)
4) The drinks and energy gels were being handed out to Kipchoge by someone riding alongside him and not from a table on the side of the course. (Yes this is an actual rule in marathon running)
@@maxb4085 its not illegal, but the location was also picked and designed to be ideal elevation and totally flat, which isnt going to happen besides a track made somewhere at that same elevation, but even then a tracks turns are harder on your body compared to this ones slighter turns
@@maxb4085except the olympics
in the discussion about human athletic ability vs having the best gear. It has always been the person with the best gear that won, this isn't something new. even if the shoe was the same as everyone else, the person with the better training equipment, the better coach. the more custom designed fitment, or the best quality meal plan and supplements. That is the person who wins.
at the top level of athletics, its always been the person with the more money and time to train who wins. The guy who trains i the local pool twice a week around work is never going to beat the guy with their own pool at home who can train every day. That's the reality of any sport.
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I feel like with factoring genetics for a starting advantage; what you've stated is the only correct answer.
I know a lot of people enjoy sports and want it to be as fair as possible, but unless we limit people to some degree of genetic variance, technology, money, time etc., there's always going to be this weird and arbitrary rules which imo, seem really trivial. (Why not just let everyone wear the shoe unless we go towards a naked Olympics for fairness?)
Genetics play a very crucial role here! If anything, the example of Eliud Kipchoge is a crucial reason why you’re wrong - he doesn’t come from money, Kenya (my country) is not rich nor adequately provides for their athletes (money for him came after being noticed by Nike which took YEARS). He is a Kalenjin, a Kenyan tribe who are popularly known for their running ability. I would know, I’m one of them and I grew up running :)
Absolutely agreed. Performance is always a product of many factors. It's time trained recently x time trained accumulated over the years x genetics x equipment x training type/efficiency x mental state x age/performance curve x many more factors. That's the reality of it.
You know a lot of pro athletes grow up poor? Jackie Robinson?
Actually, running shoes midsole always revolves around EVA foam. Shoe companies just innovate the upper and the outsole and tinker with the formula for their EVA. It was until adidas came out with boost midsole that jolts the other shoe companies to think of introducing their own midsole material. Adidas boost was so revolutionary that it changed the midsole game forever. A few years after boost was introduced, nike came out with lunarfoam, react midsole, asics with flytfoam blast, skechers with hyperburst, New Balance with freshfoam, under armour with hovr (also pebax based). So all in all, we have adidas to thank for giving us cushy shoes with big energy returns.
Adidas did not come out with boost. Boost is a tpu made by basf
@@Anon.G I know, it was also first offered to puma but somehow it was adidas who first introduced running shoes with boost midsole
@@Anon.G What shoes did BASF release with their TPU Boost midsole?
@@uglymug211 none, because BASF is a chemicals company, not a shoe company.
@@Anon.G He clearly writes «came out with the boost midsole» if you’re going to nitpick, double check. Adidas did do that no matter who produced the material. By your logic the first person who made alloy steel, is to thank for every dumptruck and digger on the planet.
Even with the very best shoes, its still just your own two legs, training, nutrition and race strategy. Being able to maintain 4:35 pace for 1:59:42 is superhuman. Honestly, try it. Put the treadmill at your gym up to the very highest it will go and see how long you can sustain that speed for. Hate when people question the legitimacy of Kipchoges achievement (it wasn't an official record anyway because it wasn't real race conditions, I get that bit). Also side-note, MOST olympic marathon runners now wear the vaporfly, next % or other super shoe.
4:35 / mile pace for 26 miles is freaking unreal. I'm in pretty good physical shape, and I'm struggling to get a 6 minute mile. And a 1:09 400m is pretty much my top speed for 1 lap, this dude can do that for 104 laps!
you kinda contradict yourself at the end there. "it's still just your own two legs..." and "most olympic marathon runners..." now wear the same shoe speaks a lot to it not just being your own two legs when the shoes can mean the difference between winning and losing
i can only maintain 4:35 pace for 50 minutes 😭
@@nawdude4292 still your own two legs and ability, super shoe or no super shoe. That was my point.
@@epicgamer496 Seriously? This guy might want to hire you as a pacer.
'less than 2' is expressed as '2'
I personally think shoes give an unfair advantage, so no shoes, hell clothes are an unfair advantage, no clothes, make the Olympics fun, but seriously, make the most advantage you can, that won't adversely hurt the athlete
The type of person who wouldn't mind if everyone is juiced in the Olympics just to see the craze records and results
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lets go back to the ancient Greek olympics where everyone was naked
athlets were naked in ancient olympics maybe we should bring that back
@ Yeah, let's not bring that bit back. And I'm not sure, but maybe women would like something to hold their breasts in place. I'm not sure ladies'd appreciate that bounce competing with the rest of the body.
Way to miss the point.
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The shoes that he was wearing were the “Nike Air Zoom Alphafly Next%” which are the vaporflys newer bigger sister in case any of you runners wanted to try them out
I'd say that any 'passive' sports gear for running and swimming should be legal, as you're just using the athlete's body and power more efficiently. Passive means no additional energy so no motors.
So springs in shoes are ok? That’s essentially what this is. The athlete should have to focus on retaining as much energy as possible with correct form, rather than just externalizing all their need for retention
The biggest issue is accessibility. It's OK for runners to be faster than they were historically due to equipment, but everyone in the same race should have access to the same gear. In this race anyone who wasn't on team Nike lost by default.
I'd say fuck it, let's go back to the Greek roots of e Olympics and have them compete naked.
This sounds sensible at first, but it's obviously stupid if you think about it for more than 10 seconds. A bicycle is powered by the athlete's body. Should marathon runners be allowed to use a bicycle? Roller blades, perhaps?
In which case the actual marathon world record is 56:49, more than an hour quicker than Kipchoge, set by Belgian rollerblader Bart Swings in 2015. It fits your criteria, after all.
It's a shame they've banned any further innovation on this tech. Wonder what it could have led to.
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There is still a lot of innovation going on in this field
Jack shit good in this context. Lot of so called broken records are just by a bunch of losers with better gear that would have no chance in hell beating some records in the same stuff that people wore when the records were made
they may be banned on olympics, but casual runner will still buy it
@@FitzChivalryFarseer2 why not just give everyone good gear then?
The shoes he wore are not the vaporflys, the shoes he wore in his sub 2 hour marathon was a prototype alphafly
“These are the Nike vaporfly’s”
*shows a pair of alphaflys*
This is pretty old news by this point. Kipchoge's 2 hour event happened in 2019. These days many other brands have their own carbon plated running shoes which have caught up or in some cases arguably surpassed Nike's shoes. ASICS, for example, launched its MetaSpeed line for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.
Yup. This video basically has 2020 info, and ignores the Metaspeeds, the Adios Adizero Pro (with the carbon tubes instead of plate), the Endorphin Pro and the New Balance carbon racer. Even the 4% bit is old news as there is the NEXT% and NEXT% 2 which are supposedly a bit better, and no discussion of difference between vaperfly and alphafly
@@Peterh165 That's why we read the comments! To have additional info about the topic in the video. I am sure you will get pinned or liked by @halfasinteresting
Feels like Nike is still king because they had a head start but Asics, Sacouny, and even Hoka definitely are closing the gap
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0:15 Can’t wait for HAI to mention this in HAI mistakes pt 5
Probably done on purpose to encourage comments in the video and help the algorithm.
Needs to be understood that what he ran was not an actual marathon, but a highly choreographed run with a LOT of help and equipment that would never be available in a real marathon. It's the reason why his "record" is not official.
His record might not be official, but it is a very objective measurement that is way more valid than any other records that exist due to real marathons incorporating different height differences throughout the track, different conditions, different elevation. So many factors that make any records set pretty invalid for actual comparison.
The problem isnt the fancy shoes, its access to the fancy shoes. They should ban patented shoes. Unless every company can make whatever its banned. You want your shoes in the olympics open the patent.
That moment when Nike created shoes so good that running became pay2win sport
Not really. By your logic every new advance in sport is pay2win. They cost the same as any other high level running shoe, so anyone who runs competitively has access to them.
By your logic Formula 1 and Nascar are pay2win, because different car manufacturers have different approaches, and one might be better than the other.
Nah if you run with a team you’ll notice that shoes don’t deviate much with performance, it’s all about what that runner feels best in
@@B3Band why not use regular running shoes. Not even high level shoes. Afterall, the competition is between humans, not shoes!
for small scale athletic events, like the olympics, they should just standardize what the athletes wear, a la formula 1. marathons should be free for all imo, until they make some bionic suit or shoes with wheels.
That's pretty funny, considering how much money every F1 team spends on developing and optimizing their car. Did you think they all ran the same one? There are regulations in F1 that specify the bounds in which teams can develop... Just like the regulations that Nike and other shoe manufacturers now have to follow about sole height, blades, etc.
Shoes with wheels already exists, they are called rollerblades
@@divicarpe1844 I think they are thinking of Heeleys the shoes that act like normal shoes until you tip your foot back 45 degrees and then you can roll
@@ska042 think tyres and shoes.
To be fair, going forwards every other major shoe company has caught up in shoe design so unless Nike makes another technological leap by Paris it should be an even enough playing ground.
I have never tried the Vaporfly, but I have run my last 5 marathons, and however many halves and 5Ks I've done this year, in the Nike Alphafly, and I am about to run another marathon in them on Wednesday. The Alphafly is pretty much the same thing, but better for folks who have super high arches. I did not notice a performance increase over my previous Hoka shoes, but I did notice a massive reduction in impact on my forefoot. I was able to continue racing with minimal pain, in spite of an injury.
In almost every race over the past year, the vast majority of runners around me have been wearing the Vaporfly or the Alphafly. Nike is raking in zillions from us.
I mean, for a top athlete 4% is a lot, for most regular amateur runners, it's probably close to within the bounds of their own form variation, so it may be hard to tell. Although it should be pretty noticeable if you ran the same course at the same point in your training in similar conditions (probably a few times each, to average over)
0:05 Should be
Imagine if they were allowed to run barefoot.
I run 30-40 second per Km faster on carbon plated shoe than my traditional daily trainer. As a recreational runner I support this technology and it makes my race day feel really special. After all, we also have to keep training to ensure that our body can handle faster pace with super shoes.
Kipchoge was actually wearing a prototype version of the Alphafly, not the Vaporfly.
You can clearly see that they are alphaflys too
Yes exactly.
I got a pair. They’re all right. I care more about the foam. They perform like a running shoe, but have the endurance of a marathon shoe. The plate just compensates for the extra foam. I feel just as fast in my paper thin running shoes, but I can run every day in these while those are once a week.
Congrats on getting a video clip on Last Week Tonight on HBO about carbon offsets. When the clip started playing, I said, "Hey, I know that voice! That's a HAI video!" Really cool.
Sounds to me like the *real* sponsor of this video is Nike
Man, great research. Skillful explanation of the relevant data. Good job!
None of the Vaporfly shoes are banned. Neither are the Alphafly.
Fun fact: The guy had a spine injury before the race and he actually cant run, but the shoes actually do 120% of the running and since 2019 hes still running... he cant stop...the shoes control his life now.
They've now rooted to his feet and are anchored up to the knee. No hope for his legs at this point
So, we are back to "Is it the shoes?" all over again. Kipchoge is the reason the Vaporflys ran for that record.
extremities was fantastic, I'm glad to hear you guys were able to bring it back
There is an interesting video by Knowing Better about this subject. The interesting part that this video left out is that shoes like the vapor flys benefit heel striking, since thats where you impart most energy into the shoe to be returned to you as the runner. The thing is, a lot of runners are forefoot strikers, who benefit from minimal padding on the shoes, so vaporflys don't actually help them much.
I once was cheated by a shoe, and the Olympics declared it was good.
@SIiркnоt 🅥 what’s here? My refund for the shoe I was scammed of?
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The second one is about making potato wedges in a air fryer.
The last one seems to be about goofy games.
Other brands are catching up, example is ASICS meta speed sky + which is pretty close now percentage return wise but still not same weight or comfort. Also FYI to people thinking to buy these for jogging: they last barely lover the length of a marathon before dropping off. It’s a shoe you buy to run the race in; and is not for you unless your technique is perfect. Also you need to put a lot of force into carbon plates
You're generally right but going too far. The shoes actually benefit people with slightly imperfect form more.
I was never interested in nebula, but I loved loved loved every episode of extremities on CZcams and was saddened when you didn’t make new ones. Nebula just turned itself a new paying customer.
I love your narration. The sharpe joke at the end was very good.
I run for a club sponsored by Adidas and let me tell you the few years between Nike having a carbon fiber shoe and Adidas getting out their own version was frustrating. Also, the shoes improve efficiency by different levels in different people which makes the impact feel.... cheaty? Like if you order 10 runners by performance level and then put all 10 in the shoes they would need to be reranked even though everything else was constant. Sucks to be a low adapter who was on the fringe of making an olympic team and suddenly 20 more people are ahead of you.
I work in footwear manufacturing, and I can tell you that the reason for the gap was because Nike patented the carbon fibre plate which was effective for 5 years. As soon as the patent expired around 2020, every other major running brand started introducing their own carbon plated midsoles but if they did so earlier they would've been sued to high hell and back. Adidas is a great brand but Nike owns around 40% of the footwear market share and have a lot of money to throw at R&D (and lawyers). Adidas is really not bad at all but in terms of size and research capabilities, they don't even come close.
Just wanted to point out the following:
1. Eliud Kipchoge was wearing the Nike Alpha Fly Next% when he ran the Ineos event in under two hours.
2. The symbol ">" means "more than" and "
Yeah the run time was in superposition it was both under and over 2 hours, trully some incredible shoes to break the fabric of reality.
As a former Nike Employee it was so cool to work for them when the shoe was being released, glad this video was made and explains it in such a good way
0:12 In the ineos marathon, kipchoge had alphafly shoes on, the pace runners had vapor fly shoes but eliud had a prototype pair of alphafly shoes
Looks like Nike is at it again with the secret sponsorships. This is the third video about these shoes released today from the people I follow.
Putting a spring in the shoe seems like a pretty obvious idea. I'm surprised it took them so long to figure it out. You adjust the stiffness for the specific use case and boom. A shoe.
I think upon studying how shoes work with efficiency you’d be soon to find out it isn’t that simple
0:42 If those are modern day shoes, what was before those😂
I like how people don't credit the runner and just treat the Vaporfly like an overpowered RPG boot that the devs forgot to nerf.
Interesting! I’ve never thought about running shoes this way! Nike is really pushing the envelope.
Envelope? Lol
@@Zxv975 yes! Thanks for the correction!
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6 years ago they were.
Nike Vaporfly shoes are not even ranked in the top running shoes today. All the competitors have overtaken them as of today.
The regulations on mid sole were not their just for Nike but everyone. Up to this every running shoe manufacturer was pushing the limit so some thing had to be done. All high end running shoes now conform to this regulation, most have carbon plates and 40mm of foam as standard. If you look at any modern shoe you will see alot of cushioning has creeped in over the last 5 years. They look completely different to shoes from 10 years ago.
This is the ultimate flex
😂😂😂😂
that compliance and resilience joke was hilarious! lol nice one!
For the year end error recap:
At 5 sec & again at 14 sec, you said "under 2 hours", but the graphic on screen was ">2 hours" which is the symbol for "greater than".
Basically me when i have new shoes and flex on my classmates
Its not unfair, its literally just a good shoe that anyone can buy.
TLDR, The original olympics in ancient greece had it right doing everything butt naked.
This video is proof that people will watch very long ads as long as they seem interesting
Let’s ban underwear and bras too. Can’t have an unfair competitive advantage by increasing agility and comfort. 🤡 These shoes are awesome.
How about we also ban water bottles? In the real marathon thousands of years ago, you didn’t have easy access to water either. Technology bad.
A pretty bad comparison. The other things mentioned just keep you more comfortable, while the shoes actually increase your physical ability.
@@noobatredstone3001 No, the shoes allow you to be more efficient in your physical ability. Should we ban running tracks that more short distance runners use because they provide more energy return than dirt? Fuck no. Technology to improve athlete efficiency is and always be a crucial part of sports. You wouldn't remove the lubrication from formula 1 cars to reduce their max operating speed because some car might have better lubricant. You wouldn't remove the dimples on a golf ball to reduce their accuracy and range because smooth golf balls were always used. Same principle here, human bodies are machines, you want to improve efficiency to eek out more performance from the same base stats.
@@thelelanatorlol3978 if two people race on a running track, they are only limited by their abilities. If two people race on dirt, the same is true. If one races on a track and the other doesn’t however, the competition is no longer fair. The shoes can be compared to turning dirt into a track for the individual, giving them an advantage unrelated to physical ability. The other examples you mentioned don’t work at all. For the car: we don’t break the runners’ legs either. As for golf, everyone uses the same balls, it’s the same as the running track.
This is a logical extreme, there does have to be a line somewhere or else we’ll be seeing shoes with absurd features on them eventually and the sport should be about the running more than the gear. The current middle ground is really good, we’re allowed to keep the main technology innovation while still leaving room where every year since they vaporflys came out we can see smaller but still good innovation on the new shoes coming out.
There was no marathon in the Greek Olympics. The race is a modern invention.
"technological doping" sounds like the name of a super trippy electronic album lol
This is engineering at its finest.
These shoes are like altitude tents.
Stuff people dream up in automotive sports is also extremely wild.
They are the Nike ZoomX Alphafly Next%, not the Vaporfly
Polymer material is what made those suits super fast. Not only did FINA outlaw the full length, they more importantly instated that the material had to be a milled textile garmet.
correction: Kipchoge ran the marathon in a prototype of the Alphafly, not the vaporfly.
Anyone else want's a "no rules, bring your rocket boosters" Olympics. Just imagine how epic pole vault would be with jetpacks, or cycling with rocket propelled bikes.
Eliud Kipchoge comes from the Kalenjin tribe in Kenya (which I’m part of - Yamune 👋🏾) who are popularly known for winning running competitions internationally. Running is in our DNA because we’ve been doing it for centuries and our body types are fit for long-distance running (look it up)
Eluid’s success is not just from his shoes
Did you even watch the video? His win is solely because of the shoes that Nike have to him
@@stellviahohenheim Well I mean he's also a ridiculously amazing runner, other people had the shoe too
Edit: I just saw that pun xD
More like scores of millennia. The origins of humanity were in Kenya, and the one thing that differentiated us from the rest of the animal kingdom was our ability to run long distances. The niche of all humans up until 10,000 years ago was chasing down prey until they collapsed from exhaustion. The reason Kenyans specifically are the best runners is because their prey co-evolved with them and were given the chance to compete with this strategy whereas in all other places humans were an invasive species that quickly and easily wiped out all of the mega fauna wherever we went. After wiping out all of the easy food sources we were forced to rely more on our sociability and intelligence to survive. While in Kenya they were forced to rely more on their long distance running to continue to be able to catch up to their evermore evasive prey.
To make any competition fair every athlete should wear same shoes and gears, that’s how u can assess athletes individual abilities easily, but due to different body structure, types of foot, ankle problems, and different endorsement, i dont think it can be made possible nowadays, back in 1900’s sure not a lot of sports companies in the market.
I was literally thinking about this whole saga a couple of days ago
The thing is, this kind of equipment doping has happened before. The first i remember was in the Ski Jumping where the 'jump suit' stiffer in the right place and loose in some places gave the jumper literally meters more of air time. This because it directly aided in the aerodymanics. It didn't take long for the ruling FIS to ban them. And i'm not quite certain but there was somekind of attempts before that to make the skis more aerodymanic to do the same until rules were put in place.
Ski jumping after all is quite equipment heavy sports and it affects the results very much so the temptation is there.
After all, why would you take wingsuit to float longer?
You could just say that no proprietary designs are allowed. If a company wants their shoes to but used in professional competitions, they can’t be a copyrighted design
The rule now is that they have to be commercially available. So prototypes are banned, but if it has been sold in stores it can be used (if it meets the stack height/plate rules)
The solution to the "unfair advantage" issue is for Nike to strike its sponsorship deals with the race sponsors, not the athletes, and they will provide shoes to everyone. Anyone who wants a Vaporfly or whatever comes next, can have it.
Very bad idea. They are so gready charging over 300$ for them. Running is one of the very few sports the poorest could exel. No more the drove the prices for shoes to the roof. I'm so fed up with them i changed to other brands.
fun fact this whole debate is why the ancient greeks ran naked, they didnt want anyone wearing vaporwaves
How can a massive channel make a video that’s entirely wrong but speak with such confidence
0:06 it should be 2h
wow thats a mistake already
Was hoping somebody spotted it 😅
no doubt we'll see it in this year's mistakes video
no, it’s correct. These shoes are so good they warp reality enough so a runner can run both under 2 hours AND over 2 hours simultaneously. Schrodinger shoes.
You forgot that now almost every running shoe company has there own super shoe that is comparable or even better then vaporflys
compliance: how much you can compress it before it becomes very stiff
resilience: ability to return to its original shape (return the pressure)
While they are still legal to race in at any level, it's important to note they'd be illegal for tracks races which limit thickness to 25mm, although you wouldn't really want to use them, as the nike Dragonfly spikes are much better for track races and grip. Other companies are also catching up after the past 2-3 years as seen with the Adidas Adios Pro 2 and the Aspics Metaspeed Sky/Edge becoming other notable shoes on road race podiums.
So one company figured out the next revolution in sports equipment, and they were banned because other companies couldn't use their own R&D departments to compete effectively. Got it.
Maybe we should ban low drag swimsuits too then.
And then they did ban low drag swimsuits
I mean they’d ant blame him for having the best running shoes there’s nothing stopping the other runners from getting them
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Literally went out and bought a pair after seeing this the first time. Can confirm, the most comfortable shoes I've ever owned. Ive had issues with corns for more than a decade and they are no longer an issue.
I'm on my second pair now and already shopping for a third.
Wearing this shoe gives you
+5 Speed
+3 Comfort
+3 Stability
-1 Drip
5:00 IDK. If it's really about "not giving athletes an unfair technical advantage", the organizer should just specify an exact model of shoe.
but then the company will release the same shoe under a new name and the slightest variaton, that's why there's no point in banning only a specific model
@@Minette203 Not "you can't use this shoe", but "you can ONLY use this shoe".
Might I say These shoes are on STEROIDS? 😂
0:15 I don't get how people can confuse < and >. It's so intuitive... small < large - as the sign implies - where the sign is larger, the larger number goes. So if you want to say "less than 2 hours" you should say "
Kipchoge didn't use the Vaporflys for his sub-2 hour marathon. He wore the Alphaflys, which is very clear in the photo you showed of him celebrating with his wife. This is a pretty glaring error.
The cheaters camp would probably question "how far would you take it", because let's face it, a mecha suit (should one exist) would give you superhuman ability. Yet, you could reason that it's just your sports wear.
The non-cheaters camp would go "these are just shoes", because let's face it, they are. Anyone can buy them, anyone can wear them, and anyone with the ability to do so, can run in them. How is it different from, say, a super efficient swimming cap or a cycling helmet.
I'm in the latter group. Banning sports wear that is "too efficient" is just arbitrarily handicapping athletes who would otherwise perform better. You might as well require footwear to be either nothing or flipflops, just to make sure the footwear is not affecting the athlete's ability in any way. This, of course, is bollocks.
I think the mecha-suit fails by having a seperate powersource. That's the hard limit.
@@Illianor123 What is a power source anyway? Pressurised air is technically a power source, or at least it can be, and Nike Air is allowed. A solar panel is not a power source, but merely a power converter, not unlike your own gut.
@@thany3 Bad argument, recovering energy expended by a runner's body during the race is clearly conceptually different from energy being provided by potential energy stored/generated in any chemical or physical medium outside the body. All energy expended by the runner should come from the runners' metabolism. Also your pressurised air in a running shoe argument is incorrect, a pressurised container is not a power source if you are not letting the air out, air in a sealed container is just a spring if the total mass of the air is not being altered.
@@thany3 Carrying Solar Panels without a battery seems inefficient. I don't think they would be able to make up for the added weight.
Do the Nike Airs need the pressure recharged? Do they release the power in any way that needs charging?
Don't take the mecha suit literally please, guys/gals. It's an extreme example to illustrate my point.
Then imagine a super futuristic coating that magically completely nullifies air/water resistance. How about that.
“Under two hours” and “> 2 hours” are not the same thing. This better go in the mistakes video.
imagine car racing was like this. "you cant drive that car because its faster than mine"
Q: " What makes the vaporfly so good?"
A: Child slave labor.
Obviously I watch too much on the BBC. I remember the Kipchogi sub-2 hour marathon. Basically it was a farce, and everyone knew. He was surrounded by other runners to shield him from drag and cross wind, as well as pace make. Like I say, this was on the Beeb, and of course at no point was it mentioned he was wearing a new shoe. I demand my licence fee back!
it isn't a farce because he never claimed it was an official world record, but a demonstration of a theoretical best time
@@ocelots Still a farce though. If they really wanted to demonstrate the improved shoes there should have been a 'control' run with the old shoe, with the same lab type conditions.
@@rogink it was not a test of the shoes, the shoes were there for product placement, it was a test of kipchoge (and by extension, humanity) of whether a sub 2 hour marathon is possible. Kipchoge won the 2015 berlin marathon despite his (nike) shoes falling apart, the man is an incredible athlete and I don't believe the shoes have a significant impact (I think nike wants them to be banned so people believe the shoes will make them better)
@@ocelots OK I get you point about proving if sub 2 hour is possible. If he'd run on a treadmill I don't suppose anyone would have filmed it!