"What Are You Willing To Give Up?"
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- This is a short segment from SOC 119, an introductory class on race and culture that is taught by Dr. Sam Richards at Penn State University. Today's video comes from the fifth class of the Spring 2023 semester. The live stream took place on Tuesday, January 24, 2023. The full lecture live stream is available here: • 23SP - Class #4: When ...
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00:00 Who has white privilege?
03:56 When is white privilege in operation?
05:40 "I've never been pulled over before..."
#race #racism #whiteprivilege
A lot of "privileges" are earned by making good choices in life . Why should those who earn privileges give them up to those who don't?
Many people are born into unearned privilages
I was raised with a huge privilege. I had a mother and father stayed married their entire lives.
Say the people with a 400+ yr start in life by living off of my ancestors free labor.
Really?? My grandfather was a farm hand , my father left school at 16 to go work to support his parents, he got his GED in the Army and served 22 years, I went to public schools, made no money on your ancestors! What did u do in your 20s to start a career?
Bingo! My parents sacirficed, made good decisions, and put family first. I bennifetted from that eviornment. Why should I feel guilty for following in their footsteps.
I "gave up" 20 years of my life serving in the military. I worked and sacrificed to get what I have and I'm damned if I'm going to give up anything to people because of the past. I wasn't given crap, I earned it.
These frauds will give up nothing, but will have no problem taking everything away from someone else.
You have the right to benefit from all the good decisions made by your parents and their parents.
Yup.
is it also your right to benefit from all the bad decisions your parents have made? What about the children of those with parents who couldn't make decisions, because their decision power was taken from them in an immoral and violent way?
@@aysepersona4194 what about them?
you mean parents from communist countires ......@@aysepersona4194
@@aysepersona4194 Unfortunately, yes. You do suffer from your parents bad decisions. Too bad, so sad. Get over it and improve yourself.
I'm an '09 grad from college and I was one of the 5 conservative/libertarian (Ron Paul voter in '08) poli-sci majors and had to constantly debate against the idea of equity, though it wasn't as fervent then as it is now... These students are so ideologically captured and have no idea.
It's always about money. "Making things fair" is code for the reallocation of money on the basis of skin color.
Whatever your philosophy is, if it starts with elevating race above personal awareness and responsibility it is wrong
In-group preference is an innate trait in all animals designed to increase survivability. To attempt to remove it is a utopian folly which will end in destruction.
I wish there were some older folks in the class to comment. Kids want everything fair and even. Does not happen in real life.
Yeah it’s easy to think you could give things up when you don’t have a mortgage kids etc
So true. cheers
The rollback of "affirmative action" was one of the "best things" our Supreme Court has ever done. Lord knows how many jobs I was not considered for based on my skin color...
It’s easy to want to address “white privilege” on a societal level when you don’t have to bear the consequences for being wrong. The term is made-up, I know where it comes from (Marxism) and it’s punishing individuals for a perceived collective wrong. I’m happy to see these kids willing to discuss these things, and even happier to see a professor discussing it, but I seriously worry about the racism this is causing against white ppl when I see so many college kids believing that the notion of white privilege is legit. I’m not harshing anyone, just saying I don’t understand how we got to this point that racism of one specific kind, and only that type, is acceptable.
It’s called positive discrimination and the left thinks it’s desirable to create equity (equal outcomes).
I appreciate your sensible comment, and I agree. I am also a bit disturbed by the professor leading the discussion seemingly under the assumption that the notion of white privilege is ligit and real. Knowing that this is only part of a class discussion, I truly hope that the professor had defined white privilege before diving into talking about it.
Sabrina nailed it....The white privilege discussion is all about communism.
Don't give up any pie! You worked hard for it! It's yours to choose what to do with! You can give it up if you choose but you have no right to tell me what to do with my slice!
That’s true fundamentally, but it’s also self centered and not super admirable.
@Daren Ross that's what a communist would say.
@@darenross4187Sure you can say that but being to nice some people can take advantage. For example you give up your slice cause your nice but since you have that mentality you so that all that time and not just in that moment. Would you then say I am being dumb for always doing that or are those people self centered for not saying it's ok you don't have to all the time.
@@Ilovegrunge123 All the time? No, i’m a fairly reasonable human i think lol. Let me summarize more concisely. If you can, you should.
@@darenross4187 My point is there is no right or wrong answer to that it will be on the persons perspective some can say you are a pushover and dumb for allowing yourself to give part of the pie if we still use that analogy while others say you are selfish.
In life, you need to make the most of what you ARE given. Anyone in the United States has privilege over those that are not here. Don’t squander winning that ‘lottery’.
The very words "White privilege" is racist. Imagine having no eyes, then use that term. Your left with privilege. Then your left with what is a privilege? Saying racist things to white people and getting away with it is a "privilege". You have heard "women and children first", isn't that a "privilege? All those students are at university getting qualifications I could never have had because when I was young my family didn't have the finances, have they had more privilege than me?
Privilege: you have got what I have not.
Privilege is an easy word to use isn't it.
It's because it's sloganeering not sociology.
What this is, is majority privilege. Just so happens in the us the majority is white. Head off to Africa or the Philippines you'll find it's a different group than the white group.
This is what human groups DO. go to Theatre group. You'll find a clique.
It's doesn't make it right or wrong it just is what it is. A good, welcoming group tries hard to give everyone space, and this is just about how we do that at a societal level.
But if we give it the wrong label, based on race as if it is the race that is the fact, rather than the group majority... it turns the entire concept into a fundamentally racist one that encourages you to focus on your sub group, not the whole group.
They're willing to say "all the right things" because it doesn't directly impact them negatively, but the silence when asked what they're willing to give up is too funny
BEcause they should NOT give up anything. It is their life... it is antinatural to not want the best for you. Reprhase the question to.. you are a white oung parent.. how much of the future of your children you are willing to give up? You will notice how antinatural is to ask or expect that. To accept that your children will have a harder time for anything other than their own good is completely antinatural.
Cricket symphony! cheers
It’s interesting to see young people terrified to actually be affected by their narrative, and having to think and realizing that google doesn’t have the answer to everything that is demanded of them.
😂😂😂😂 “If you want that job raise, theyre going to give you that raise ….” HOLY COW SHE IS HILARIOUS….
The U.S. is one of the most socially mobile societies in the world. If you want to do well you have to learn a trade or skill or get some higher education. So trade school, like mechanic, welder, electrician, plumber, dental assistant, vet technician, etc. or higher education like accounting, finance, info technology, engineering, chemistry, nursing, etc. or even advanced degrees like medicine. If you aren't willing to learn a trade/job skill or get further education then you can't blame anyone, but yourself for not being more successful.
Instead of using the pie example, use grades as an example. Ask people who are getting A’s if they would be willing to lower their grade to increase someone’s grade.
Their response (which I've heard): Oh, I don't mean grades.
a better example would be if you leave college and can have a job paying 60k or the same job paying 50k and a black person can be hired what do you choose
so instead of a few people getting a useful slice of the pie, we devide it up equally and nobody actually gets more than a few crumbs.
when equity is in charge, everyone starves.
Strange that the harder I work the more 'privilege' I get
I gave up spending all my money on stupid stuff my whole life. I gave up going out during the week rather than getting sleep and being ready for work the next day. I gave up having all the newest cool toys while my friends had everything. I gave up my time for my family to have a good and solid lifestyle. I gave all this up so I could retire in my early 50's. I won't be giving up anything else to anybody just because of my color or my race.
I don’t understand why we’re not teaching the FACT that everyone has their own hurdles. Everyone. What we do to overcome those hurdles is up to us individually. The longer we stand around expecting our success to be dependent on what others do for us, the more disabuse will all be. Victim or victor. Your choice.
Anyone notice how nobody was quick to give up anything?
Right now because of diversity push, folks of color have an advantage. I retired from major corporation and if we had two equal candidates for a job and one was white and the other was black, the black person would get the job in the name of diversity. This was 30 years ago and I expect it's even more so today.
Really great to know that conversations like this are going on. We shouldn’t simply accept what others may say. We should each of us question things and make up our own minds about what the problems are and discuss solutions. Love this professor!
"I don't think that it's about giving stuff up."
Translation: I think that other people should give up their stuff.
Exactly!
yup, that's the big liberal lesson right there.
We are all privileged to live in a country where education is valued to the point that taxpayers fund public education through grade 12. We all have access this this. Then we have to make decisions for ourselves. I made the decision to work at the same company for nearly 43 years, during which I advanced from a sheet metal fabricator trainee to middle management. I decided to go to university at the age of 44, and earned a BA all the while working as a technical support engineer on call 24/7. Nobody owed me anything. I earned everything that I brought home to my family.
"I made the decision to work at the same company for 43 years..."
The former employees of Enron would like a word with you. You are very privileged to have been hired by a company that managed to stay in business that long.
Equal opportunity…..correct goal….equal outcomes is not
Plus, it can't be done. cheers
This class should be mandatory in all colleges and this man should be the model for how it’s taught!
Seeing these responses you can absolutely tell the indoctrination present in high school for them to repeat these rote phrases so mechanically.
This Prof LOVES his job!
Neglect's how white america/colonised white people got to have most of the pie he's talking about & now he's asking what ard you bringing to thd table to stay
But would herr relinquish his tenured position so the university could hire a DIE candidate?
The government taxes the heck out of us. We’re already giving plenty up without a choice. Most of that goes to waste, so how about that money is accounted for and spent better? I don’t feel we need to give anything more up. Lots of taxation without representation. And nope on the white privilege. I don’t care about race or intersectionality, but I do care about helping other humans in need, but I’m already getting a ton of money taken from my family along with donating money willingly.
God help us.
My question is when is it enough… who measures when equity is reached? When human beings are born with different IQs, height, athletics, weights, traits how can “equity” been reached??
Exactly like in the ‘Harrison Bergeron’ short story (available for free online).
Victim mentality is today's currency on social media. That's why all these kids believe this stuff. When they grow up and have real life experiences they won't believe in this stuff.
Yeah, stop bitching about China when they work harder than we do at advancing their skills and technologies. You wanna get that edge back? Go friggin work for it. Don't try to bias the competition by slapping tariffs on anyone who's willing to beat you in the free market.
Nietszche's slave morality
@@johntomasik1555- It’s not just that. Low cost countries have an unfair advantage because their cost of living is far lower. The average home in Australia is 600,000 USD.
@@sylviam6535 Taiwanese make about 1/2 the salary (if not less) than we Americans. The average cost of a 3 bedroom home in Taiwan is $997K. Yet, their quality of work and deliverables far exceed what I get from my own employees here.
We Americans need to go hungry again to re-learn what it means to deliver.
can they formulate a sentence without the word "like" every 5 seconds
No they can't. That is called a crutch word - along with UM, AH, you know - it means they don't have a pause in thier speaking and that scares the sh!t out of them.
So basically, they will advocate for OTHER people to give up something, and thereby did their part, and are entitled to the biggest piece of the pie they have.
It's not give up, it's lose. Life is a gamble. What are you willing to risk?
Good analogy. That big beautiful pie….will enable us all! To starve. Not sure those kids have a chance. Talk that talk. Gonna actually walk it?
More colleges need professors like this and kids in college we’d to learn to think and discuss
Bottom line is this if you have crappy parents that have crappy cultures you're going to be crappy
Not necessarily
I wouldn't necessarily agree. I was born in a communist country to alcoholic/violent parents & I was a small minority in my country. When the proverbial sh*t hit the fan, I decided to sort myself out - went to therapy to learn to address my "crappy upbringing" & take responsibility for life. Sometimes I had to borrow money for treatment but it was worth it. Self-agency & responsibility are the best things one can give her/himself - so much freedom.
You can survive crappy. But in many cases people make it their excuse, even 6 generations later…..
@@gooseberristic But some cultures teach victimhood and nothing about personal responsibility. There are rare exceptions to anything, true, but those are the exceptions, not the rule. Better to teach to the rule than to teach to the exception.
all the kids are worried about what can be given to them or others instead of what can be EARNED. did this person EARN half of my pie? if so maybe id be inclined to share it...
this conversation is about dividing people and disrupting national unity. Intersectionality is the radical progressive/left/democrats method for acquiring power and centralizing control
We have to address the difference between privileges and advantages. Privilege is something not earned, while advantages have taken effort.
Why can’t it be about lifting others up, not tearing others down?
I will give nothing up EOS!
I was subjected to Affermative Action for 45 years, all my working life. Yes, there is a serious "inequality."
Intersectionality actually refers to the enforced inequality and oppression that occurs at and is compounded by the intersection of many different types of disenfranchisement.
Question / statement, There are more "white" people in the western world, there are more Hispanic people in central and south America, There are more Asian people in Asia, and there are more African people in Africa. Do Hispanics have "brown" privilege in their part of the world? how about the Asian privilege in Asia or the African privilege in Africa??????
When your thoughts do not meet your actions. I don't think we are hearing true thoughts. Look at all the pressure to not give your opinion freely. The youre either for us or against us has created the inability to think freely or express freely. As safe of an environment that the class has created, these students say the wrong thing and thier college life can be ruined.
dragging everyone down to the bottom may make us all equal, but it doesnt really accomplish much. its like the cry to tax just billionaires. there is not enough money there to accomplish anything, you might feel good about breaking them but you would only gain a couple of bucks. then their companies would all fold and you would lose your job.
Last week I was in the hospital. My nurse was from Nigeria. He had a thick accent that was hard to understand. He was one of the BEST nurses that I interacted with. He talked about how long and expensive the flight back to Nigeran is. I thought it was a good interaction. By asking him about his life I was engoldening him as more than just a care giver. but a man. I am a Trump supporter. We are all not racist evil people. I try and live Martin Luther's quote. A man should not be judged by the color of his skin, but the content of his character. And what I observed this man had a Spectacular character.
listening to some of the comments made by the students makes a good case for raising the voting age back to 21.
I reckon that conscious consumer girl has an i-phone.
I feel like no one acknowledged the idea, when tossed out there, that there’s more to privilege, in theory, than economic resource.
Hypotheticals don't work. Oh, I have half the pie, and can share? Sure, why not.
Then reality comes into play. For example, Student Loan Forgiveness. "College is expensive! I need my debts forgiven!" Sure it's expensive. But you're asking for people to give up their tax money to support your bad decisions.
That's a major problem. No one wants to personally give up anything, but they're more than willing to tell others what to give up. And this often involves making the people who are worse off be the people who give up the most. (I.e. Most people don't go to college, and will be financially worse off than those who do, so why should they be the ones subsidizing people who are wealthier than them?) In the end, they're champagne socialists.
This zero sum thinking is a big problem. Thinking that you need to take something from someone to give someone else is the only way to improve lives of some at expense of other is wrong and toxic. The right path is creating more value so that life of everyone improves.
Redistribution of income via taxes and redistribution of jobs by Affirmative Action are both zero sum processes.
@@sylviam6535 aka 'a big problem'
Folks would hate me in this class.
When I first got out of the army I wanted to go to college so I started looking for scholarships. What I found out was there were a ton of scholarships for single black mothers then next was black females then came black males. After that were white single mothers then single white females but i didn't find any scholarships for single white males, NONE. So how is that "white privilege"?
The pie analogy is faulty because it’s not zero sum. We’re a long way from having a fixed pie
Imagine you leave Uni, YOU worked hard on your education but because you gave up some of your privelige ... which presumably was recieving less tutoring or mentoring? and did not achieve YOUR potential, which will affect career chances in your chosen field.
So YOU now have to lower your expectations, but you get a job You meet someone you want to spend your life with, You are doing OK You then have a family, say three children, so times are difficult, will you then work hard for THEM and try for! ... promotion? a raise? or will you stand aside and let your employer pass you over until you retire sucked dry?
I am willing to give up nothing of mine. But i would like to give up other people’s.
I'm white and weak and short and dumb. I'd give all that up.
“Life Boat Ethics” by Garrett Hardin
Sorry kiddies, your slice of pie is related to how hard you work. It's quite simple.
It's also related to a whole other bunch of genetic and environmental factors, which also impact how hard you work.
@@tayzk5929 Keep telling yoursellf that, Tay. You just described 10% of your obtaining piece of pie. 90% is Work Hard!
@@williamerdman4888 That's funny
@@tayzk5929 Not funny, but it is TRUTH!
If you want a piece of pie, make your own pie. Make many pies. I'm not entitled to your pie - the fruit of your labor, nor are you entitled to mine.
If you think you deserve that pay raise, you’ll get that pay raise.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Equality is a miserable life….we should rise and fall on efforts
They want to give up nothing. We’ll just create more resources and opportunities from thin air. 😂
The pie comparison is based on the false idea that there is only one pie. Every person makes their own "pie." The choices you make, for the most part, determine the size and quality of the pie you make.
In America there is no WHITE PRIVILEDGE. Instead of pointing to people, look at yourself in the mirror. What skills do I have? Am I able to finish the task in front of me? Do I listen? Am I lazy? Am I a thief, feeding from someone else work? Am I been appreciated enough. Do I deserve to be appreciated? Before coming to America. I wake up early at 3 am, and trek 5 mountains to do farm work. Here in the US work is easy? At 52, its a walk in a park. I drive a 17 yr. old and 160K miles Toyota. Forget about the show cars and blings, blings. Build a strong foundation first.
This should be mandatory
So do more talented or more intelligent people need to check their privilege. Do good looking people or tall people need to check their privilege.
Ah, a reality check.
Land Back!
Is it chilly in that classroom? I see so many in jackets, hats, and hoods pulled up?
Nobody should give things up if they are worth their efforts. Everyone is hinting at equality of opportunity but scared to say it. They are brain-drummed into the ideology of equality of outcome.
This right here.
equality of opportunity isnt possible
And equality of outcome damn sure is not, either. Unless you consider equal misery to be a successful outcome.
The initial premise is incorrect. It assumes a zero sum game. Few things in life are such. For example, income/wealth inequality is not a static pie to be divided, economic growth must be considered.
Even if the pie will grow 10X bigger, any redstribution is a zero sum game. The more you give to others the less you have.
sometimes people have to earn their equity.
If you are a white person, and you move to Mexico, will you be treated as well as native Mexicans? If not, will you complain about brown skin privilege and demand to get a bigger piece of the pie? What about moving to India, or Kenya, or Tunisia, or China, or ... - would you expect to be treated the same as people from those cultures?
Look, we can play this little game of privilege, but maybe we need to acknowledge that nothing is perfect and that we have to live with a certain amount of imperfection.
One last thought on the privilege game: whoever gets promoted to having more privilege will automatically be labeled as privileged and have to be brought down. In other words, as soon as 'you make it', you must be brought down for having made it. How will this ever work out in a good way?
The guy on the front row might want to give up picking his nose in class😂
We "gave up" markets and jobs to other countries simply because America is no longer competitive in those markets. I watched the steel industry die off in the 70's because our American factories fell behind in quality, technology, and efficiency, then piled on excessive salaries to the workers. So, an I-beam from Japan, of better quality, was only about half the cost, delivered here, of the same I-beam produced at Bethlehem Steel, right here in the states.
Those jobs we lost to Mexico? Cost of production here. The jobs that went to China went there because of production and labor costs, along with their hunger to put their agricultural 3rd world economy behind them. Now, they outpace us in large parts of the manufacturing sector, including worker dedication and a hunger to advance in the technology arena.
While we push for these fast food jobs that can support a family's income needs, we lose our professional skill market (both blue and white collar). Unknowingly, we're teaching ourselves you get what you earn. I hope a lot of these kids wanna be a coffee barista.....
We taxed, regulated, and paid people to not work, that is why we are not in those markets. That is why we are not competitive in those markets.
@@mattbentley8958 Regulations and our social systems certainly played into it. Taxes? Well, it might be argued that if anything, American citizens are under-taxed, at least nowadays. That annual budget deficit and national debt is a good indicator.
There are tons of reasons why we let manufacturing fall flat on its face. Much of it is simply personal greed. We've certainly proven that's about the only cultural trait that all Americans have in common.
@johntomasik1555 higher taxes does not mean higher government revenue. We have both an over taxing and overspending problem. With lower taxes, many of those industries would still be here paying taxes. All of the jobs that left are also no longer paying taxes. There is an optimal tax rate that will bring in the most revenue, raising taxes beyond that point will yield less money. Our tax system has become a tool for control and getting votes instead of being optimized to fund the government.
@@mattbentley8958 You start by passing a balanced budget act, avoidable only by a Congressional declaration of war (accompany that war declaration with a mandatory no-exceptions 18-40 y.o. draft). Then, you slash spending and force the Fed to sub 1% prime lending rates, and hold them there. So, you either slash spending to present projected tax revenues, or you take your best guess at what balance works. But, you stop the buy-a-vote-unbridled-and-un-funded spending that the Dems and Repubs are doing.
Your crystal ball is no better than mine. However, keep going the way you're going, and that debt is going to give us an economy nobody can survive in.
@johntomasik1555 I completely agree with you. It doesn't take a crystal ball. Some critical thinking skills and understanding of economics gives enough information to make the proper decisions. No one wants to make the necessary changes voluntarily until we are forced to, which will be much worse. We have about 50% of citizens that effectively pay zero federal income tax. This coupled with politicians buying votes with tax dollars, politicians getting elected on class warfare and money redistribution, and just irresponsible spending creates situation that will not be fixed until we become Venezuela.
I bet some other professors don't like this guy.
What happened to the "White Privilege" when the jobs were relocated to Mexico and China ?
And we wonder why kids are so messed up these days
Should some people change their cultural beliefs to a possible better belief of other cultures ?
Yes, it used to be called the American melting pot, you don’t give up your culture but do start to blend in with current society…
It’s like like it’s like
like, like, like, like
Just what I was thinking. LIKE!!!
Instead of asking "what are you prepared to give up?" That's to vast and too vague. How about "What is it you want?"
Know what gov’ment priveledge is ? Affirmative action .
What is privilege?
Someone should ask this prof if he'd be willing to give up his tenured job so a professor of color could be hired to teach his classes. Not being flippant. I'd love to hear his answer.
@robedmund9948 The professor isn't necessarily taking a stand one way or the other. He is simply taking a certain starting point and asking "where does this take us?" and other similar questions. Trying to get the students to actively think about topics with sociological impacts. We need more professors like him in my opinion. I have listened to a fair number of his class videos and I still am not sure what his personal political views are.
Lol none of them want to give up pie.
Feel sorry for all these kids. Like what he is trying to do, but these kids, yes, kids haven't got a clue about what is coming at them. Sad.
Just after I got hired, I got bumped for a black female, being in a union environment and seniority being as important as anything, I got bumped. Even if there no difference in out skills, that is not right. does this satisfy some dead black person that suffered from oppression.
Do most of these students want ‘Equality’ or ‘Equity’?? 🤔
Privilege comes through nuclear families and good choices and hard work,
Anyone else notice the irony in discussing " white privilege " in a class that's almost entirely minority based ?
the problem is that everyone in the world wants at least the US upper middle class lifestyle. but if you take all the worlds resources and divide that by world population, 8 billion, you would not even achieve lower worker class.