Total War: Pharaoh May Still Become A Decent Bronze Age Game
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Later this year CA will be releasing another free update for Pharaoh, but unlike the Sea Peoples DLC which really did just feel like a last ditch effort to get some community good will, this next chapter for the game may shape up to be something beyond what anyone expected for the game with a huge campaign map expansion, lot's of new cultures & playable factions and more!
Today I go through the latest Dev blog detailing this upcoming free piece of content with specific info on how big this campaign expansion is, what we can expect in terms of the cultures and kingdoms and some snippets of info on additional as well as reworked features on the campaign. There's still lot's to find out and more time to see if the gameplay is actually improved at it's core and I still have plenty of concerns, but at least this seems like a step in the right direction to finally get a full scale Bronze Age game.
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With such low player numbers, the free Sea Peoples DLC not making much of a dent in that either, I fully expected the game to be abandoned. And yet here we are, CA are planning a major campaign expansion with many cultures that should have been here from the start with lots of mechanic reworks, new cultures, factions and more. Still need to wait to see gameplay and whether core gameplay has been improved, but this is still quite a surprising positive step forward for the game. Let me know what you think below!
So. , Good news After All
If they do a sale I’ll buy it, which i hope they will do
You are absolutely spot on... they have actually realised cuatomers arnt stupid. If they do this and the gameplay actually sucks and its full of bugs, the player count will absolutely tank and that may well be the end of historical total war games
@@murder13love I totally agree with you and I was thinking that they'll make bigger map now,new factions,but will keep those unplayable battles,multiple faction leaders (not a historical feature) with different troops for each one of them,basically a mixture of history and fantasy the historical total war will die....anyway,I didn't bought Troy,was free,I didn't bought Pharaoh,and I believe I never will,I didn't bought Warhammers,all of them,so it's kinda dead already for me
@@riverblack565 i have troy, i stayed clear of pharoh and i will never play warhammer... it has been so dead for me for a long time... i spent thousands of hours playing rome... i was so excited for finally getting a new historical game and it has been dreadful for a very long time!
Why didn't they just release the game like this from the start. Absolutely mental business decision or just pure greed to chop it up and sell it has dlc
They deserve it. With this in the base game, they could have sold it around €60. Now, they have to add it for free in a €40 game
@@tibododo I paid 8 pounds on cdkeys
Don't be fooled. They were going to chop this content up and sell it as DLC until the fanbase utterly rejected this garbage.
It's Rome 2 drama all over again, they learned nothing and just keep repeating the same cycle of questionable decisions until the breaking point and then working their asses off to finally make a game playable like it should be from the beginning. Both incidents (Rome 2 and Pharaoh) show they can, but they won't it if they can get away with bare minimum to save on production costs.
If they are releasing free (huge) expansion after Pharaoh being such a financial disaster it means one thing: it was already made a long time ago.
You might be rigth. I would try it anyways because I love Bronze age
or it means it was in the works after the release to be a DLC, which isnt necessarily bad, whats bad is just the state of the game on release (in terms of the arcady mechanics and lack of variety in locations, also, naval battles????).
@@lukiepookie5140 Im an noob in bronze age history but I believe naval battles were not a thing as compared to classical Greece period-forth
The battle where the Egyptians defeat the sea peoples is on the Nile and is a sea battle
@@Diogolindir Get it, the people hating this game never played it and the spineless content creators are catering to the crowd.
As a near 2 decade veteran of the franchise, who only got this a few days ago to vote with my wallet, this is the best campaign experience I’ve had.
Get the Radious mod and the unit spacing mod and you’ll be set.
CA may be down right now, but apparently they kept some of the stuff from their golden years
I firmly believe most of CA's problems have been in management and especially in their refusal to spend money developing a new engine. It's clear nobody currently at CA understands how this engine, which was created over 15 years ago, works and it seems like half the time and budget of every game is spent trying to duct tape it into an acceptable state. Combined with other bad management decisions and I think it's less that the studio is rotten to the core, unlike some other companies, and more that the devs have been hampered by truly awful management for a decade+. We know there was some degree of management shakeup but it remains to be seen if it was enough.
I'm honestly impressed. I think like many others we assumed that Pharaoh was gonna get the Thrones of Britannia treatment and left to wallow into obscurity.
But the fact that they will take actual player feedback and really make an effort to make the game expansive and feel like the Bronze Age Total war we desired. I commend it.
I'll still wait for it's release to gauge it first but I may seriously consider buying it now.
I wish Thrones got the Pharaoh treatment, and Pharaoh got the Thrones treatment instead.
I really like Thrones of Britannia. I just love the time period and I get attached to characters like I did in Medieval 2. If they would give Thrones the Pharaoh treatment, it would be amazing. Thrones could have been an amazing game,
They have to. They are dropping fans rapidly with every disaster release. The absurdly low sales numbers of Pharaoh already show how much damage they have done to the IP.
@@XMysticHeroxand if they only add new regions,new factions and keep the crappy battles,multiple leaders for the same historical country and other crap Troy and Pharaoh have I hope they'll close the doors
I like Early Medieval, but 'Bronze Age' could be very interesting for a strategy game and rarely explored (unlike Vikings). Pity that Pharaoh is not an interesting game...
A historical game with immortal characters shouldn't be a thing
The plan was to sell us these expansions dont think they listen.
But the lack of sales in base game make them reconsider not milking the players for planed DLCs.
"Its just dust in the eyes " to make you think they listen or regain trust of their players.
Dust or not - the game is getting bigger now and for free, and this is result of a wide fans outrage, which was strong and justified (apes together strong!).
But thing is - Pharaoh is a good historical TW game, mechanically and visually ( I bought it on release and kept playing, skipping SoC WH3 until CA fixed it too). There are things they still should change, sure (like to move from character-focused factions to Rome-like internal politics). But game itself is good.
Doesn't really matter, if they're doing it they're doing it. No company is your friend, they exist to make money. CA made a really good apology and so far have been acting on the plans they laid out to make things right with consumers. Make no mistake: They aren't doing this because they feel really bad and want to be our friends again, they're doing it because not doing it hurts their bottom line and puts their jobs at risk. But they are doing it. This is the relationship you have with corporations, it's 100% transactional and it's weird to sit around and be concerned about whether they "really mean it".
@@omnisapient It's not 'free' - it should have been like this when Troy dropped. Like StanbVR I think they went full bore greedy and cut all this form the original content to sell at FULL price later.
Pharoah was the first cut content from Troy that dropped and they hit a s*t storm. This is just a last ditch salvage
As much as I agree with this I’m gonna give credit when credit is due. Granted this should have just been the base game… maybe the suits are coming to the realization that if you make good games, people will play them lol… God knows we all want CA to become the beacon they used to be!
They admit themselves this was the case but frankly it was disgraceful to try to DLC them off rather than just include them in the base game. Disgusting behaviour and rightfully shamed into making changes. When we do the talking with our wallets, they listen
With these additions and Mods this could become a decent bronze age TW for those that enjoy the time period.
Theres dozens of Bronze Age fans who will be happy.
I’m glad they haven’t abandoned it , I nearly thought they did, some people say that this map should be from release of pharaoh, I agree but it’s better late than never and the only small criticism I’ve noticed is that Elam will be small in size but overall I appreciate that CA is trying to make this game work for the Bronze Age fans even if they don’t make money out of future updates
yeah i've always wanted to play as Elam. i've been fascinated since i know so little of them, but i suppose we can't get everything we wished for, and it is a big free update so oh well. At least more people will know they existed!
About the minoans they allready disapeared when the bronze age collapse append, the island at this time was occupied by acheans.
I've recently started to play Troy and I got Pharaoh for €15, and now I'm positively surprised that they're giving us a Bronze Age game that I want! I hope it will be good
Pharaoh was not designed to be good,exactly like Troy,not for the Rome 1,Medieval2,Shogun2 fans at least who wanted more than graphics on Total War
@@riverblack565 but it could easily be good enough to sell. Like Thrones of Brittania, there's a good enough basis
@@riverblack565 did you ever play it? Pharaoh reworked the combat triangle has the most satisfying and responsive battles. It really tried hard to improve on the series' problems. I really had most fun since shogun 2. With this expansion, if they don't mess up with modern politic inserts and fix some bugs, it has massive potential to be on par with medieval 2
@@AlecFortescue I didn't but I asked again my.best friend who bought it and he said you are a dev,a dev friend or a special guy so all I can say it's : you are right man,I don't argue with special people,I respect them
@@riverblack565 Source: trust me bro 🤡
Honestly the more I play pharaoh the more I like it! It’s much different in comparison to the historical titles I was used to but once I gave “Troy” a try and started to see some of the similarities in mechanics and UI it was easier for me to transition into this style of TW. Glad to see it’s getting more updates and look forward to what comes next!
Yeah. Especially the raw material trade system it inherit from Troy. It make me really consider where to conquer next, what to build, trade this thing for that thing... the outpost system also great. Some more thing to do with Court and Civil war would make the game even better
If only 3K gets the same treatment, it had more sales compared to Pharaoh but gets the axe, what a wasted opportunity for CA
Don't think so, 3k has lot of content, its a china-only- scenario, so there isnt much more you can add unless you expand the time period a lot.
I don't want to play a game glorifying Chinese heroes that never existed and units that have no relation to reality. This is a big sell for chinese market and they just hacked and sold it for pennies to each other. Turn it off.
A very promising first step in the right direction. A large map, many regions & cultures. That's exciting. I would like to see more than one settlement per region, AND more than 4 buildings per settlement. Because 4 buildings is NOT a settlement, but a small village. Let's hope they continue adding more content & inovation to the game. If so, I will be willing to pay for it.
Now that they've put in effort I'll actually consider getting this one. Keen to see how this one turns out
I did buy yesterday after this update news.
I still have hope.
As do I
Same. Can't wait for the update
Nebuchadnezzar, finally the first empire of antiquity, Bronze Age Total War! For the Emperor! ⚒
Translation: we gonna sell you more DLC for the content we didn't include.
Paradox would be proud.
Its free
@@mariusbehm9874 my bad. i wasted 60 bucks on this garbage
@@chrisrace744you can't spend more than 40$ on it.
They refunded 20$ lol.
@@mariusbehm9874 Now it is free, but I bet this was the initial plan of CA.
Honestly as someone who was massively disappointed when they announced this game and being even more disappointed at the lack of Greece and Mesopotamia etc having now played it since releasing I really like this game and I’m super glad to see CA double down and stick with it and if they even decide to add the option for mythos mode then even the fantasy players can get into it too and appreciate the game 😁
I really like Pharaoh and all the new updates will make it a great game. This has been a pleasant and unexpected surprise. Given all the negativity even before release, and then the poor sales, I had expected CA to quietly abandon the game, but it seems that we historical fans are actually being listened to. For the first time in a good while, I'm actually very optimistic about the future of historical Total War. Keep up the good work CA and thank you for all the free content.
This game is tops in TW for me. The new mods coming out are making it worth one's time. I hope they add more of these strange cultures. If they make a great Bronze Age Map to include Troy and add some Myth units we will be rolling.
I really hope I will return to play total war. Right now I am ignoring the whole franchise out of spite, but as an Israeli who adores the ancient near east (and I do see it is part of my heritage) this excites me. please, add Sumer and Assyria, connect the Indus valley, add Judea and Israel with the Phoenicians and Arameans as a DLC, make more detailed map so local forces and small alliances of local kings are a diplomatic option. This would be amazing.
Would definitely love to see more coastal city maps as well for Siege battles. Cities like Ugarit and others in Phoenicia.
I’m delighted with the update and it shows that they genuinely seem to want to sort things out. In an ideal world (for me anyway) they would keep working on this game. For example I’d love to see an expansion in the types of resources in the game as you highlighted in the video.
If this is really a case of CA turning a page on the way they do things and listen to feedback and requests, especially with regards to historical titles and the player base , it would be great if they also sorted the performance issues with Attila and reopened development on 3K in a similar way that they did for Rome II
If they add that small piece around Lake Van (hypothetical Urartu) and widen haltamti (elam) very slightly inwards, for me the map is 10/10. I don't know if on the 16th you or someone you know will be on discord discussing with the developers, in which case if you can make this note to him I would be grateful. Ps: nothing prevents modders from making a mod that takes the game around 700 (cavalry) with the Iranian invasions (Cimmerians and Scythians) replacing those of the sea peoples. In this regard, I ask you if there is a proto cavalry unit in the game (as there was on Troy) necessary for any animations of the mod
finally, I get to live my Ea-Nasir fantasy.
CA has redeemed themselves in my eyes to a massive degree! They could have taken the money they got from Pharaoh and moved on, but the fact they didn't and are planning on improving it shows a level of maturity and responsibility I believe many other devs have forsaken in recent years. Big thanks and clap on the back for CA!
looks much better now
If Imperator Rome can have a comeback, Pharaoh can too. Their commitment to this game shows how CA is trying to rebuild trust in the community. I also kinda believe that they cannot abandon it, because it would just break trust for historical TW. I don't know how the community will react, I just hope that content creators keep an open mind.
Just one question, naval battles?
No
😢@@alejandrocartagenaalgarra1509
Was Pharaoh sold at a too expensive price? Yes.
Was Pharaoh sold with not enough content? Yes.
Does Pharaoh have potential and interesting mechanics? Also Yes. Some of you guys need to give it a chance.
I’ll give it a chance when they realize that potential. people are rightly skeptical about pharaoh and they gotta prove themselves.
No. I don't think they deserve it. CA is a joke of a company and should be boycotted out of business.
One has the feeling that CA themselves had no idea how and where this game was going. Still, they re moving to fast. They should've fixed the base game before going off on another tangent which may be costlier than the initial project.
@@meilinchan7314 my thoughts exactly, why build up the bad rep if you clearly had planned on bringing all this stuff into the game they should’ve just waited implemented all this new content. I have a feeling they just had to meet deadlines because I don’t see any other reason
No
Totally agree this should have been the at release campaign map. More of Europe should be added later along with Iran and of India and Pakistan.
They also focus on nations, not just specific leaders, and the struggle to survive the Collapse .
Glad these updates are free, but man, I wonder if CA is kicking itself for trying to market it and stretch it out instead of seeing how much it would be eaten up.
Still haven't bought my copy and am waiting to see how DLC is. I was originally going to buy this in October before my birthday!
I am amazed that they didnt abandon this game. This map scope is what they should have launched with. I will wait to decide until we see the in gane uodate as well as whatever they meant by dynasties for family politics.
But they made me into somebody who is heavily considering buying it instead of juat writing it off like i did when they first revealed their map.
Do you think Achilles and Memnon will be in available to play with in this update?
Nope don’t think so
This should have been in the base game from the beginning, but great news either way
Big shout out to CA for listening to us! I was very vocal about their blunder to not include this in the original game. I went out of may way to comment on every CA post and a lot of people got mad at me for being so negative. But this is the exact reason I did that
I'll probably buy it like this. Good for them to make this expansion and give it free to the audience. Restores a lot of faith from the player and fan base.
I look at this and I'm like: yes! But then I remember the games that came after M2TW with the new Warscape engine, the awkward battle animations and immediate responsivenes of units to your orders and the massive amount of icons and indicators cluttering the screen, breaking the immersion and I'm like: no thanks, I'll just keep on modding M2TW.
will they bring back the family tree mechanic ?
Might just pick this up when the update releases
I never say never, but it's going to take a lot to make me reach for the buy button - and I am a bit of a Bronze Age Collapse era fanboy, love any decent stuff on that.
An AI Control for Reinforcements will be nice, like in other TW-Titel (WH 3 or WH 2)
This announcement was shocking in a good way. Like you said, this is exactly the scope that the game SHOULD have had on launch. Really nice to see CA try to make this game realize its potential like they did with Rome 2 after that unmitigated disaster of a launch.
We will see what they ultimately deliver.
i so hope CA gets back to the days of the late 00s, every title i was excited to buy and even if there were issues i didnt feel ripped off or that they werent listening to their customer base . They were the Rockstar of RTS gaming- synomous with quality I am actually sad that they lost their way. I hope they can return to what they once were
if they actualy pull this off i would be impressed
My main concern is a scale. Because Troy was so much more detailed and seems like Greece this time will be not so much bigger than in Rome 2 or same games... Eastern part is also supposed to be not that big also, especially if Elam area will not be included.
I think i may acctualy buy Pharaoh when this comes put.
In total agreement with you - whilst it is great seeing them now finally bring these mechanics into the game, but it shouldn't be coming in as DLC it should have been base game content - these are core mechanics in their other games - I really feel that whilst they are now backpeddling and fixing things (that's great) the whole lead up to getting to this point from their end kind of took the excitement out of it for me, especially based from their initial reaction to the customers dissatisfaction and reviews, how long they went on a campaign of attacking the player base for simply disliking their product and for calling it out for what it was.
One good thing of CA is they alway update game with new contents. I remember when Rome 2 is released it gain many of criticisms. But now it's rare to see any negative cricism about Rome 2, thank to it's dlc. So i hope the same thing will also apply to the Total War Pharaoh.
Mesopotamia LET'S GO!!!!!
I will buy it for sure after they realise the new map
Bro I’m hyped about this and I don’t even own the game. I will definitely be buying now. As a fan of total war games, hopefully this means warhammer 3 gets a similar treatment or that they start working on a new historical total war soonish.
I will wait till it's out and if it looks improved il get it
That's good, Creative Assembly (by their standards) heavily discounted TW:Pharaoh 's msrp down to around $35usd, which worried me too it would be abandoned. After so many fantasy centred Warhammer releases, and two big fantasy-history titles in Three Kingdoms and and Troy... Wanted a nice sober old fashioned historic Total War game, Egypt was great, but everything else was barely baked. Hope this big expansion DLC gives us what we want.
Oh wow, this is exactly what I said it'd take to make me consider Pharaoh (not expecting it to ever happen). I never pre-order anything but unless this update completely sucks I'll pick up Pharaoh to put my money where my mouth is.
Why is there a big isle in the Marmara sea?
No surprise they are pushing free content after manor lords is released.
It’s almost comical how badly CA screwed themselves by not just releasing the game like this in the first place. If they would have had all this on release the original price would’ve felt much fairer and the game would’ve definitely sold better. But instead they wanted to break it up into dlc, so Pharaoh was dead on arrival and now they’re releasing it all as a free update anyway.
I want a fall of assyria campaign expansion with new playable factions like Medes, Persis, Cimmerians, Scythians, Urartu, Judah,Lydia
They got so screwed they even put the elamites😂😂
now this is what I was hoping to see! I bought it just for this :)
I've personally loved Total War Pharaoh from the very beginning, but yes they really did listen. I believe it's going to be sublime. Super excited!
Looks promising provided CA delivers on their promise to keep it as a free update AND they don't jack the price of the base game (for customers who haven't bought yet) to skim more money for content that should have been present when the base game launched last year! Like many, I will hold off purchasing until after the update and hear what you, "Terminator", have to say on the issue and the game price at that time. Yes, a sale would be nice! :)
I bought Pharaoh when it came out and then refunded it pretty quickly. There just wasn't enough there to justify the purchase. With the sea people factions and now with this expanded map confirmed with the Mycenaean and Sumerian factions I bought it again. They would have avoided a lot of headache if they just released the full game map from the start and then filled in different areas with DLC factions.
Purchased the game after these news. The base game is actually not that bad, and with this update I think it will have the depth and provide the different playstyles every Total war game should have.
I'm hopeful that these new spices will make Pharoah live up to my taste as an OG Total war fan 🤞🏻
I never thought I’d say this, I will buy Pharaoh.
This is a good addition for kingdoms, I would love next to see some Celts added, or expand as Far East to India, idk about China but I would love to go that far.
As much as it sucked to see TWRot3k end, I wish they expanded into the warring states period, I hope they don’t can this, still more potential.
Will they add navy?
It's wonderful to see them give the game the attention it deserved all along.
Yeah 100%, this update will give the game and honestly, the total war series to not fall off the face of the earth.
I might actually end up buying this game now if this update ends up being good. Before, I didnt even bother looking at this game.
I think the biggest issue holding me back from playing the shit out of total war like i used to, are seige and battle maps, as well as AI. Nothing to do with the setting Warhammer total war scratches a certain itch with stacking bonuses but i would prefer just good old fashioned total war.
Think CA need to go back to the absolute basics and build on it from there because the series has basically been stagnant since Rome 2. Also i know people all want their fav fantasy universes getting their own total war adaption but i legit think game of thrones total war is a match made in heaven. Westeros would all be very similar as the predominant content, like shogun 2. take the intruge system from 3k and spice it up. White walker end game invasion as vampire faction. so any units you lose against them, they get as wights. Dragons obvs. A nice mix between historical and fantasy.
Glad they are redoing pharaoh because i was sad when i saw their "bronze age" game wasnt actually a proper bronze age game. i expected them to announce they were doing a similar thing to wh2/3 and combining them into a bigger bronze age game but i will definitely buy it and give it a try when the update comes out. I dont care if they reuse assets from troy.
Is there going to be a "fantasy mode" i still want to paint the map red with Achilles😂
Just play Troy for that.
@@SplendidFactor i know! But I want THIS MAP look how huge it is!
Looks fantastic! TW Pharaoh is a fun game, but needed the full Bronze Age map… This is it!
The best thing would be a multiplayer campaign that can have more than 2 players
I really wanna try Elamite
Actually might buy this.
Will buy when this is released. Finally some consumer friendly business practices from CA. Haven't bought a saga TW since they dropped Thrones.
I'm excited to play as Babylon
I'm sooooo hyped
I will be honest, i was not interested by the first release, but now : that extantion change evething !
Ca needs to recover trust.
They know that working further on Pharaoh will most likely be unprofitable.
my problem with paying a dime for this game is that this was a dlc, it is still a dlc, I will be using the free versions
to be honest its the arcadeness of pharaoh that puts me off buying it
I'am really impressed, my bet was they'll ditch it. Now i'll get it for sure. Recently i picked up Troy with Mythos and for what it is, it's really a great game, i'am having a blast.
Great news. If they pull this off, I'd probably forgive them and buy this game and all its DLC.
IF...
Maybe they learnt a lesson from the unfortunate abandonment of 3k. God knows they need to build some goodwill back, lets hope this isn't a temporary effort.
age of mythology:
Amanra:"Relex, Osiris is a Mostly Dead God."
Amanra:"Mostly Dead God."
That made no sense.
Also add mode to play kingdoms as they were in bronze age.
i honnestly dont mind this game the sea people campaign is fun as
Many people have probably already said this, but I'm a big fan of the bronze age and was pretty disappointed with the scope of the initial release, along with other negative points brought up by various reviewers. I never gave this game a second thought, but I probably won't be able to help myself from picking it up after the update goes live.
Late to this party, but yeah, this is what I want. I may be purchasing after all. 🤔
Yea, sure it will Terminator...you'll never learn will you.
I promise that with some mods Pharaoh becomes a good game even now 👍🏿
You are in charge of development? if not then you can promise nothing, grow up.
@@patrickkelly6691 is that period of the month ?
Yes
@lorenzofedrizzi8584 when they are on their period, their mood is horrible
I bought the game from the bargain bin in anticipation for this update
They are doing something that they suppose to do at launch. And they still behind at least 1 year of improvement. 😂
This is what I always wanted. A bronze age TW
i still want a historical total war that feels like you playing a nation instead of a character, this stuff belongs to fantasy tw
Well, now I feel better that I finally bought this at a low sale price a couple of weeks ago... 😋