Buying Used in 2024
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- A comprehensive guide to buying used graphics cards and CPUs for PC gaming in 2024, including which components to buy and which to avoid.
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Given the trend towards higher prices in consumer PC components, and the abundance of options on the used market, it can be hard to find the right ones for your needs. In this video, I attempt to analyse the last decade or so's worth of PC parts - identifying those that are best left to rot, those which still have a place in a budget PC, and those which are almost as good as new.
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00:00 Buying Used PC Parts in 2024
00:46 Part 1: Should You?
09:27 Part 2: Graphics Cards
09:31 Nvidia Kepler & earlier
11:16 Nvidia Maxwell 2.0
13:46 Nvidia Pascal
17:19 Nvidia Turing & beyond
18:55 AMD Terascale & GCN 1.0
20:17 AMD GCN 2.0
21:04 AMD GCN 3.0
21:58 AMD GCN 4.0
23:36 AMD GCN 5.0 & 5.1
25:52 AMD RDNA 1.0
26:46 Part 3: CPUs
27:08 Windows 11 Support
27:38 PCI-Express
28:36 AVX Extensions
29:31 AMD Bulldozer, Piledriver et al
30:11 AMD Zen & Zen Plus
30:58 AMD Zen 2
32:08 APUs
33:14 AMD Zen 3
34:49 Intel: Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake & Kaby Lake
36:17 E5 Xeons
38:34 Coffee Lake, Comet Lake & Rocket Lake
40:36 ... Or Just Buy New?
42:31 Conclusion
A D S
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Can't wait to get my 4090 in five years.
that will probably be when you need one
If it's gonna be 600-800 dollars by then, I will definitely buy it.
Bouta be getting a terrible 2000 fps on fortnite man it's gonna suck in 5 years 😔
We will be there
This must have taken *ages* to put together but what a comprehensive guide this is. This should be required viewing for punters looking to assemble a low cost but capable rig for 2024. I'm glad you touched on the lack of a upgrade path for Zen 3, when I put my current rig together that was the final piece that made me choose Zen 4.
It’s hard too appreciate
Thing is zen 3 would still be good 3 years later esp the 5700x3d and 5800x3d. By then it would be a better upgrade path. Even building from scratch zen3 still offers the best value for budget gamers
@@ghamsterroff6215 True but I was coming from another dead-end tech (7th gen Kaby Lake) and since I only upgrade every 5 years or so I thought Zen 4 was a better choice. You're right though, Zen 3 still has a lot of legs left.
Fantastic round-up! The used market can be intimidating but this was really eye opening to understand the intricacies of what's worth and what to avoid. Thank you for a great year of content; looking forward to next year!
Still using a 1070Ti from 2018 paired with a r5 5600 and a second machine with 1070 with r5 2600 and Im more than happy with the performance. Considering a second hand 2080Ti soon :)
where are looking for your used GPUs? I've found Ebay still overvalues 2000 series cards (over 200 a lot of the time) so I'm looking to snag a 3070 for sub 300 or a 3080 around 300 as they sometimes end bidding there from high feedback sellers.
Im looking at local second hand market in my country and prices are yes 2080's for around 230 usd and 3070's for 330usd wich is not cheap but what can you do gpu market sucks, gonna use my 10 series a little longer.
@@Kasev309 Ya i'm looking now so I can try and snag one of the underpriced deals, specifically a $300 3080. My 1070 will hang on until then.
If my state wasn't a complete shitshow for computers I'd be looking local. But everyone is only sell complete systems,some are good price but not worth parting out to get the rest of the money back.
i had my eyes on 6700XT that were 300$
Why 2 computers? You could sell them and easily build an DDR5 machine.
One point I would throw in the Vega 64/56's favour in regard to PSU cost; is the build quality of those cards is mostly excellent, reference cards use top tier VRM and plenty of premium capacitors. AMD lost money on every card. So a Vega 64 is quite happy with a 650watt powesupply of somewhat ok quality and 550watt of decent quality, where as a 3070; despite pulling less power, is more prone to transient spike shutdowns/stability issues like for like. Vega's were hungry for their time, but no where near as temperamental about PSU wattage/quality as modern cards.
It's widely believed that Nvidia used a smear campaign to try and keep AMD competition
"out of the game"
Trust No-one esp. Nvidia fanbois, Nbots are Nbought probably😂
@@johncollins5552 the problem is...AMD need to stop trying to do a 7600XT. Stuffing 16GB of ram on a 7600 and expect people to crank up settings but with the same raster of 7600? They literally follow Nvidia's already questionable 4060ti 16gb thing, yet you will defend them like old dogs, because "underdog nuh uh"
I had a Vega 64 back in the day, served me for 5 years. Beautiful card.
@baoquoc3710 4060ti 16gb would have been amazing if it didn't release at the same price as the 7800XT lol.
The point of both are to be cards with long legs, that you can run in 2028 and not feel the urgent need to upgrade as 1080p gets phased out. The issue with the 4060ti is that the used price in a few years will be double the used price of the 7600XT and it will be competing with future low end cards with 16gb of VRAM that will inevitably be cheaper.
The transient power spike issues have been greatly improved on RDNA3 and Ada. It's the 30-series that is really bad and RDNA 2 series which is somehow worse.
Happy new year 🎉
45 minutes long video to start the year.
Let´s go🔥🔥🔥
Kudos for going all the way back to Terascale! Still using it in my laptop in 2024, though it definitely won't start too many games anymore these days. Not only are Dx12 and Vulkan entirely unsupported, but OpenGL support is sketchy to say the least as well. Even OpenGL 4.5 games, which should run, often don't. GCN 1, while still mostly obsolete these days, is MUCH more usable
My sympathy and condolences for you buddy
@@Eleganttf2 Thanks, but dw, I've also got a fairly capable desktop for gaming ;). I just generally can't run the same games on my laptop (though I've found it can be better for old games in some cases)
That machine still probably SLAYS Kotor lol. If you are into star wars it's a great game. Even if you aren't "into" Star wars it can still be enjoyed just as much as long as you aren''t someone who can't stand it. It takes place 4000 years before the movies so it is extremely detached from them @@SterkeYerke5555
@@SterkeYerke5555I had a kabini AMD a6 5200, which I believe was gcn 1, could have been 2? R3 graphics, I played BF4 on that thing, at about 30 fps low. But older games ran great, even saints row the third nfs mw ug2 and carbon.
@@SkylineFinesse Should be GCN 2 from what I'm seeing. Probably pretty decent considering the cpu it's paired to. I'm surprised NFS Carbon ran well though. Even on my 6770M it runs, well, fine I guess, but surely not perfectly. That 6770M was somewhat high-end for a laptop only two years before your A6 was introduced. I'm running it at 1920x1200 at medium to high settings though, with some mods to make the game a bit more modern. Guess I can't complain
Consider this as a humble New Year gift!
Awesome video as always and keep them coming! Also i would like to recommend a couple of extra games for the next benchmark rounds that maybe would be a bit interesting those are Deep Rock Galactic, Rust and The Finals.
Happy new year Iceberg!
did I hear rock and stone!?
bro donated 1usd
@@beansrreal that's why i said a humble gift
@@raellgeramiebalagbis9384 if you don't rock and stone you ain't coming home
Funny how you got pinned for a UKP 0.49 donation🤣🤣
You're Argentinian, not Ethiopian. That's not a humble donation, it is a troll.
Ever since my friend introduced me to the used market I’ve been addicted to buying tech for me and my friends. My rig would usually cost 3000 but cost me 1600. Good vid, Iceberg, happy new year!
You and me both. I just left a comment above about that very topic. CZcams removed it, which is strange because I did not say anything bad at all... lol
Good video. Remember to have fun with whatever hardware you have, there are no doubt many games that you've never played that will work on the older hardware you have. I was recently at a family rural vacation property when the weather was very bad outside. I played Batman: Arkham Asylum on a SFF pc that has an i5 2500s and 720gt. Around 10yr old hardware, I turned the settings down and overclocked the card a little and had a lot of fun.
hell yeah. I think I'm actually having more fun replaying older games on my i5-6300 ThinkPad (with no discrete graphics!) than playing fresh releases on my main rig. Part of the fun comes from actually running the games on (relatively) weaker hardware.
Incompatibility of old games is very annoying. When i changed pc, i couldn't play half of my retro shooters, like Unreal Tournament, Gore, Soldier of Fortune etc. they just wouldn't run on the new machine 😢
You're such a gifted writer and presenter. And you somehow managed to wrestle over a decade's worth of hardware down to about 42ish minutes, keep it entertaining, keep it informative, and of high quality. Perhaps wrestle is the wrong term, as it's probably more some type of verbal judo you're using.
Anyway, great job!
What a way to start 2024. Appreciate these informative videos. They help a lot in understanding and figuring out what could be considered the "minimum" for entry level budget gaming. Thanks for doing some honest work. Cheers!!
Thank you for the video mate. If you are looking for, Cheap CPU/Ram upgrades for your system look into old workstations. I needed a i7 and ram for my 2X gen 6/7 Intel. As you stated, $300+ in used parts for both systems. Bought 2 i7 32GB Ram w/SSD Dell workstations. for $150 each & Swapped parts. Resold the dells for $75 each. For $150 I upgraded 2 systems from Pent Duel core 8GB Ram Boot Hard Drive, to i7 32GB Boot Nvme SSDs! You just need to know where and how to hunt for deals! Take it Easy
Carrots and sticks may brake your bones but 2nd hand gpu's and cpu's excite me.
In yesterday's morning i picked up a used 12G RTX 3060 for 225 euro, bit overpaid but the seller delivered the gpu to me, so its a fair deal to me.
Few years ago i was with a GT710, then to an RX560, and now moving up from a 3G 1060. The 1060 will go down to my little brother's pc, i got him the pc in december, got a monitor and a new mouse too, and next time i arrive back home, he too will have a potent pc. Enough to play fortnite, cod zombies and some other games together.
Finally we both will have gaming pcs, not the best, but we had to play the same xbox 360 for 7 years straight.
Thats a pretty good deal
Bless you bud
Good god, and the alleged "1060" 3gb eas the SECOND upgrade even, protip the 3gb isn't the same as 1060 6gb it's actually cut down in the same way their newer bullshit is called something better than it is, 3040? 4040? I forget anyway, at that point you'd be better off just getting a 6600xt, or a used 5700xt. Or 1080ti. It's really not much money at all, hell you could work for Best Buy or Walmart or something and make enough to afford a used 5700XT in a day or two's wages which is amazing.
@@drek9k2 I'm aware of the better value that AMD cards offer, I did have 6600XT as my possible alternative, but after the RX560 I did not want another AMD card, it was crashing WAY too much for me. Either my system did not like it or I had a bad sample of it. Regardless I am happy with my 3060, performance is great, fits well in my small case too. I chose it just purely by preference. I was also aware of the 3G 1060 being a cut down of the 6G model, it was back in the "Scalper pandemic" and simply wanted to get rid of the 560 ASAP. All is good now B)
I just bought a Vega 56, specifically the Powercolor Vega 56 Nano version and one of my deciding factor is watching your Vega 56 retrospective. The end of mining craze really dropped the price hard and fortunately mine is only used for gaming.
In my experience my Vega 56 is still a viable 1080p budget option considering I got it for $70. Mine has only the 8 pin though which limits the power draw to a mere 150W which surprisingly doesn't really hurt the card that much aside from some mediocre overclocking result. I upgraded it from an RX 570 and I think while my new card might not get the proper support, the modded driver might still help the card to be usable for years to come.
That's why I love amd you can always count on the community
Very nice! I upgraded in a very similar way. I needed a GPU for a project and was interested in Vega because of its architecture. So I replaced my RX 580 Strix with a Vega 64 Nitro+ for 100 bucks. About 50% faster, really shines with undervolting. Stock 240w, around 950mV and 1600MHz and 1100MHz HBM 130-170w in games,
If you haven't tried it recently then you should really give Linux gaming a try. GCN GPUs (even GCN 1) are still officially fully supported by the open source AMDGPU drivers and given the track record of support for older hardware on Linux that's unlikely to change any time soon. Gaming on Linux has improved massively over the past few years in large part thanks to Valve's Proton compatibility layer which makes it possible to run many Windows-only games by just clicking the play button in the Steam client.
i got a used RX 580 2048 (a china OC'd RX 570) back covid., cahnged my perspective towards used hardware, not on used storage or PSU ofc lol.
@@electricindigoball1244 I was about to comment this. The driver support issue only applies to Windows, Linux provides support to graphics cards for effectively indefinitely. My HD 7950 was recieving MESA updates when I was still using it a few months ago, until its 3GB VRAM became completely insufficient and I copped a $50 RX580 8GB.
It was also significantly faster than when I used it on Windows, thanks to both the drivers being excellent and Linux's super low overhead, despite running under wine/proton.
Iceberg super cool video. This was a creative way to start 2024!
I’ve watched your content through 2023 and find it super relevant for my use case, being a non-top tier hardware user. Plenty of deals to be had on the used market.
This has become one of my favourite tech channels on CZcams. The sheer consistency in quality of uploads is a rare thing that makes Iceberg Tech a gem. Keep at it bro :)
One hell of a video! Great and useful info as always, much appreciated. You have outdone yourself yet again Sir ❤
The quality of these videos are just outstanding… it’s been a few years since I’ve subbed… and just better and better!
Happy new year, I hope this year your channel explodes in popularity. The quality of your content deserves it.
Absolutely needed that primer at the start of the video, can't say I'm well-versed in computer tech despite following the channel (2017 laptop 'gamer') so that bit at the start was welcome
Many happy returns for 2024!
What an absolutely fantastic and informative video! Thank you for all your hardwork. I know this video is going to help so many people tremendously. Your depth of knowledge, and easy to understand video format is perfect for those who are feeling lost in the used market, and I can't wait to see what 2024 has in store for your channel buddy! Cheers!
Amazing video and roundup !
Happy New Year - first tech vid I watched this year. Cheers 👍
Excellent content and current landscape summary! Keep up the great work and happy New year!
As always, phenomenal video. Got stoked to see a 45 minute long video by you, today out of all days because I needed something to focus on while dealing with a stomach ache and I forgot I wasn't feeling well for a while, so thank you! lol!
Epic way to start the year. Fantastic look over at where we are and exceptionally helpful.
This video is a godsend. Amazing work wrapping it up in as little time as you did. I will have to make some adjustments for my local market of course but now when people ask me to build them a a PC I have a much more focused search for parts.
Top notch quality to cap off 2023 / bring us into the new year as expected.
It must be my lucky day!
Thank you again for all your efforts and hard work!
This is an amazing video! Thank you for all of this information!
An incredible amount of info this video - outstanding work.
I like the lengthy in-depth vids once in a while. Great job Iceberg!
Great way to start the year. Good round up of whats good to buy. Hope you'l have a great year to come. Happy New Year!🎉🎉🎉
Really like the way you've explained recent hardware in the used market - a brilliant video for those who aren't particularly versed in the PC hardware. Personally I'd draw the line at Turing and RDNA1 (5700xt) for GPUs and 2nd gen 2600x /8700k if you want a decent experience for this gen's games . Playing older games can really help in terms of needing older hardware.
Fantastic round-up! Happy 2024 Iceberg!
Happy new year🎉 this year is going to be better
Absolutely amazing overview of the used graphics card market for 2024. I very much appreciate this incredibly well done video man. I look forward to seeing an update to this video in 2025. :)
This was an awesome video -- you did a great job of breaking it down in a simple manner and differentiating between the different generations and series. Manufacturers need to start sending you new production stuff to review, you make some great content. Thanks!
Enjoyed every minute, both entertaining and educational for a PC casual like myself.
Superb video, thanks!
Thank you so much for putting this all together. I am looking at building a used parts PC to play older games and this helped immensely
Good overall round up,good talk & video..! Subbed!
Thank you for putting in the time for this excellent video history.
Solid work mate - subscribed!
What a way to celebrate new year. Thank you, with all my love.
Gratz on the 50k subs :D
Thanks 😁
Fantastic video, very useful, very professional. Thanks Sir.
Great explaining of the features, Good Job👍
Fun fact: old graphics cards are better supported on Linux, since graphics drivers are basically never removed.
My Terascale 3 iGPU still works with the latest drivers. Even GCN 4 (RX 4xx and RX 5xx) is basically guaranteed to stay supproted for at least the next decade, and so will Turing GPUs with the new nvidia open source driver
This is an awesome video! I love your content, keep up the good work!
I totally appreciate this deep dive. As a hobbyist buyer/builder/flipper this information and your views are invaluable. Thanks!
Nice Guide, thank you!
Happy new year,sir!🎉
Great video man ! Happy new year
Amazing video, so informative!
Monster of a video. Subbed, just to show respect.
Great trip down the memory lane, at the same time catchup material for an aging dad who is now building pc for his son.
This is some incredible content. Thank you!
Great video thanks for putting in th time and effort to make it.
You really deserve more! You're the best pc guy i know for older hardware, and i hope u will finally get recognized in this new year. Your content and quality of it are insanity high and inspiring. When i first discovered this channel, i thought that it was good, but now I think that i found a gem! Maybe unpolished one, but a pretty valuable one!
LETS GO 1060 GANG STILL RUNNING STRONG
No
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Lol
true
I was running a 1070 till literally 2 days ago 😭😂
2024 started like 12 hours ago🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great info that others won't give.
Take my sub
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This was an excellent video. Incredibly well written and researched. Your presentation was great as well. I wish more channels would do this kind of breakdown on the used market, including super old hardware that isn't officially supported anymore. For people looking to do new or overhauled builds in like the $400-$600 range I wonder if something like the Steam Deck, Z1 Extreme Ally, or Legion Go would be a viable alternative; unless they needed a desktop system for one reason or another. Used non-OLED Decks have seen a bit of a price drop and you can find used 512GB Legion Gos under $600. For primary gaming purposes, I'd imagine those handhelds would offer better over-all performance than a lot of the older GPU options and their CPUs aren't that weak either. This is especially true for the models using the Z1 Extreme.
Thank you for this very dense, useful, and long form video. Subbed!
Educational as usual 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you for this type of content. Bought 1080 TI for 160$ recently, because saw your video about it. I was considering Rx 5700, before saw your content and video about 1080 TI .
Great video! informative and useful information and opinions!
This is one of the best tech videos I have ever seen. Thank you for the work you put into them, you do a phenomenal job!
Very informative video! Id like to add that ive seen the rdna 2 locally go for good prices. Also had a comment on ur q&a about starting a channel like urs, and im proud to say i got an 6700 xt for benchmarks, and just need to get the courage
In depth explanation, good recommendations, no fanboying.
Here's my sub.
Great video! I had this on while doing the ironing and almost burned my house down only once. Just to say it was very entertaining and well put together!
once again a great video thanks for such informative long videos
I don't comment often but holy sh*t indeed... thank you for your service sir! What an amazing video! Hats off to you.
what a great video, I thoroughly enjoyed this longer video format. While its not as viable or possible most of the time as you tend to review a single product per video, it might be nice to have the casually long video on the occasion.
Also, happy new years! Here's hoping that 2024 is a much better year for PC Enthusiasts and the market!
Really enjoyed the hardware history and alternative buying guide for hardware; taking us all down the yellow brick road!
You are one of my favorite PC retro review CZcamsrs.
Keep up the great work and thank you for all of your work on reviewing old tech in new context.
built my gf a budget pc.
R5 1600, 16gb ddr4, gtx 980, 512gb ssd, older 700w psu. All that for like 130€ and the coolest thing is the clear upgrade path
Last gpu I bought new was the HD 4870, wich I was very happy with.
Since then I got lucky with every used pc part and sometimes I made money out of it when selling.
Incredible video mate. Hope you get parts sent for review soon. 60k subs is a crime for this kind of content. Keep working it will come.
Love my 7900 XT.
She'll be in my system for a few years to come. AMD is awesome for long system life :)
Loved this video!
50K subs, nice man. The channel is finally being seen
Happy new year!
Thanks for the compilation
Got a GTX 960 4GB for $45 at beginning of December! XP god machine/Basic Vulkan Linux workhorse, you have arrived.
To kill the insane coil whine in old title menus (looking at you, Halo CE) and improve stability, I cut my i7-2600 frequency to 1600MHz and cut down on cores as needed. To anyone doing the same - cap your frame rates. There’s no need to have a 2000fps menu, especially with old hardware.
I want a 4GB 960 so badly.
You can't beat native and power-efficient analog output and 240p support for CRT displays.
Not to mention overhead for playing some modern games up to 720p/1080p optimized settings.
Im addicted to the used market. Buy, build, resell. Rinse and repeat. I loved testing older hardware and finding new uses for it. I modded a bunch of Tesla cards and turned them into Titans and just gave them away to people who did not have a GPU during the scam-demic.
What a great guide to ring in the new year Iceberg! Appreciate you pumping that out to the masses for am certain that others would be just as appreciative of your efforts. Thank you very much.
Will be sticking with AMDs 5000 series and NVidia's 30 series GPUs for as long as it allows and remains viable. The VRAM shortcomings can and may rear its ugly head especially on even 3080 10GB versions as time elapses but users will compromise with quality settings if needbe.
Gs.
(Btw, if you wanna possibly get samples from companies just putting a business email on the channel is an easy thing to do. You could reach out specifically to companies, but that takes a long time and I don’t do it either. Hope this helps my dude)
Thanks bud
Yeah, I get some companies emailing me, mostly mini PCs so far (as well as the usual VPNs, USB chargers and crypto scams I assume we all get hounded by)
I actually had an email from one of the salvage GPU brands, but I didn't like their terms. I think they basically wanted me to make an ad.
very good video, well done.
Great video!
Happy New Year Good Sir!
You too, Joe!
Glad to have an IcebergTech video on the first day of a new year. Hope the GPU market will be kinder this year.
Bought both a 3060ti and 3080ti (used) of marketplace. Both are holding well, serving in my home and work rigs to this day for video editing/gaming. The 3060ti was bought during the highest point of the Cryptoboom and the 3080ti during the onset of the AI boom so they weren't cheap. Both were tested in front of me with the seller though so I was pretty much convinced. I run my 4K TV off my 3060ti and 5900x rig with 64GB DDR4 and I couldn't be happier (Watching this video off it right now as I type this).
First time i ever enjoyed a tech video over 10 mins, great video and keep up the good work
I bought a used 7600x (£185), B650 Tomahawk Wifi (£106) and Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR5 CL30 (£103) totalling about £395. All of them advertised as opened, unused/used once. I was extremely happy with my purchases, especially considering brand new would cost around £530.
I don't mind buying brand new, and usually do, but I made an informed decision to try this out for the first time just to see if it's worth it - I have no regrets and will definitely explore used again in the future.
It just goes to show that if money is an object, like it is for most people, then you can go down this path and if you want to buy more expensive brand new components, you can sacrifice on others by going used.
Happy new year Ice
Same to you!
Nice Video mate