The Plane That Ran Out Of Fuel With Plenty Of Fuel Onboard | Air Tahoma Flight 185
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This is the story of Air Tahoma flight 185. Flight 185 was a cargo plane carrying packages for DHL from Memphis Tennessee to Cincinnati Northern Kentucky international airport. On the 13th of august 2004 they were flying a convair 580, The convair 580 was an airplane from the 1950s and I was genuinely surprised to find out that Convair 580s were in service at least till 2019 with Air Chatham in New zealand.
On todays flight they were making a round trip between Memphis and Northern Kentucky international airport, the copilot was the pilot flying and the captain was the pilot monitoring. They departed Memphis at about 11:29 pm, the climb and cruise portions of the flight were uneventful.
We join the crew at 17 minutes past midnight, the crew talk, The captain says that he's going to balance out the fuel as he adjusts the planes fuel systems. They talk about the weight and balance of the plane, its 12:30 am the co pilot says “Weird”, the captain is busy with weight and balance paperwork and doesn't respond.
At 12:38 am the co pilot says “Something's messed up with this thing” the co pilot was referring to the plane's control wheel. He adds “Feels like I need a lot of force. It is pushing to the right for some reason. I don’t know why...I don’t know what's going on.” The captain does not respond. 12:43 am they were getting close to Cincinnati northern Kentucky international airport, they were at 4000 feet and the captains on the radio with Approach control, He says that they had the runway in sight. The controller cleared flight 185 for a visual approach onto runway 36R the controller added “Keep your speed up”, the captain acknowledged, The co pilot says ““What in the world is going on with this plane? “Sucker is acting so funny.” The captain reassures the first officer saying that they'd do a full control check once on the ground. The approach controller then handed them off to the tower controller.
The captain asks for their landing clearance from the tower controller and they are cleared in for runway 36R, as the plane passed through 3200 feet the speed of the plane began to fall. The first officer sounds the alarm again “I’m telling you, what is wrong with this plane? it is really funny. I got something all messed up here.” The captain says that they have an imbalance as he left the crossfeed open. The co pilot says “Were gonna flame out” , the captain asks the copilot to keep the power on. At 12:46 am the co pilot says “We’re losing power” Both their engines had flamed out, the plane began descending at about 900 fpm. The captain contacts ATC to let them know that they’re having issues, the controller asks if they needed emergency equipment at the runway the captain responds with “Nope”, no one ever heard from Air tahoma flight 185 ever again. Flight 185 had crashed 1.2 miles short of runway 36R. The co pilot was killed in the crash the captain survived.
If you’re a pilot or if you’re familiar with aviation in general you probably have a rough idea as to what happened, let's take a closer look to see what actually happened.
The investigators look at the plane, The plane was built in 1953 and had undergone several overhauls, with such an old plane they had to look at mechanical issues, but their search turned up nothing the plane was airworthy. The wreckage showed no signs of structural failure and they worked out that the cargo had not shifted during their landing attempt. The weather was not a factor and the plane had more than enough fuel to make it and then some. The investigators look at the crew next. - Věda a technologie
As a flight engineer there are two things that will kill me. The one in the left seat and the one in right seat.
And you will save yourself and the plane, sir.
If unsure, you can always cut the fuel while still on ground.
In a crash, you're about half a second from the minds of your pilots, that's why you're trained, I hope, to back up your pilots. Your pilots are trying to kill you. It's your job not to let them.
@@KaizerKilborn I say the same thing about surgeons and anesthesiologists. I say the surgeon is literally stabbing the patient and making him bleed. The anesthesiologist is fighting to keep him alive.
Then, why are you still alive?
"Somethings wrong"
"No there isn't"
"Yes there is, I can feel it"
"No, there isn't"
"We're flaming out!"
"I left the crossfeed open"
"WHY?!"
"Eh, we're fine"
"..."
And the idiot survived for obvious reasons.
Hey! I found this profile picture first!
George Ullrich it’s a shitty pfp anyway
Crossfeeding (unnoticed) caused an airliner to crash in the middle of a British town in 1967. No-one on the ground was killed but those who were (in the plane) were trapped and mostly burned to death when escaping fuel ignited. The plane's engines were suddenly starved of fuel after 'creep' in the flight-engineer's fuel-control knobs caused fuel to be pumped away from where it should have been.
@@Akotski-ys9rr u
When you're so dense you survive the crash you caused
What's the sense of having a co-pilot if the pilot doesn't respond and/or listen to the co-pilot's concerns. Either ego or incompetence seems to play out in all these accidents.
See 'Tenerife/1977' for more on that point.
Yes, I would have expected better CRM in 2004.
It didn't sound like ego in this case. It was stressful preoccupation due to unpreparedness.
Yeah, sad.
@@HelloKittyFanMan. Then it falls firmly under incompetence.
@@thefreedomguyuk: Yeah, sounds about right.
That captain has to live with this now forever.
Good. He got someone killed
I was going to say the same thing when I saw your reply that the captain has to live with this... I wouldn't wish that kind of guilt on anybody
And the other guy is dead forever.
No way he'll live forever 😂
Travis Thompson . The incompetence of the a Captain is unforgivable.
Copilot: *Literally on fire*
Captain: You’re fine
We can get a band aid when we land
True but the copilot expressed himself very poorly until the shit really hit the fan. It was like listening to a construction worker in an aviation cockpit environment.
My wife and I were asleep in our upstairs bedroom when this plane came over our house about a mile before the crash. It was loud enough to wake us both up. We both talked about how low it must have been before going back to sleep, but we found out the next day what happened. It was terribly sad. Our house was three miles due south of runway 36C, and we were used to the sound of planes flying over. Enjoyed it, normally. This incident changed things a bit. I never thought about a plane crashing into our home before then.
That must be scary, sir. I pray, that no plane ever comes down around you and your family. Keep safe, sir.
House must be cheap
@@B3Band oh look everyone an edgelord!
theres an airport near my childhood home, seen one crash and heard about 3 total. Even visited the wreck of one about 10 years after it happened and there was still wreckage in the woods and caution tape on one side. The crash I saw was minor and the pilot survived. Was a banner plane. They dive to grab their banners, its fun to watch. Had a TV in front of the window facing the airport. Remember seeing the banner plane dive behind the TV and...it didn't come out on the other side! It was nose down in the dirt and firetrucks were already speeding over to it. Saw the pilot jump out so i think everyone was ok. The third crash was exactly what you're afraid of...plane crashed after take off. Hit a trailer in the trailer park near the airport. Killed some old guy who lived alone. Also a helicopter nearly hit my house. Was a military helicopter with a training pilot. Was SUPER windy out that day. I was in the same room I mentioned watching TV and everything starts shaking, pictures fall off the walls, I hear THUMPTHUMPTHUMPTHUMP and I look out the window a fucking HELICOPTER comes out of NOWHERE flying sideways 20ft over my house. 30-40 mph gusts that day and one had caught them while they were coming in to land and nearly pushed them into the tree in my back yard. I could SEE the pilot trying to correct they were so close.
@@sierrasanders1048 Holy cripes.That helicopter incident sounds scary.I woulda moved out of that home after that incident.
Copilot: "Something's wrong"
"Eh, it doesn't matter. Only I'm gonna survive this crash anyway"
ATC: "Do you need emergency equipment at the aurport?"
"Nah, we're not landing there anyway."
Captain kept it cool. And he was right too.
@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ You are mixing withholding information up with being cool.
@@vulc1 Kind of like his handle.
Hahahaha gold
any sign of distress must be positively responded to in the air. he killed the first officer due to ignorance.
arrogance, not ignorance.
dodgeplow I’d say a bit of both arrogance and ignorance.
"Arrogance will bring your downfall" has never been more literal.
Distress, positive response?! Wtf does that mean? You are talking about an emotion. How the fuck does that have anything to do with anything? go cry about it
Caption: "They do a full control check once on the ground."
Unfortunately, it was ultimately done by the NTSB.
I remember a lesson I learned while working EMS in South Carolina:
No matter how many Paramedics or Intermediates you have assigned, EVERY Unit that leaves for a call MUST have at least one EMT on board because sometimes the Paramedics get so involved in diagnosing and treating the patient, they forget that they have to get the patient to the emergency room alive.
No idea what the difference is and I don't think there is one and I think you are dumb.
@@cjr1881 Dumb means one who is unable to speak. I think stupid was the word you wanted to use. Pretty stupid of you to get those mixed up. *IRONY*
@@cjr1881 As someone who also works in EMS, what they said was pretty much complete nonsense.
Co-pilot: "We've lost both engines! The controls are weird! I'm not sure we're gonna make it!"
ATC: "Do you need emergency equipment ready to go?"
Captain: "Nope, everything's fine."
*plane crashes*
he doesnt say everything is fine, he keeps it very professional. he knows he doesnt need emergency crew at the airfield so he just says nope.
@@6or7breadsticks He knew he wouldn't need emergency crew at the airfield because he wasn't going to make it to the airfield!
Jarrett Fayer
Im no pilot, but I would think if you were making an emergency landing with both engines offline, it would be a good idea to have emergency services on the scene to deal with a possible crash.
@@pgtv14 On the scene? What's he supposed to do, calculate exactly where he's gonna crash and notify ATC where to send the coroner? Use your brain!!!
@@B3Band Well, when you're descending at a rapid pace then I'm sure you can figure out where you may possibly crash. Also, ATC would have kept watch and rapidly approached the crash site.
My dad always hated to fly. I asked him why once and he stated he never trusted anyone involved in keeping the thing in the air. He was a former B47 crew chief for many years. Hmmm.
DONALD OLIN Maintinence guys are generally the most afraid to fly. They know how many systems can go into this stuff and how things can fail. They just don’t realize how most of these problems are pretty easily dealt with.
@@littleferrhis That is some of the worst nonsense I've ever heard. Show the guys some respect.
@@littleferrhis Yes, on ground, but when you high up in the air, how do you fix a minor inside the running, outboard engine?
And yet flying is safer than driving. Was your dad afraid of driving too?
@@thefreedomguyuk Well what else do you want me to say? That pilots don't know what they are doing and airliners crash and burn every day because of it, which is easily proven wrong by crash statistics? Lots of planes have problems, but most are quickly noticed by the crew, and determined to be a major or minor priority, and if its a major issue they land safely and get it fixed rather quickly. As a pilot myself I've had minor issues before, which I or whoever is flying with me have caught, and fix.
This isn't to say we don't come off with impression that OP's Dad is saying. Whenever a plane comes into maintenance unexpectedly, 9 times out of 10 the only reason its there is because a pilot broke it. For example having to add new tires because the pilots made a hard landing, or putting in new spark plugs because the pilots wouldn't lean a mixture. That's an easy way to not trust pilots abilities. Of course though most pilots don't generally do this, except for rare occasions where they may miss a checklist item or something. There's reasons maintenance doesn't trust us, but the crash statistics speak to the fact that we do know what we are doing.
This was a big deal in my community when it happened. My Dad was a mechanic for Delta at the time, he was actually awaiting a flight for some regular maintenance at CVG when this plane crashed. The First Responders said they found the Captain sitting on a bench with his hands covering his face in despair.
Also as a Northern Kentuckian thank you for using CVG's full name and once calling it "Northern Kentucky International Airport" I really enjoyed that.
I don’t know why but this comment really brings into perspective the human toll of an accident. Imagine being that captain to sit among the wreckage of the plane that you had been commanding just minutes before. Poor guy
What happened to the captain? Did they prosecute him or anything?
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation yeah... Because on the one hand, his actions led to the accident, but on the other hand, I guarantee he's never making that mistake again if he decides to keep flying. I feel bad for the guy because that situation is just incredibly traumatic
@@madeliner1682 he can keep flying? What about his license?
@@madeliner1682 His license most likely get revoked anyway
The 580s themselves were not in use from the 50s but were Convair 340s and 440s that were. The earlier models were converted to 580s with the addition of the Allison turboprop engines
Just found this channel and seems like another great aviation channel... I never understood how pilots shrug off warning signs I mean if it happens in a car you can coast to the shoulder but in a plane you coast into the morgue..
Complacency...
And still even in a car you try to figure out what happened before doing anything non safety relevant
c182SkylaneRG they’re all human after all
At terminal.velocity
often, there's not enough pieces for even that...
sorry to be morbid.
You do a great job and I noticed 2 of the landing planes you showed "greased' their landings - no smoke from the tires. Both were very heavy 747s. Imagine the pilot's skill to do that.
That’s the first time I’ve heard the term greased haha we usually say buttered it. Thanks for watching :)
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
As a aircraft engineer here in Australia greased or greaser is a common term we use around here.
@@acbulgin2 Don't be too gentle, you'll wreck the tyres! (-;
@@acbulgin2 I know it's unfair to judge pilots by their landings, but I always try to compliment the pilots as I leave when I can tell that they did a decent job of landing the plane with a bit of a crosswind component.
i heard the 747s were easier to fly than lighter planes.
atc = do you need rescue team on ground?
pilot seeing the ground commimg: nope
Sure someone has said this already, but the DC3 was designed in 1935 (? I think) and is _still_ in service in some places - 20 years older than the 50s!
I would have liked to know about any disciplinary or legal measures for negligence against that captain. You should really try to include these details in these videos.
I agree, it gives the story a closure.
agreed
Lack of Crew Resource Management which lead to cascading errors culminating in loss of life and aircraft. Good Video
@Michael Parker CRM is overrated in such an aircraft, and with a cockpit crew of two. But not being distracted and negligent goes a long way towards not running the plane into the ground.
@@SillyPuddy2012: Disagree with your first statement, but agree with your second.
“Captain, you’ve been shot in the chest”
“It’s probably nothing”
That 747 landing at 1:56 is the smoothest I’ve ever seen
The passengers never knew they were on the ground till they opened the door at the gate!
You can't get a softer landing than that!
Butter
that is a beautiful landing
There were a lot of pretty smooth landings in this video, but that 747 was so gentle, like it was weightless
Retired CVG police officer here, I was working the night if this incident and was first on the scene. The images of the copilot will forever haunt me.
As someone with an unhealthy fear of flying, I don't know why I am obessed with these plane crash channels. I subscribe to 3 or 4 other ones that are well done but this is the first channel I've found that has sound of something more than realistic flight sounds. I enjoyed having a narrator for a change which makes the videos much easier to completely understand what is happening. Subscribing now and planning to scan for the same crash videos that are on "the flight channel" and "Joshua Ibay" and watch them from a fresh view with a narrator.
When I was a kid I was scared of flying, like petrified of flying and then I started watching air crash investigation in the 4th grade or something and that show showed me how improbable a plane crash is. Ironically a show about planets crashing cured me of my fear of flying. Also if you’re out to watch a few of my videos, I recommend eastern airlines 855, delta airlines 1080 and alrosa airlines crash. Stories of great pilots
Mini Air Crash Investigation
Yeah same here!
Check out the VASAviation channel for radar animations of near misses, emergency landings, etc... The professionalism of all involved will impress you (most of the time, anyway), as will how everyone checks and watches out for each other's mistakes. The pilots usually sound less nervous than ATC when emergencies are declared, perhaps because the pilots are in control and busy running checklists.
I've never had the opportunity to get on a plane in my life yet, but I don't have any issue with the idea because I travel in cars all the time.
Like, the average pilot is five hundred times more competent than the average driver. Planes are mechanically checked before every flight. Planes have a million more safety features than cars. Pilots also have to go through security too, so the chances of having a drink/high/impaired pilot are astronomically low. Even if they are, there's a copilot that can step in. The amount of planes in any given area is way less than the amount of cars in any given area, so there's physically less stuff they could possibly crash into. And, even if there ends up being an issue, it's probably going to be solved by the pilots or air traffic control asap.
As owner and director of a fear-of-flying program in Houston I would thoroughly advise u NOT to watch/subscribe to airplane crash channels.
Everybody's going to carry on like normal and not mention the giant mowing his front lawn at 0:35.....
Lol
He's just vibing
LMAO
LMAO
LMAO
Much appreciate that you voiced this!! I've been watching through various plane videos and it really makes a difference compared to just reading the text on screen - text on screen versions are still good & important esp for hard of hearing of course - but i like being able to look away while listening and not have to worry about catching all the words!
Woooohooo Air Chathams got a mention. I've flown the Air Chathams Convair 580 many time's over my life.
Just a small point, crossfeed is to supply fuel to both engines from the same tank, not to transfer fuel from one tank to the other. Both engines were burning the fuel from one tank and not using the fuel on the other tank this is what caused the fuel starvation. Edit: Looked at the schematic, the video is absolutely correct.
Fuel pumps are turbine type, so if pump is off and corresponding tank valve remain open, fuel may be pushed back to tank - as explained on video.
In this example crew was misused crossfeed system of course. This system is primarily designed for equalization fuel flow between engines or for feeding one engine in case of single engine failure.
@@adamw.8579 Thanks for the info 👍. While I haven't studied this particular aircraft's systems, crossfeed specifically refers to feeding both engines from one tank or for balancing by burning (1 or both engines) from just one tank. Normally fuel systems have non-return valves specifically there to avoid the counter flow of fuel back into the tank.
@@frank_av8tor That is in new constructions, pumps have corresponding one way valves. But in older ones all things was manually selected.
@@adamw.8579 Just looked at the schematic. You are absolutely correct! Thanks! 👍
you mean to tell me, they both could have looked down at the switch and changed it to the tank that was full, WTF!
I lived near CVG at the time and I remember hearing a plane flying by that night through an open window that was sputtering like mad.
Im an aircraft mechanic, and my employer owms the type certificate for the Convair 580. We have completed a stretch modification to stretch the fuselage 20 feet, allowing for more cargo space.
That stretch modification makes it called a 5800, right? Pretty cool!
Very interesting and well presented. I find these analyses very informative and always a lesson to be learned from the mistakes people are prone to make due to whatever reason. Hopefully we are helped by knowledge gained. Always sad for the loss of life.
Co-pilot: **Frantic Screaming**
Captain: 😒
Awesome job, as always.
Well done. Thanks. The tech explanation was superb.
Beautiful livery on that plane, such a shame it had to end its days in pieces on the ground under those circumstances. You have to feel for the first officer and the fact that the surviving captain probably never worked in that industry again and has to live with the consequences of his mistakes.
Thank you for explaining this crash I saw this on another aircraft Channel but didn't explain why this thing happened the way you explain things so clearly is a real asset keep the videos coming good job sir
Once again, a great job. For what it's worth, and as a retired aviation professional, i appreciate what you're doing here.
I've flown on the Air Chathams Convairs lots of times! First time I was horrified to be on such an old aircraft, now I quite enjoy it - just make sure I wear earplugs and have warm clothing!
But you weren't horrified to fly into all of those ancient airports and cities?
Seems just like with drunk drivers.....in a round a bout way.....the driver at fault most often walks away without a scratch, while the innocent driver in the other car dies in the wreck......Here the crash was the Pilots fault and he survives....but the co-pilot begging for his attention and for help with the plane....dies in the crash.....
yeah that shitheel captain should have been charged with criminal negligence or something, and hopefully sued by the co-pilot's family. What a piece of shit.
@@frankfrimperton8266 tunnel vision, sounds like the cap was really overworked here...
its more a case of CRM and bad procedures, I do not think this captain was so insane as to ignore such clearly dire warnings from his co, he was so task saturated, I do not think he even heard any of what he was being told. (could the first officer manage himself with the instrument scan..? probably not, but it is as much the carriers fault as the captain's here I think... the pace of overwork, and the deferred maintenance of the boost pump, had too much say in this)
I was about to post the same thing. My aunt died at 16 when she was riding with a drunk driver and was thrown out during the wreck. Of course the drunk driver survived and many years later caused another drunk driving related wreck.
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 The captain was overworked because he didn't do his work before he left, so he took it on the plane and couldn't get the numbers to work out. (his fault) should not have left with that not done. also was so tied up into his paperwork that again should've been done before that he missed the instruments so there was no "pilot monitoring" the co-pilot was flying the plane alone basically. it would be like coming to school without your homework done then complaining you missed what was on the test because you were doing your homework.
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 Maybe
But one thing still stands out: focus on how it should work while landing and taking-off. This is most basic common sense on aviation, yet the captain didn't comply, like landing isn't a big deal compare to calculation (which is shouldn't a big deal espescially when the aircraft literally would landing anyways)
I love your vids. Keep up the good work my man.
Thanks for the support!
Thanks, I love your videos, you have a soothing voice .
What an incredible and informative video!
We still use the 580s and 5800s (stretched version)
Thank YOU
Another great episode my friend.
Thanks for all your support over the weeks and months
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
No problem man, keep up the great work.
Great video mate
Thanks for the support!
Basically Schrödinger’s fuel tank, right?
I love the videos you make ^^
You made it to 1000 subscribers!!! Congrats my friend
He did!
Man, what a time to be alive.
Hope 10K and 100K come easier.
Thanks a ton!
Nice video!
In 1967 an 'Argonaut' airliner crashed in the middle of a large British town after fuel was pumped away from the Merlin (sic) engines because of a tendency on the aircraft-type for the fuel-system control levers to 'creep' out of position during flight, perhaps through vibration effects. The flight-engineer didn't pick up on this and the aircraft suddenly lost power, pancaking on a patch of waste ground, killing no-one on the ground but burning alive most of the trapped passengers (returning holidaymakers: some vacation ). The plane was just minutes away from touching down at a local airport.
Lmao I work for a cargo company in Alaska and we still fly planes from the 40s
Captain was right. Pilot while in air, talk on ground.
The FO who kept running his mouth got his worth.
the time to diagnose problems like this is while in the air. That is why there are two pilots. One to pilot the plane, the other to monitor the instruments and troubleshoot problems.
From approach to landing . Three words....FLY THE PLANE!
that is great advice. (i’m not being sarcastic, btw.)
but in this case, the plane was literally unflyable. even if the co-pilot could wrestle it back onto the flight path, once the engines stopped, both of them together probably weren’t strong enough to
level the wings.
the convair you spoke of from chattam airlines is still in use today, shes parked up usually next to the DHL hangars at NZAA
Up here at yyj there was a convair 580 cargo flight, noliner is the operator I believe, all of 2019. I haven't seen it lately but haven't been around due to covid
@7:05 "Air Tahoma strictly prohibits the fuel transfer from one tank to another on the ground or in the air."
So why do they have a fuel transfer valve? When are they allowed to transfer fuel?
Air Tahoma does allow fuel transfers via cross feed should the situation arise underwater.
@@watchingsometube and in space!
It's a crossfeed to allow both engines to run from the same tank. The other tank should however be shut off when crossfeed is being used, otherwise fuel may flow from one tank to the other (i.e. fuel transfer) and that's the thing that was prohibited.
Doesn't make sense. You aren't just going to fly around with an imbalance and ignore the aircraft systems put there out of need.
A friend of mine did the same thing on a trip from Burbank to Modesto, CA. They lost both engine about two miles out. They made a landing in a farmers field. No one was hurt.
Okay on a separate note, that KLM 747 at 1:55 had the most buttery landing I've ever seen.
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Thanks a ton :)
I like the narrator's voice, and reading.
These types of accidents make me FURIOUS. The captain, the one who's meant to be experienced, the one who's meant to be looked up to by the F-O, and the one who crashed the plane due to negligence. And whenever its one of these incidents, the captain always lives and the F-O, who is almost always blameless, dies.
It's in the union contract...
Yeah I see the New Zealand based convair 580 from time to time at feildair engineering in Palmerston North. Feildair until just a couple years back had 5 themselves doing daily freight trips around nz
Air Chathams still has Convairs on their books and I see them show up occasionally on FlightRadar. It's 27 Jun 2020... still flying 'em!
Amazing that the captain survived
I do love your channel as you cover a lot of issues and flights the discovery channel types don't cover but it will be great if you can get someone to do simulations for the vids. the random planes are better than seeing fish or cars but are distracting.
Nice video 😇😉🤗☺
I remember driving pass this crash site the day after it happened on my way to Gatlinburg. I knew where the airport was and most often times than not when a crash happens so close to the runway it’s unfortunately due to pilot error in some form. I never knew the cause of the crash until now. What a waste of a life and a great airplane due to an incompetent captain.
Yes they landed at World of Sports golf course . The Convair 580 was the main stay of Allegheny airlines in the 60s and 70s
IFC in Florida is still flying 580s in the Caribbean.
FYI . Kelowna Flight Craft still operates the 580 and the 5800 out of Kelowna BC Canada
I'm no legal expert by miles, but I hope that pilot got charged with some sort of negligence that resulted in the death of the copilot. That's just utterly inexcusable in my book.
you would be surprised to learn how many 50s era planes are still very much in service. The b-52 stratofortress (still very much in use by USAF) was first flown in 1952
I saw a convair land at Phx a few weeks ago.
Another eminently concise and digestible analysis which boils down to the captain not starting sufficiently early in the flight to make the necessary (fuel balance) adjustments and deal with the checklist. As a result, he was unresponsive to the clear and unequivocal concerns the copilot was expressing as a result of the handling characteristics the airplane was developing due to the fuel imbalance. It also seems at least one engine flamed out which still didn't seem to rouse the captain from what appeared to be an almost trance like state, while so engrossed in paperwork. In the light of the number of times the copilot did attempt to communicate the problems, one hesitates to place any blame at all on him for "merely" making confused and concerned comments about the unusual handling, rather than directly requesting the captain take over and feel for himself, although it is arguable that this more direct approach may have shaken the Captain out of his burrow. It always seems so unfair to put blame on the human element but it feels hard to envisage what "procedural improvements", "more thorough maintenance" or "additional training" could have caused to be done differently in this particular scenario.....
this is like when i left the carb fuel on off and the bike stopped 50m from my house
7:11 "Airline strictly prohibits transfer of fuel on the ground or in the air."
The stories are fascinating, and I like how you keep them succinct. I do think the videos would be improved if the visual matched the story, rather than just random footage of various aircraft.
The first pilot was a Dyatlov at work!
2:50 with "nope"!? Thought it's "negative"
Check this: TSU 8138; Gulf and Caribbean Cargo 8138, a Convair 580 that still flies KMIA - MGGT.
Amazingly it's a regular cargo route.
I love your voice
I grew up a few clicks east of KCVG, in Erlanger, I was 8 when it happened. Not going to lie, I didn't remember this at all.. I'm surprised I don't remember hearing it on WCPO or something. But then again, I was a little twerp back then.
FYI a Convair 580 is a re-engined 340. They replaced the 340's piston engines with turbo-props and also updated the avionics. they all started life as 340s.
03:05 well the guy in the trailer-home next to the crash site sure heard of it
F/O: You killed us!
Cpt: I will sort that out once we are on the ground
ATC: "Do you need emergency equipment ready to go?"
Cpt: Nope, we haven't crashed yet. I'll get back to you in 30 seconds.
Of course the guy responsible survived the crash while the guy who knew something was wrong didn’t....karma is a fuckin myth.
I really like your channel, the computerized graphic videos are so hard to sit through
Was the captain at least jailed for gross negligence and involuntary manslaughter or something?? He had to be.
An open crossferd causing a crash reminds me of the Stockport UK crash of a BMA Canadair C-4 Argonaught in 1967
The captain handles tasks and checklists like a student handles deadlines
I was about to watch the regular air crash investigation, but opted to watch the mini. Now i dont know what to do with the spare time.
Know your systems!
FINALLY a quality air crash channel with narration 👍
Poor channel compared to Flight Channel
Look at all the airplanes land! Lol
I do know that one of those aircraft is still in used at airchathams currently
my first thought is: HOW THE FlipFLOOP IS THIS POSSIBLE?
as soon as you said 'DHL' I understood.
Couldn't help but notice the number of perfect, no-smoke landings shown during the incident commentary. Where are these pilots when I'm flyin'?
You actually got that a little bit wrong....
What in the cabin feels like a smooth, perfect landing will most often be with smoking tyres.
In order to conserve your tyres, you have to set down firmly, which for passengers can feel like a bit of a hard landing.
The too 'gentle' landing will cause the tyres to skid along the runway, before they finally grip and rotate. This is what cause them to smoke. It also lead to flat spots on the tyres, which is hugely annoying. It's what gives that "thump-thump-thump......thump-thump-thump..... thump-thump-thump" noise on take-off & landing.
So the landings you can't feel in the cabin are not necessarily good landings.
@@thefreedomguyuk I don't know why they don't motorise the landing gear so they're spinning up already before landing. It's certainly possible to do some kind of ratcheting motor such that the wheels can spin faster than the motor can handle without damaging the motor or resisting the spin.
@@MGSLurmeyA very good point indeed. It has been tried out. Various motorized solutions, and passive ones, where vanes caught the air to rotate the wheels. But all trials proved it's not feasible.
"Captain, we've lost the vertical stabilizer."
"Eh, no problem."
"Uncontained turbine failure, #1 engine."
"It's okay."
"We're losing hydraulics."
"It's all gonna be fine."
"Missile fire incoming."
(slips on sunglasses) "No worries, dude."
Once u said no one checked the other pump, it reminded me of my car engine, when the passenger side cam sensor went bad and replaced, but the drivers side was failing also. Mechanics are too focused on a failed idiot light. My constant argument with my mechanic. The drivers side cam sensor never threw a light, because it was in tolerance, but the one that failed completely did. Passenger side was the first side to fire, then the drivers side. So when you put your foot on the gas, the ecu would see a difference between both sensors, the new one and old one and try to retard the timing, however by the time it retarded the timing, the sensors matched. Unfortunately cars are different than planes, however if cars had cam gauges i might have noticed this issue, instead of guessing.
Sometimes if you want it done right, you have to do it your self.