I've had the great honour of meeting Hooky twice in my life. One time when I was on vacation in London I've sat down and had a chat with him after one of his DJ gigs and again a few years back when he performed with The Light over here in Germany. Not only did he recognise me but again he sat down and had a drink with me (his non-alcoholic). He was jovial, witty, quick one-liners and very humble. Truly wonderful man and a great inspiration forever and a day.
Met him twice as well - the first time many years ago around the time of Thieves Like Us, he wasn't particularly pleasant but I was a kid. The second time around 10 years ago and he was really nice.
Unfortunately the album gets kind of mediocre after "Dreams. Their next album Power, Corruption and Lies is where the band came together as a good band. They tried to sound like Joy Division on the first one and Bernard was trying to sound like the late Ian Curtis on Movement.
I absolutely LOVE Movement. It’s as close to JD as you’re going to get yet as far from any New Order album that came afterward. Totally stands on its own as a masterpiece for me. Gotta love Hooky’s insight. So genuine.
Saw New Order in Wellington, New Zealand on December 6, 1982. They played the whole of "Movement" plus one song I did not recognise. They sounded just like the record.
Love Hooky. I photographed him in Brighton in about 2009 when he DJ at the Bench store. Was such a good guy. Very warm, easy going and witty. Lot of respect for him. Plus of course his bass style is unique .
The second time I saw New Order in NYC, a heavily drinking Bernard yelled back at the audience, "I see we have some Joy Division fans here" after being asked repeatedly to play their old songs. A little while later as a synthesizer sequence was being loaded from cassette tape and taking a bit, Bernard first apologized and then said, "actually I don't give a sh*t!". Peter took away the bottle he was holding.
@@markmero1516I remember they didn't start until 2am. I have the ticket stub somewhere. If I find it I can tell you the name of the venue and the date.
I think Hooky remembers more of the 80s than I do. I had a lot of fun but I must admit a lot of it is kind of a haze 😆 Fortunately I do remember seeing them a few times. And hanging out with them. Nice people. ❤️
I love JD and NO because they're so different and because I love different kinds of music. Both have greatness and Hooky is definitely the essence of both bands sound.
First time I saw NO in the early 80's I went because I knew they used to be Joy Division but I didn't go expecting them to play Joy Division. Love the music of both bands. I remember at one point Sumner asking if there were any requests. And then, "We don't do requests so fuckit!"
Love Hooky. Not only one of the most uniquely influential bass players of all times, but such a class act and sweetheart of a guy. So glad they continued with New Order and did not stop with Joy Division. Such great songs that take you to a different place.
Love Hooks classic sound...you can always hear his sound and know exactlly what the band is, more so than any other instrument sans the singing. Wished he had stuck with the band, especially in this latest tour with the boxes and 27 other synth players playing their old parts...none could play Hooks Hooks. Hes a solid musician.
Hook obviously the most interesting member of the band. I wish NO was still together, but I'm so grateful he's spending time talking about the JD/NO days. Loved his book about JD too.
Hook is such an icon legend and such a super cool guy/nice when you meet him. My biggest respects to him, super glad he still plays joy divison and new order on tour.
The question I would most like to ask Hooky about this period in the band is, why the hell did they drop the song "Homage" from their set? It's one of the most energetic, full-on songs from that time (as you can hear on the 'Western Works' demo). The drumming is frenetic, it's just a great track, but they played it live just a handful of times in 1980 and then dropped it. Maybe they thought it harked back to the JD sound too much and they wanted to get away from that? Who knows, but I've always thought it a real shame that this track never really saw the light of day.
"New Order" isn't really New Order without Hooky, is it? He's the most charismatic member of the band. And as much as I do love the all of them, it does seem like they've had him off. Which is wrong. And not very "New Order"! Ironically enough.
Hurrah! club in NEw York!...it was the only place to dance to the new wave music and the Cure was the first band I saw there...now I learned why Joy Division didnt make it to the club
Talking about fans feeling cheated... My friend bought a bunch of tickets for Peter Hook and The Light expecting to enjoy all his favourite New Order tunes with all his mates... Boy was he wrong. I had a great time though. I preferred Peter Hook performing Joy Division material than any studio recording I've heard.
I saw New Order at Bradford University in 1981 and yes I did feel cheated that the set was so short probably because I thought it was amazing and wanted more
Mislabeled, he doesn’t say much about Movement. It’s an interesting moment in time. The JD is heavily present, but you can hear the transition there too, with Barney’s vocals still tentative, as if he’s in Ian’s shadow. It’s here you can really hear how much Curtis brought to the group. Hook has mentioned that he thinks their musical direction would have continued in the same direction had he lived, and that brings thoughts, what would he have brought to “The Perfect Kiss”. Different lyrics, sure, but the style would have been quite something, hard to produce in your imagination. I do like New Order better than Joy Division, but the beauty of Movement is that one can hear both, but also appreciate what is missing from it, since in a way, it is neither band complete.
Movimento da Ordine Nuovo è Album di classica a come Sextet - ACR anche Kaleidoscope - Siousxie e gli Banshees piu Gli cadute /// Totales Turns e inclusa Nuovaconstruire dalla Stato 808....Veramente reminiscenze di Joy Division ((( Divisa giove/gioia))) - Closer ///:::( a vicina))).... Che cosa ne pensa nn ancora degli tecnico ingegnere di suono. Io penso essi che davvero simpatici e sviluppatori avanzato a finito. Benessere. Accorda e stringa e melodia lusciare e scuro. Cin cin. Antonio AAMG Tiani Jacqui Lucia. Ancoats/Miles platting... N/Qtr M/cr Ifach Gescom Trelik The Fall Gerald Fx 101 Pal Sl SSR State 808 Futura 303.
"The audience was openly hostile. They wanted Joy Divison." Well, to be fair, they also probably wanted MORE THAN ONLY TWENTY-FOUR MINUTES of music. Damn right I would've felt ripped off!!
I respect PHook...he speaks truth. The other two lies....when ever hooky talks about joy D and ean he lights up... proud... 2 other don't...#$&k them,Peter your better off without them... friend for life..they suck.. people change, happening all of the time.. ☮️
"...it was done out of love...." what did he mean, going to the inquest? It's incredible what they went through, and then the music they came up with over the next few years. Shame the fuckin dance shit eventually took over but anyway.......
Movement has some of my fave New Order songs ever (doubts even here, dreams never end and truth) and some of my least favorite (ICB and The Him). Rest i can take or leave to be honest.
New Order: one of the most over-rated bands in rock history.The thought that they even get mentioned in the same breath as the Smiths is as amusing as it is highly depressing
Their first two records were as good as anything the Smiths did, have you listened to "Movement" and "Power Corruption and Lies"? Blue Monday was a seminal track that certainly played a huge influence on a lot of Electronic that followed into the next decade. After that I would be hard pressed to argue, although I always thought the Smiths were over rated. N.O. did put out a lot of swill later in their career. Of course it all depends on ones taste in music. Additionally they were Joy Division so they carried that mystic around also.
nerveclinic some of their early work was indeed great as was odd tracks from Republic album in the 1990's.Blue Monday has been played to death so I can't view it from a dispassionate viewpoint.However when compared to the stand-out tracks from the Smiths there really is no comparison - N.O never managed to write perfect albums like Meat is Murder nor the Queen is dead and let's not forget Bernard couldn't write lyrics to save his life when compared to the genius of Morrissey.Oddly enough when both bands were going New Order were much bigger in the U.S - of course their popularity is in decline now that they are churning out rubbish album after rubbish album too vain to ever realise that they may as well call it a day or else become a New Order tribute band as Hooky has so brilliantly done !
I had given up on them by the time Republic came out. I remember Blue Monday when it came out and how ground breaking it was. I saw the ripples it created in electronic music that came after, in my opinion a positive influence. That song alone was extremely important in the history of electronic music. That's quite an achievement. Hooky is smart, he's become the New Order/Joy Division cover band, but only the first two NO records and mostly Closer by JD tribute band. That's really how I remember them the Closer Album, a couple of JD 12" singles and then the first two NO albums and Blue Monday. Sorry I don't think the Smiths can touch that combination, but it just means we have different taste in music. And yeah I owned Meat is Murder and the Queen is Dead, it's not that I haven't heard it. Different tastes mate.
Arminius.....so you really think they were better than the Smiths? I thought only someone like Hooky would think that - never trust a recovering alcoholic !
I've had the great honour of meeting Hooky twice in my life. One time when I was on vacation in London I've sat down and had a chat with him after one of his DJ gigs and again a few years back when he performed with The Light over here in Germany. Not only did he recognise me but again he sat down and had a drink with me (his non-alcoholic). He was jovial, witty, quick one-liners and very humble. Truly wonderful man and a great inspiration forever and a day.
Met him twice as well - the first time many years ago around the time of Thieves Like Us, he wasn't particularly pleasant but I was a kid. The second time around 10 years ago and he was really nice.
He comes across as a man who has matured and learned much about life
"Dreams never end" is still Epic.
Unfortunately the album gets kind of mediocre after "Dreams. Their next album Power, Corruption and Lies is where the band came together as a good band. They tried to sound like Joy Division on the first one and Bernard was trying to sound like the late Ian Curtis on Movement.
@@barrygreenstein8383 i still like listening to the whole album Side one is especially good!
Hooky is a legend...I like both bands for different reasons.
Peter Hook is my favorite member of NO... you just cant have New Order without that unique and powerful bass he plays
He's the only one who has kept the Joy Division sound alive through his basslines.
2:13 Procession & Cries and Whispers are classics
The lyrics are incredible
I absolutely LOVE Movement. It’s as close to JD as you’re going to get yet as far from any New Order album that came afterward. Totally stands on its own as a masterpiece for me. Gotta love Hooky’s insight. So genuine.
Their transition Album
Saw New Order in Wellington, New Zealand on December 6, 1982. They played the whole of "Movement" plus one song I did not recognise. They sounded just like the record.
Hooky is the heart and soul of New Order.....
I was about to agree with "yes! he's the most honest", but thought for just one second 😊
Bernard is the brain
New order is the heart of new order.
Don't know about that, Bernard is incredibly soulful
Love Hooky. I photographed him in Brighton in about 2009 when he DJ at the Bench store. Was such a good guy. Very warm, easy going and witty. Lot of respect for him. Plus of course his bass style is unique .
Very cool!
The second time I saw New Order in NYC, a heavily drinking Bernard yelled back at the audience, "I see we have some Joy Division fans here" after being asked repeatedly to play their old songs. A little while later as a synthesizer sequence was being loaded from cassette tape and taking a bit, Bernard first apologized and then said, "actually I don't give a sh*t!". Peter took away the bottle he was holding.
Cool story
Do you remember any other details of that show?
@@markmero1516I remember they didn't start until 2am. I have the ticket stub somewhere. If I find it I can tell you the name of the venue and the date.
I dont know what's better..reading Peter Hook's books or listening to him. I admire his memory!
I think Hooky remembers more of the 80s than I do. I had a lot of fun but I must admit a lot of it is kind of a haze 😆 Fortunately I do remember seeing them a few times. And hanging out with them. Nice people. ❤️
I love JD and NO because they're so different and because I love different kinds of music. Both have greatness and Hooky is definitely the essence of both bands sound.
First time I saw NO in the early 80's I went because I knew they used to be Joy Division but I didn't go expecting them to play Joy Division. Love the music of both bands. I remember at one point Sumner asking if there were any requests. And then, "We don't do requests so fuckit!"
Love Hooky. Not only one of the most uniquely influential bass players of all times, but such a class act and sweetheart of a guy. So glad they continued with New Order and did not stop with Joy Division. Such great songs that take you to a different place.
Hooky is indeed a legend, and I also love both bands for different reasons.
Love Hooks classic sound...you can always hear his sound and know exactlly what the band is, more so than any other instrument sans the singing.
Wished he had stuck with the band, especially in this latest tour with the boxes and 27 other synth players playing their old parts...none could play Hooks Hooks. Hes a solid musician.
He is always a joy to listen to. So much insight and history.
Hook obviously the most interesting member of the band. I wish NO was still together, but I'm so grateful he's spending time talking about the JD/NO days. Loved his book about JD too.
Hook is such an icon legend and such a super cool guy/nice when you meet him. My biggest respects to him, super glad he still plays joy divison and new order on tour.
Movement - classic album. Got me through the eighties.
Just incredible they kept going together and had such stellar success.......
Great interviews with Hook. The whole series is insightful and fantastic. Thanks for posting.
Even though they have fallen out Hooky isn't a bitter man. Shame they can't get back together as only Hooky can do those bass riffs
I love both NO and JD.
Movement is my all-time favorite of New Order. Bit more optimistic than Joy Division, but I do love both
Movement is the best New Order album.
best joy division album you mean
It's my favorite.
no chance.
Sadly true
movement - the last joy division album as i see it
love that record!
Yeah seemed like they were saying goodbye to Ian and trying to come to grips...
Love the Peel Sessions from that period. Senses especially.
I can see why some may only like one or the other, but imo there's been great music all throughout, regardless of the name.
The Greatest Pop Bass Player On Earth!
Saw Peter hook and the light in Wakefield. Brilliant. Me a joy Division fan my mate new order.
The question I would most like to ask Hooky about this period in the band is, why the hell did they drop the song "Homage" from their set? It's one of the most energetic, full-on songs from that time (as you can hear on the 'Western Works' demo). The drumming is frenetic, it's just a great track, but they played it live just a handful of times in 1980 and then dropped it. Maybe they thought it harked back to the JD sound too much and they wanted to get away from that? Who knows, but I've always thought it a real shame that this track never really saw the light of day.
Barney says it was too personal. About his childhood.
New order is one of the best examples in music of making lemonade out of lemons
Peter Hook i have a sh*t eating grin, hearing the legend!
"New Order" isn't really New Order without Hooky, is it? He's the most charismatic member of the band. And as much as I do love the all of them, it does seem like they've had him off. Which is wrong. And not very "New Order"! Ironically enough.
And without his amazing bass tone and riffs too. Their loss
@SgtBaker16 Nah, the "attitudes and b.s." firmly comes from the primadonna that is Bernard Sumner.
@@whatamalike Peter is a drunk twat
New Order were at their greatest when they didn’t know what they were doing.
Hurrah! club in NEw York!...it was the only place to dance to the new wave music and the Cure was the first band I saw there...now I learned why Joy Division didnt make it to the club
Ahaaa Dreams Never End, so good
very good, it's like a joy division/new order evolution.
Talking about fans feeling cheated... My friend bought a bunch of tickets for Peter Hook and The Light expecting to enjoy all his favourite New Order tunes with all his mates... Boy was he wrong. I had a great time though. I preferred Peter Hook performing Joy Division material than any studio recording I've heard.
Blue Monday is a magnificent musical composition that continues to grow into disclosure. Guitar Doors🎙
Movement is a great album.
Great artist, working class hero!
I saw New Order at Bradford University in 1981 and yes I did feel cheated that the set was so short probably because I thought it was amazing and wanted more
Putting urself in the phone book lol, the same as a famous person having a facebook nowadays...
My favorite NO album.
Hooky does great interview s
Mislabeled, he doesn’t say much about Movement. It’s an interesting moment in time. The JD is heavily present, but you can hear the transition there too, with Barney’s vocals still tentative, as if he’s in Ian’s shadow. It’s here you can really hear how much Curtis brought to the group. Hook has mentioned that he thinks their musical direction would have continued in the same direction had he lived, and that brings thoughts, what would he have brought to “The Perfect Kiss”. Different lyrics, sure, but the style would have been quite something, hard to produce in your imagination. I do like New Order better than Joy Division, but the beauty of Movement is that one can hear both, but also appreciate what is missing from it, since in a way, it is neither band complete.
I don't think there would have been a" Perfect kiss "
I really don't blame the fans for rioting at early New Order.
hooky lived near me in moston. loved his book substance.
That little bastard who stole the gear was a tiny "Bonnano". No need. But just $500. A bottle of Champagne.
Movimento da Ordine Nuovo è Album di classica a come Sextet - ACR anche Kaleidoscope - Siousxie e gli Banshees piu Gli cadute /// Totales Turns e inclusa Nuovaconstruire dalla Stato 808....Veramente reminiscenze di Joy Division ((( Divisa giove/gioia))) - Closer ///:::( a vicina))).... Che cosa ne pensa nn ancora degli tecnico ingegnere di suono. Io penso essi che davvero simpatici e sviluppatori avanzato a finito. Benessere. Accorda e stringa e melodia lusciare e scuro. Cin cin. Antonio AAMG Tiani Jacqui Lucia. Ancoats/Miles platting... N/Qtr M/cr Ifach Gescom Trelik The Fall Gerald Fx 101 Pal Sl SSR State 808 Futura 303.
He’s wearing a Breitling watch there.
Deserves a Patek
"The audience was openly hostile. They wanted Joy Divison." Well, to be fair, they also probably wanted MORE THAN ONLY TWENTY-FOUR MINUTES of music. Damn right I would've felt ripped off!!
Subculture has the best bassline ever!
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Whattttt!?? Who had Peter Hooks Number?
I respect PHook...he speaks truth. The other two lies....when ever hooky talks about joy D and ean he lights up... proud... 2 other don't...#$&k them,Peter your better off without them... friend for life..they suck.. people change, happening all of the time.. ☮️
"...it was done out of love...." what did he mean, going to the inquest? It's incredible what they went through, and then the music they came up with over the next few years. Shame the fuckin dance shit eventually took over but anyway.......
Team Hook YES Team Barney NO Peter has been 'sent to Coventry' by Bernard and it's all wrong.
it's not new order without Hooky despite what the fanboys try and tell you.
You might wanna check out a song called ''Turn your back'' by a new band called :''St.Guilt''
Brandon Robert James Mosby Why?
Brandon Robert James Mosby, thank you for the recommendation! I’d never heard of St, Guilt, but I like! “Cold” is particularly good.
I like both, there's more new order music, but so much not so good music, whereas joy division is 100% solid.
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Why did it take so long for New Order to play Joy Division songs?
It was probably too painful, and they wanted to stand on their own two feet.
Respect to Ian.
It’s called grief.
Time is a great healer
Wonder if he's still got the same phone number
Movement has some of my fave New Order songs ever (doubts even here, dreams never end and truth) and some of my least favorite (ICB and The Him). Rest i can take or leave to be honest.
" Ian s untimely suicide".... as opposed to a timely suicide Hooky? ☺
Untimely, because he killed himself like the day before they were supposed to start their first US tour.
He's right about them having different audiences. I adore Joy Division. New Order just annoyed me.
ElectricLabel I agree completely. 100% I always much prefer Joy Division.
i like both,, it's ok to like both
ElectricLabel Some songs on the first record, Blue Monday, Temptation
They tried to sound very JD early, I do not know why they didn`t play JD songs.
People who only like Joy Divison can stuff it.
#1 Baas payer=Hook #2 Tomomi Ogawa (Japanese-Scandal)
Good job Barney could sing.
That's always been open to debate...
Arrrrrrrgh.
Its Manchester.
So a vague explanation, and admission of alcoholism…… hmmm….. red flag?
Great musician but not a nice person.
he seemed nice to me.
@SgtBaker16 He worked for nothing for years to pay Factory 's debts whilst his contemporary's were reaping the benefits of Rock&Roll!
Tony Lea I met him a few times and he was nothing but very pleasant and ebullient. Great guy 👍🏼
New Order: one of the most over-rated bands in rock history.The thought that they even get mentioned in the same breath as the Smiths is as amusing as it is highly depressing
Their first two records were as good as anything the Smiths did, have you listened to "Movement" and "Power Corruption and Lies"? Blue Monday was a seminal track that certainly played a huge influence on a lot of Electronic that followed into the next decade. After that I would be hard pressed to argue, although I always thought the Smiths were over rated. N.O. did put out a lot of swill later in their career. Of course it all depends on ones taste in music. Additionally they were Joy Division so they carried that mystic around also.
nerveclinic some of their early work was indeed great as was odd tracks from Republic album in the 1990's.Blue Monday has been played to death so I can't view it from a dispassionate viewpoint.However when compared to the stand-out tracks from the Smiths there really is no comparison - N.O never managed to write perfect albums like Meat is Murder nor the Queen is dead and let's not forget Bernard couldn't write lyrics to save his life when compared to the genius of Morrissey.Oddly enough when both bands were going New Order were much bigger in the U.S - of course their popularity is in decline now that they are churning out rubbish album after rubbish album too vain to ever realise that they may as well call it a day or else become a New Order tribute band as Hooky has so brilliantly done !
I had given up on them by the time Republic came out. I remember Blue Monday when it came out and how ground breaking it was. I saw the ripples it created in electronic music that came after, in my opinion a positive influence. That song alone was extremely important in the history of electronic music. That's quite an achievement.
Hooky is smart, he's become the New Order/Joy Division cover band, but only the first two NO records and mostly Closer by JD tribute band. That's really how I remember them the Closer Album, a couple of JD 12" singles and then the first two NO albums and Blue Monday.
Sorry I don't think the Smiths can touch that combination, but it just means we have different taste in music. And yeah I owned Meat is Murder and the Queen is Dead, it's not that I haven't heard it. Different tastes mate.
Horseshit
Arminius.....so you really think they were better than the Smiths? I thought
only someone like Hooky would think that - never trust a recovering alcoholic !