She seemed happy to say, "DBT is getting out of her hand". You are a hero, Marsha! Having said that, the downside is that many people think they are buying DBT when they are receiving bits of the treatment, not the whole group, and phone, talk sessions, skill sessions, and whatnot. I know seeing your videos for the first time on "The Borderliner Notes" back in 2018 I saw it, brought me so much hope. Thank you for everything you helped me and many people with BPD, Ms. Linehan. Sorry about the English, I´m from Brazil. You are very well-known around the BPD community here nowadays btw!
+Ranch Creek Recovery As a someone working in the recovery racket, are you not remotely disturbed that someone who has never been trained in psychotherapy or as a clinical psychologist(she admits to this in the above video) is now administering the alleged "gold standard"? Not only to a population that she herself has described as the "most difficult to treat"(BPD)but also to client populations outside her realm of research on whom DBT has never been clinically tested?
Maybe you should go look up Marsha's qualifications as clearly you haven't. She is a professor of psychology and adjunct professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences. She does say she hadn't learnt Psychotherapy etc but if you listen, she was referring to when she first started. Obviously now she is qualified. I have done the DBT course and it's changed my life. Why you would want to diss something that has helped and changed so many people's lives for the better, I don't know.
Maybe you should go look up Marsha's qualifications as clearly you haven't. As an owner of one of her books and reader of her work, I'm aware that she has a PHD from an accredited University and has published quite a few papers. If you re read my original post, I never denied her being "ordained", as it were. She is a professor of psychology and adjunct professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences. And no doubt, she's a learned and compassionate psychologist; I share your conviction on this matter. Insinuating that someone's sentiments are unassailable because they are a professor(The guy from Celebrity Rehab was a professor of psychiatry despite being an internist who left medicine in favor of showbiz, for example)nonetheless remains a non sequitur at best, wholly irrational at worst. She does say she hadn't learnt Psychotherapy etc but if you listen, she was referring to when she first started. Obviously now she is qualified. In the video above Lineman specifically credits DBT's origins to her NEVER having "been trained as a psychotherapist or clinical psychologist" and if one reads her work, she's fairly plain about her career having been mostly that of a research psychologist and her treatment of patients having been conducted within the context of clinical trials, trials she herself mostly designed. While I don't doubt that her intentions are pure, this is all eerily reminiscent of Prolonged Exposure(also hailed as near Holy Writ by many in the field for quite awhile)'s recent impeachment: www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/07/prolonged_exposure_therapy_for_ptsd_the_va_s_treatment_has_dangerous_side.html Scroll down to the paragraph which begins with "Prolonged Exposure is the brainchild of". Similarly, Lineman admits to running her clinical trials almost exclusively on diagnostically homogeneous populations, namely BPD sufferers. To my knowledge, no one's pointed out the potential hazards of a therapy researched in such narrow confines to populations that diagnostically heterogenous. Goes without saying, many folks therein will suffer afflictions that manifest very differently than BPD. I have done the DBT course and it's changed my life Congrats on your success, first off. I've also undergone DBT for over two years, though it's now come to my attention that we never really moved past Stage 1 of the treatment model proposed by Lineman herself. behavioraltech.org/downloads/dbtFaq_Cons.pdf Do share details of your experience with DBT, as I'm eager to read how it might have been different. Why you would want to diss something that has helped and changed so many people's lives for the better, I don't know. Admittedly, I was angry when I wrote the post to which you responded; were I in a more pleasant frame of mind, my language and tone might not have been as caustic. Refrain from dissent based on claims that something has saved and changed lives? As a culture, we've all perpetrated such dogmatism in regards to 12steps, with disastrous results: www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_pseudo_science_of_alcoholics_anonymous_theres_a_better_way_to_treat_addiction/ DBT encourages us to be effective above all else; our efforts can only be hampered by operating on incomplete, watered down "facts".
Just realized that my prior reply didn't separate your quotes and my responses clearly:oops: At any rate, here was but one example of what I personally found hopelessly nonsensical(note: I'm not denying that treatment didn't help me for a time also) about the key tenants of DBT as it was introduced to me anyway: the obsession with non judgmentalism, despite at least two practitioners with multiple degrees and awards sharing the lay persons view that such a concept, when applied in an absolutistic fashion, is insane at best, pernicious at the worst: www.psychologytoday.com/blog/use-your-mind-change-your-brain/201106/mindfulness-is-judgmental Now in fairness to Linehan, she does kinda sorta attempt to redress this dilemma in her most recent book; over two pages are devoted to splitting hairs over "judgments that discriminate and judgments that evaluate." Nonetheless, one can't help but wonder what hindered her recognition of the inherent vexatiousness of this concept for over two decades, when both her colleagues and the general reader had already noticed this several times over.
I truly don’t understand how one woman can be credited with creating a standard of living that so many institutions make money off of. Did she take others people’s credit? Literally the DBT Handout lists one creator/author. I doubt her so much.
She did indeed create it, but her goal was to help people, not charge for some kind of licensed service fee. She wants the therapy to spread and be used successfully, she wants to save lives.
She seemed happy to say, "DBT is getting out of her hand".
You are a hero, Marsha!
Having said that, the downside is that many people think they are buying DBT when they are receiving bits of the treatment, not the whole group, and phone, talk sessions, skill sessions, and whatnot.
I know seeing your videos for the first time on "The Borderliner Notes" back in 2018 I saw it, brought me so much hope.
Thank you for everything you helped me and many people with BPD, Ms. Linehan.
Sorry about the English, I´m from Brazil. You are very well-known around the BPD community here nowadays btw!
awe =] Thank goodness for Marsha Linehan!
Marsha really understands DBT. Great video!
+Ranch Creek Recovery As a someone working in the recovery racket, are you not remotely disturbed that someone who has never been trained in psychotherapy or as a clinical psychologist(she admits to this in the above video) is now administering the alleged "gold standard"? Not only to a population that she herself has described as the "most difficult to treat"(BPD)but also to client populations outside her realm of research on whom DBT has never been clinically tested?
Maybe you should go look up Marsha's qualifications as clearly you haven't. She is a professor of psychology and adjunct professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences. She does say she hadn't learnt Psychotherapy etc but if you listen, she was referring to when she first started. Obviously now she is qualified. I have done the DBT course and it's changed my life. Why you would want to diss something that has helped and changed so many people's lives for the better, I don't know.
Maybe you should go look up Marsha's qualifications as clearly you haven't.
As an owner of one of her books and reader of her work, I'm aware that she has a PHD from an accredited University and has published quite a few papers. If you re read my original post, I never denied her being "ordained", as it were.
She is a professor of psychology and adjunct professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences.
And no doubt, she's a learned and compassionate psychologist; I share your conviction on this matter. Insinuating that someone's sentiments are unassailable because they are a professor(The guy from Celebrity Rehab was a professor of psychiatry despite being an internist who left medicine in favor of showbiz, for example)nonetheless remains a non sequitur at best, wholly irrational at worst.
She does say she hadn't learnt Psychotherapy etc but if you listen, she was referring to when she first started. Obviously now she is qualified.
In the video above Lineman specifically credits DBT's origins to her NEVER having "been trained as a psychotherapist or clinical psychologist" and if one reads her work, she's fairly plain about her career having been mostly that of a research psychologist and her treatment of patients having been conducted within the context of clinical trials, trials she herself mostly designed. While I don't doubt that her intentions are pure, this is all eerily reminiscent of Prolonged Exposure(also hailed as near Holy Writ by many in the field for quite awhile)'s recent impeachment:
www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/07/prolonged_exposure_therapy_for_ptsd_the_va_s_treatment_has_dangerous_side.html
Scroll down to the paragraph which begins with "Prolonged Exposure is the brainchild of". Similarly, Lineman admits to running her clinical trials almost exclusively on diagnostically homogeneous populations, namely BPD sufferers. To my knowledge, no one's pointed out the potential hazards of a therapy researched in such narrow confines to populations that diagnostically heterogenous. Goes without saying, many folks therein will suffer afflictions that manifest very differently than BPD.
I have done the DBT course and it's changed my life
Congrats on your success, first off. I've also undergone DBT for over two years, though it's now come to my attention that we never really moved past Stage 1 of the treatment model proposed by Lineman herself.
behavioraltech.org/downloads/dbtFaq_Cons.pdf
Do share details of your experience with DBT, as I'm eager to read how it might have been different.
Why you would want to diss something that has helped and changed so many people's lives for the better, I don't know.
Admittedly, I was angry when I wrote the post to which you responded; were I in a more pleasant frame of mind, my language and tone might not have been as caustic. Refrain from dissent based on claims that something has saved and changed lives? As a culture, we've all perpetrated such dogmatism in regards to 12steps, with disastrous results:
www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_pseudo_science_of_alcoholics_anonymous_theres_a_better_way_to_treat_addiction/
DBT encourages us to be effective above all else; our efforts can only be hampered by operating on incomplete, watered down "facts".
Just realized that my prior reply didn't separate your quotes and my responses clearly:oops: At any rate, here was but one example of what I personally found hopelessly nonsensical(note: I'm not denying that treatment didn't help me for a time also) about the key tenants of DBT as it was introduced to me anyway: the obsession with non judgmentalism, despite at least two practitioners with multiple degrees and awards sharing the lay persons view that such a concept, when applied in an absolutistic fashion, is insane at best, pernicious at the worst:
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/use-your-mind-change-your-brain/201106/mindfulness-is-judgmental
Now in fairness to Linehan, she does kinda sorta attempt to redress this dilemma in her most recent book; over two pages are devoted to splitting hairs over "judgments that discriminate and judgments that evaluate." Nonetheless, one can't help but wonder what hindered her recognition of the inherent vexatiousness of this concept for over two decades, when both her colleagues and the general reader had already noticed this several times over.
@@MechaJutaro whether you feel she's qualified or not she has saved loved with DBT and isn't that the main goal?
love much love
Where can I get the online DBT programme...Marsha alluded to??
emotionallysensitive.com
@@ATCConline Thank you!
Treating BPD with technology? Try inducing PD's with technology. You know the government certainly has an active industry working on that.
Didn't get it. Explain it?
I truly don’t understand how one woman can be credited with creating a standard of living that so many institutions make money off of. Did she take others people’s credit? Literally the DBT Handout lists one creator/author. I doubt her so much.
She did indeed create it, but her goal was to help people, not charge for some kind of licensed service fee. She wants the therapy to spread and be used successfully, she wants to save lives.
Louder, please, recording person.