Procedures we wouldn't have, from Sculptra to buccal fat removal and thread lifts
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- In this video I discuss with cosmetic specialists Dr Emmaline Ashley and Dr Qian Xu some of the aesthetic treatments and procedures we'd be unlikely to have ourselves - and why.
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Dr Qian Xu is the founder of Skin Aesthetics and co-director of Redjuvenate Medical. You can follow her on Instagram at / drqianxu and to get in touch for a holistic skin and anti-aging consultation.
Dr Emmaline Ashley is a cosmetic physician and trainer. You can follow her on / doctor.emmaline or visit her website www.dremmaline.co.uk/
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00:00 Intro
00:15 Buccal fat
06:48 Hyaluron pen
11:33 Thread lifting
17:01 We'd have but with caution RF and ultrasound
23:30 Sculptra/Radiesse tissue stimulators
29:05 Butterfly lips
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I’m embarrassed to say I have used the hyaluron pen.
Covid hit and I was unable to see my practitioner. With so much time at home, I found myself staring at my face in the mirror, just desperate to change everything. This led me to CZcams where I found countless creators touting this pen. Embarrassingly, I jumped on the trend - it was August 2020.
After using it several times on different parts of my body, I tried it on my face (please don’t come at me, this is difficult as it is, but I want others to know). I ended up hitting a vein which seemed to have “burst”, causing a large bruise and swelling directly by my right cheek.
Immediately, I went to see one
of the few dermatologists that was taking new patients, if any, at the time. I was embarrassed, in tears, and she told me she couldn’t do anything for me. Her bedside manner was dismissive and cold. She did mention she was seeing more and more of these injuries.
Looking back, I can see I was suffering from some form of dysmorphia…and I think there are many individuals who are in the same boat as I was (doctors should understand this). Thankfully I healed, and it left no scarring or other issues BUT it took about a month for it to heal AND this could have ended very differently.
My pen is long gone….and I’d beg anyone out there who is considering using this-please don’t! And please tune out anyone on social media who advertises these dangerous trends.
Thanks for your time. 🙏🏽
I’m so sorry you went through this and thanks very much for sharing your experience to help others ❤️
@@thehonestchannel I appreciate your honesty, and appreciate the doctors you had on this episode.
Having a platform that counteracts all the dangerously, irresponsible content creators that are out there are so needed; your work is needed. 🙏🏽
Thank you for sharing! Hopefully you are all healthy and happy again! Imperfection make us unique, let’s embrace it.
@@helloydl Really appreciate your kind words. I have my “ok” days, and “not so ok” days…it’s a process. One of the best things I did for myself was delete all social media. I’d say it was the biggest step I took towards better mental health. 🙏🏽
I’m so sorry your dermatologist did that to you !! I am glad you’re okay now❤
Hyaluronic acid fillers are WAY bigger culprits in the overfilled, puffy, pillow face look, hyaluronidase reversals are common years down the line.
Some of this discussion just seems far off the mark. Having had both sculptra and radiese treatments myself (obviously they do need to be done properly) I can tell you that they can both create true, very noticeabe skin quality improvements and they don't endlessly pull in water like HA does .. They are skin biostimulators and seem to genuinely improve the skin over time in a reliable way. PRF is potentially even better still and safest of all.
Dr Rajani is an excellent CZcams resource for expert knowledge of this particular area.
you are absolutely right and he never said you can't have a face lift after Thread Lift.
Absolutely I’ve had multiple rounds of sculptra…..with wonderful long term results…I’ve never known anyone who had a negative experience with this…
Thanks for sharing your experience and good to know this worked for you.
Me too…. Sculptra is the best!
Well you finally met one.
Where you got it done and how much did you pay for this procedure?
@@alejandrajuarez6156 well I live in the greater Orlando Florida area…and I believe pay about 1100.00 to 1200.00 a round….so you do a treatment and follow up with another in 6 weeks I believe
There's a lot to say against hyaluronic acid as well. There are several plastic surgeons who've shown videos of how much of the product they still found in patients' faces years and years after injection. I also don't think it's the right treatment after a certain age, especially for the lower face where a lot of us suffer volume loss first. It will just weigh the face down more. Hyaluronidase has also had its controversies, with some people suffering extreme volume loss and loose skin after it was used. Injectors still don't know why this happens to some and not others.
With regard to Sculptra; I have had several treatments and the results were subtle, but my main reason for not having more treatments done is that the collagen it induces isn't the collagen your body makes in your younger years. It's actually scar collagen, caused by inflammation. I'm not sure I want to keep creating inflammation and scar tissue in my face. I saw an interview with a plastic surgeon who said face lifts in patients who have had Sculptra are more complicated, as it's hard for the surgeon to navigate all the scar tissue. At the moment, I would only consider fat transfer to get my facial volume back a little.
Thats soooo true‼️
Regarding Sculptra, I saw some surgeons say it's not a problem, and that actually surgery is what produces most scar tissue... I think for the moment Sculptra is one of the best options for collagen stimulation.
Thanks very much for sharing your experience.
I'm not sure about extreme volume loss you are referring to, but I have heard about the use of hyaluronic acid, which I presume you are referring to as fillers. The loosening of the skin does not occur immediately; it happens with repeated filler use over many years. Over time, fillers can cause the skin's natural envelope to expand, and as the skin gradually shrinks back, it adopts this expanded state as its new natural state. Consequently, when the fillers are no longer present, the skin may remain loose and not return to its original state. This may require additional fillers to fill the gap, further contributing to the loosening of the skin. In some cases one might even have to have surgery e.g facelift to remove the extra skin.
Please don't do fat transfer. Heard that fat cell "survival" varies on different part of the face causing non-reversible unevenness.
My takeaway is that every restorative procedure comes with risks, every provider has their preferences, and everyone's body reacts differently to the addition of foreign substances. Knowing if I'm a good candidate for something, understanding how the treatment works, and asking myself if I could accept a worse case scenario would be the litmus test for me. These videos are good education.
Good points well made.
Sculptra doesn’t “fill” your face. It’s not irreversible. It’s your own collagen.
How is it reversible then?
@@ashleylala4293same way you lost your collagen in the first place: aging, sun damage, weight loss, poor diet, running too much, alcohol intake or smoking.
So,now the question is: what kind of treatments CAN we do to improve our aging skin?
Fear is a bad adviser. I do everything myself since I paid a bad Dr. The safest you can do is MicroNeedling or Threads. If you want to see results. Also I do Lymphatic Drainage often to keep Jawline and Neck fine.
Red light.
Really appreciate the docs for the honest opinions. Observed many people had injectibles have stiff and puffy faces.
would be great if you could do a video on ageing gracefully and interview older women in particular so they can give their tips and beauty secrets on ageing well and remaining youthful naturally :)
Lovely idea : )
Please Clare can you do natural products for ageing.
Definitely agree. “experience is the only real knowledge “
Albert Einstein
Very interesting and knowledgeable, thank you for another great collaboration Clare.
So glad you found it helpful!
Really interesting discussion, thank you all!
Would love a video like this on Laser treatments namely forever young BBL (broadband light), Halo laser and other lasers for skin .
Love these doctors so amazing they talk such sense
Thanks Helena. I love them too!
Wow! So important! Thank you ❤
Thank goodness for these beautiful and wise doctors who won’t sacrifice “artificial” beauty for the love of money❤️
If they only had a plan
Thank you this was really helpful!
I'm so glad!
Great video, so interesting Claire. Thank you to these professionals for giving their time and expertise like this.
Is there a safer alternative to Radiesse for lifting the face? I understood a more robust filler was needed in the cheeks to be able to lift the face slightly.
Both Dr Emmaline and Dr Qian appear to prefer working with HA fillers - they will give you a lift but the results wouldn't last as long as a fat transfer for example. Best weighed up with a trusted medical professional.
Fillers dont lift. They fill the hollow areas.
@@peacelove7437 I have had radiesse in my upper cheeks, which lifted my lower face. Radiesse is a more robust type of filler so can lift.
I've had Sculpta, but I appreciate your take, because I believe sharing information is important. Thanks for taking the time to make this video!
Thank you!
Are you happy with your results? Would you recommend it?
@@denisemcdonald829
I am over the moon with my results. I had three vials; two at my 1st appointment, and then 11 weeks later another. It's been 6 months since my initial treatment, and I honestly feel it took 6 years off my face. I will be touching up my treatment late this year.
I am weary of " recommending" any treatment that has potential hazards, so please make sure you use an injector that you trust. My injector has worked with me for a while, and is practicing in a board certified plastic surgery center.
Best wishes on your anti-aging journey 🙏
@@denisemcdonald829
Hey I wrote you back but the comment was either deleted or didn't post.
I am over the moon with my results. I had 3 vials over the course of 11 weeks. I believe it helped take 6 years off my face. I am wery of recommending any treatment with potential hazards, so please go to an injector you trust. My injector practices in a board certified plastic surgery center.
Best wishes on your anti-aging journey 🙏
@@denisemcdonald829
My response keeps getting deleted 🤷
I must say that my cosmetic surgeon is old school and has been practicing for decades. He would absolutely caution against, Ultherapy, Thermage, Sculptura, thread lifts and buccal fat. I like his philosophy. We have one face and some of these procedures have not been around long enough to know the longterm effects. Absolutely not to all of the above. The risks are far too great.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts (and your surgeon's) on this.
İnteresting, so what DOES he do?
Ya what can be used to lift the cheeks, fix jowls, he basically blew off every option?
PLLA miracle L and other bio stimulators on maturing skin helps build collagen and elasticity. It’s like a liquid face lift . You do have to continue . Nothing including a face lift is a one and done! Peptides human placenta all kinds of serums work together 😊!
The host said she had ultherapy and did well with it. Her jawline looks excellent. Ultherapy has been around at least 15 years. I think it's best done on youngish faces with a lot of fat cells.
This was very useful, thank you very much. I'm wondering if you do it again if you would ask about these procedures: PRP/PRF for collagen stim, lip lift- the one ehere they cut under the nose in a horn shape And remove the excess skin between the bottom of the nose and the top of the lip, creating a more youthful distance. I am not talking about actually lifting the lip, the lip lift just happens as a happy side note of the removal of excess skin
Love the results of my lip lift at 46.
Have you done a specific video on chemical peels ?
Sculptra is amazing. There are even more refined brands out there now especially certain Korean products. Botox is irreversible also but it's widely used. It will eventually wear off and so will Sculptra in a sense if you stop doing it. It and other Bio-stimulators work with the body to reinforce the density and strength of the skin. You don't do it all at once. You do a series of them and then it will last up to 18 months or so and then start wearing off. So a good practitioner will assess the patient after the 4 to 8 weeks post procedure to see how much is being built and where and how much more might be needed. But eventually if you stop the injections and don't maintain with a booster once or twice a year the body will continue ageing naturally of course so it isn't as permanent as it's being made out to be. In countries such as Korea that are now leaders in the beauty industry, they mix the PLLA (which is the main component of Sculptra) with other cocktails and even hyaluronic fillers so that it can be placed strategically in the skin in areas where it will do most good and even improve the quality of the skin itself. PLLA or PCL is essentially made of the same material as dissolvable stitches used in surgery. It has been widely used in the reconstructive field and it is shown to improve the skin density and strength in numerous clinical studies. Using a cocktail including hyaluronic acid and even EGF and Exosomes can heal and improve the surface quality of the skin as well where there might be scarring or pit masks and even other acneic issues that have caused unwelcome changes in the skin. The key is to choose a practitioner who knows what they are doing and has done numerous procedures before yours. I had a "lunch time" mini face lift done years ago that went wrong and subsequent surgery and treatment to correct it including PRP and RF Micro needling when it was still a bit new and I saw only a temporary plumping with PRP and a big fat loss in my face with the other treatments especially on one side. PRP is a better option today as it's come a long way. Especially when mixed with your own purified fat which I have not tried. But the RF Microneedling did cause fat loss. I have thin skin so maybe that also contributed. I was left with adhesions and fibrotic tissue from the different attempts at correcting the irregularities making my face feel stiff and causing nerve and inflammatory responses. The Sculptra type products especially a combination of the deeper and more superficial types of Bio-stimulators and repair agents has started to improve my face and make it feel more comfortable and natural. I for one want to keep doing them from now on to improve and maintain the results as well as to keep me looking more youthful, glowy and still natural. There are many products coming out now that will stimulate your own cells to repair and to rebuild. It's the new frontier of non Invasive aesthetic wellness and age management. Using PRP and other Biostimulators and nutrients in the right areas depths and quantities along with products such as Botox in combination with some energy based devices used correctly should go a long way in keeping us from or slowing down the ravages of age, stress, illness and lifestyle.
Love ya comment. Fan of Sculptra too
I'm wondering if the "over fill" of sculptra and radiesse.. would be due to the age of the person... I am willing to try one or the other because, going through peri-menopause.. my collagen levels have seriously declined... and I think that these would actually benefit me now.. but not when I was younger...
Very interesting! Thanks a lot :)
Threads and Sculptra are absolutely amazing modalities for anti aging! FYI, not all threads have barbs. I’m wondering what type of technique they use that is creating puckering?
If radiesse could stimulate too much collagen, what about profhilo? And does radiesse or profhilo causes scar tissue under the skin? What’s the difference between radiesse vs fat grafting? Since radiesse could help with volume.
I watch Dr. Rajani in Oregon. He doesn't like fillers but he uses sculptra but he mostly uses PRF, your own blood. I think that's the best way to go. So what if you have to repeat it unless you have a face lift with all those risks and even that you have to redo in 10 years. The older one is the more you should NOT have general anesthesia. MOST doctors don't take the training for PRF unfortunately. Rajani does NOT like HA fillers for faces at all. He does use threads. You have to use discernment. Plastic Surgeons can say anything to keep their income coming in. I haven't done any treatments yet, none but I am going to so I'm doing my homework now. And I'm 68. I would do PRF in a second if I could find an experienced doctor but that's like like looking for a needle in the haystack in Las Vegas.
I agree that it comes down to finding professionals who are highly skilled in these procedures and that can indeed be easier said than done.
I think both these docs felt HA filler was easier to work with and therefore the outcome is more predictable for patients.
I just went to his site and he’s all about fillers!
I'd be curious of your opinion on blepharoplasty (reducing the excess skin of the upper eyelids that pushes down on the upper lashes), and whether you've considered having it done.
In Australia, it is recognised that the excess skin causing pressure on the lashes can contribute to chronic headaches, so about one third of the cost is reimbursed by Medicare (similar to NHS).
I think I could have possibly had a case to have it done on the NHS a few years ago when I had dermatitis on my upper lids due to the extent of the sagging. Instead I had a thermal ablative treatment which helped a bit. I would consider blepharoplasty but am not really very troubled by my hooded lids at the moment.
More episodes like this. V interesting!
Maybe the doctors that are experiencing too much volume from sculptra are injecting too much too quickly? I had one vial injected, waited four months to see what I would getting out of it before doing another. I received a small but significant volumizing effect in the injected areas. Now I expect the same with the second vile except we spread it out more so probably not even as much. Many doctors are injecting every six weeks which is kind of crazy to me, because I didn’t even see any results until like, 3.5 months.
Yes I've heard it's difficult to inject which tells me that there are not many skilled injectors out there. So it sounds like it's more the injector making the error than the Sculptra itself.
I am considering Sculptra. B/c of the expense, I want to go as little as possible. Would you mind telling me your age range and where you had it injected? Thanks!
I live in Canada, and here they sell Sculptra treatment with 2 vials by default. Couldn't find by single. :(
Doctors nowadays think about money. It is very difficult to find a doctor that works in the beauty industry that says no to a patient. They all make breast implants, botox, ultherapy and are they really safe all these procedures? But most of all are they really needed? I find that is ridiculous to prevent wrinkles with botox at 30!!
There are a lot of unnecessary treatments being done that’s for sure.
What aggrivates me is how skin types are not mentioned for instance oily vs dry skin at birth. I have dry skin and halo laser aged me. The gals, I know, with oily skin, have great results.
Some peoples' bodies reject internal stitches, which is the same chemical composition as Sculptra and the 'threads' used in thread lifts. 7 months after a limb bone surgery, the internal stitches are still surfacing and coming out through my skin; I was told rejecting them is fairly common, and do not get Sculptra or a thread lift.
This is so odd. It’s almost as if there is an organized campaign to turn people off from Sculptra lately. Makes me wonder if there is a new competitor entering this space.
There's no hidden agenda with this video. This is two doctors sharing their opinion.
They want you to use hyaluronic acid filler instead, because you have to keep getting the injections every few months vs once a year for maintenance with Sculptra
I've done a lot of research about Sculptra. Doesn't make me an expert. But the potential complications, such as the formation of granulomas, is absolutely terrifying to me.
The Honest channel why do you block comment with links? If you were honest you wouldn't do that. I posted a link to a very educational video about Scultra. Scultra offers a longer term solition that cuts into money they make selling fillers or using lasers for collagen production. I worked is plastic surgery for 10 years and have had Scultra. I love it!
Edit - after posting this comment my link appears. Hmmmm. A varity of results should be welcomed and then people should do what they feel most comfortable with!
I love a round face and always loved it. I do not understand the buccal fat trend. I think people should be very careful with plastic surgery trends and I don't understand a world where everyone is trying to look the same.
Interesting about sculptura all the reviews I have seen there is only a very slight difference the main gripe is more that it may not work and the results are very slight when it does 🎉
I'm also surprised to hear this about Sculptra. I literally have a consult for this product tomorrow. I've only heard positive reviews about this product when administered by a highly trained professional. I appreciate their insights nonetheless. Also, you look so beautiful here Clare! I love your channel.
Getting someone highly experienced and recommended in these procedures is absolutely key to great results.
@@elenav971 I hope it goes well and you come out with positive feelings, I would consider sculptra as opposed to fillers I have seen too many pillow faces as a result of filler 🙏
@@elenav971 Did you have it done? If so, what were the results?
Actually those doctors don’t know anything about sculptra.. they should not talk about sthing they never used or studied.. by the way, the doctor at the bottom look pretty puffy and HA overfilled lol
I’m wondering if hyloronaise that dissolves the HA filler would also dissolve healthy normal tissue too not just the filler ?
It sure did in my poor lips. They won't ever be the same.
Many doctors say it depends on where you inject sculptra. I think if injected in the fat layer, it will add volume
All of the Board Certified Derms that I follow on CZcams speak very, very highly of Sculptra.
I love hyaluronacid too. Of course you can use hyaluronidase but you can damage the healthy skin with that too.
My doctor told me that he has learned from the best doctors radiesse and Hyaluron fillers and to make the face younger he loves radiesse on the higher part of the middle face. Of course not too much. The face should look still soft in the area where it is injected.
There are different arguments on where to use Hyaluron acid and radiesse depending which doctor you ask.
I am surprised to hear how Sculptra or Radiesse can cause so much collagen to be produced and make the face puffy. So far what I have seen is people actually needing at least 2-3 sessions especially with Sculptra to even see any results and it is so unpredictable and also expensive. I have had 1.5ml of Radiesse done to my jaw and after it settled it’s like nothing was done 😳😂. It did give me an invisible palpable “nodule” for a while but gradually gone.
Sorry to hear you didn’t get the result you were hoping for.
It doesn’t. Another myth . Like the retinol causes skin thinning
Thanks for sharing. How did u get rid of the nodule? Did u do something specific? Was it a granuloma?
Hi no I did not do anything. It is annoying though it was just really small. I sometimes just instinctively massaged it.. eventually it resolved. I cannot remember for how long it was there, at least a few months. When I last asked my nurse, she said that it could be due to that spot as the entry point for her candula so a collection of Radiesse there caused the nodule". It was not in any way visible but "palpable. I am glad it's gone now. I don't think that is a granuloma. @@olga_b344
What about HA filler migration? They look awful
Soooo many people have said thread lifts are absolutely useless
Watch Dr Rajani on threads and why they fail, its the practitioner
I love threads.
they look good but problem is they don’t last long enough Realistically they last 3-6 months not a year like they say.
Hyaluron Filler is also not integrated into the tissue…
Greetings from Austria🌸
Love the concept of prevention. I'm not into the enhancement part, which is why most women have these procedures.
I have never seen anyone overfilled by Sculptra, lol Also, it absolutely goes away - just not as fast as HA… I feel like the Doc is very misinformed
Both docs agreed on this one and they don’t know each other apart from being interviewed on the channel. Both very experienced and well networked in the industry. I’m sure there are many medical professionals who do Sculptra well but people should also be aware of all possible outcomes.
@TheHonestChannel I had threads & 5 rounds of sculptra & my face is so puffy now 😢 I wish the plastic surgeon would have told me this could happen, like these women are saying!
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I don't know why people want to do everything at once. Ive done everything but little at a time. Still have a wrinkle on my forehead, dont like it to look to smooth. Had threads, but did one at a time between 2 months. Had a lip lift at 46, because naturally had a long philtrum. Filled undereye, i didnt used 2 syringes, used half of it. People be using too much shit and that's a fact!!!
Filled my cheeks 5 years ago, dont need to fill it again. In 48 now. Still have my cycle , hormones, I think it helps. But now on hrt to bring up levels and like to have my period for as long as I can.
With that said, I don't really have lines and wrinkles. Threads helped build collagen so my face is very full (naturally) not puffy look.
I think Madonna did it. She's puffy
@peacelove7437 Research is key. If a doc is recommending too much too soon. Nah. Sculptra especially take 3-6 months to start working. Plus it needs to be diluted with like 8ml water, injected minimally per area, then messaged 5 times a day for 5 days.
I trained in cog threads, dont think they last, i much prefer hufu for the lower face, only jawline and jowel area because like they said it can kill fat, so i will only use it on the very lower face
Thanks for sharing your expertise!
very difficult to do a face lift after you have had sculptura
I had HIFU, and now one side of my face has less fat than the other. The more I try different treatments (hifu, red lights/ infra-red, facial exercise, micro-current device, fibroblast), the worst my skin looks. My face is melting I feel I have aged 10 years in the past 3 years, when I started these treatments. My self steem feels so low - I became invisible. I don't know what else to do. I'm warry of trying anything now and make my face worse
I’m sorry about what you’re going through. One of my friends went through the same thing from radio frequency. She had so much fat loss and asymmetry in her face. The more she tried other treatments, the worse it got. It made her very depressed. She decided to stop everything, to allow her face and skin to heal. She, also, realized she had to address her depression and reached out for therapy. Her face and skin look so much better.. As well, as her depression and low self esteem. The fat you lost in you face will come back, but it can take a long time. Allow yourself time.. You’ll get through it stronger, and more beautiful.
What is HIFU?
I had ultherapy treatment and that happened to me too, I lost face fat so I fixed it with one treatment of Sculptra, but it’s was very painful
How long did it take to see results?
@@pamb5186. A few days after and it last it for over 13 months. Now I need another one but is very expensive.
I love mono threads! By the way these women spoke about threads I can tell they’re not educated. Not all threads are barbed or used for lifting. Some threads are smooth and do not lift or contour the face. They will get rid of acne scars and dark under eye circles. I didn’t have the best experience with RF and would not do it again. Rf can be permanent And go very wrong with not much to reverse it
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I don't understand why people speak on something with little experience. This discredits the entire conversation.
Finally after this video I'm not really sure what the doctors would do 😅
Ha! To be fair I did only ask what they wouldn’t have done 😁
If I was on the fence about Sculptra before, I'm now a hard NO. I just can't get behind the "wait and see" approach with Sculptra. Having auto-immune issues already, I'm terrified of the potential for granulomas and/or other irreversible conditions to form. No matter how small the chance of this statistically happening.
Filler I thought the trend was away from HA. It might be good for minimal volumne loss, but if your older and have more volumne loss this is going to be very expensive.
True, although HA filler can hang around in the face for years.
@@thehonestchannel Whicj is what you don't want especially if your receiving more than minimal injections which might cause puffy face biostimulators dissolve in time,
Fillers in the face isn't great either, you get a pillow face over time & it destroys tissue in the face. If you want a face lift due to sagging later on in life the face would be very difficult to work with as the surgeons can't even stitch into those tissues bcos its falling apart..MI watched a documentary on this
Curious what the documentary is called...is there a link???
Pls discuss about facial fat grafting!! ❤
Will do!
@@thehonestchannel pls discuss about, method, risk, whether it actually makes the smile lines, wrinkles less visible, where it should be injected, where to avoid, how to avoid over injecting and ended up with puffy cheeks/face. Whether it can help smooth the line under the eyes or crowsfeet. Whether it could create other new lines…thank you! ❤️❤️
There is a doctor called Amir Karam who does fat transfer and appears to have wonderful success, I believe again it is in the hands of the practitioner, but I would love to hear more about this as well
@@thehonestchannel Please please please!
@@ams70 I know but he’s too expensive and too far away from me. I’m thinking of going to Korea for this procedure
I al 44 years old female woman and I had one treatment of Sculptra done in my face two years ago, I loved the results but it was so painful and expensive. I would love to get another treatment but it’s so expensive and painful and my dermatologist moved to California. I am afraid to go anywhere else.
Good to hear you got great results but I know how expensive these treatments are. Hopefully you can find another experienced and reputable doctor near you.
It is far less expensive than a facelift from anyone decent
What do you all suggest for nasolabial Folds
There are so many options, from filler, to ultrasound or RF, or even laser, but the best thing you can do is talk to a highly experienced and reputable aesthetic specialist. These procedures are only risky if put in the wrong hands.
@@thehonestchannelfiller for folds adds heaviness to the lower face. Bad idea.
Fillers have lots of negatives - such as they travel and if you do e.g. lip filler for a long time, it travels to the lower face and you get heaviness there. Plastic surgeons talk a lot about fillers shifting so it's not new and how come these doctors are saying that there are no problems with them? of course not - in short term, but in long term - there are.
Liam payne looked so much better when he had a more softer youthful look imho. Not sure why ppl demonize fat.
Properly placed threads are wonderful and build collagen. They're very beneficial. This very limited opinion is daft. For people who have that much loose skin, they need a derp plane lift. Threads are great for gentle lift.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
hyaluronic acid fillers attract water and can end up with a swollen face, sure it can be dissolved, but the filler don't last long and a nice revenue earner for the clinics
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Hm, don't know what to say, I had Radiesse and it dissolved. Plus, the results were far better than HA.
I'm sure there will be lots of people out there who have had good results with those treatments - I think the docs were saying it just wasn't for them because the results may not be as predictable for every patient.
@@thehonestchannel of course, there is no general rule or identical outcomes.
For example, I had horrible really horrible expériences with Botox. So many factors...
@@lgpop3347how did you manage to dissolve the radiesse? ❤
@@1989Channy it dissolved by itself, after a few months.
I was about to have buccal fat removal thank good I didn't, I would look awful now. The surgeon secretaries said to me no..your face is lovely don't do it.
You must be young to even think of that being a good idea. Glad you saw this.
Love my thread lifts, it builds collagen.
Put down the fillers people!!!
These women are talking out their asses. The one doesnt even properly pronounce buccal. Lmfao
I went to a top top doctor & had sculptra.... big lumps formed under the skin were the sculptra was injected, not nodules.
Really sorry to hear that. Hope your skin is back to normal again.
@@thehonestchannel no it's not yet & I had it done last September
So sorry to hear this. Thank you for sharing your experience for anyone else considering getting this. Did the doctor give you an explanation as to why this occurred? I presume they directed you to massage the area 5 times a day for 5 days?
@@youtubeuser1105 yes they did & I did as it perfectly. When I contacted them he brought me back & said he can definitely feel the lumps & that it can sometimes happen. I didn't want them to be desolved as I have read studies on that being a bad idea. He say they could add a
little bit of a different kind of filler to kind of disguise it.... but I wouldn't do anything else now.They are not very noticeable & have never been but I can feel them under the skin, one is about an inch. I wish I had never gotten them it was a very expensive mistake, 2000 euro
That's from it not being diluted to at least 8ml possibly. Just curious, did you message 5x a day for 5 min for 5 days like recommended?
I would place fillers first! They look unnatural, they migrate, they stay in your body for years and disolving them can cause devastating side effects.
You should watch DrAmirKaram's video about Sculptra, he explains it very well.
Why dosen't the doctors know about other treatments like the tapes.
I thought you were educating us. I would never do a treatment like that, but why you don't know about other treatments?
We were only discussing the procedures we personally wouldn’t have.
They are wrong about Sculptra, as long as it's used properly
Thread lifts have changed alot. Lots of people getting great results ecen doing it themselves.
If you have a face as round as the moon, you really won’t age far too soon 😂 I’m the same as you Claire, hated my round face and now I’m using Adipeau to put the fat back 🤣I do still have quite a round face though. 🌝
There’s a lot I’d like to discuss with my 25-year-old self! 😄
Hello.
Does Adipeau helps?
@@evelynkrenn9739 it has really helped me, I’m so impressed with it, it made the area around my lips much fuller. I wouldn’t want to be without it now.
Thank you so much i will try Adipeau for my FattLoss in the field of my marionettes lines…
Greetings from Austria
@@tallisinwonderland4724did it help your under eye area at all (if you had issues with it)? And how long did it take to see a difference?
I’ve been on the fence on trying it, but I think I may give it a try
I've had so many people come in and ask me about those stupid butterfly lips. I tell them all the time that it literally cannot work because you've still got the enzyme in the lips that will just carry on dissolving the filler that you're putting in there again. So the tape is just holding swelling in place. Once you remove it, it's just going to look like dissolved lips. Ridiculous
You look absolutely beautiful, and I swear you have aged backwards. Can you please do a video of what you've had done and what are you are currently doing? It's working!
Thank you so much! I will be recording an update on my routine very soon. ❤️
I'm so shocked at the opinions of these two practitioners ! I've had asthetic procedures for 20 years with some of the best in the UK and America...
Sculptra is possibly the number one most natural and successful procedures to be done .. also there statements about' basic ' very expensive and very short lasting hyuloronic acid to me screams that they are both no where near as experienced or forward thinking as they claim to be !!!! Also you can change the shape of a lip with hyuloronic acid as I've had mine changed with amazing success ....I think you need doctors with a great deal more knowledge on your channel..
im still waiting for your facial fat grafting discussion :(
Sorry for the wait! I think I'll need to find a cosmetic surgeon to join that discussion. All suggestions welcome!!
Dr Qian Xu is wrong on Thread Lifts. All great Plastic Surgeons say there is NO problem with a face lift later. Threads are way mor safer than fillers for instance. You got to choose the right Candidate. i do them myself (mostly PDO/ PLLA and it looks fantastic
Good to hear you've had a positive experience with them. Views in the industry are definitely mixed. I just watched Dr Amir Karam talking about why he didn't like thread lifts the other day. It's an interesting one!
Thread lifting looks horrifying and painful. It doesn't last long enough for the price either
I know some folks have had a good experience with it but it’s not a treatment I’d seek out either.
I honestly think that that Liam fellow looks way improved with the buccal fat removed. Why is it so bad that he made his face look so much more handsome? I’m thinking about it myself. I’m 61 but have a very round face and still do. I hated it as a younger person and now still feel like I wish I had cheekbones. I don’t think videos like this which call out a celebrity for doing something which improved their appearance is great because its like you’re just trying to shame him.
He is handsome either way, that's for sure, and I wasn't intending to shame him so I'm sorry it's come across like that and you're right to call me out on it. People absolutely have the right to choose how they look, I just think we should be aware that there could be longer-term consequences. Those risks aren't regularly discussed so I see it as my job to do that (rightly or wrongly!).
Those are jaw implants hun not buccal fat pad removal 🙄
So you’re saying you don’t like biostimulators because you, basically, aren’t confident in your ability to inject them properly and you want an “out.” Frankly, I want an injector who is trained and capable and who can confidently inject a biostimulator without needing to ensure she has something to bail her out when she makes a mistake. This doesn’t sound like a problem with the product: it sounds like a problem with the injector.
Truly controversial, sad enlightenment regarding threads... But is the scare a bit generalizing? Because aren't patients being assessed for selection first, for facial bone type, fat volume, skin excess, etc? First time I heard the lasting expression scar effects, there must be a back story to this, perhaps with those I see in CZcams performing their own irresponsible diy thread kits which risks their threads not going deep enough like a surgeon would do?
Hi. The conversation isn’t intended to scare so I’m sorry if it had that impact on you. Not every threadlift will have unwanted effects but these doctors are balancing risk v reward in highlighting the treatments they wouldn’t have themselves
IF you think he's all about fillers you haven't watched any of his MANY EDUCATIONAL videos
I'm so disappointed in this channel. From the Retin-A video to now this one about Sculptra. Pure dismissal of REAL clinical data. Unsubscribing.
Sorry to lose you.
You don't seem to comprehend just how far people are willing to go, and the risks that they're willing to take in order to look better, younger, etc AND save money while doing so. It may be foolish and dangerous, but people are out there doing it, buying no-name filler etc online from China etc and many untrained ppl are doing these procedures on themselves. You all sound rather judgemental and uninformed.
Don’t agree with most of this videos take. It’s coming from doctors that has never or hardly perform the procedures at all.
You should give the Drs more ear time,you talking a lot!
Noted 😁
I don’t agree. You conducted your interview with just enough commentary and questions.
Unsubbed
Sorry to see you go.
I don't think I would Ever consider getting anything injected like that into my face. And I'm even too freaked out to even get Botox! Fat transfer seems like the Only thing that's reasonable.
And even though going under the knife is out of the question financially for the average person, if you had the $ & the right Dr. It'd be better to save up your money & eventually do that! I thought (when I was younger) that I would NEVER even consider it, but the older one gets, & you see the drastic things happening to you face, believe me, you reconsider the decision! I'd do it, IF I had the $!
And once I learned about world famous Dr. Amir & his "Vertical Lift" procedure & seen Many "before & after" photos & videos of his patients, that's exactly who I would go to for an "overhaul" of my face. Again, IF I had the $.
***CLAIR***
Can you look into the Time Master Pro Device & possibly do a review on it; especially any possibility of fat loss using it long term. I'm hearing Amazing things about it! It's not cheap, but it's also a multi device tool, & the "lifting" is supposed to be in a class of it's own! Thanks.
I’ve also seen some of those vertical lift before and afters. I’d love to interview Dr Amir on the channel!
I’ll make a note to look into the Time Master pro.
I've heard many people talk about fat transfer, but personally, I don't think it's a good option based on what I've heard. Here are a few reasons:
Variable results: Not all transferred fat cells may survive, leading to a partial loss of volume.
Unpredictable absorption: It's difficult to predict how much fat will be absorbed by the body over time, resulting in potential variations in the long-term outcome.
Uneven distribution: Changes in weight, whether from gain or loss, can cause uneven fat distribution, affecting the overall appearance of the face.
Regarding Dr. Amir and his Vertical lift, I've also come across information about it. However, the procedure comes with a hefty price tag, ranging from tens of thousands of pounds to as high as £70,000 if not higher. This is because it's not a one-size-fits-all approach; Dr. Amir emphasizes customizing the procedure to each individual's face. Dr Amir also mentioned that he spent years developing this procedure, and so it hasn't being in the field for long. As a result, there aren't many before and after pictures available. Understandably, the high cost and limited practical implementation may deter potential patients from trying it out. People generally prefer to avoid being the guinea pig for untested techniques especially when they isn't a lot of before and after pictures. I mean would you pay thousand of pounds for a technique that only be used on a handful of people.
@@theguest6127 I was just on his website he has a huge amount of before and after photos and I think he's being doing the vertical restore for quite a long time at least ten years. His prices were on the website a couple of months ago couldn't find on my recent visit. I added up the lower and upper face lift, eye lift, lip lift and I think it was close to $180K USD!
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I believe there might be a slight miscommunication in our understanding. Dr. Amir, is an experienced practitioner in the field of facial rejuvenation, and has dedicated years to honing his expertise in various procedures, including cheek lifts, facelifts, and more. However, the Vertical Restore is a recent addition to his tool box, born from a decade-long quest to address the specific concerns voiced by his patients.
Dr. Amir's stated that his concerns from patients led him to combine the different aspects of facial aging into a comprehensive procedure called the Vertical Restore which is culmination of ten to twelve years addressing these concerns. This approach as he puts it aims to address common signs of aging, such as the neck's transformation over time, the loss of volume in the cheeks, the drooping of the eyes, the definition of the jawline, etc. Additionally, it tackles the issue of the lower face, where collagen depletion in the cheeks can cause heaviness, and its all done in one procedure and not at different times since as he has stated the face doesn't age in segments.
The Vertical Restore was not available a decade ago, as it represents the culmination of Dr. Amir's efforts to integrate the individual techniques into a unified procedure, at best it has only be around one or two years which is why there are a limited number of before-and-after pictures specifically featuring the Vertical Restore, as it has only been in practice for a year or two.
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Even the Doctor himself has stated that the procedure is new.
@@theguest6127people see only before and after but they’re not showing them 10 years later as what I have heard from people that after certain years they’re back to where they were with a loss of a lot of money and a traumatic recovery plus all his before picture are with serious faces and no makeup and after pictures with smiley faces and full of makeup and that is not very honest for me