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  • čas přidán 5. 08. 2018
  • In this video I am going to reveal to you the best most underrated car that is both reliable and gets good gas mileage yet it doesn't have the premium that comes with buying a Toyota or a Honda. I will cover the reliability of the engine on these cars and any known or common mechanical issues you need to know about before purchasing a used vehicle like this.
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Komentáře • 764

  • @joseCalderon1976
    @joseCalderon1976 Před 5 lety +37

    I bought my 2005 Hyundai elantra brand new (stick shift) and now it has about 226k. No oil leaks and engine still feels great. The most reliable car I've ever had. And I drive it hard and barely taken care of it. Timing belt, clutch replaced once along with other things that have worn out.

  • @Efrain.34
    @Efrain.34 Před 6 lety +348

    Under rated channel, keep up the great content !!!

    • @jimmbobb
      @jimmbobb Před 6 lety +2

      Taco_Vato34 yes.

    • @ramtrucks721
      @ramtrucks721 Před 6 lety +3

      Its got almost 400K subs... Not underrated idiota

    • @tomjohns5146
      @tomjohns5146 Před 5 lety

      taco=if this car is soo good ? why they blow engines ?

    • @shawnlee664
      @shawnlee664 Před 5 lety +2

      Great channel but left out the most important part. Hyundai's 10 year 100,000 mile warranty toyota and Honda are too afraid to offer because toyota and honda might go bankruptcy servicing that warranty. Hyundai is so confident of its quality, hyundai can offer what toyota and Honda can't.

    • @PureSurgePro
      @PureSurgePro Před 4 lety

      Look at him now

  • @mattscott7037
    @mattscott7037 Před 6 lety +52

    I have been in the Automotive business for 20+ years and you really know your stuff. Keep up the great work. I like the videos and learn something new every time. Thanks

    • @maxwellemmanuel837
      @maxwellemmanuel837 Před 6 lety

      Do you know much about 2011 Hyundai azera??
      How reliable is it??

    • @mattscott7037
      @mattscott7037 Před 6 lety +1

      Maxwell Emmanuel. I don’t have a great deal of experience with those cars. However I do work for Kia though. They are basically the same company. The 6 cylinder engines have been fairly good as far as longevity in the Kia models. There is an issue with the 4cyl engines. Google SC147 recall. On certain years they have a 15yr unlimited mile warranty from original date of sale. If you want a good deal buy one of those cars in the year on the list. Good Luck with it if you purchase it.

  • @carrillo100100
    @carrillo100100 Před 6 lety +17

    I have 2010 hyundai elantra with 162k miles.
    No problems just simple maintenance like oil, timing belt etc...
    They are good cars like said on this video.

  • @ktanner438
    @ktanner438 Před 6 lety +113

    Tbh I watch these videos just because you sound like a pretty cool dude.

    • @marcoffs95
      @marcoffs95 Před 6 lety +2

      lmao same

    • @jimmbobb
      @jimmbobb Před 6 lety +4

      Haha I wouldn't mind having a 🍺 with him

    • @Marlon_J
      @Marlon_J Před 6 lety +2

      That engine failure problem with the 2011 Elantra seems to be an issue across different Hyundai's and Kia from 2011-2015. Which is a pitty as Hyundai and Kia reliability was doing well until that issue.

  • @britup1
    @britup1 Před 5 lety +22

    A coworker bought one with 285k on it with a 5sp and is still driving it as far as I know and has over 340k.

  • @jasonjohnson6065
    @jasonjohnson6065 Před 5 lety +5

    As a Mechanic myself I really enjoy this channel. You are very good at explaining what you’re doing. Good background research and leading to what you’re trying to explain. Good honest Mechanic! Thank you for teaching the people that there is good Mechanics out there.
    J

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave Před 6 lety +148

    This guy has great hair.

  • @RavishingBeyond
    @RavishingBeyond Před 4 lety +6

    Had the 4th generation. Bulletproof until it was totalled at 255k. Basic maintenance, timing belt changes, etc. One alternator. That's it. Terrific little car with lots of room.

  • @joshhall7410
    @joshhall7410 Před 5 lety +1

    I have a 2003 Hyundai Elantra. 200,000 miles and never had a head gasket issue. Still driving it!

  • @Alex-cn9uj
    @Alex-cn9uj Před 6 lety +5

    Great video! I own one of these cars and a beating the hell out of it and it's still working great. I never would have guessed a Hyundai would have made a car this reliable when I first purchased it.

  • @MerkinMuffly
    @MerkinMuffly Před 5 lety +147

    Don't let Kilmer know you endorsed a Hyundai.

    • @shawnlee664
      @shawnlee664 Před 5 lety +24

      That over the hill Kilmer with his outdated obsolete knowledge should be put in a retirement home. He doesn't know hyundai vehicles have 10 year 100,000 mile warranty which his beloved toyota can't offer because toyota is afraid such long warranty could bankrupt toyota. If you make crappy cars and provide long warranty, what do you think is going to happen?

    • @UrielX1212
      @UrielX1212 Před 5 lety +12

      Who cares. Kilmer isn`t god and his opinion isn`t worth much to me.

    • @Jolly.Mermaid
      @Jolly.Mermaid Před 5 lety +6

      Kilmer will have you unplug every sensor in your car lmao don't listen to him!

    • @damonreynolds6775
      @damonreynolds6775 Před 5 lety +16

      I've only heard him say he doesn't know a lot about Korean cars and doesn't care for them so can't endorse them.
      He did say he knows of kias with lots of miles.

    • @damonreynolds6775
      @damonreynolds6775 Před 5 lety +6

      @Jbog07 Except that isnt backed up by any statistic from any ratings agency or organization. Hyundai/Kia are right up there with every other major global brand fighting below Toyota/Lexus.
      Honda is a top brand with them only in lingering perception, not modern reality.
      From Carcomplaints to Consumer reports to motor trend to youtube mechanics like RandW here, everyone attests to Hyundai having not just stepped up, but arrived.
      And yes, that means imperfect.

  • @chrispotter2948
    @chrispotter2948 Před 5 lety +5

    Thank you for the great video! My wife bought an 05 elantra brand new before we met and it currently has 261k. I've done radiator, alternator, cv axles, O2 sensors, valve cover gasket, brakes and oil. I think it still has stock timing belt! It does seem fairly roomy and simple under the hood, I will attempt my first timing belt and water pump on it. Not daily driven so not in a hurry.
    Recently it was having bogged acceleration and after watching this video I did the $45 evap purge solenoid. Cleaned the MAF and throttle body while I was there and worked like a charm. Now it needs a windshield and some aftermarket headlamps as the stock ones fogged over pretty badly, but I tell ya what we're going to keep this car forever.

  • @willthethrill360
    @willthethrill360 Před 2 lety

    I have a '07 Elantra (HD, 4th gen), 205K miles, original engine and transmission. No major issues at all for 14 years old. Normal Maintenance items and intervals followed (Oil, Trans Fluid, Timing Belt and Water pump, brakes, fluids, etc...). Only replaced alternator, an evap canister, upstream O2 sensor, valve cover gasket, and light bulbs around the exterior. Never left me stranded. Would recommend for any 1st-time owners. Easy and cheap to fix also. Great video!

  • @konstantingeorgiev7668
    @konstantingeorgiev7668 Před 5 lety +2

    Here in Bulgaria they are used mostly for Taxicabs.

  • @martinhuang1750
    @martinhuang1750 Před 6 lety +8

    I drive a 3rd gen Elantra and it is a really good daily driver. Hyundai and Kia are doing so much better and their newer cars really shine. I wouldn't mind owning another Elantra for daily driver, and maybe get a Kia Stinger in the future too.

  • @MiguelRPD
    @MiguelRPD Před 6 lety +39

    I'm never gonna mess with another interference engine. Had a '93 Camrys belt snap and of course it was fine. But damn if it wasn't for the non interference engine, I'd be fucked.

    • @jimmbobb
      @jimmbobb Před 6 lety +12

      Miguel Angel Medina Rise You'd think they would have timing chains required for all interference designs. Belt + Interference = Diaster waiting to happen

    • @lab664
      @lab664 Před 5 lety +3

      @@jimmbobb Exactly, there should be legislation forcing manufacturers to use chains on interference eng ines!!

    • @williamkeith8944
      @williamkeith8944 Před 5 lety

      Good point

    • @khan199304
      @khan199304 Před 3 lety

      Now all the car companies using interference engines so it's going to be very hard to find one

  • @collinchampagne2047
    @collinchampagne2047 Před 5 lety +38

    No joke on the 2nd gen Elantra. My sister had a '99 model with the 2.0 and the automatic. She bought the car used with 16,000 miles on it from a couple that bought it new and always maintained it well. She didn't have much money at the time and with me being an ASE mechanic fresh out of school, maintaining the car for her was something I could do to help her out. That car was such a piece of crap. I maintained it meticulously. Full synthetic oil changes every 4K, transmission flush and filter every 30K, new air filter every 10K, etc. Every point of maintenance was done ahead of schedule. That car only made it to 130K before the engine had lost so much compression that it wouldn't run any longer. I replaced both CV axles twice, did a complete steering rack and front end rebuild, brakes 4 or 5 times, a top end rebuild, and a huge list of other things. The car had tons of electrical issues too and mystery squeaks and rattles. Even with their supposed increase in quality over the years, I have a very difficult time trusting Hyundai because of my experience with that car.

    • @collinchampagne2047
      @collinchampagne2047 Před 5 lety +3

      @mike brink Cavaliers/Sunfires can be good cheap transportation, but they do have their weak points. GM can build a decent powertrain on the whole and the 2.2 Ecotec and base 2.2 engines in these cars were pretty decent. The exception is the 2.4. They were more troublesome and although the 2002 to 2005 versions were better, they still had a tendency to leak/burn oil. I would avoid any with that engine. Both the auto and manual transmissions are pretty robust. The big thing about these cars is that they are built to a price, and a low one at that. The interiors are nothing but hard plastic, the seats are awful, there are phantom electrical issues, etc. Most of the issues you will have aren't serious ones, but be prepared for lots of "little" things. Every friend of mine that has had one has used it as a beater or work car. A good buddy had a 2003 Sunfire with a 2.2/auto. It went 200K before he sold it. Lots of sensors went bad, paint peeling, sloppy suspension, etc, but the engine was still strong and it got great mileage. Hope that helps.

    • @collinchampagne2047
      @collinchampagne2047 Před 5 lety +2

      @mike brink Haha, well I can't hate on Scotty for his love of Toyotas. I'm a fan as well. I've had many over the years, including '79, '81, '85, and '87 year model trucks. They rust like crazy but are just ridiculously tough. I bought an '05 Corolla brand new and put 480K on it before I sold it to a friend. Original engine, trans, and clutch. Just a couple starters, an alternator, and a few batteries. Still got 40MPG when I sold it. When it comes to domestics though, I'm a Ford guy. I drive an '04 Expedition and it's rock solid. The 5.4 2 valve engines get a lot of flak over spark plug issues, but it's really not a problem if you know what you are doing with them. Another car people would overlook is the Escort ZX2. I've had a couple of them and the 2.0 Zetec engine they used in them was great. The shifter would get sloppy in them kind of early, but they were actually really solid little cars other than that and they would get crazy mileage. I bought one for $800 a few years back, drove it for two years with no issues, and sold it for $1,000. I drove that car hard and even had some fun with it out in the fields on our farm a few times. It never missed a lick.

    • @koolkitties8552
      @koolkitties8552 Před 5 lety +8

      Newer Hyundais are miles ahead of the ones from the 90s.

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 Před 3 lety

      That's the 2nd gen that's why. Literally the worst of hyundai and why they were knom as the worst before. I got a 3rd gen and it's been super reliable.

  • @runningmole
    @runningmole Před 6 lety +6

    Agreed. Had a 2002 that I loaded 140mi a day commuting. Basic maintenance & 1 TPS sensor. Great car to load a bunch of miles on to & not worry about.

  • @MartinRiosArellano
    @MartinRiosArellano Před 6 lety +8

    Hyundai's cars nowadays are very good and reliable. I have a 2008 Sonata SE V6 with +140k miles and runs solid AF! Gas mileage is decent considering the HP and fun you get by driving it, sporty look, well equipped and roomy enough to sit 5 people comfortably. If you can't afford a Honda, get a Hyundai because they're as good as the above 😉

  • @jbpost52
    @jbpost52 Před 6 lety +28

    Thanks for filling us in on the best year and issues with the Hyundai Elantra. As always, I enjoyed the technical education you provide your viewers.

    • @youngd.3208
      @youngd.3208 Před 6 lety

      Well put, I agree! Great knowledge on this channel

  • @tacocruiser4238
    @tacocruiser4238 Před 6 lety +18

    OMG I just bought the 2018 Elantra a few months ago. I feel like I hit the jackpot after watching this video! Lol.

    • @dannyduds1058
      @dannyduds1058 Před 5 lety +3

      10 year 100k power train.. best warranty in the business.

    • @jmartyt9810
      @jmartyt9810 Před 5 lety +3

      I had a 2009 sonata that went 120k+ miles. Most reliable car I ever had. Unfortunately, it got totaled in an accident. I bought a 2018 elantra and it's been great.

    • @tacocruiser4238
      @tacocruiser4238 Před 5 lety +3

      @@jmartyt9810 according to Consumer Reports, the Elantra is the Hyundai's most reliable model.
      The main weakness of the Sonata is the direct injection.

    • @jmartyt9810
      @jmartyt9810 Před 5 lety +2

      @@tacocruiser4238, the 2009 sonata are not direct injection. If you stick with non turbo engines, they are decent and reliable cars. Problem is all car manufactures are going with turbo 4 cylinders and GDI to extract the most of fuel efficiency. As with all new tech, they need to learn all the issues with it, before "perfecting" it.

    • @hisownfool1
      @hisownfool1 Před 5 lety +3

      Likewise. I got the Value Edition. I was happy with the deal.

  • @mitaka81
    @mitaka81 Před 5 lety +2

    Thank you for the Great video, very informative and complete.Now I want to share my Hyundai experience. I bought 4th gen Elantra 2008 for $12,750 brand new July special deal. It was the basic model, no radio, no AC, no floor mats,5 speed manual. I drove it 7 year exclusively city driving(I deliver pizza), 125k miles. That car was the BEST CAR EVER. No issues, no problems, no complains, just get the key in the ignition and go.A few details I didn’t like in the car are the rear suspension is not designed well( very very soft) I swap a sway bar from the Elantra wagon model which help a little. The front sway bars don’t last more than 25k. I will recommend replace them with beck/arnley ones they are a little better than OEM. The transmission is a little clunky and the shifter is a little too lousy.However, this car is the best i ever had. Miss my Elantra

  • @waltschannel7465
    @waltschannel7465 Před 6 lety +2

    I like your thinking on this. I have always been interested in good looking cars that have an undeservedly bad reputation, that can be had at a decent price, and then fixed at reasonable cost. I had an 1981 Chevy Chevette that was like this. I paid 3K for one in 1985 that only had 16k miles on it. The known issues were clutch, muffler, and engine electrical. All three had simple cheap fixes. I got 9 years of hard use from that car. Total cost including all oil changes and tires was under $4K. I only got rid of it because I wanted a different type vehicle.

  • @matts6551
    @matts6551 Před rokem

    Just hit 248,000 miles on my 2007 Elantra 5 speed. I’m the 2nd owner, my aunt was the first. She gave it to me earlier this year. It’s been very well maintained and so far so good. I’m coming from a 08 Civic SI, that I put 186K on in 15 years as a daily

  • @philipallard8026
    @philipallard8026 Před 5 lety +1

    I currently drive a 2004 Hyundai Accent. I bought it new for my daughter and earlier this year she swapped cars with me to keep my grandkids safe. 16 years on the road and still passes inspection. A lot of stuff has gone wrong, but not the internals of the engine or transmission I have replaced door latches and window regulators and similar things, but Hyundai cars can give good service.

  • @TheLuisg92
    @TheLuisg92 Před 6 lety +5

    I agree a Hyundai Elantra can be a reliable, cheap and durable car, even if you don’t take great care of it. However, I don’t agree with the first and second generations not been reliable. Where I live, you see 1st and 2nd gen elantras with high millage that have been abused for years and still are in the road. My family ran an Elantra wagon for 8 years with minimal problems and never let us stranded. The car is still in use today, so they pretty good.

  • @Trident_Euclid
    @Trident_Euclid Před 6 lety +3

    My brother had the 5th gen and my my sister husband and my older brother have the 4th gen and all still running very well with very minimal issues. Much better than any cammry, corolla or Honda's.

  • @MrSlicer2424
    @MrSlicer2424 Před 6 lety +3

    I took your advice on cheap reliable cars and picked up a one owner 2003 grand marquis with 100k miles for 3k. I absolutely love it. I have put 11k on her without any issues.

    • @theroyalcrownedtiger2946
      @theroyalcrownedtiger2946 Před 5 lety

      Grand Marquis, very reliable, basically a rebadged Mercury version of the Crown Victoria.

  • @bryanziemski175
    @bryanziemski175 Před 6 lety +14

    I have 2001 Elantra 289,445 miles engine trans great just did evap solenoid driver door latch in and out is great car.

    • @brendame
      @brendame Před 5 lety

      Congrats on your high mileage 2001 Elantra!!! May I please ask if your Elantra driven in snow? Also, does it have a CVT transmission?

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 Před 3 lety +1

      What are you on? A CVT LMAO cvts were mostly out years later

  • @jahbay
    @jahbay Před 5 lety +2

    I have a 2003 Hyundai Elantra. Being a die-hard Toyota and Honda found this was a difficult purchase for me. That being said I must admit this is a good solid little car. I use it for a daily driver to avoid the wear and tear on my more expensive cars. It feels very solid in comparison to a Civic of the same year. The engine has good power and the car drives fine. Nothing fancy just good solid transportation, I would definitely recommend this car to a friend.

  • @cripplermaximus
    @cripplermaximus Před 2 lety +1

    I’ve had a Hyundai Accent, Elantra, and Sonata. All of them were great and sedan models. I’m in a 2013 Accent hatch now. Hyundai is underrated across the board.

  • @joshuascholing5764
    @joshuascholing5764 Před 5 lety +1

    I absolutely love my 2003 elantra. I bought mine for less than $2000 and it's been my daily driver for 3 years. This video is pretty spot on and have experienced a few of these issues myself. The top housing of the radiator is very fragile and ended up cracking at some point during its now 150k mile journey. It ended up being a fairly cheap fix with a quick run to a scrapyard. Recently I replaced the worn clutch for a newer one, but I dont foresee any more large repair bills any time soon.

  • @Daniel-tv9tb
    @Daniel-tv9tb Před 5 lety +2

    I purchased a low mileage certified 2018. Compared it with the Civic, corolla, forte, and Mazda 3... The Elantra was the best value and with more features. Also getting excellent mpg! Very happy so far.

    • @geolocx
      @geolocx Před rokem

      How is it doing after 3 years

  • @wbdill
    @wbdill Před 5 lety

    This type of video is gold! Best bang for the buck and telling us the typical problems to expect and how hard/easy each is to fix. Changing out a sensor is cheap and easy.... Until you have to take out a bunch of other stuff to get to it.

  • @gilalgem591
    @gilalgem591 Před 2 lety

    March 2022
    Because of this video! I got my Hyundai Elantra 2007 model today! with the 138***km of mileage .. I prefer reliable car than modern car designs nowadays !!
    Thanks for you buddy!

  • @RavishingBeyond
    @RavishingBeyond Před 5 lety +10

    I had an '08 Elantra that I took to 255k miles needing only 2 timing belt changes and a new alternator. Someone hit me and totalled it. The car is reliable as hell. I beat the hell out of that thing and I wasn't exactly keen about maintenance like I should have been. Engine and automatic transmission are terrific.

    • @ecoRfan
      @ecoRfan Před 4 lety +1

      Sounds like my time with a 2004 CR-V. Didn’t give it much mileage, just under 100k in 10 and a half years before someone totaled it hitting the side. Those cars become a personality extension, a clubhouse of sorts. I miss a lot of my old cars. Each has its own personality, some better than others. The 04 CR-V was among the best. And I hear the 08 Elantra is a great solid product. That was right around the time the Honda-loving Consumer Reports was starting to rate the Elantra near the top, a leap forward for Hyundai. This guy seems to think gen-4 Elantra is the best. And it’s good looking too.

    • @PureSurgePro
      @PureSurgePro Před 4 lety

      @@ecoRfan Those CR-V's are great, I personally have an Elantra but I know someone who has a CR-V which he has taken across North America on road trips. I don't know how many clicks it has but it has to be about 180k - 290k

    • @robmalcolm8042
      @robmalcolm8042 Před 3 lety

      @@PureSurgeProhondas are great cars so are toyotas. New ones of both tho not so much. gen 4 is the best according to ratings online it seems to have the least issues of all the hyundai I would say the timing chain in gen 5 was gold information as that would be super helpful. I have a gen 3 hyundai elantra 05.

  • @iamtherepairguy
    @iamtherepairguy Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you, Sir. Replacing the Transmission Speed Sensor was a cheap and effective fix. So many dumb mechanics told me to get a new transmission or to junk the car. Thank you, thank you!

  • @Pian_Malaya
    @Pian_Malaya Před 2 lety +1

    From this video, I just bought the 4th Gen Elantra known as Avante XD20 in Malaysia for my wife daily commute...Thanks Bro!..Such a good informative videos...👍🇲🇾

    • @MShah-ch6st
      @MShah-ch6st Před rokem +1

      Any complaint about XD20 so far? Is it reliable?

    • @Pian_Malaya
      @Pian_Malaya Před rokem

      @@MShah-ch6st Nope, so far so good, traveling up north to Penang and east coast Kuala Trengganu super comfort, few times to Cameron Highlands via Pulai and Tapah, countless times to JB with ease...but 1st thing when I bought it, changed the radiator unit to a new one, thermostat, all suspensions system front and rear, air cond condensor, and for the g.box, I maintain it with original ATF fluid together with additional treatment. So far I am very satisfied with the X20...🥰

  • @jmrodri69
    @jmrodri69 Před 5 lety

    LOVE this video. My sister-in-law gave us her 2003 Hyundai Elantra 5 speed for my son. It has 147,000 and I've been impressed with it. And this video confirms exactly what I've seen. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.

  • @ed-ology6575
    @ed-ology6575 Před 6 lety +1

    Best car info channel I have ever come across. You are extremely informative, giving us the exact answer we need to know concerning different types of vehicles. Keep up the great work your are doing. I will spread the word concerning your channel, everyone should subscribe to!

  • @palebeachbum
    @palebeachbum Před 5 lety +5

    I've always had a soft spot for the Elantra. It's always been a pretty good looking car for its time and seems like fairly reliable and cost effective transportation. Yes Civic and Corolla have been consistently more reliable, but they've also been very boring appliances for much of their run and cost A LOT more on the new and used market. I tend to root for the underdog.
    I bought a new 2018 Elantra, my first Elantra and first Hyundai. It has the 2.0L Atkinson 4cyl. It's been having a couple mechanical issues from day 1. The front suspension makes a creaking noise when I turn the wheel sharply to the right and go over uneven pavement. The other issue is that the engine has a problem with spark knock/pinging with moderate to heavy throttle, such as when getting onto the interstate. It's NOT an issue of bad gas. I've been thru half a dozen tankfuls from several different stations with top tier gas. I even tried running a tank of 93 octane, which lessened the issue, but didn't eliminate it. The dealership mechanics are pretty incompetent. On the first visit they said they heard the pinging, but couldn't do anything about it because the check engine light wasn't on. Apparently the extent of their knowledge is what is shown on a scan tool screen. The 2nd visit, 2wks later, they said they didn't hear the pinging. As for the suspension noise, they claimed they couldn't produce the noise. Brand-new car with less than 4,000 miles on the odometer and this is what i'm currently dealing with. I'm very disappointed. Hope I can pursue the FL lemon law if they don't get it resolved by the next visit.

    • @rolls_8798
      @rolls_8798 Před rokem +1

      all 'gas' in the US is bad gas
      but that's pretty unfortunate. my mum has a 2017 i30 active with the 2.0L petrol and it has had absolutely no problems, especially not with the engine. absolutely a great car and nice styling apart from the gaudy amount of fake leather rubber on the interior.

    • @palebeachbum
      @palebeachbum Před rokem +2

      @@rolls_8798 you missed the entire point that bad gas (that's short for "gasoline" in case you were confused) was not the cause of my engine troubles. It turned out to be faulty ignition coils which are a common issue with this engine in this generation Elantra. Beside that, the 6-speed automatic started having problems with hard shifting and erratic behavior. I finally gave up on trying to get issues resolved at the dealership with not much luck and sold the car in 2021, exactly 3yrs after buying it.
      We also got the i30 in the USA, but they called it Elantra GT. It has a different 2.0L engine than what was in my sedan. That engine is not on the Atkinson cycle and it has gasoline direct injection instead of multiport injection like mine.

    • @rolls_8798
      @rolls_8798 Před rokem +1

      @@palebeachbum I know what "gasoline" is, and I didn't miss your point, I was just mentioning how sucky your fuel is compared to everywhere else and how it often causes problems.
      I just related my experience with my mum's car and said it was unfortunate that you might have gotten Hyundai's 'bad egg'. That being said, I don't know if the 2.0l elantra engine here in au is any different from up there (I sort of assumed they all used the i30 engine tbh) but I haven't heard of any reliability issues with them or their kia cousins. of course, I haven't owned one and I don't personally know anyone who has, so maybe they're shitboxes and I just haven't realised

  • @jimmbobb
    @jimmbobb Před 6 lety +1

    My friend has a 2007 Elantra. It's manual transmission and fun to drive. She bought it used about 4 years ago and it's been a good car for her. I love my Accord but I wouldn't be opposed to driving a newer Kia (same engines, just look MUCH better IMO). I love the Forté circa 2010, which is an Elantra with rectangular headlights & taillights.

  • @poppyclypsenoir9156
    @poppyclypsenoir9156 Před 3 lety

    2005 Elantra Hatchback: 10 years, radiator=$140 self install. 15 years, CV joints=$280, installed at Miller's Trans. Rear shock rubbers were knocking, $75 each strut. Installed $100 at Gary's Garage. Prolly time for another belt, currently at 147,000m.

  • @papatorr3669
    @papatorr3669 Před 4 lety +1

    I owned one 2nd Gen Elantra and two 3rd Gen Elantras. I had good luck with them. I don't know why R&W compared these to Camrys twice and Accords once. These are comparable to Corollas and Civics, and they compare well. They each have their advantages and it's a matter of personal preference as to which to chose. But you might as well include the excellent handling Mazda Protege, and the staple Ford Focus. The Protege is the driver's choice. The Civic is the tuner's choice. The Corolla is the corporate commuter's choice. The Focus is the made in USA owner's choice. And the Elantra is positioned in between the Corolla and Protege, not being a tuner's or made in USA choice. I had seven Camry's and Elantras are inferior to and do not compete/compare to Camrys, or Accords.

  • @mikesbackyard6105
    @mikesbackyard6105 Před 11 měsíci

    We have a 2009 and a 2011 Elantra. The 2009 is about to pass 260k miles and the 2011 is about to hit 230k. They have been incredibly reliable and wonderfully cheap to maintain.

  • @dennisoverbey8246
    @dennisoverbey8246 Před 9 měsíci

    I have a 2007 Elantra with the 2.0 now has 176k and never had to do anything but normal oil change full synthetic. Change the filter at 5000 and oil and filter at 10000. Bought it with 11k on it and it has been a great little car. Air filter is a K&N so I clean and recoil it regularly. Never replaced the timing belt just plugs and belts for ac and alternator. It has the automatic and it has never been a problem. Doesn’t burn a drop of oil and the engine is clean no leaks anywhere. Just put new shocks and struts at 175k put ceramic pads at 80k. It is on the third set of tires. The last time we had a recall the dealer told us this car looks like it just rolled off the lot. 😁

  • @motopolak
    @motopolak Před 5 lety +2

    My opinion on the most underrated reliable econo-car is the Elantra's bigger sibling (Sonata) but MOSTLY from the 2006-2010 generation. I have a 2009 Sonata (generation code NF, with a refresh given for 2009-2010). The refresh updated the headlights, taillights, and a significant interior restyling.
    2.4L naturally aspirated engine (no turbo = no excess heat/wear)
    port injection (no carbon buildup on valves)
    timing chain (no timing belt to worry about)
    hard-to-find 5-speed manual transmission (no worries about trans, I'm still on original clutch @ 110k+ miles)
    175hp (more than enough to merge into traffic safely and get out of weird situations)
    30+mpg on highway (pretty good for a car of its size & age, and mine is even lowered w/ wider wheels)
    relatively modern design (pretty safe for current standards, has good crumple zones and airbags everywhere like seats and all the pillars)

    • @firellio070
      @firellio070 Před 5 lety +1

      Aleks Ulmer shh don't raise the value on these gems

  • @carlosedwardos
    @carlosedwardos Před 6 lety +66

    start a Patreon - so we can give you money - since your videos save us a LOT of money!

    • @pupupipichorrorelief4909
      @pupupipichorrorelief4909 Před 6 lety +13

      I doubt this guy needs money.think I heard he owns a dealership so he just makes these videos to help others.

    • @satoshinakamoto3890
      @satoshinakamoto3890 Před 6 lety +10

      I have no problem shooting a guy like Iman a couple of bucks guy is helpful and a hustler. I'm not a hater like pupchuiro the puto

    • @pupupipichorrorelief4909
      @pupupipichorrorelief4909 Před 6 lety +4

      I wonder where I look like a hater lol stay in school

    • @chinojarjos
      @chinojarjos Před 6 lety +4

      burrito rustler this guy looks like he is very humble in his heart.

    • @duke3326
      @duke3326 Před 6 lety

      he also booze alot

  • @SCX1718U
    @SCX1718U Před 5 lety +1

    Driven the 2nd generation facelift, it saved my life. Tough and reliable.

  • @goodday126
    @goodday126 Před 2 lety

    I have an gen 4, 2009 Elantra with 201,000 miles on it. I bought it back from my daughter who got a new car. Another issue on these cars is the $2 rubber steering couple goes out and causes the clunking noise, and you can replace this by yourself. However, you either need a scan tool that can do steering angle relearn ($200), or pay a mechanic to do it. It takes less than 5 minutes. This is a shim under bucket valve lifter system. All of mine passed the checks, which I almost couldn't believe. In contrast, my motorcycles need the cams off for shim replacement every 12k - 20k miles. Overall it is a very nice driving little car, 33 mpg, so it will go all the way to the end.

  • @isaac198428
    @isaac198428 Před 5 lety +2

    Watching this while sitting in my 2011 Hyundai Sonata that I’ve had for the past 4 yrs. Paid cash for the used car but 143k trouble free miles so far. Only need regular oil changes.

    • @ecoRfan
      @ecoRfan Před 4 lety

      Isaac Kamau the 2011 Sonata was groundbreaking. It took the world by storm. The Kia Optima was the lesser followed twin that might be even better, also redesigned by storm alongside Sonata for 2011.

  • @tomservo5347
    @tomservo5347 Před 6 lety +3

    I bought a 2nd gen Escort almost 7 years ago with 165k for $700. It's still my daily commuter albeit an eyesore. Great design by Mazda.

  • @01Elantraaa
    @01Elantraaa Před 2 lety

    This mans a legend, I love the 01 Elantra!

  • @situationmoney
    @situationmoney Před 6 lety +10

    I remember renting a Gen 3 Elantra and Gen 4 Elantra. These were very comparable to models from Toyota and Honda. I was impressed with these Elantras, so some years later I ended up buying a 2013 Elantra and 2017 Elantra. The 2013 is still running strong with only regular oil changes and maintenance. The 2017 is even more improved and is a better vehicle than anything offered by Toyota and Honda... The ticking noise and bearing failure in the Gen 5 Elantras was due to the use of aftermarket oil filters that caused oil restriction issues in the engine... Gen 5 Elantras were made for the 2011-2016 "model" years. The 2017 model year Elantra (Gen 6) was available for sale in January 2016 in North America... Glad to hear there are other Elantra fans out there...

    • @dustyrhoads9892
      @dustyrhoads9892 Před 6 lety +2

      I bought a 17 Elantra in December and love it. I have the 2.0 Atkinson. Solid car.

    • @robertkeefer7791
      @robertkeefer7791 Před 6 lety +1

      I have a 2015 Elantra GT. 40,000 miles. No problems with it. I use Mobil 1 with factory filters. The car runs smoothly and quietly. No vibrations. Comfortable for me.

    • @carrillo100100
      @carrillo100100 Před 6 lety +2

      2010 hyundai elantra with 162k miles.
      Im a fan of hyundai.
      Good cars.

    • @agustinrey1505
      @agustinrey1505 Před 6 lety

      I have a 2013 with 94k and it's been great for now.

    • @Trident_Euclid
      @Trident_Euclid Před 6 lety

      Two of my brother have Elentra's 4th and 5th gen's. Very reliable despite they drive them a like a work truck they have very minimal issues.

  • @fundiver198
    @fundiver198 Před 5 lety +1

    An old car blowing its head gasket is not really even an issue or a weakness. Its completely normal. My 1998 Corolla did that as well, and oh yeah also cracked its radiator. All cars will eventually need some repairs, and yes that also include Toyotas.

  • @hansy3
    @hansy3 Před 5 lety

    Mr. Ratchet! Love your work. As a matter of fact I have heard a strong tick- more of a knock in my 2014 Elantra (1.8l) for some time upon cold start summer or winter (I am in central Canada). It has less than 25,000 mile on the clock....
    I took it in for regular service last week and mentioned it- they gave me the strong impression that it was not unheard of. The dealership said they’d go after Hyundai for the cost of repair. We will see, I’ll try to remember to update this comment with the results. Cheers!

  • @wyattoneable
    @wyattoneable Před 6 lety +45

    Great editing and always top notch information.

  • @eddiesmaize3814
    @eddiesmaize3814 Před 5 lety

    I have a 3rd gen @ 185,800 miles and I got her when she had 126,000. She runs like a DREAM. Solid car and besides regular maintenance and belts, I’ve only have had to replace the radiator and the thermostat. I deliver pizza and the reliability on this car is ridiculous.

  • @davidm5707
    @davidm5707 Před 6 lety +6

    First, the Toyota competition for the Elantra is not the Camry, but the Corolla.
    Anecdotally, we've had three Elantras, and they were mostly great. Hyundai learned how to make reliable cars around 1998, so our 2000 was very reliable. I didn't think it would last out the note, but we paid it off and gave it to our daughter, who gave it to our son.
    We had two 2004 GTs, and mine was great. My wife's did have cooling problems once. The radiator cracked and was replaced , but continued to overheat. Finally the mechanic heard a hissing, and it was the thermostat housing that was cracked. Then it was fine.
    So we love Hyundais, although we have a Kia now (same thing).

  • @closertothetruth9209
    @closertothetruth9209 Před 6 lety +24

    Latest models are pretty good, early models were very ordinary

  • @icantw8
    @icantw8 Před 6 lety +7

    My brother had a 2001 Hyundai Elantra that completely went out at 145k after he bought it at 91k miles. While he drove it, the whole car kept rattling and felt like it was running on its last leg.
    I bought a 2000 Honda Civic around the same time at 147k miles and I sold it at 158k miles 2.5 years later with no problems. Only had to replace the distributor. I would definitely go for Honda/Toyota over Hyundai but the later models do seem to be picking up value-wise. You can get a 2011 Elantra for the same price as a 2009 Civic, even though it's a newer design.

    • @MetronomeSenpai
      @MetronomeSenpai Před 5 lety

      The Hyundai lasted 54k miles for your brother while the Honda you had only lasted you 11k miles before you sold it...not a fair comparison

  • @kevinlong7515
    @kevinlong7515 Před 4 lety +1

    How about the Sonata? The 02-05 have very long lasting engines and the 06 -09 or 10 also seem very reliable with very little maintanence needed.

  • @mitch1078
    @mitch1078 Před 5 lety +2

    2014+ Elantras with the 2.0 engine have 5W-20 oil but it's too thin. Very important to switch to 5W-30. The owners manual shows this as option but I found it to cure any issues before it got too late.

    • @DeutschNick
      @DeutschNick Před 4 lety

      Depends on where you live bro. If you live in a hot climate use 5W-30. I live in Canada where its cold so 5W-20 is better for the freezing temperature.

  • @jimdavis8804
    @jimdavis8804 Před 5 lety

    I have a 2013 Sonata . We bought it new. We replaced the battery and tires. It’s been flawless. We had a Elantra and it was awesome as well. We needed a truck for towing my Fifth wheel camper. I will buy another. I can afford to buy any car but I will buy a Hybrid.

  • @rickyb8636
    @rickyb8636 Před 5 lety

    I looked at a new Elantra in 2003 vs the Corolla S. I chose the Corolla and I'm glad I did. It was bullet proof reliable and we got a crazy good trade in value for a new one in 2010. Good video, though. I like your channel.

  • @Dwrecksk8Yo
    @Dwrecksk8Yo Před 5 lety

    The funny thing is when you talked about this car it sounds like the escort zx2 when you talk about the 3rd generation Elantra. Don’t get me wrong I love my zx2 and in my opinion the Zetecs with exhaust vct are extremely reliable even when not maintained as long as u at least maintain the cooling system properly cause I’ve seen zx2s with well beyond 200000 miles that probably would have lived a lot longer with regular maintenance. Love watching your videos because of your fundamental understanding of the principles governing cars and the industry surrounding them your able to have a well rounded and informative channel with an obvious and capable nuts and bolts aspect as well. Keep up the great work man !

  • @ojelectrichvac
    @ojelectrichvac Před 6 lety +8

    Based on Scotty's 50 years experience this is all wrong. Hahaha. I am subscribed. Thanks for your time making such videos.

    • @carrillo100100
      @carrillo100100 Před 6 lety +3

      yootoob explain why im i still driving my 2010 elantra with 162k miles.

    • @Marlon_J
      @Marlon_J Před 6 lety +2

      Scotty will tell you to only buy a Toyota! I get we're he is coming from, as Toyota makes the most reliable cars, but you can find decently reliable cars from other manufacturers too.
      I own a Hyundai and love it. The engine is reliable, but they make some cheap, flimsy door handles and inside plastic trims that break easily. I rather that than the egnine breaking though.

    • @carrillo100100
      @carrillo100100 Před 6 lety +2

      Donald J. Trump your suppose to drive american brands if you want to make america great again.

  • @Bdog0820
    @Bdog0820 Před 4 lety

    I currently have a 2008 Elantra with 148,000 miles. Most reliable car ever. Only issue I have is that none of the passengers can roll down their windows, only the driver can which is fine for me and at around 140,000 the flip gate for hot and cold air broke. The part was only 75$ but labor cost a bit more since it wasn't the easiest thing to get to. Other than that this car has had zero problems. Never seen the check engine light yet!

  • @chaddamron3877
    @chaddamron3877 Před 6 lety +3

    Got a 2006 kia spectra - very similar - Havnt had to do anything but new clutch - very dependable

  • @Billtokarski
    @Billtokarski Před 6 lety

    I have an 06 KIA Sportage that has been super reliable. Put over 100k of hard Manhattan stop and go miles on it with no non maintenance repairs. I see lots of them and their corporate cousins the Hyundai Tucson with over 250k still running on Craigslist and other sites.

  • @brianressler569
    @brianressler569 Před 4 lety

    My 2013 Elantra has an engine that ticks a little when it's cold, I've heard of a bunch of people having the tick on the same car though and they drove the thing up to 200k + miles, I guess it's a matter of how well maintained the car is too, one can only hope great video man, the only encouraging thing is I have a warranty that should cover a bad engine if it is gonna blow up one day haha

  • @Shishizurui
    @Shishizurui Před 5 lety

    hyena.... my boss has an 05 elantra she wasn't in a good mood when it nearly killed her going to work, i was listening in and heard that it cost her 1200$ at a shop to get the steering rack fixed after probably 2 weeks of the dealer playing with themselves ; honestly hyena is a good brand if you want a cheap new car you don't mind throwing away in several years, and lack the faith to buy a used car.

  • @fsb1284
    @fsb1284 Před 5 lety +1

    I remember feeling (slightly) sorry for the Japanese when the Gen-5 Sonata came out in the US. Hyundai is not perfect, but it is severely undercutting Toyota and Honda as the “kings” of simple, low-operating-cost cars.

  • @geraldsutherland3635
    @geraldsutherland3635 Před 4 lety

    FYI The 2007 Elantra and Spectra had transmission failures. My Spectra transmission had to be replaced at 4.5 years old. Turns out my mechanic had a 2007 Elantra and the transmission had to be replaced as well. My transmission was replaced under warranty.

  • @singlehelpandpurity9867

    Hi my name is Aaron I've worked at a mechanic shop I've seen several Hyundais and Kia's with bad rod and Main bearings do to a defective crankshaft Kia and Hyundai have paid out millions of dollars to correct this problem putting new newmotors in every car that had problems.😃 that is if you knew your car was among the cars under the recall they kept it pretty well hushed up

  • @nomebear
    @nomebear Před 5 lety

    My buddy has a 2007 with 410,000 miles on his Elantra. He's never touched the a/c, power steering, but replaced the clutch and heads.(He didn't change the timing belt.) It's running, parked in the driveway.

  • @Marathon13240
    @Marathon13240 Před 6 lety

    My co worker loves his kia spectra what has the same engine, his is a 05 with 200k miles with the original engine and trans. One thing he does religiously every 3k miles is 3 bottles of royal purple, a bottle of lucas and a mobile one filter and that car runs smooth as butter and is by far the most quiet and smoothly running car I've seen with 200k miles.

  • @josiahcriswell5585
    @josiahcriswell5585 Před 6 lety +1

    Got a lemon with the 3rd gen... Head gasket... She stayed running for 10+ years. Last scene at a dealership getting traded in. Probably gone to auction

  • @ravdeepsingh8440
    @ravdeepsingh8440 Před 6 lety +4

    Sir it's heartly requested please make one more video on top 10 cars for college students keeping affordability, reliability,efficiency, satisfaction in mind. I am waiting for reply

  • @nomebear
    @nomebear Před 6 lety

    A friend has a 2007 model with 438,000 miles on the original engine and transmission. His car has a 5 speed manual works as a courier and drives like an old lady. He is really cheap when taking car of maintenance on the car and yet it's been a durable ride. The a/c works and and it's reliable. It's now living in his garage and is a backup to his newer Jeep Liberty which is a POS.

  • @garysoria169
    @garysoria169 Před 6 lety

    Thank for all your unbiased option and information on vehicles that I believe you have thoroughly investigated. Thanks again !!

  • @fireblazer6661
    @fireblazer6661 Před 5 lety

    I've got a Toyota Matrix, I got for 14,500 all in, with 57,000km on it (bit pricey because of interest/fees)... If I were to buy NEW, I'm hearing that Nissan Micra are a very decent little car. They come in around 12,400 dollars (with the alloy cool rims). That's 12,400, out the door. Canadian dollars. That's taxes/freight/PDI... cheap. AND they have a 1.6 liter DOHC, 5 speed. You'll pay 4000 more for an automatic (but who would want that).

  • @leodalkey651
    @leodalkey651 Před rokem

    I understand that the engines and transmissions in these gen 3-4 cars was outsourced to a factory that also made engines/transmissions for Toyota. So they are indomitable. Hyundai first truly successful car was the Tiberon. Made famous by drift racers. They were known to come on a very solid platform. The makers of the Elantra wanted to build on that success so the Elantras came on a similar platform but designed for a front wheel drive. A relatively wide wheelbase on a solid frame and a good suspension design. At only 2700 pounds curb, these are nimble little economy cars. The only issue I've run into is they used a lot of cheap plastic under the hood, so I had to replace the headlight assemblies on both sides and the back ones too. Very cheap and easy to fix. Best of all you can get a good one for about 2800. Absurdly cheap for what your buying.

  • @coiledsteel8344
    @coiledsteel8344 Před 5 lety +1

    Continuously variable valves? Head gaskets? My problem with these cheaper cars is - They tend to attract people who don't do regular maintenance!
    Any make and model can have problems though.

  • @CarswithNash
    @CarswithNash Před 5 lety +1

    I’ve had a few Accents I really enjoyed. I really like the last part of your video about new cars being unproven, I actually made a video about why old cars are better & that was one of my main points. Same goes for the safety of new cars, they can do great in the crash test but could have a deadly future recall lurking within!

  • @dg7438
    @dg7438 Před 4 lety +1

    I can attest to this. I have an '07 Elantra limited 5 speed (the unicorn) and super reliable. It's my 2nd car but take good care of it. Amazing gas mileage. The suspension is weak though and there is updated rear shock from factory.

  • @Scott1tothe7
    @Scott1tothe7 Před 6 lety

    I had a 2003 Elanta back in 2006 with 33,000 miles. I put another 100K miles on it with any issues, it was a great car.

  • @carpenterfamily6198
    @carpenterfamily6198 Před 5 lety +1

    So the 4th generation Elantra 2007-2010 likely to be most reliable ? @6:30

  • @curiosity2314
    @curiosity2314 Před 6 lety

    Absolutely without question! I have both the 2010 and the 2014 can't ask for better.

  • @TheDailyConversation
    @TheDailyConversation Před 6 lety +3

    Hey R&W, I tried checking out your Patreon from your channel page and the link is broken...just a head's up.

  • @lurkndog
    @lurkndog Před 6 lety

    I'm currently driving a 2003 Hyundai Elantra GT, the hatchback version of the car. Bought it when my 99 Honda CR-V bit the dust at 235,00 miles, and I needed dirt cheap basic transportation.
    So far it has been solid, apart from an annoying vibration at highway speeds. It probably needs some suspension work. It had 106K miles on it when I bought it, hoping to get it past 200K.

  • @bmw803
    @bmw803 Před 5 lety +1

    This whole "reliability" debate has become a marketing gimmick and a tool for bias towards a particular brand. A car is only reliable on an individual basis. Someone might buy a Honda and plenty of problems (or not) and another person buys the same vehicle from the same company and has plenty of problem. Or someone buys a Toyota that's a lemon and another person buys a GM car and has no issues whatsoever.

  • @Pause0
    @Pause0 Před 4 lety

    Thank you very much for this information, a neighbour of mine is selling her 4th generation elantra and this reassured my decision to make an offer!

  • @jwa10
    @jwa10 Před 6 lety

    I agree with everyone (many) comments in that this is very high quality content. You deserve to be rewarded. Can you monetize this somehow...?

  • @antoniosilveira3660
    @antoniosilveira3660 Před 4 lety

    So best bet , fourth generation ? My try one in the future, LOL I’m a big guy that likes small cars, also want to be good to the environment and drive a fuel efficient car makes me feel better

  • @stukkak1976
    @stukkak1976 Před 5 lety

    I had the j2 1.6. One of the most reliable cars i ever owned. Very economical and comfortable too.

  • @lovegodessmls28
    @lovegodessmls28 Před 5 lety

    Here is one hard fact with the elantra. If the car is maintained great, you will get a great deal buying this little beater car. But in MOST cases, its extremely rare. My 2004 elantra was very very poorly taken care of by the previous owner. I replaced so many things on it and it broke down so many times. After all the work that i put into it, it is extremely reliable and have had absolutely no problems since. I have 216, 000 miles on it and if i sold it to someone tomorrow they would buy it off me in a heartbeat. Simply because it was well maintained by me after the fact. My advice, if you dont know much about changing parts or cars and dont like going to the mechanic for stuff, this USED car will not be for you. If you want it, you better know for a fact that it absolutely was maintained well.

  • @randomvideosn0where
    @randomvideosn0where Před 5 lety

    My dad had an Elantra, didn't change anything except tires, brakes, and oil. At 220k the O2 sensor went out and it ran fine until my sister took it into a tree at 235k.

  • @evelynrodriguez8652
    @evelynrodriguez8652 Před 5 lety

    I am a toyota and honda fan , but there was a great deal from a Hyundai dealer so we bought a brand new 1999 automatic elantra and it went to over 125,000 miles before we had to replace the alternator and was given to a relative after that . I loved the car . i did also buy a new 1993 civic and that car was great i had to replace the headlight at 100,000 and the next item was at 150,000 and after that it needed distributor, alternator etc etc it just kept on breaking down and finally died at around 190,000 miles , i leased a 2015 civic and i didn't like the ride but i didnt have any problems but it only had 30,000 miles when i returned it . my roomate bought a 2015 camry automatic also and i love the car , it drives nice and it has no problems its at 69,000 right now . I was so impressed with the Elantra and upset with myself that i didn't lease it instead of the civic , because i would have kept it .last year we had 3 broken down cars with cvt transmission , worst car ever 2007 dodge caliber with a bad transmission at 65,000 miles , sad because i had a 1972 pinto and that was even better than the caliber and the pinto was horrible.