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@@johnnyl.4468 Probably none, the metallurgy alone was decades ahead, then the flight computers are pure magic by comparison, they might figure out jet engines quicker, but it would take years to decipher how the f22 functions.
That went surprisingly well for the P-51. Of course this was the best scenario for it, but to see that the P-51s strengths still match some of the best modern day aircraft is truly impressive.
In WW2 German pilots in the invasion of Poland were told hit the polish bi planes on the ground, do NOT get in a dogfight with them because they can turn on a dime.
@@GVK-jm9sg that was extreme over confidence on the part of the F22 pilot. One thing I was always told by old WW2 pilots I was friends with (RIP). There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are very few, old bold pilots.
First time viewer and I have to say I’m glad dude was persistent. I’ve always wondered about WWII craft vs modern gen. Subscribed now in the hopes for a P-38 Lightning (11:1 kill ratio in the Pacific Theater) vs anything modern.
This shit won't work. P-51 is somewhat agile and capable of dogfight. P-38 was good only because they have been used it in big masses and when they had an advantage of speed.
@@MariaCorrea-mr2gy So you're giving the P-38 all the advantages? If I was piloting F-35 against P-38, I'd say "screw you" to the "turn only" rule and just climb high and then dive down at the P-38. It can't keep up in climb, and neither against a diving jet.
The Raptor intercepting the p-51 probably cost more than the p-51 itself I looked it up and today the p-51 cost around 9 times as much, but producing it cost 7 times less than the missile.
the pilot was more expensive than both though, which is why you don't see countries swarming each other with the 3000 black jets of allah and bankrupting the enemy over air-to-air missile costs
I just got to see both an F-22 and a P-51 flying in formation together a few months back at an air show at Ellsworth Air Force Base here in Box Elder South Dakota. That was the coolest thing I've ever seen. It made me sooooo happy!
GS is the epitome of "It's not the plane it's the pilot" After dunking on the entirety of the DCS catalog with the F22 you turn around and dunk on the F22 with a freaking warbird What can't you do?
The random rolls you're getting in the turn are accelerated stalls. You can minimize them, and decrease your turn radius by using flaps. The flap extension speed for the first notch is 450 mph IIRC. If you go vertical or you're trying to get some energy back, get rid of them, but otherwise those are invaluable. Source: flight instructor.
Ah thanks for the info dude i have the same problem but i could find a way to search it i have one more slight problem if i put my flaps im lossing too much speed and i could stall out and not able to recover it falling like a leaf although i know the counter vertical stabilization in the left or in the right respectively
I would imagine that the same could apply in something like IL-2 right? it is also very highly simulated so I have to imagine such factors should be similar.
@@commandergeokam2868 if you're slowing down that much, you need to unload the wings, defeat the stall, clean up the flaps if necessary, and get some energy back.
@@wruenvadam yeah, it works. Hell, it works in warthunder. Flaps artificially reduce AoA at the cost of energy, and so they allow for you to continue turning when you would normally stall due to airflow seperation.
Yep. I didn't understand why the Raptor wasn't using his main advantage (other than the Sidewinders) of speed to make slashing attacks on the Mustang. Come in at speed, take a shot and then climb. The Mustang shouldn't be able to match the climb.
@@longshot7601 Its like someone with an AR-15 tried to do a spinning jump quickscope, tripped, and someone ran up and stabbed him. " See!!!! knives are just as deadly as a battle rifle!"
@@reboundrides8132 This. A lot of people here dont realize there had to be parameters for this fight limiting the raptor. For instance in a rate fight with the p51 hit the afterburner get ur 500knts and go vertical, fights over for the p51. Same thing from the start. On the merge hit the afterburner go vertical stall the p51 and roll over. Definitely limits set on the raptor
I think you're gunnery skills are amazing, but you're killing me with the rising turns! Even if the P-51 needs an alt advantage, it's made more as a strike and runs, so forcing the F-22 into a diving turn would have given you the energy to return to the original altitude a bit. Obviously, you did great regardless lmao, the veterans would be proud
The moment where you were like "my engine isn't dead so I should be good to land" *next clip cuts to the 51s engine seizing and sully big eyes* 😂 I haven't laughed that hard at a video in awhile. You've got yourself a sub sir lol
The damage in the engine probably lead to a overheat, that lead to a catastrophic failure, probably by some piece that broke and all engine went jamm. I saw something like this in a car, it's scary AF. Sully clenched so hard, probably could make diamonds with the pressure.
@@flyingscotsman9657 One Vulcan has about double the rate of fire as 4x20mm cannon on a FW-190 A6 for example. Half a Vulcan is still a lot of firepower, even if the muzzle velocity is 30% lower ;)
Dunno about anyone doing that, but it would be a much harder matchup. IR imaging, colossal advantage in armour and firepower, much better mobility in any scenario. Best bet, I think, would be something with a huge gun with HE shell that can lay in ambush and get one shot in side or rear. Best 'tanks' for this, from the top of my mind, would be either the Sturer Emil or the ISU152. Big guns, huge HE shells, can have a low profile (hull down for the Sturer Emil; its pretty huge otherwise).
Aye, aircraft have to be somewhat fragile; other considerations like speed, manouverability, stealth, carrying ordanance etc. trumps making the aircraft impervious to damage, which is likely to be impossible anyhow. I think big WW2 HE shell is the way to go; most modern AT missiles have 5-10kg warheads with advanced penetrating capabilities. The ISU-152s shells, by comparison, are not any form of advanced, but they are HUGE; the HE shells carry almost 30kgs of explosive filler..... I dont care what you're riding, you're gonna feel it! Of course, a frontal shot on any kind of M1 is futile; at best you'll hit the gun and render it inoperable, but thats not a recommended course of action with WW2 sights and accuracy..... But a side or rear shot, engine and tracks can be damaged, and if you can make an M1 a sitting duck, well, both the Emil and the ISU doubles as artillery pieces and can pull back to pummel it with artillery shells until those inside have either fled or died. Funny thing is, one disadvantage the M1 has is that it requires more or less direct line of fire - quite a few WW2 guns, especially the big ones that doubles as artillery pieces, has significant shell drop and can lob shells in ways the M1 just cant.
@@bjrneirikstrkersen1021 - Ukrainians regularly use their tanks in an indirect fire role against Russian army. With the help of UAV for fire correction and custom fire control software they manage to hit the targets at up to 8 km. I am quite sure that M1 could do the same if needed.
@@lattegremo6016 but there is quite a minimum distance for the M1 though, like 8 km is probably the smallest distance a fairly modern tank can 'lob' a shell.
It wouldn't even be closer. Modern tanks armor is way more advanced. They are faster and more maneuverable. But the big differntiation is that they can target better and engage in more environments and distance. The only way a WW2 tank would have a shred of a shot is if they had numbers and an ambush. Lots of people have analyzed this.
I'll be honest: I have no idea how you figured out a guns solution on the fly for a F22. It flies faster than anything you'd ordinarily need to lead with those .50 cals, and the .50s need to lead more than the higher velocity 20mm. The fact that you put trigger down for about a second, watched the tracers, and found a guns solution is honesly kind of ridiculously incredible. Even if he lost sight, I imagine a lot of otherwise competent P51 players would have alerted the Raptor pilot with a few misses and caused him to jink.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Luck is what others call skill when they don't have any. It was a great shot from a very good pilot, take it for what it was GS :D
raptor pilot made a big mistake going nose high and staying slow after he lost sight. should've gone full burner and gained speed before climbing. staying slow is the only time a warbird would've have a chance against a raptor.
How cool was that first dog fight, it was like a movie, enemy makes a mistake and crashes but wounds the pilot, while bleeding out and trying to circle to the airfield the engine cuts out and glides to a landing with damaged gear! Love it!
Do you realize the cost to effectiveness ratio from this? For one F22 we could just have 185 Mustangs and totally dominate!! The be real though, pride killed that Raptor pilot.
I guess the Russians will need to go back to old WW2 planes mode. Spam 10k of them and the whole NATO countries will have a hard time shooting them down 😂
Round 1 face plant was a $300 million mistake. I love it. Your skills GS is amazing. Nobody has a chance against the F22 but you turned him into a lawn dart. Great landing, you walked to the hospital. Round 3 was beautiful too.
In my humble opinion, a definite top 5 in the most entertaining category of your video's. Love the "ok, here we are on the deck ..... in a rate fight with a raptor" enough said! Good job Bud
That's awesome. Seeing two planes, the best of their times, in a dogfight. It's legit challenging your grandfather to a dogfight. This matchup had sentimental value to me. Great flying.
@@dylan4972 Not to mention the soviets Yak-3 which was outstanding in dogfights it probably had the best turning maneuverability than any other aircraft. The p-51 was very good and it’s multitask jobs wether it was tankbombing or dogfighting it sure was good at for it
As a dogfighter? Probably the F4U, or spit, maybe one of the german prototype push pullers. The warbird was a long range heavy escort fighter, a bit hindered in flight performance by this necessity.
I'd love seeing a nicely done Douglas A-1 Skyraider for something like DCS. Would fit well with a lot of the Vietnam era stuff. Give you some fun ground attack, and some desperate defensive dogfights.
2 of those did kill 1 MIG in Vietnam. It’s a History Channel ‘Dogfights’ episode, if I recall correctly, (NOT titled ‘Long Odds’, my error is corrected by O-50-50 below), The episode was titled ‘gun kills of Vietnam’.
No way... I damn near jumped out of my seat watching you hose down a F-22 the last round. I’m absolutely dying laughing 🤣 you are a flying cheat code GS
Obviously the rules of engagement were that the F-22 couldn't go into the vertical and use it's speed and climb advantage as you said before. It was still great to see the one circle and two circle fight. The man in the crate always makes the difference. Just like the P-51 pilots in WWII that managed to shoot down Me262s.
@Prestallar This is true. Early jet engines had horrible spool up times and throttle management was all pilot skill. No FADEC or any engine management computer.
Pretty much all 262 kills were low down where the 262 really struggled against slower, more manoeuvrable fighter. At altitude it could just boom & zoom.
@@nathanfox6388 That is assuming that the P51 is recognized as a hostile fighter. At the speeds and altitudes it would operate at that is surprisingly unlikely, ESPECIALLY considering it's continously large radar cross-section compared to modern fighters. It just doesn't look like a military aircraft on radar.
I was watching a video of some F-16/F-18 fighter pilots on a panel discussing what it would be like to fight a P 51 and pretty much all of them said they would not wanna try it in a slow fight. Essentially they would just choose to shoot it from beyond line of sight
Boom and zoom tactics and the P51 would most likely be toast while the jet can just keep making passes at it using the power and speed to its advantage and shoot it to peace's... And that is without even using the heat seeking missiles.
@Admiral Kipper modem heat seekers such as the aim 9X douse the seeker with liquid nitrogen (very cold in liquid form), and so any engine heat difference will be easily picked out from the surroundings
@@thejhonnie piston engined aircraft do have a smaller radar crosssection due to raw size difference and radar boucing off curvatures in the body, although the side of the plane, radiators, and tail is pretty flat for radar returns - radar was used effectivly in WW2 in both the European and the Pacific theater to detect aircraft
Not the rout I would have expected- you lived long enough in the first round to see him make a fatal mistake AND made a good landing in a crippled Mustang. In the second round he had to resort to missiles to get you- effective but not sporting. In the third you shot him down fair and square.
I like the slomo of round 3, you can really tell that he completely tore up the engines, the ailerons and the rudders. Even if the F22 could still fly he wouldn't be able to maneuver.
@@Man0War I mean I don't know what it's like in dcs world but in x plane I usually fly a little under the glideslope and pitch up more. Honestly once you get a good pitch, usually around 10-15 degrees and maintain that pitch just open and lower the throttle to gain or lose speed while constantly descending and maintaining that 10-15 degree pitch idk if that made any sense
@@Man0War I wasn't good either when I first started, I just days and days and days of just landings, until finally I was getting the hang of it. it's really all a matter of practice until you get it right kind of thing.
@@ian_lewono apparently the p51 had a tighter turning circle and the best turning plane was the De Havilland Mosquito - ultimate multi role aircraft I looked it up on google and its mixed answers between the spitfire, p51, mosquito, yak 3, etc. So I'm guessing at low altitude the spitfire was the better Turner, and at high alt the p51 was the better turner? Don't really know
@@ricksanchez8469 no, they were all about speed, not turn fights but speed that's why they sent out the f4u instead of the p51, cuz it was all about energy in the pacific, not dogfights
@@kingviper3444 even now if like a wwi biplane we're to do a turn test against a modern jet I think we all know who would win If you don't check out GS MK2 video on the Fokker Dr1 triplane pulling a cobra
A very entertaining video. Everyone needs to remember that dogfighting in the jet era is the last resort. We all saw what happened here when missiles come into play, and that is the tactic spot them before they spot you and kill them BVR before they know you are there. Ran out of missiles? Do what the other guy can't- go higher.
I really love your videos and the depth of understanding of the capabilities of different aircraft and weapon systems and also the history of flight. I am going to end up asking you for a full education soon. Please keep the content coming, I really enjoy the content on this channel
All he needed to do was extend out about 10 miles and come around on your 6. You wouldn't know what hit you. Love the P-51D. That sound of a fly by is unreal.
Smart man, quit while you were ahead 2-1. The first kill was a little questionable, but there’s no denying you totally killed him the second time. Good shit.
maneuver kills definitely count, if you can get the bandit to maneuver into the ground in relation to you or depart flight and not recover before they crash, you just scored a win
Great performance, especially since Mustangs were involved in D-Day, 78 years ago. What better way to commemorate that moment than by a victory over the F-22.
Always remember guys, doesn't matter how old some planes are, a 50 cal is a 50 cal. Cross the nose at your own peril, because a P-51 probably absorbs that kind of damage about as well as any 5th gen jet.
@@GonzoDonzo oh yes indeed, but at least the P-51 managed to gain a fighting chance in a tighter dog fight. If the F-22 was really making a serious attempt to kill the P-51 it would not only do what you said but would probably try to deny the P-51 the merge in the first place. Just sending missiles would be enough for the F-22.
@@StaleCrony I have to think on this one tjey may have planed it or agreed to some speed format. If you look at the attitude of the f22 it appears as if it is nose up trying to prevent a stall in most of the dogfights. If it were real, hit the ABs and climb and then just dive. But again, I really think they agreed to some condition of fight.
@@AbsoluteyAmerican perhaps, it seems like that’s exactly what they may have done. Realistically the F-22 has many things that it can do to avoid getting hit by the P-51. Maybe it really did have one arm tied behind it’s back, maybe their agreement was to remain bellow a certain speed and altitude in order to give the P-51 a chance to stay within the turn circle. It actually makes a lot of sense. It does make me wonder though, if the F-22 was restricted then I want too see a version of the fight that the Raptor gives it it’s best attempt every time. I doubt the P-51 will have a chance but it sounds fun to view.
I think people forget that within living memory, aircraft like the P-51 and Spitfire were absolutely lethal state-of-the-art technology. This video highlights to me not so much how aircraft have evolved, but war has evolved. That F-22 can perform a myriad of different roles above the modern battlefield, but when it comes to proper VR dogfighting those engineers from 100 years ago still take some beating.
@@pr0skis Well, my idea was that in a guns only dogfight between the A-10 and for example a Fighter, the Fighter would climb away and then attack it from above, keeping his speed. But with missiles he can't do that well unless he defeats both of them. With that the A-10 has a chance.
Watching these videos really highlights the importance of being able to see and fire from a distance is so important vs actually fighting them. Opened my eyes
Had a great uncle who was a Mustang driver in WWII. That was impressive and awesome victory especially on 78th Anniversary of D-day. He would have loved this.
Fighting over Guam! That was actually, I think, the University of Guam where he crashed @ 04:24. That running track is right next to a condo where I used to live.
First fight: Target fixated and saw nothing BUT the P-51 in his sights. Third fight: Lose sight, lose fight. As it always has been and always shall be. I also think you put bullets into his cockpit. Regardless, awesome fight as always.
The F22 just looks so damn intimidating, it doesn't matter what angle you look at it. I can't imagine going up against one of those in anything less than one of those alien fighters from the Independence Day movie. Also; F22 vs. Alien fighter from Independence Day please.
That would have been a good scene until the Aliens spewed out in ridiculous numbers like a swarm of mosquitoes. It was like 2000 V about 50...that spoiled the scene a lot I think.
Ummm. You know of the yf-23 right? It literally was the f22s competitor, the only reason why it lost against f22 was budget. Otherwise the plane looked way more sexy and intimidating and not to mention outperformed the f22 in every single category, literally all of them….except the slow fly by drills
Really not surprising, ww2 planes were true dogfighters. Lower speed and high maneuverability will win the day in the turning fight. Jets win with speed and in the vertical. Had I been in the F-22, I’d have just used that speed to dictate the fight. Dive in on a gun or missile run, take a shot, climb away out of reach, circle around above, spot, turn in, and dive down again. Repeat till dead. As pilots of old always said, speed is life. If you got a speed advantage, use it. Especially against a target with no missiles to shoot back.
If the Raptor pilot wanted to, I'm sure they could make it a no contest fight with missiles + vertical. But I think they wanted to try and make it interesting, and I respect that! I probably wouldn't have enjoyed the video as much if the Raptor pilot just went textbook and made all the objectively correct decisions! ^^
@@Wildeskraut really? How do you figure? Because in my mind, dog fighting ended with the perfection of missile technology. Fast forward to Korea in 1951-53 and the primary weapon for the F-86 and Mig-15 were still guns, no missiles, which meant they were still dog fighting in the skies. It really wasn’t until Vietnam where we saw missiles taking over in air-to-air kills. Long story short, I fail to see how you can say dog fighting ended during ww2 when the technology that effectively ended most dogfights didn’t really become relevant until a couple decades after.
So basically if an F-22 flew through the Bermuda Triangle, got caught in a time warp and went back to 1946, the pilot suffered brain damage, and a P-51 happened to spot it while on patrol, this could happen.
Round 1 is so cinematic. Gives off some type of "mad pilot travelled in time to kill his grandfather" or something like that but the mustang wins and becomes town hero.
This is far more interesting than I thought it would be. Like almost every domain, this goes to show that specialized analog still has its place in the world of multi-function digital technology.
Looks like Mr. Putin should invest in a bunch of P-51s. ;-) Of course a real F-22 Raptor would NEVER let itself get into a visual range turning fight with a piston aircraft.
I love these videos because of how unique and unpredictable they can be. You really have no idea how things can turn out. More of these please! Love your work.
Watching you survive getting shot by the raptor, only to watch the raptor fly straight into the ground and kill itself made my chin drop. That was absolutely amazing.
Your right, the only reason you have any chance is because hes staying close and turning with you. If you just put you in the dust he could let the missiles do the work.
That was amazing fun, i've always said the old planes were built to last! It had your usual great flying with a comedy death but that landing in round 1 was tense! :D If this is going to be a regular thing, I'd love to see a Spitfire Mk2 vs a Eurofighter Typhoon. Cheers!
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Hasn't the F-22 killed just about every jet now? I think you gotta go through all the warbirds now.
Mosquito VS Pucara
F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk
F-15 STOL/MTD VS F-16I Sufa Fox2 dogfight!
SA342 Gazelle VS Super Tucano air to air missiles!
MB-339 Aerimacchi VS Viggen
T-45 Goshawk VS F-14 Tomcat
MIG-28 VS MIG-29
AV-8 Harrier VS MIG-23 Flogger
F-86 Sabre VS SU-25 FrogFoot
MIG-19 VS MIG-21
AH-64 Apache VS Mi-24 Hind
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Lol I've been at it with these request for quite a while!😅
Next Ukrainian mig 29 vs russian mig 29 please
F-22 Raptor VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR!👍👍
F-22: "Stealth technology, I can slip right through your radar"
P-51: "I'm not equipped with any radars"
F-22: ????????????????
Nani?!
Time for the old P-51 to teach his grandson a lesson!
We like to call it the “old fashion way.”
Wanda: "what radar?"
Surely that is a reference to The Superhero movie 🤣 "My blade can cut through diamonds" "I'm not wearing any diamonds!"
Next up: Cessna 152 VS the entire US airforce
I'm hedging my bets on the cessna, the cessna is clearly the ultimate tenth gen star destroyer
The Cessna will clap the entire US Air Force, it’s just too good.
Cessna vs sr71
Hahaha:)
Unfair fight. Cessna would obviously win.
I thought Maverick in an F-14 defeating a SU-57 was insane, turns out this man is the real Top Gun
Top Gun 2.5: Piston Sidewinder
Any better title would be appreciated.
It's not the plane....it's the pilot.
It wasn't insane. It was just cringe. Felt like the movie ran out of ideas and went "welp, time to act retard now"
Don't think....just do.
*PROCEEDS TO GUN DOWN F-22 WITH A MUSTANG*
Like a chad
If a pilot from that era were to be in this scenario somehow and saw a F22 devoid of any markings, I'm certain they would believe that was a UFO/UAP.
Actually I would agree with that. That’s a pretty good assessment.
@@johnnyl.4468 Probably none, the metallurgy alone was decades ahead, then the flight computers are pure magic by comparison, they might figure out jet engines quicker, but it would take years to decipher how the f22 functions.
@@leftnut7508 Jet engines were already a thing in WWII.
@@benn454 He doesn't say that jet engines did not exist.
@@johnnyl.4468 who is to say they didn't ( ͡° ل͜ ͡°)
Alternate title: When the USAF Heritage Flight gets way out of hand.
I laughed way too hard at that 😂
😂
Oshkosh 2023 be wildin
I like that one.
Omg
The meme when the engine stopped was hilarious.
Awesome vid, I did not expect you to ever do this, thank you and have a great day :)
You crazy son of b*tch, you did it!
At long last, the legend may rest.
So... day 1 of asking GS to do a GAZ AAA milk truck versus an F22?
👀
lmfao
*Pilot gasping violently for air*
GS: “Yeah I think this fight went really well”
Considering he just downed a raptor using nothing but manoeuvring, in grandpa's ww2 propeller plane, him even making it back at all is a huge win.
@@Megan-ii4gf There's a purple heart, distinguished flying cross, and DD-214 ready for him on the ground lmao
Staniel B that disability check gonna hit different.
@@stanielb2005
....and a ticket on the next smoking thing back to the States!
That went surprisingly well for the P-51. Of course this was the best scenario for it, but to see that the P-51s strengths still match some of the best modern day aircraft is truly impressive.
The P 51 has a much sharper turning radius. Of course, still very impressive. I
F22 still easily out turns everything the difference in pilot skill was just huge
In WW2 German pilots in the invasion of Poland were told hit the polish bi planes on the ground, do NOT get in a dogfight with them because they can turn on a dime.
@@imjustspeakingfactsbro4189 Nope. The F-22 cannot out turn the P-51. No sir.
@@foobarmaximus3506 couldnt the F22 just bvr the shit out of him?
I don’t think you could reasonably explain to someone this battle from the ground, let alone seeing the Mustang essentially get a maneuver kill
That was a lucky kill let’s be honest
@@GVK-jm9sg that was extreme over confidence on the part of the F22 pilot.
One thing I was always told by old WW2 pilots I was friends with (RIP). There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are very few, old bold pilots.
It’s not the plane … it’s the pilot!!!!! Lolol
“Sir you can’t park there”
yeah it was surprising, especially considering how the f-22 appears to usually not give a shit about gravity or the laws of physics
I just appreciate the fact that GS is willing to do the silly shit his fans come up with, deadset legend
Not TO silly, evidently.
It worked.
@@greggstrasser5791 oath, im genuinely impressed he had that level of commitment lol
I freaked out when I saw this comment because we share first and last names. I thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a second.
@@SHARDK2 haha freaky shit
P51 is legendary....
First time viewer and I have to say I’m glad dude was persistent. I’ve always wondered about WWII craft vs modern gen. Subscribed now in the hopes for a P-38 Lightning (11:1 kill ratio in the Pacific Theater) vs anything modern.
Welcome to the channel man
This shit won't work. P-51 is somewhat agile and capable of dogfight. P-38 was good only because they have been used it in big masses and when they had an advantage of speed.
P-38 lightning vs F-35 lightning 2. Dog fight, turn only with only guns.
Let's see if the kid isn't a disgrace to the name.
@@MariaCorrea-mr2gy So you're giving the P-38 all the advantages? If I was piloting F-35 against P-38, I'd say "screw you" to the "turn only" rule and just climb high and then dive down at the P-38. It can't keep up in climb, and neither against a diving jet.
@@Laerei I mean, obviously. You could also just speed out, then speed back in over and over again until you get a hit.
That missile was propably more expesive than your P51
The Raptor intercepting the p-51 probably cost more than the p-51 itself
I looked it up and today the p-51 cost around 9 times as much, but producing it cost 7 times less than the missile.
@@apex_blue you can deside, starting the f22 egines ir buing a p51 back in the day xD
the pilot was more expensive than both though, which is why you don't see countries swarming each other with the 3000 black jets of allah and bankrupting the enemy over air-to-air missile costs
@@DeeSnow97 at least western pilots eastern pilots are questionable
@@DeeSnow97 everything about military is just fucking expensive, from personal training to the equipment
I don't think I've ever seen an F-22 hit anything as hard as that f-22 hit the ground in DCS. WOW.
Fun fact. It hit so hard it went all the way to China and that’s how we got the J-20
@@creepycraiyons3519😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I just got to see both an F-22 and a P-51 flying in formation together a few months back at an air show at Ellsworth Air Force Base here in Box Elder South Dakota. That was the coolest thing I've ever seen. It made me sooooo happy!
GS is the epitome of "It's not the plane it's the pilot"
After dunking on the entirety of the DCS catalog with the F22 you turn around and dunk on the F22 with a freaking warbird
What can't you do?
lose
@@tnhl77 Apache VS F-22
Apache wins.
@@DSiren As long as GS is flying it, I don't doubt it
Rafale 😇
@@DSiren "oh god merged I'm taking him one circle"
The random rolls you're getting in the turn are accelerated stalls. You can minimize them, and decrease your turn radius by using flaps. The flap extension speed for the first notch is 450 mph IIRC. If you go vertical or you're trying to get some energy back, get rid of them, but otherwise those are invaluable. Source: flight instructor.
Ah thanks for the info dude i have the same problem but i could find a way to search it i have one more slight problem if i put my flaps im lossing too much speed and i could stall out and not able to recover it falling like a leaf although i know the counter vertical stabilization in the left or in the right respectively
I would imagine that the same could apply in something like IL-2 right? it is also very highly simulated so I have to imagine such factors should be similar.
@@commandergeokam2868 if you're slowing down that much, you need to unload the wings, defeat the stall, clean up the flaps if necessary, and get some energy back.
20 degree flaps can make the difference. In IL-2 at least
@@wruenvadam yeah, it works. Hell, it works in warthunder. Flaps artificially reduce AoA at the cost of energy, and so they allow for you to continue turning when you would normally stall due to airflow seperation.
Dude, if that engine seized up any sooner, it would have been a tie. 😂 What impeccable timing.
“It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot.”
Fantastic job GS!
THOSE ARE 5TH GEN FIGHTERS
@@DeSadGuy bro those two kills we’re lucky you know that was the pilot
@@DeSadGuy
If you quote Topgun, you gotta put a Dollar in the Beer Fund bowl.
Yep. I didn't understand why the Raptor wasn't using his main advantage (other than the Sidewinders) of speed to make slashing attacks on the Mustang. Come in at speed, take a shot and then climb. The Mustang shouldn't be able to match the climb.
@@longshot7601 Its like someone with an AR-15 tried to do a spinning jump quickscope, tripped, and someone ran up and stabbed him.
" See!!!! knives are just as deadly as a battle rifle!"
"We are in a rate fight, on the deck, with a Raptor: It doesn't get much worse than this." True words that had me literally laughing out loud. 🙂
And then be proceeds to outrate it, forcing it vertical, and into a fatal divebomb.
Ya but it is only a simulation my man always acts like his actual aircraft is on the line
That's the kind of optimistic friend we all need.
@@reboundrides8132 This. A lot of people here dont realize there had to be parameters for this fight limiting the raptor. For instance in a rate fight with the p51 hit the afterburner get ur 500knts and go vertical, fights over for the p51. Same thing from the start. On the merge hit the afterburner go vertical stall the p51 and roll over. Definitely limits set on the raptor
5:12 "As long as we have the engine, everything should be fine..."
*y o u s h o u l d n ' t h a v e s a i d t h a t . . .*
Seems realistic actually. I know they use A10’s in dog fight training against f22’s etc because the A10 actually has a surprisingly sharp turn radius.
A10 🤮
@@MrRushhour4 that thing is the most badass plane ever created
@@pyro7358 Its also complete outdated junk, that has been obsolete for over a decade
@@MrRushhour4 and yet it has more kills in the last 20 years then any other fighter/CAS jet
@@YOSHI450R against tents and toyotas...
hearing the pilot crying and struggling to keep the blood out of his throat broke my heart
nah he's just overcome with emotion from taking down an f22. Best day of his life.
I think you're gunnery skills are amazing, but you're killing me with the rising turns! Even if the P-51 needs an alt advantage, it's made more as a strike and runs, so forcing the F-22 into a diving turn would have given you the energy to return to the original altitude a bit. Obviously, you did great regardless lmao, the veterans would be proud
The moment where you were like "my engine isn't dead so I should be good to land"
*next clip cuts to the 51s engine seizing and sully big eyes* 😂 I haven't laughed that hard at a video in awhile. You've got yourself a sub sir lol
The damage in the engine probably lead to a overheat, that lead to a catastrophic failure, probably by some piece that broke and all engine went jamm. I saw something like this in a car, it's scary AF.
Sully clenched so hard, probably could make diamonds with the pressure.
@@brunoks6951 he was leaking oil all over.
I was laughing my ass off. This dude is awesome to watch. Very precise in the way he assesses situations.
But that part was hilarious 😂
I enjoyed the end of the landing roll to see the oil pouring out of the engine.
hit with a Vulcan and still makes it home in true old American fashion, the pilots back then were simply built different
Heck hit with 2 missiles and didn’t even explode. Crazy
P-51's are no strangers to taking 20mm cannon fire. German aircraft had 2 if not 3 of them mounted on the 190 and 109's depending on the model.
@@kindofawizard8681 the fire rate also matters - a Vulcan has a far, far higher fire rate than German WW2 20mms
@@kindofawizard8681 Zeroes carried a 20mm as well.
@@flyingscotsman9657 One Vulcan has about double the rate of fire as 4x20mm cannon on a FW-190 A6 for example. Half a Vulcan is still a lot of firepower, even if the muzzle velocity is 30% lower ;)
"You were good, kid, real good. But as long as I'm around, you'll always be second best. See?"
We saw F-14s vs. Zeros. So why not?
"The Final Countdown"
@@pogo1140 Gloriously filmed without CGI.
He might be hopeful but damn if he isn't dedicated. Respect to that man and his patience haha!
I kinda wish we had a tank equivalent of this. Would be really interesting to see a WW2 tank go against modern stuff.
Dunno about anyone doing that, but it would be a much harder matchup. IR imaging, colossal advantage in armour and firepower, much better mobility in any scenario. Best bet, I think, would be something with a huge gun with HE shell that can lay in ambush and get one shot in side or rear.
Best 'tanks' for this, from the top of my mind, would be either the Sturer Emil or the ISU152. Big guns, huge HE shells, can have a low profile (hull down for the Sturer Emil; its pretty huge otherwise).
Aye, aircraft have to be somewhat fragile; other considerations like speed, manouverability, stealth, carrying ordanance etc. trumps making the aircraft impervious to damage, which is likely to be impossible anyhow.
I think big WW2 HE shell is the way to go; most modern AT missiles have 5-10kg warheads with advanced penetrating capabilities. The ISU-152s shells, by comparison, are not any form of advanced, but they are HUGE; the HE shells carry almost 30kgs of explosive filler..... I dont care what you're riding, you're gonna feel it!
Of course, a frontal shot on any kind of M1 is futile; at best you'll hit the gun and render it inoperable, but thats not a recommended course of action with WW2 sights and accuracy..... But a side or rear shot, engine and tracks can be damaged, and if you can make an M1 a sitting duck, well, both the Emil and the ISU doubles as artillery pieces and can pull back to pummel it with artillery shells until those inside have either fled or died.
Funny thing is, one disadvantage the M1 has is that it requires more or less direct line of fire - quite a few WW2 guns, especially the big ones that doubles as artillery pieces, has significant shell drop and can lob shells in ways the M1 just cant.
@@bjrneirikstrkersen1021 - Ukrainians regularly use their tanks in an indirect fire role against Russian army. With the help of UAV for fire correction and custom fire control software they manage to hit the targets at up to 8 km. I am quite sure that M1 could do the same if needed.
@@lattegremo6016 but there is quite a minimum distance for the M1 though, like 8 km is probably the smallest distance a fairly modern tank can 'lob' a shell.
It wouldn't even be closer. Modern tanks armor is way more advanced. They are faster and more maneuverable. But the big differntiation is that they can target better and engage in more environments and distance. The only way a WW2 tank would have a shred of a shot is if they had numbers and an ambush. Lots of people have analyzed this.
I'll be honest: I have no idea how you figured out a guns solution on the fly for a F22. It flies faster than anything you'd ordinarily need to lead with those .50 cals, and the .50s need to lead more than the higher velocity 20mm. The fact that you put trigger down for about a second, watched the tracers, and found a guns solution is honesly kind of ridiculously incredible. Even if he lost sight, I imagine a lot of otherwise competent P51 players would have alerted the Raptor pilot with a few misses and caused him to jink.
I wish I could take credit for that but I think there was a lot of luck involved in that shot.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Luck is what others call skill when they don't have any. It was a great shot from a very good pilot, take it for what it was GS :D
raptor pilot made a big mistake going nose high and staying slow after he lost sight. should've gone full burner and gained speed before climbing. staying slow is the only time a warbird would've have a chance against a raptor.
@@GrowlingSidewinder call it luck, we have about a thounsand vids from a guy that has the same name as you proving that it isnt luck
How cool was that first dog fight, it was like a movie, enemy makes a mistake and crashes but wounds the pilot, while bleeding out and trying to circle to the airfield the engine cuts out and glides to a landing with damaged gear! Love it!
Very Memphis Belle of him
Pretty close to the battleship movie
Yeah, it really couldn't get much more dramatic than that! It was fantastic.
The engine seizing solid and torque reaction just about twisting the wings off was pure gold
Jaw actually dropped at the F22 crash and that Sully meme was hilarious
Very poggers video length
Do you realize the cost to effectiveness ratio from this? For one F22 we could just have 185 Mustangs and totally dominate!! The be real though, pride killed that Raptor pilot.
the Raptor pilot was clearly being cocky
in terms of hardware yes perhaps, but the cost of training 185 pilots to fly them is another story ;)
I guess the Russians will need to go back to old WW2 planes mode. Spam 10k of them and the whole NATO countries will have a hard time shooting them down 😂
@@locutus9956 Training would be easy and cost would be cheap. We'll just get Growling Sidewinder to teach them on nice PCs.
Zach Branningan tactics: "I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down"
The epitome of “it’s not the plane, it’s the pilot.”
[Insert AMRAAM Here]
I know the f22 was only allowed fox-2s but still lol
Round 1 face plant was a $300 million mistake. I love it. Your skills GS is amazing. Nobody has a chance against the F22 but you turned him into a lawn dart. Great landing, you walked to the hospital. Round 3 was beautiful too.
The P-51 is in my eyes one of the most beautiful prop planes ever built.
got to love that Merlin howl.
He'll yeah
110% fact.
i love the p51 but i also show love for the spitfire but i definitely adore the p51 too much.
Ahem
7:21
I was waiting for some type of Thermonuclear explosion to the P-51 on the runway LOL
In my humble opinion, a definite top 5 in the most entertaining category of your video's. Love the "ok, here we are on the deck ..... in a rate fight with a raptor" enough said! Good job Bud
I've been laughing at the engine failure of the Mustang since the video dropped.
5:27 - 5:50 is some of the funniest stuff I've seen on the channel.
lol yeah it cracked me up so hard.
I audibly laughed
I rewatched it like 5 times I was trying so hard not to lose my shit in my work cube 😂
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"It's not the plane, it's the pilot"
-Rooster
That's awesome. Seeing two planes, the best of their times, in a dogfight.
It's legit challenging your grandfather to a dogfight. This matchup had sentimental value to me. Great flying.
I wouldn’t say the best for the 51
@@Isaiah-oj6zm what was the best in your opinion and why do you think that?
Best of their times??? Lol, good joke
@@dylan4972 Not to mention the soviets Yak-3 which was outstanding in dogfights it probably had the best turning maneuverability than any other aircraft. The p-51 was very good and it’s multitask jobs wether it was tankbombing or dogfighting it sure was good at for it
As a dogfighter? Probably the F4U, or spit, maybe one of the german prototype push pullers. The warbird was a long range heavy escort fighter, a bit hindered in flight performance by this necessity.
I'd love seeing a nicely done Douglas A-1 Skyraider for something like DCS. Would fit well with a lot of the Vietnam era stuff. Give you some fun ground attack, and some desperate defensive dogfights.
well we have p-47... probably flies pretty similarly but with more primitive loadout.
@@jinchoung It’s not about the flight performance but the actual aircraft for the time period
2 of those did kill 1 MIG in Vietnam.
It’s a History Channel ‘Dogfights’ episode, if I recall correctly,
(NOT titled ‘Long Odds’, my error is corrected by O-50-50 below),
The episode was titled ‘gun kills of Vietnam’.
@@kahlrhoam6769 yes, a good old guns blazing head on attack if i remeber correctly
@@kahlrhoam6769 It wasn't Long Odds. It was actually the episode titled "Gun Kills of Vietnam".
4:55 Erich Hartmann also got shot down many times but always managed to land in a way he survived
This just shows how dangerous WWII planes were in the right hands.
they were built for gun dogfights
but f22 can shoot p51 from 100km away
yeah, but they dont even come close to being a threat to an f22
Yes they can totally destroy F22 they're like 6th gen fighters.
@@killzor7714 1 AMRAAM is nearly the cost of the P-51 engine, f-22 against 200 mustangs in BVR is what i call a fair fight
No way... I damn near jumped out of my seat watching you hose down a F-22 the last round. I’m absolutely dying laughing 🤣 you are a flying cheat code GS
Lmao going back after watching the Su-57.. bro I’m dying after the “ohh that was horrific” 😂😂
Obviously the rules of engagement were that the F-22 couldn't go into the vertical and use it's speed and climb advantage as you said before. It was still great to see the one circle and two circle fight. The man in the crate always makes the difference. Just like the P-51 pilots in WWII that managed to shoot down Me262s.
It also want a BVR engagement, which is how this would play out in a real scenario. The P-51 would never see the raptor
@Prestallar This is true. Early jet engines had horrible spool up times and throttle management was all pilot skill. No FADEC or any engine management computer.
Pretty much all 262 kills were low down where the 262 really struggled against slower, more manoeuvrable fighter. At altitude it could just boom & zoom.
@@richardbryan6349 still a problem with spooling up, that's probably why the video showing the habit's of a jet ac's not a WW1 or WW2 pilot
@@nathanfox6388 That is assuming that the P51 is recognized as a hostile fighter. At the speeds and altitudes it would operate at that is surprisingly unlikely, ESPECIALLY considering it's continously large radar cross-section compared to modern fighters. It just doesn't look like a military aircraft on radar.
I was watching a video of some F-16/F-18 fighter pilots on a panel discussing what it would be like to fight a P 51 and pretty much all of them said they would not wanna try it in a slow fight. Essentially they would just choose to shoot it from beyond line of sight
Boom and zoom tactics and the P51 would most likely be toast while the jet can just keep making passes at it using the power and speed to its advantage and shoot it to peace's... And that is without even using the heat seeking missiles.
What's the title of the video ?
@Admiral Kipper could just use radar guided but even then idk..I don't pretend to understand the finer details of radar guided tracking 😂
@Admiral Kipper modem heat seekers such as the aim 9X douse the seeker with liquid nitrogen (very cold in liquid form), and so any engine heat difference will be easily picked out from the surroundings
@@thejhonnie piston engined aircraft do have a smaller radar crosssection due to raw size difference and radar boucing off curvatures in the body, although the side of the plane, radiators, and tail is pretty flat for radar returns - radar was used effectivly in WW2 in both the European and the Pacific theater to detect aircraft
3:04
I love how the P-51 is kinda screaming in sheer despair rating and circling with a Raptor. This is some legit meme potential!
“When she’s way outta your league” 😂
Not the rout I would have expected- you lived long enough in the first round to see him make a fatal mistake AND made a good landing in a crippled Mustang. In the second round he had to resort to missiles to get you- effective but not sporting. In the third you shot him down fair and square.
Even in a Raptor: lose sight means lose the fight.
Round 2 was just pure unadulterated rage. Not only did he give GS BOTH 9Xs, he then gunned GS TWICE.
yup the second round was just a pure rage fight on part of the Raptor pilot, very dishonourable
always lay down machine gun when anticipating nose-to-nose with the enemy.
I like the slomo of round 3, you can really tell that he completely tore up the engines, the ailerons and the rudders. Even if the F22 could still fly he wouldn't be able to maneuver.
That no engine landing though! Nicely done!
Finally! I've wanted to see this fight for so long everyone was like he'll never do it lol
Even I thought I’d never do it lol
Honestly, I really enjoyed this, I wonder if you could do more of these. I’d watch all of them.
@@GrowlingSidewinder while you’re probably listening, I’ve never been good at landing and getting a good approach angle. Any way I can improve this?
@@Man0War I mean I don't know what it's like in dcs world but in x plane I usually fly a little under the glideslope and pitch up more. Honestly once you get a good pitch, usually around 10-15 degrees and maintain that pitch just open and lower the throttle to gain or lose speed while constantly descending and maintaining that 10-15 degree pitch idk if that made any sense
@@Man0War I wasn't good either when I first started, I just days and days and days of just landings, until finally I was getting the hang of it. it's really all a matter of practice until you get it right kind of thing.
The ground remains undefeated!
Love the way that the P-51 barely manages to escape that first fight
The spitfire I think had the tightest turning circle, i wonder if it could beat an f22 in a dogfight?
Are you sure? I feel like there was something out there that could outturn the spitfire
The Japanese planes had a tighter turning circle
@@ian_lewono apparently the p51 had a tighter turning circle and the best turning plane was the De Havilland Mosquito - ultimate multi role aircraft
I looked it up on google and its mixed answers between the spitfire, p51, mosquito, yak 3, etc.
So I'm guessing at low altitude the spitfire was the better Turner, and at high alt the p51 was the better turner? Don't really know
@@ricksanchez8469 no, they were all about speed, not turn fights but speed that's why they sent out the f4u instead of the p51, cuz it was all about energy in the pacific, not dogfights
@@kingviper3444 even now if like a wwi biplane we're to do a turn test against a modern jet I think we all know who would win
If you don't check out GS MK2 video on the Fokker Dr1 triplane pulling a cobra
A very entertaining video. Everyone needs to remember that dogfighting in the jet era is the last resort. We all saw what happened here when missiles come into play, and that is the tactic spot them before they spot you and kill them BVR before they know you are there. Ran out of missiles? Do what the other guy can't- go higher.
I really love your videos and the depth of understanding of the capabilities of different aircraft and weapon systems and also the history of flight. I am going to end up asking you for a full education soon. Please keep the content coming, I really enjoy the content on this channel
this is one of the most entertaining videos I've ever seen on this channel, and that's quite a high bar.
I appreciate your support brother.
This was such a blast to watch, the barely able to land and actually being able to get a vastly more expensive and advanced fighter. Almost movie like
We would roll our eyes if it was a movie to be honest lol
All he needed to do was extend out about 10 miles and come around on your 6. You wouldn't know what hit you. Love the P-51D. That sound of a fly by is unreal.
Smart man, quit while you were ahead 2-1. The first kill was a little questionable, but there’s no denying you totally killed him the second time. Good shit.
Manuever kill is manuever kill!
maneuver kills definitely count, if you can get the bandit to maneuver into the ground in relation to you or depart flight and not recover before they crash, you just scored a win
Agreed. If your enemy doesn’t make it home and you do, that’s always a win.
Great performance, especially since Mustangs were involved in D-Day, 78 years ago. What better way to commemorate that moment than by a victory over the F-22.
What a beautiful kill in the third round. Awesome slo-mo shots
That landing was most tense thing I have seen in months.
3:45 “You can’t beat me, Mustang”
“I know, but he can…”
*F-22 crashes into the ground*
Always remember guys, doesn't matter how old some planes are, a 50 cal is a 50 cal. Cross the nose at your own peril, because a P-51 probably absorbs that kind of damage about as well as any 5th gen jet.
Fantastic, people often forget how capable older fighters really are. Those fights were awesome.
Well the f-22 is making it a fight and giving the p-51 a chance. It could just outclimb and dive on the p-51 with impunity all day.
@@GonzoDonzo oh yes indeed, but at least the P-51 managed to gain a fighting chance in a tighter dog fight. If the F-22 was really making a serious attempt to kill the P-51 it would not only do what you said but would probably try to deny the P-51 the merge in the first place. Just sending missiles would be enough for the F-22.
without the missiles all the jets can do is bnz it... very, very well.
@@StaleCrony I have to think on this one tjey may have planed it or agreed to some speed format. If you look at the attitude of the f22 it appears as if it is nose up trying to prevent a stall in most of the dogfights.
If it were real, hit the ABs and climb and then just dive. But again, I really think they agreed to some condition of fight.
@@AbsoluteyAmerican perhaps, it seems like that’s exactly what they may have done. Realistically the F-22 has many things that it can do to avoid getting hit by the P-51. Maybe it really did have one arm tied behind it’s back, maybe their agreement was to remain bellow a certain speed and altitude in order to give the P-51 a chance to stay within the turn circle. It actually makes a lot of sense. It does make me wonder though, if the F-22 was restricted then I want too see a version of the fight that the Raptor gives it it’s best attempt every time. I doubt the P-51 will have a chance but it sounds fun to view.
Thanks for the consistancy @Game Warden! This was actually very entertaining! Good job guys!
I think people forget that within living memory, aircraft like the P-51 and Spitfire were absolutely lethal state-of-the-art technology. This video highlights to me not so much how aircraft have evolved, but war has evolved. That F-22 can perform a myriad of different roles above the modern battlefield, but when it comes to proper VR dogfighting those engineers from 100 years ago still take some beating.
I'd love to see a Fox 2 dogfight between the A10 and another fighter.
Considering the A10 has a smaller turn and LOADS of flares it might be viable.
That would be just the same kinda fight between Mig-17s vs F4s in nam...
@@pr0skis Well, my idea was that in a guns only dogfight between the A-10 and for example a Fighter, the Fighter would climb away and then attack it from above, keeping his speed. But with missiles he can't do that well unless he defeats both of them. With that the A-10 has a chance.
Big problem would be acceleration- the A-10 doesn’t have much. And speed much over 250 mph.
Fox 2 dogfight with f18 and ac130
@@warbuzzard7167 the A-10 can reach speeds over 400mph.
Acceleration is still iffy.
i think this sort of ww2 plane vs modern jet really shows the importance of skill with dogfighting
Watching these videos really highlights the importance of being able to see and fire from a distance is so important vs actually fighting them. Opened my eyes
"we don't know the technologies they use, but nothing can withstand a. 50 cal barrage sir!"
Had a great uncle who was a Mustang driver in WWII. That was impressive and awesome victory especially on 78th Anniversary of D-day. He would have loved this.
Fighting over Guam! That was actually, I think, the University of Guam where he crashed @ 04:24. That running track is right next to a condo where I used to live.
First fight: Target fixated and saw nothing BUT the P-51 in his sights. Third fight: Lose sight, lose fight. As it always has been and always shall be. I also think you put bullets into his cockpit. Regardless, awesome fight as always.
A win against a raptor in a P-51. That's a story i would tell my grandchildren
11:57 truck guy just coming home from work and seeing a P-51 almost kissing the ground while fighting a F-22
The F22 just looks so damn intimidating, it doesn't matter what angle you look at it. I can't imagine going up against one of those in anything less than one of those alien fighters from the Independence Day movie.
Also; F22 vs. Alien fighter from Independence Day please.
That would have been a good scene until the Aliens spewed out in ridiculous numbers like a swarm of mosquitoes.
It was like 2000 V about 50...that spoiled the scene a lot I think.
Ummm. You know of the yf-23 right? It literally was the f22s competitor, the only reason why it lost against f22 was budget. Otherwise the plane looked way more sexy and intimidating and not to mention outperformed the f22 in every single category, literally all of them….except the slow fly by drills
@@Winddancer1991 Ah...F-23 fanboys...bless em :) F-22 Raptor pwned it.
The End.
Great comment mate LOL
@@GM-fh5jp ignorance is bliss they say
Really not surprising, ww2 planes were true dogfighters. Lower speed and high maneuverability will win the day in the turning fight. Jets win with speed and in the vertical. Had I been in the F-22, I’d have just used that speed to dictate the fight. Dive in on a gun or missile run, take a shot, climb away out of reach, circle around above, spot, turn in, and dive down again. Repeat till dead. As pilots of old always said, speed is life. If you got a speed advantage, use it. Especially against a target with no missiles to shoot back.
Boom and zoom tactics are how we won most of our WWII and Korea fights.
If the Raptor pilot wanted to, I'm sure they could make it a no contest fight with missiles + vertical. But I think they wanted to try and make it interesting, and I respect that! I probably wouldn't have enjoyed the video as much if the Raptor pilot just went textbook and made all the objectively correct decisions! ^^
@@Wildeskraut really? How do you figure? Because in my mind, dog fighting ended with the perfection of missile technology. Fast forward to Korea in 1951-53 and the primary weapon for the F-86 and Mig-15 were still guns, no missiles, which meant they were still dog fighting in the skies. It really wasn’t until Vietnam where we saw missiles taking over in air-to-air kills.
Long story short, I fail to see how you can say dog fighting ended during ww2 when the technology that effectively ended most dogfights didn’t really become relevant until a couple decades after.
@@GloaNeko this is true. I’m guessing that’s why he didn’t use his fox 2s that first round.
@@Wildeskraut That's why there were massive dog fights during Vietnam, right?
Round One F22 Pilot Error:
Goose:
"The defense department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid."
I laughed pretty hard at the F-22 belly flopping into the parking lot, even though it's my favorite plane of all time
So basically if an F-22 flew through the Bermuda Triangle, got caught in a time warp and went back to 1946, the pilot suffered brain damage, and a P-51 happened to spot it while on patrol, this could happen.
Kind of reminds me of the movie The Final Countdown. When the tomcats are toying with the Zeros, they actually get nose on and shoot once or twice.
Round 1 is so cinematic. Gives off some type of "mad pilot travelled in time to kill his grandfather" or something like that but the mustang wins and becomes town hero.
Planes in DCS that can beat an f22 in a dogfight: P51, SU57
don't forget the aermacchi
@@DeeSnow97 And the su 30 MKI
And Eurofighter
And f 16
This is far more interesting than I thought it would be. Like almost every domain, this goes to show that specialized analog still has its place in the world of multi-function digital technology.
I was a little disappointed that GS allowed missiles for this just because the P-51 has none. But all in all it was a fantastic video. 🤠
Imagine a modernised stealth, P-51 with modern prop engine and missiles!
Next do the I-16 vs the Su-57 :)
Looks like Mr. Putin should invest in a bunch of P-51s. ;-) Of course a real F-22 Raptor would NEVER let itself get into a visual range turning fight with a piston aircraft.
It also could just climb above and boom and zoom with ease
I love these videos because of how unique and unpredictable they can be. You really have no idea how things can turn out. More of these please! Love your work.
Watching you survive getting shot by the raptor, only to watch the raptor fly straight into the ground and kill itself made my chin drop. That was absolutely amazing.
The old VS new! Nice!
Great emergency landing as well in the P-51
That guy who commented on your videos must be very happy now. 😂
Your right, the only reason you have any chance is because hes staying close and turning with you. If you just put you in the dust he could let the missiles do the work.
That was amazing fun, i've always said the old planes were built to last! It had your usual great flying with a comedy death but that landing in round 1 was tense! :D If this is going to be a regular thing, I'd love to see a Spitfire Mk2 vs a Eurofighter Typhoon. Cheers!
Maverick be like: “Its not the plane, it’s the pilot”