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The fact that so many Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, etc... live in Miami and they can't get fans to show up is astounding. And not in a good way.
That also crossed my mind.
Jeffrey Loria played them by buying talent saying they were going to be competitive then started trading players by mid season like Jose Reyes.
They have no connection to those teams. Someone from Cabo Rojo puerto rico will not care for a Miami baseball team, even if he lives there now.
Truly
@@chillvibed That shouldn't matter. If you like baseball, you should go.
For the Rays, their biggest issue is location. Nobody is driving an hour from the other side of the bay to St. Pete on a Tuesday to watch baseball. The Lightning are very popular, and I think their downtown Tampa location is a big reason why they are able to get Floridians to care more about hockey than baseball.
Nah. Not Nobody. Not “Nobody.” /
Hockey is very different in that you really only need the same 15000 season ticket holders to show up to look like a great market, not hard to do in any decent size US market when you win as much as the lightning have.
The Lightning are a premier team with premier players, in an area where there are a lot of Northerners who have moved to sunny Florida. Youth hockey is doing well there as well.
In other words, while people in St. Pete are rightfully angered by sportscasters' and visiting fans' unwillingness/inability to say three syllables to refer to their team as "Tampa BAY" instead of "Tampa", they might do a little better if they actually PLAYED in Tampa.
The Buccaneers are in Tampa and they have had attendance issues in the past, and had several blackouts when the nfl did them, so thats not everything, Miami built a new stadium and they still have the same problem as well…
The Atlanta Braves organization got it right. They moved the park nearer their fan base, north of Atlanta. The park experience is first class and they provide a consistently competitive team, which equals a winning formula. More sports franchises should copy this model.
Ya dude, I’m loving the Braves being outside the city. It’s so much easier to enjoy games now.
Never heard of the Marietta Braves before.
@@StLouis-yu9iz what about the New Jersey Football Giants? 🤔
@@StLouis-yu9iz Go to Atlanta to see the Braves and you will not be seeing a baseball game, but a bunch of shootings and crimes being committed. Go to Cobb County, specifically Smyrna, NOT Marietta, and you can watch a Braves game.
I'm not a millionaire so I'll never be able to see a Braves game. Fuck that team for pandering to the people who believe if you're middle/working class, black or gay, you should not be allowed to even live.
One of the things that struck me about the Rays is that in 2008 when they were in first place and winning the pennant, the team was STILL in last place as far as attendance goes, and they didn't start to sell out until the playoffs.
Rays should just move to montreal already
Rays were 26th out of the 30 teams in attendance in 2008.
@@max-xn3vt The expos moved to dc for a reason
Marlins are giving tickets away at 4 for 44.00 you’ll get four (4) game tickets, four (4) hot dogs, four (4) sodas or waters and two (2) small popcorns. That would never happen in larger markets
Why not 4 small popcorns?
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5em ask them
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5em I guess they had to draw a line somewhere, or old people do not like popcorn.
I wouldn’t go to a Marlins game if you gave me a free ticket behind home plate and $50.00 bucks cash. Does that answer your question how bad Marlins baseball is in South Florida. Everyone is from somewhere else. It shows when you got more fans at Marlins stadium rooting for the visiting team.
@@nightowl5475 I take that deal to see my team play them. Lol.
As an Arizona fan it’s a shame they can’t get more fans to show, but ownership since Jerry Colangelo sold the team has been pretty miserable. They don’t want to renovate the ballpark and don’t want to put a winner on the field.
At lest the suns are doing ok
Also very few people can get invested in a team if they can’t watch them. Thanks Bally Sports
@@lucash5446 Im a really big Yankee fan but I don't/can't watch a full Yankees game, it's just boring and I have better stuff to do with my time. I just watch highlights you don't need to not be a fan and not go to irl games because you can't watch every single full game on tv. This excuse probably tops "I have to drive 10 minutes across a bridge so I can't go to the Rays game"
The Snakes are in 1st place right now; has attendance picked up at all?
@@gregb6469There averaging around 2000 more fans per game but still out of 30 teams there 20th in attendance wich is not what you want to see from a 1st place team
It's not a surprise Miami attendance fell off a cliff after the Marlins got rid of Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, and Gordon in the same year.
I know it’s always an excuse. According to you guys no bad fanbases exist. They didn’t resign those players because they have no money because nobody watches the games. Actually learn how business works
At best, it fell off a small bluff. They were 28th in attendance in Stanton's last season.
The Marlins had no choice but to dump those salaries. A business can only spend what they generate in revenue. Ticket sales is the #1 source of revenue for 28 of the 30 teams and local revenue as a whole is what separates the large markets from the rest of the pack. The Marlins have had a lot of trouble reaching $100 million in local revenue. Any MLB team that brings in less than $100 million in local revenue are going to be in big financial troubles. The Marlins get the largest cut of revenue sharing at around $70 million and every team gets around $85 million in national revenue from national tv deals and merchandise revenue.
Miami has always experienced attendance problems. Oakland drew in more fans during covid.
If the Rays were to move to Tampa, they would absolutely pull more fans, especially if they are consistently good-great and make the playoffs. Look at the lightning and how much support they have built.
for sure, if they built a stadium in downtown, they could fill it. they are top 10 with tv rating. the team has fans, they just wont drive an hour to go to games
I really believe minor league baseball kills the Rays. I live on the east coast and it doesn't matter if they are in St. Pete or Tampa. It's a drive. And what it costs for one ticket -- not including parking or anything else -- I can bring my family to see a game in Daytona or Jacksonville.
@@craigcavaliere6744 I do believe that the Tampa bay tarpons don’t help the rays either.
Yeah when the Yankees come to town 😂😂😂😂
@@grahamjackson3389 Lol the Tarpons have one of the lowest attendance averages in the minors. No one is passing up a Rays game to go see a single A affiliate. That being said, it's clear this guy isn't familiar with the bay area. Absolutely no one, even the people that live in South Tampa, no one wants to cross the bridge during rush hour to barely slide into the parking lot for a weekday game. Ybor would be a no brainer for the thousands of people working down town to trolley over there for that same time slot.
I’ve lived in Florida for 25 years, and I wish that the people here were more passionate about their pro sports. I understand that there definitely are some, but overall that’s a huge problem. And I grew up in the Midwest until I was 19, and because of that am fans of other teams too, like you mentioned. It’s going to take time with Florida I think. It’s just not a place where generations of people have permanently lived and grown up. I think that’s only just started to happen the last 25-35 years a little. But that might mean only one generation here. And even if that generation now has kids, they might just be very little still. Whereas cities like Chicago, Boston, New York, or others might have as many as 200 years of families living there, and multiple generations. Fans attitudes make a difference too. I’m a big Cubs fan, and love everything about them and Wrigley. I’d never leave s game before the last out, and I’d stay at the ballpark and surrounding area all day if I could. But for example in Tampa Bay, where I do see a handful of games each year, I’ve seen Rays fans yell “Hurry up! We want to go home!” in the 8th inning when the Rays have been up. So I think some fans just have a poor mentality when it comes to their teams. If going to your team’s venue to see them is just s chore for you, then why are you even a fan?
You nailed the one thing; I would say about 70% of the adults in FL didn't grow up in the state.
The Marlins have been around since 1993, and the Rays since 1998. That's more than plenty enough time to establish a fan base. Miami, for one, is just a lousy sports city. The Dolphins drew flies until Don Shula arrived. The Miami Hurricanes football team draws bad unless it's FSU, the Florida Gators or Notre Dame. The NHL Panthers draw poorly. The only team that draws well is the Heat.
@@dolbra4 I think it’s kind of enough time. With those spans of time it just depends on the fans attitudes I think. I’m always one to NEVER leave a game until the final out, second, whatever. Even if I know my team is almost certainly going to lose. They deserve support either way. If they have to stay, I have to stay. That’s how I see it as a fan. I wish more people could be that way and teach their kids that to. Even going beyond sports, I think it’s a good subconscious life lesson. It’s demographics too though I think. Baseball not doing that well in Florida always semi-confuses me, even with only up until 1993 our not having pro teams, because we’ve had spring training here for over 100 years, as well as some minor league teams, and Florida has a huge Hispanic population too, of which many of the players more than ever also have. So who knows? Could me the price of tickets. Could be time. But as a fan I’m confused by it.
@@cgimovieman I like to stay until the final out too, win or lose... When I was in Atlanta, where my brother lived at the time, in 1990, I gave him grief for leaving a Braves game on a Friday night when it went into extra innings. Of course, the Braves walked off- at the time, the Braves were still the doormats of the National League, right before the 14-straight division title streak...
@@dolbra4 You just never know what could happen. I guess I’m an optimist when it comes to sports. But honestly, my team losing doesn’t keep me from rooting for them or going to see them play. Sure, obviously it’s cooler if they do win. But I still enjoy seeing them play regardless.
I think Cincinnati needs to be on this list now, which is incredibly sad.
How are they not on this list? Apathetic owner, low payroll, haven’t been to the World Series since 1990, horrible attendance, I could go on. Was once one of MLB’s crown jewels, now it’s just a farm team for the other MLB teams.
Cincinnati has great fans, but bad management and owners. Everything else is great. Need to win with new owners.
reds fans really care. it’s just the organization is fucking horrible.
No way. Since your comment Joey Votto has come back, Elly De La Cruz has been called up, the team went on a 12 game win streak, and at the All Star Break are in 1st place in the division and the stands are filling up. Cincinnati is a great baseball town, they just need an owner willing to spend money to win. When the Reds are good Cincinnati is top 5.
@@markdebark5248 I think Cincinnati is Top 2 maybe with good leadership.
You can add Cincinnati to this list. Incompetent ownership
He put Cincinnati at Number 5 of the best baseball cities
@@gusty_scarf
Well, they aren't drawing flies in 2023 with an awful team, a terrible organization, and a ballpark that's a phony joke.
Cincinnati is an awesome baseball town. Ownership is finally rebuilding the team the right way. April weather was awful this year, too.
@@kent266
You're going to blame April weather for attendance of 7,000? It's nice that someone bought the team from the Nazi who owned them formerly. A more ridiculous, gimmicky ballpark can't be found in the NL. A proud baseball history dishonored.
ownership sucks but the fans are great
Tampa's biggest problem is location. I lived in St. Pete. In fact, I lived within walking distance of Tropicana. There are really only three ways to get to the stadium if you don't live in the city, and all three ways are incredibly congested. One of them is over a bridge unless you want to drive an hour or more north and then wait another hour to get into St. Pete. If they built a stadium in Tampa proper, that all changes. No more having to drive north to go south or south to get north.
Tampa’s biggest problem is their fanbase sucks. I love how every one of these poor fanbases has an excuse on why they don’t show. Oh it’s the team sucking, oh it’s the stadium oh it’s this oh it’s that. Your either interested in baseball or your not. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Tampa bay moving to Nashville soon
To say nothing of very poor to nonexistent bus service. Given there are a lot of senior citizens in the area and the state, many of whom cannot drive, this is a significant issue. Service on the Tampa side isn't too bad, but the St. Pete/Pinellas side is not as good, with service ending quite early (except on US 19). And service across the bridges? Forget it, unless you're going at rush hour. Even Greyhound's cross bay schedule doesn't do the Rays any favors.
@@westhoodqualzini7884 Obviously, you don't live in the area. Yeah, we can all get off work at 5, go home, change, get back int he car, drive more than an hour, get to the game sometime in the 3rd inning, then get home, try to eat dinner, get the kids to bed, and get to sleep by midnight. Uh huh. Sorry, but that's what you're asking a majority of the people to do who don't live in St Pete. Oh, and the fanbase sucks? Tell that to the Lightning that ALWAYS sell out their games at Amalie Arena. And that's HOCKEY IN FLORIDA.
@@Staszu13 This isn't the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex or the Twin Cities, where it's relatively simple to get to the less populous part of the metro area (Arlington, Texas for the Rangers or Cowboys, St. Paul for the Wild). If the Rays' new stadium is built in Tampa, attendance would at least be respectable.
@@VincentPaterno-hs2fv I think you missed my point. Indeed, bus service on the Tampa side is at least decent. I have no doubt attendance would be better on that side. My point was, besides having several bridges to cross, a lot of seniors in the area CAN'T drive so they would need to rely on bus service. And bus service across those bridges is skimpy
1) Oakland 2) Oakland 3)Oakland 4) Tampa 5) Arizona
Fully agree. Can’t stand the area or the Oakland stadium. Both horrible
If the Rays actually played in Tampa Bay, then the attendance would be way more higher than St. Petersburg, FL.
Arizona is a city?
Miami should definitely be on there
@Yuhsss Tampa Bay, St Pete is in the Tampa Bay area. Tampa is the city, T. Bay is the area surrounding the bay (Tanpa, St Pete, Clearwater etc)
The fact that residents paid for these stadiums is the saddest fact.
It's interesting that 3 of the 4 most recent expansion teams (all except Colorado) are on this list. I think MLB bears a lot of the blame, for misreading potential markets and awarding franchises to cities that obviously lack enough of a fan base. And this is despite each of these three teams making at least one World Series appearance, with Phoenix winning one, Miami winning 2, and TB appearing in 2.
I don't think it's a misreading the market thing i believe they let these teams suck for so much of there early life that it drove people away. I mean Tampa Bay didn't have record over .500 until there 10th season. In a city full of transplants you aren't gonna win people over with that
for miami it’s ownership. i don’t blame fans in miami for turning against the marlins with how their owners have consistently ran them into the ground.
Sadly the MLB has been on a downward trend, it just isn't catching on with Gen Z. Part of that is marketing, but also the ridiculously outdated model of uncapped spending. The NFL wised up to that in the 90's.
I want to see if I have this right: a "good MLB city" is populated by gormless suckers who'll reward their team for whatever old crap they deign to put on the field, and be grateful for it to boot? Here's three cheers for "bad MLB cities."
A lot of those great Cleveland attendance numbers occurred during the Browns hiatus, or whatever you call it. The Browns are like an albatross around the neck of Cleveland sports fans. Even in years when the Indians were doing great, attention turned to the Browns as soon as summer camp started, then interest in baseball dropped. This, despite the fact that the football franchise didn't even try to put a competitor on the field. Didn't have to. Sellouts were commonplace. Almost hate the Browns now because of it. The fans were stupid, not demanding a better product when 5 out of every 6 years the team was dog crap. The name change didn't affect me one bit. I'm a Cleveland baseball fan.
Name change hurt
@@johnmarshall4399 I knew it was inevitable and accepted that fact long before they did it. As I thought about it, "Indians" was kind of a weak name anyway. Not like Braves or Warriors, just generic Indians. If I hadn't grown up with it, I wouldn't have liked it all. I think it's silly that some people picked the name change as the hill they wanted to die on. Find a real issue to fight.
I'm lost as a Cleveland fan, but foot ball is once a week so that makes it even more watchable... When u can see a team player 7 games in one week it's kinda becomes dull.. so the browns got attention because you could only pack the stadium one time a week until Thursday night and Monday night games ..
@Carseye1 "Guardians" is pathetic and immeasurably weaker than "Indians". Considering how often they have been no-hit, they should have changed their name to the "No Hit Wonders".
When the Browns moved to Baltimore, that hurt the Orioles a lot more than the Expos moving to Washington because many blue-collar fans gave up Orioles season tickets to buy Ravens. It wasn't that they didn't love the Orioles, but they loved football more and couldn't afford both. I imagine the future Guardians had the same problem.
From 1999-2006, the Moneyball Era, the A's were one of the most competitive teams. The only thing missing was a title. These days the owner is just a horrible cheapskate.
The moneyball era didnt really begin until 02’ and even since they implemented that system they have only won 1 real playoff series, it was a good concept for awhile but like anything if its successful people will copy it…
Lol in the movie Moneyball the owner was a horrible cheapskate hence them starting the moneyball idea. I can’t believe i was in jr high when the Bash brothers won a World Series & 3 straight AL pennants. Time flies.
Arizona and the Florida teams have the problem that so many people moved to those cities from elsewhere in the country, and when they get there, they mostly continue to support their old teams. That's why you'll always find lots of fans of the opposing team at their games. I could see the Rays relocating, but they might have the same problem in the next city they move to.
The Rays should move to Nashville. They seem like the only city that despite the transplant issue would actually embrace them as their own. I could see it work out kind like the Colorado Avs or Dallas stars did because they’d be getting a well run team on the field. Other than Nashville who wants an MLB team these days.
I think Tampa can succeed if they had a park in Tampa proper.
Miami proved it will support baseball during the World Baseball Classic. Miami blew away all of the prior attendance marks. Miami likes baseball ... Miami just HATES the Marlins ownership group. The team has really never had decent ownership.
It's the prices of the tickets. For all baseball, and not just MLB. Get people in the stadium, and they'll spend money on concessions.
It feels like the WBC sold out more games in Miami and Phoenix than the home teams did last year.
The WBC definitely didn't sell out any games in AZ. The upper deck was mostly empty.
@@danschilling5863 USA vs Mexico was sold out. Also, just because all the tickets were sold doesn't mean they weren't bought out by scalpers.
because WBC is exciting !
@@danschilling5863 because nobody wants to see British baseball lol
In defense of Marlin fans. They endured 5 separate fire sales in their history. And the new ballpark was built 20 miles south of the bulk of the franchises fanbase. Broward County. Stadium is also located in one of the poorest neighborhoods in all of Florida so everyone who does go to a game is coming at a minimum from 10 miles away.
How bout another bucket of excuses? There’s no bad fanbases. It’s always other peoples fault why you don’t show up
@@westhoodqualzini7884 Yes. It’s always someone else’s fault. The Marlins are not committed to winning. Give people a product worth seeing and they’ll show up.
@@wewin03 so there’s no bad fanbases according to you? Fans are only supposed to show up when the team is doing good? It’s that what makes a passionate fanbase? Cubs lost for 108 years and still filled the seats because they’re passionate about their team. The reason why they can’t get good players is they have a low payroll from low attendance and ratings. I like how there’s always an excuse. He even said it in the video but you probably weren’t listening. They complained about a new stadium as the reason they didn’t show and once they got a new stadium it was empty within a few years again. Now it’s another excuse why they don’t show
@@westhoodqualzini7884 Chicago's also the second largest city in the country and the Cubs in particular were one of the few MLB teams that were nationally aired for most of there history making there fanbase gigantic. However no fanbase is more passionate than another it's just the amount of fans.
@@westhoodqualzini7884the cubs aren’t every situation. they’re a big market team that also has a huge TV fanbase thanks to WGN.
and id say a lot of the marlins problems revolve around ownership. why would you buy into a team knowing they’re going to be sold off and effed over? that’s what happened with almost every marlins run
I vacationed in Clearwater one year, and it seemed like it took forever to get over to Tropicana. I actually liked the park, bc it was so different. But the drive took like 45 minutes to an hour iirc
The sad thing is that the people of Jacksonville (Marlins' AAA city) are more into baseball than Miami is. I remember reading an article at one point the attendance in a month was higher in Jacksonville (as AA) than it was in Miami.
I love the Miami stadium. I'm a Red Sox fan, but if I were to move down to Florida I would definatly try to grab a ticket package for the Marlins. It's convenient parking and easy to get out after the game (of course that's because of the low attendance) but I've been there twice and really enjoyed it.
Getting out isn't as convenient as you might think for such a small crowd
But would you root for the Marlins, or be like every other carpetbagger who moves to a Sun Belt city and wear your Red Sox gear, even when Miami is playing San Diego or Pittsburgh?
@firebird6522 Nah nah nah I always root for the home team and rock the home team gear. Unless the Sox are in town. I would go all in if I moved there. I've been on a stadium tour this year and I pick up a home team hat or t-shirt wherever I go. Unless I go to Yankee Stadium, can't do that lol.
Will never understand why people blame fans where most if not all the blame belongs on the owners. Loyalty, ha...
I am born and raised in Tampa. I was a lifelong baseball fan. Most middle class whites ie Baseball fans live in Tampa and Brandon. Many in North Tampa. It is a nightmare getting over the Howard Franklin Bridge for a night game in St. Pete. Nobody from Tampa wants to go to a 7pm game. Get off work at 5:30, with traffic and parking you will make it right on time. 45 min drive home late at night. Not fun! and you can't drink because you have a long drive home, plus Uber is too expensive. There are many people in Tampa from Tampa. NOBODY in St. Pete is from St. Pete. Day games are impossible unless you have the entire day off, or leave work at 11am. Tropicana Field is ugly, but it's actually not that bad. But I don't have high standards, I think TIAA field in Jax is nice too.
These poor fanbases always have a bucket full of excuses why they don’t show up. Oh it’s the stadium, the team sucks, my feet hurt, it rained last Tuesday etc
@@westhoodqualzini7884 you'd drive an hour on a regular basis to see a baseball team? sounds like you don't have any responsibilities
@@stonewall2869 um yeah that’s called a professional sports team. Most do not live 5 minutes away. And if you need the same fans to attend games regularly to make the stadium not look completely empty then tells you your problem right there
@@westhoodqualzini7884are you really gonna do that drive even 20 times a year? most fans aren’t, and i think that’s reasonable. sweet spot is that you want it within half an hour of most of the fanbase/metro area
Some of these "bad MLB cities" has more to do with bad ownership. I do think he was right about Tampa and a new park. They'd get some novelty gate for a couple of years and then back to where they are now. Same is true if the A's stay in Oakland. The Rays have been a very good team , winning their division in 20 and 21 plus a wildcard in 22, and they still can't draw flies.
Yeah your either interested in baseball or you not. No amount of gimmicks and flying saucers and new stadiums is going to change that.
Passionate fanbases are not judged by supporting the team when they win because any city can do that. Tampa bay and Oakland fans are screaming new stadium then they get the new stadium and your back to the same place you were before with an empty stadium three years down the road. You can’t make people passionate
The Phillies were learning that lesson the hard way after about 2011 or so, just awful teams with paltry attendance.
Do you think Arizona suffers from baseball fatigue? Spring training is there, cheaper tickets etc.
I think Phoenix in general just isn't a great sports city. Look at the saga that is the Arizona Coyotes.
No. We love our baseball. One he touched on about so many people out here being from somewhere else, and as a result they go to see the team that they grew up with when they are in town. The AZ Coyotes and the AZ Cardinals have the exact same issue here. That’s a big problem here. Part of it is the ballpark. It’s decent looking for it’s age, but like so many domes feels so sterile and lifeless. Not the best baseball experience.
We have too many transplants unwilling to switch loyalties or even adopt our teams as a secondary team. It's disappointing we don't have a better baseball culture here but it isn't surprising.
A lot of older folks in Phoenix with the disposable income to go to games are also snowbirds. They're not around for the bulk of the season.
Oakland had 3,000 in attendance last night.
Need a new park in oakland
@John Marshall I agree a 100% and unfortunately if they don't get a new stadium then the great fans of Oakland are going to lose another and their last professional team. Shame on the powers that be in the city of Oakland and Alameda County.
@@johnmarshall4399 nope they need to get the hell out of there. And get the hell out there they did
I remember the renderings for that new Tampa stadium in Ybor. That would have skyrocketed the Rays to one of the best baseball cities for sure.
If the Marlins get a winning team, they will pack loanDepot park. There are a lot of baseball fans in South Florida. The WBC proved that in March.
Won't be long until Oakland has zero professional sports teams. At one point they had the Warriors, Seals, A's, and Raiders.
Oakland Oaks
You really just gonna ignore the Oakland Roots……🤨
Another reason why Florida teams don't have high turnout across sports is that there is also so much more to do there. Beaches with maritime activities, world class resorts and theme parks, generally higher standard of living, traveling back to their "home" town once or twice a year, etc. People only have so much discretionary income, so teams have to compete with where people spend their time and money.
NYC and Los Angeles has ALL of that and MUCH more but people still show up.
No die hard fans
oakland of course. the stadium is a giant piece of concrete that just looks like it nests on the bottom of a freeway overpass. im watching the A’s game right now and from the looks of it, there’s barely 2,000 people
As a native Miamian, I agree with this message.
I’m not proud to say that I haven’t been very helpful as an A’s fan, but I’m able to justify it through my support for their Single-A team. Stockton Ports tickets are much cheaper for better seats in a newer and better maintained park, that in my case takes less than half as long to drive to.
It’s less so me not being a devoted fan and more that there isn’t much drawing me in compared to everything else going on in the area. The best case scenario for me would be the A’s getting a new venue somewhere in the bay area, but I realistically don’t see that happening anymore. I completely understand the appeal of moving to Las Vegas and it probably won’t feel like much of a loss to me as long as I have one of their Minor League affiliates nearby, especially if I stop seeing empty stands when they’re on TV.
I wonder what’s going to happen with the Triple-A team currently in Vegas though
I use to go watch them all the time when I was stationed at the Navy Hospital and when they finally move to Vegas, I will be a season ticket holder for sure.
@@fire--mw4rq Or they could spend money to keep players, rebuild their stadium, treat the fans with respect, and keep more of them. And stay in the Bay Area, which has a lot of money to spend on a good product.
They could move the Vegas team to Portland, Oregon. Idk why Portland doesn’t have a minor league team anymore
@@Zach-mw5so I don’t know much about Portland, but I imagine that the climate and lack of association to any major league teams may factor into it
A lot of teams in California are are in the same region as their MLB affiliate, which gives them a built in fan base. If this isn’t the case the team has to build up it’s own organic following, which I imagine would be difficult even in a city that gets plenty of sunshine.
Is Portland in Mariner’s territory?
@@maykito14 Yeah Portland gets Mariners games on TV. I just think it wouldn’t be too far away for the A’s Triple A affiliate
I live in Clearwater and I can say that if the Rays' stadium were in a better location there'd be better attendance. I am 18 miles from both the Rays and the Buc's stadium. It takes 20 minutes to get to the Buc's and over 50 minutes (on a good day) to get to the Rays' ballpark.
Clearwater is a Phillies town!
@@volodymyrzablotsky5372 Probably, but the point is that that stadium is a p.i.a. to get to just to watch a ballgame I'd rater go watch the Phillies minor league team, lots of fun
@@volodymyrzablotsky5372 I know, I was a Phillies fan as a kid (the Mike Schmidt years) because I didn't have to worry about them playing my favorite Yankees except for the series.
I really thought you'd put Pittsburgh on this list, especially when you talked about Cleveland and their fans' opinions of their owners.
As I Pirates fan, I'm shocked we r not on here.
@@ob_gynkenobi4014 Pittsburgh fans(I'm from here and a pirates fan as well.) are just extremely entitled to winning because of the recent success with the steelers in the late 2000's and Crosby Era in the Penguins. But i remember a time when the penguins were so bad you could get free tickets in my school lunches in the early 2000's. That was pre-salary cap, which explains why the pens pretty much were as bad as the pirates then. baseball still doesn't have a salary cap ans it's largely due to Scott Boras owning the MLBPA and bring the Palpatine of the MLB. Pittsburgh Pirates have had more overall franchise success than the Cleveland Indians.
@ram76921 you're correct. However, I'm 35. So I basically only have 3 winning baseball seasons. In my lifetime, Cleveland baseball has had far more success. I actually hate the Steelers, so then winning does nothing for me. Penguins are my favorite sports team and season ticket holder, so I am spoiled in that regard. Pittsburghers have definitely been spoiled, tho. I just wish more was in baseball. BTW, Jefferson Hills here.
You're not on there because you have a fantastic venue! Going to a weekend series at PNC against StL is a favorite memory, even though the Pirates kicked the Cardinals ass 2 outta 3.
@@ram76921 Me too. When the Pirates were good from 13-15 the north shore was crazy. If they winner fans will show up.
If the Brewers ownership keeps it up, they'll quickly be on this list! They royally pissed off their fans and their players with the 2022 disaster of trading away Josh Hader to the Padres. Then they doubled down, and took the best pitcher in baseball, a Cy Young award winner to arbitration over $700K...then doubled down on THAT by trying to blame him for not making the playoffs in 2022. They've cut payroll $12m from 2022 and raised prices for everything from season tickets (then lowered the bene's) to even spring training games!
They are currently in first place.
There's more WATER around Tropicana Field than actual land. Tough to draw fans from its location at the tip of a peninsula. Unless you live in the area, you have no clue how difficult it is to move around from the Tampa side of the bay to the Pinellas side. There is no 'mass transit' for fans to use. Pinellas is full of retired snow birds with affiliation to other teams. The Rays began in 1998 and their young fanbase is just now getting to the point where they can get to the games themselves. But yes, if a stadium were to be built on the Tampa side of the bay, it would make an enormous difference. Unfortunately, it looks more and more likely that they will build in the same area.
florida and arizona are the worst sports states in general due to all the people migrating from other states with sports teams just for the weather.
Charlotte, NC would probably be the same way, if they got a team..
I once compared the attendance of the entire existence of the old KC A's verses the same number of years of the Oakland A's. KC supported the A's far better despite never having a winning season than Oakland which had multiple WS winners. My conclusion KC A's should have never moved, and most likely there would be a different MLB today.
Montreal Expos during the 1994 season had a team for the ages and looked like a real threat to win a World Series until the league went on a strike during the season with only a quarter of a season left before the playoffs.
After that from 1995 to 2004 the attendance dropped and dropped at an alarming rate and fans in Montreal lost interest in Baseball as attendance kept declining, next it was evident a city like Montreal Quebec in Canada isn't really a destination to attract big ticket high priced free agent superstars.
After the 2004 season and the last year the Expos played in Montreal it was the departure and relocation to Washington DC.
I think Tampa's unfair cus when the lightning do as good as they do in attendance it just shows they'll show up but I really think the location of the stadium is killing them
The fans have never cared
It’s honestly kind of sad when you think about it with Oakland especially considering that they are tied with the Boston Red Sox for second most World Series in the American League and third overall at 9. I also feel like the Oakland Athletics would be more geared towards the blue-collar workingman’s team of northern California, while the Giants are more of your upper class, white-collar and corporate team.
Also, having watched your best city in both city less, I am somewhat surprised that New York city didn’t make either list
Hasn’t Oakland gentrified to some degree the last several years?
(At least up to the pandemic)
The Candlestick crowd was never like that. As owner is a tightwad. I stay away from SF. The city is an armpit these days.
@@PCSPounder yeah but the rest of the East Bay is very blue collar and that A’s Giants fan distinction is very real
That's why the A's and Sacramento are a good match.
@@rufust.firefly4890 The area around the Giants ballpark is very nice, including the marina, the university and the Warriors' palace.
As a baseball>football guy in Cleveland, I really hope things turn around. I do really believe the fans can return if this team gets to be more exciting.
Honest question:If they change the name back to Indians will the fans come back? I think they will.
I really hope all the upper deck seats at Progressive Field (which is still Jacobs Field in my opinion!) re-open some day. It's heartbreaking to see what has been going on in Cleveland even though they have always had a very solid team. I would love to see a return to the Jacobs Field atmosphere of the mid-90s. I'm a rival Twins fan, btw.
@@From-North-Jersey If fans came back because of the name change then they aren't real fans, they are just nincompoops.
I'm an Orioles and Ravens fan. I was happy to get the Ravens but I was really glad that Cleveland got the Browns back. I never knew the Gaurdians had an attendance problem and I agree they should changed the name back. Baseball is too traditional to be going through all these changes.
@@From-North-Jersey the name change has nothing to do with it. The Indians/Guardians have had attendance issues for years. They were bottom 10 in attendance the year after they went to the World Series, so they have bigger issues. Issues outside of even performance because really, the team has been pretty good over the past 20 years!
Bank One ballpark does have a dope Rube Goldberg machine tho.
I think that the biggest problem with the Rays is the location of three minor league teams within the Tampabay area along with them. You have the Blue Jays in Dunedin, the Phillies in Clearwater, and the Yankees in Tampa. In what other major league cities do you have this much competition for fans? The only cities that come close would be NY (Yankees and Mets), Chicago (White Sox and Cubs) and LA (Angels and Dodgers)
The Trop is a good place to watch a game. Just too hard to get to. Especially from the Lakeland and Brandon area. Last Sunday game I went to cost me $240 for 2 in the middle deck area. Took 9 hours including the drive over and back. They're red hot now so maybe more will show up.
Tropicana field is literally right on the highway outside of tampa nowhere near the centre of tampa, I can't even count the amount of times I've passed that arena and not even thought I might eventually attend a game. The lightning are a better bet in town in my opinion and so are the bucs. Idk what needs to happen but I lived in the gulf Coast area for probably 7 years and never thought about going to a game.
The last point I think is big though, "there's so many people from somewhere else living in Florida" especially with all the snow birds who come in the winter months its crazy how much traffic there is, would take me maybe 20 minutes to get to work normally then all of a sudden took me about 1 hour to get into work, though I did work at the beach so it's expected, crazy thing is when covid hit it was a ghost town when it should have been the busiest season. I'm proud that Florida is a part of me though
Be careful painting the State of Florida with a broad brush when it comes to attendance at sporting events. The NHL’s Tampa Bay Lightning have sold out every game since 2015. That’s 41 home games every year plus a lot of playoff games as well. The Rays would draw much better if their stadium was located in or near Downtown Tampa (like the Lightning) instead of across the bay in St Pete. The worst news of all is that it appears that if the Rays are going to build their new stadium that it’s going to again be located in St Pete. Big mistake. It will be just like the situation in Miami. Beautiful new stadium in a bad location equals poor attendance. Location matters.
Millions of Floridians also flock to the Grapefruit League. College football is always #1.
First rule of real estate sales location location location
"But really sports in general just struggles in Florida to draw people" is true but somehow The Lightning a hockey team of all things team has over 300 consecutive sellouts
Because they're competitive. Once they start rebuilding, attendance will be bad again
Same fans buy the tickets over and over
Yeah when he said that I thought well the Miami Heat have been drawing people in for years plus when Brady played for the Bucs their home games were full. Well minus the 2020 season.
Cleveland what a fall from grace. 1990's Indians where on top with out winning a championship. I'm a Dodgers fan.
Yea very sad they couldnt get it done, they were really the best team in 95’ but 97’ was worse since it was to a team that had only existed for a few years and how it ended…
I live in Atlanta Metro area and routinely see Rays bumper stickers. Personally I love the Rays. I think some of us (throughout the country) have also adopted them because of their underdog status
I go to Arizona about once a year during the summer and I always end up going to a Dbacks game because tickets are cheap. I don’t know if it’s just because I’m from LA and am used to Dodger games, but Chase Field is so quiet. The announcer, the music they play, the fans, everything.
I live south of Phoenix. I have been to Chase Field one time in 17 years. It couldn't be easier for me to go to an afternoon game. But I just don't. And this is coming from a huge baseball fan back in the 1960s to 2000. Somehow baseball lost its appeal since then.
@@georgesealy4706 I'd say try to go to a game. You can get pretty good seats for a good price. The energy isn't the same as it is at Dodger Stadium, but I've still enjoyed my trips to Chase Field
@@georgesealy4706 Same here. I went to many games in the 70's and 80's, only a few in the 90's and nothing since 2010. Many reasons: The expense (baseball use to be the most economical pro sport to see). The crowds (as you get older the less you like the crush). but, for me it's the realization that players aren't loyal to the club, city or fan base..it's the money.
I went to a few diamondbacks games when I lived in PHX. Sadly it felt more like going to the mall/food court than going to a real ball park. There was no soul to the place at all.
I've been to Phoenix and attended a D-Backs game, and i think the biggest problem is the weather. There's just something wrong about playing baseball indoors on a summer day. i understand it's necessary since the midsummer heat in Phoenix is just brutal but it has the same charm as going to a shopping mall in the summer. I've been to 8 or so stadiums in the US and this was my least favourite. You can't really compare it to the Rockies because Coors Field is a great ballpark, great scenery, good brewery, and the population there is very active and into sports. However in the early and late season Phoenix is probably great when the roof is open.
Agreed been a lifelong dbacks fan. Chase Field is great when the roof is opened early in season, but not so much during the sunmer.Another contending factor is they need to win more consistently to draw better, especially because Arizona is unfortunately home to everyone else's allegiances.
But what you said applies to going outside ANYWHERE in Phoenix during the summer.
@@eddiejc1 exactly. I stayed with a friend and the entire house was air-conditioned. It's crazy so many people move down there. From an ecological standpoint, it's terrible.
The Marlin's attendence would double if the stadium was in a better location.
There’s always an excuse with these poor fanbases. Marlins literally built a brand new ballpark after fans complained about the old stadium saying they would show up if they built a new stadium. They built a new stadium and the attendance is still poor. Now your saying to build a new one 🤣. Your lost bro get some help
i was working in phoenix last year and decided to catch a diamondbacks game while i was there and they just so happened to be playing the dodgers and there was a sea of dodger blue throughout the stadium it was so sad i caught two games and it was the same case in both games
Well, at least they got a nice swimming pool to use to avoid watching them lose
Ever go when it is 110°F? I was in Phoenix once when it hit 118°F with all the pavement in the sun it was pushing 180°. Utterly unbearable, but been in worse, 126° in the shade in Palm Springs, CA.
We have alot of weirdos that were born here but are fans of the California teams, namely the Dodgers and the Giants. Then you have the Midwest transplants that don't want to give up their Cubs, Cardinals, etc...
It's all because of the crazy prices to attend a game!! come on!! $10 for a Soda?
The biggest reason in Oakland is a city council that ballpark as well past its prime when the management decided hit the city council wasn't going to help them they wouldn't try improve the team and then the people stop coming
would love to see this series with nba/nfl/nhl
You’ll just have to wait and see…
I was guessing that Tampa Bay would be number one. But yeah---Miami. You laid out the case well for Miami to be number one.
What makes no sense is both Florida teams and the d backs play in a smaller stadium for spring instead of their home stadiums like that’s a waste
Wish I could pay you to make move videos! So cool 😎
The other Floridians who say if the Rays move to Tampa proper it'd make a difference must not remember that the Lighting drew large crowds at the "Thunderdome" in St. Pete when it was their temporary home. And now the Lightning are good so they have an even better fan base now.
Tampa Bay area loves hockey, but just aren't as big of fans of baseball. Part of that might be because Florida transplants might not have had an NHL team where they were originally from or didn't follow hockey then. Similar to how Vegas Golden Knights are the favorite team for Nevada.
Agree 1000%. And I'm one of the fans who regularly attend games in Miami...
Oakland aint going to be one much longer.
Cincinnati has a boring, generic ballpark and lousy food. I'm surprised it's not on this list. Attendance is dismal. I tried going there, not worth the money.
As a Guardians fan, I can tell you very honestly that the Dolan family just will not spend to make a competitive team. They have been absolutely gifted with a great GM, who makes something out of nothing every year, along with a farm system that just keeps developing players (pitchers in particular) out of nowhere. Then as soon as a player hits their prime they get shuffled off to a team that will actually spend money on them. We as fans were told, "enjoy him while he's here," when we asked about Lindor's contract 2 years before his time was up. Imagine how insulting it is while you have a world series contender, to say that you have no interest in keeping your team together. They routinely are sellers at the deadline despite being in playoff contention. Just no commitment to winning. The only reason Jose Ramirez stuck around is that he took a one in a million hometown discount to stay. Cleveland will continue to have the longest World Series drought until Dolan sells to a person/ group who wants to win. They absolutely belong on this list.
They had the chance to go for it in 17’ the team was coming off a pennant and they just sold a stake in the team for 150 mil, they spent on Encarnacion but all that did was make up for losing Napoli it didnt really add to the team, that was the time to try to win in all and they whiffed…
@@forgottenplaces9780 Every once in a while they make an odd move, and they never seem to pan out. Whether it's Donaldson, Franmil, Edwin, or maybe Josh Bell this year (we'll see) they are almost all whiffs. Maybe I am just jaded because we have been looking for a decent bat in the outfield since Dr. Smooth left and I have to watch teams like the Yankees cycle through, Ellsbury, Hicks, Stanton, Bader, Gallo, Benintendi, Locastro, Maybin etc. in the same time period when they have problem.
We go get bargain basement players or wait for a fluke player like Kwan to emerge. Kwan will probably be a member of the Yankees or Red Sox in 2025 lol. The competitive advantage is the worst it's been in my lifetime; I am 40. And people always point to flukes like the hot start of the Pirates this year, and say, "see it's all good." But the Pirates will fade and not even make the playoffs. And the MLB will never fix this with something like a salary cap, because it is good for baseball when the Yankees and Dodgers are good. Sorry for the rant, but it is brutal being a fan of a team that just has no shot every year unless the stars align for a tiny window.
The Guardians' name sucks! Bring back the Indians; no Native American who wasn't brainwashed by wokeism ever complained about it. Chief Wahoo forever!
Hopefully the World Baseball Classic brings those numbers to Marlins games
It definitely didn’t, opening day for just about every MLB team is supposed to be sold out, the Marlins barely got 31,000 fans, within a week, fan attendance will be back down to 8000 people like usual
Crazy how Florida produces such great baseball talent yet can be reasonably ranked as having the top two worst mlb cities.
I remember the Oakland A's of the early 1970s were the creme de la creme of MLB with the three-peat World Series crowns. What a difference five decades make.
What about the A’s in the late 80s and early 90s with the bash brothers? Jose Canseco, and Mark McGwire smashing home runs leading them to 3 straight AL pennants, 1988-90 and the 1989 World Series title. They were competitive in the late 90s early 2000s but since then you’re right what in the hell has happened?
@@patrickwhelpley1745, bad and greedy management from people that aren't sports or baseball oriented. People blame both the city of Oakland and Alameda County. Neither body sees building a new ballpark as a priority. ICYMI cities and counties lose money on such venues and if they're privately owned the owners make beaucoup bucks. Don't expect help from Sacramento as currently there is a budget deficit and Gavin and the State Legislature both have more important fish to fry.
I believe a simple rule change would fix some of the attendance issues. Make the owners spend their revenue sharing on the team and not just pocket the money.
I personally won't go to a Miami game because there is not very much parking unless they fixed their parking dilemma since the last time I was there in 2016. Like I want to stand around in 92° heat that feels like 115° in the Sun and then add in 95% humidity. I wouldn't go if it was free with free beer.
As for Phoenix, no one wants to go out when it is 110+ degrees and roof or no roof you have to walk across a 150° street to get to the stadium. I've been there when it was 115° F and on blacktop pavement it is pushing 180°, yes 180 degrees or 83°C. Death valley measured over 200° F in the Sun on pavement. If the A's move to Vegas they'll need to put shade over walkways and use white cement for the parking lots or better parking buildings like at Chase field where no one wants to park on the roof.
And people wonder why I’m so critical of warm weather cities. That just plain sucks
C’mon, Vegas weekend games should start at 10 pm. And I wonder if their inevitable roof should even be retractable.
Then again, the Vegas TV market region would be tiny unless jackrabbits start getting paid and develop an interest in baseball. I’m not terribly sure that, especially with the RSN issues that have transpired, that there’s any wisdom in leaving a larger market.
@@PCSPounder Actually I'd watch the A's in Vegas if they gained an ownership that wanted to win like they did in the 1980s. They were always in the playoffs. The A's made a profit in 2022 despite losing 108 games by not spending money on the team. It is doubtful that Las Vegas will buy into John Fisher's 'Billionaire Owner of the A's' bullshit after watching him try to screw over Oakland who is running a huge $350 million deficit.
Fisher is not getting any municipality to buy him a stadium with his track record. He doesn't have the smarts or pull of Jeffrey Loria in either city.
About the only park worth seeing is Wrigley Field and maybe Fenway .
I have watched a game at Milwaukees Retracto Dome and the only think cool about it is watching the roof close.
Retracto Dome is about as sterile as it gets.
Old School just works in sports - any sport. New Stadiums kind of suck no matter the sport or the city.
Also with Florida has so much entertainment to offer watching a baseball game is low on the totem pole especially considering you would rather go to the beach or do something outside instead of watching a baseball game
Many other states have those things and still have big support for baseball. The problem is that the majority of the adults living in FL now didn't grow up in the state and they don't care about FL teams. There're just too many transplants.
Pittsburgh has never drawn well win or lose.
Too bad Miami doesn’t play in the AL east with two home series against the Yankees and Red Sox. The expats would fill the stands.
Just like Tampa Bay as always
aaah...actually...I really liked Chase Field! 110° outside, 65°! the fans are friendly and knowledgeable. not a bad 'seat in the house'. they even had a Hard Rock Cafe!
(sorry.....should read, "65° inside"....somehow the 'inside' got 'erased')
What’s crazy in their first decade 1995-2005, they won a World Series & 3 NL West Titles. Since 2005, 2 Nl West titles & 1 wild card appearance.
Baseball in general is dying. They may overall see at temporary boost in revenue due to exploding TV deals for sports teams, but kids aren't fans of baseball or playing it like they did in say the 50s. This is due to baseball being a really boring sport to watch, a boring sport to play, and too many games. Football (college and Pros) is just much more exciting to watch. With more things to do than ever before, its not worth spending my time. I've declined free tickets.
In warmer areas there are lots of other things to do, like go to the beach .
Minnesota has almost as many beaches as the rest of the nation combined. They also have much better weather than Arizona and Florida in the summer, but they have no trouble attracting fans.
Admittedly attendance has been down in Phoenix, but I find it extremely hard to believe that Detroit, Pittsburgh or Cincinnati are any better off given the product they put on the field.
I don't base it just on attendance. I also rate cities based on price, atmosphere, how they treat visiting fans. SD is great that way. NYY (and I'm from there)... is one of the worst.
PNC (Pittsburgh) is regarded as one of the best- if not the best- stadiums in the league so they get a lot of out-of-towners and Cincinnati this season has sold out games/has had higher attendance than past years due to them being unexpectedly good and having an exciting core of young players.
The morale of Cincinnati fans is lower than low. Ownership is flippant and arrogant. The product is minor league caliber. There's no reason for a Reds fan to go to the ballpark. I know I'm not going(and I love baseball).
This video is Spot on. Although I was a little surprised about Cleveland👍🏾
Hopefully, Nashville can get an MLB team fr one of these cities or at least an expansion team.
Maybe in ten years
For Miami, Tampa, and Oakland, the problems with their attendance are generally a combination of one or multiple of these factors:
-Stadium is a dump (A's, Rays)
-Stadium location sucks (Rays)
-The team is constantly torn down by penny-pinching ownership (all 3)
-Constant relocation threats, holding cities hostage if they don't get shiny stadiums every 2 decades (all 3)
-Jacking up ticket prices in spite of any of these problems (A's)
It feels like the ownership groups of these teams are actively trying to drive a wedge between their teams and the locals.
The Rays are damn-near impossible to reach from downtown Tampa due to them being in St. Petersburg, which is an atrociously congested bridge traffic trip away from where most of the fanbase would actually be (the fact that Tampa can sell out a HOCKEY team in part because they're downtown is a damning statement on the Rays stadium location). You'd have to plan your entire day around a big chunk of it being dedicated to traveling to the stadium, your job be damned, and even when you get there, the stadium is garbage and the owner would rather die than actually invest in the team's success 99% of the time.
The Marlins have torn down their roster so many times in the last 2 decades that it's hard to keep track, and even harder for the Miami faithful to actually feel invested in the team since people know the players will probably be sold off to line the owner's pockets anyway. They've had terrible owner after terrible owner.
And then you have Oakland, the poster child for what bad ownership does to a fanbase. Over the last 20 years Fischer has completely ruined a once-proud franchise, selling off the team for pennies whenever they get even remotely competitive to actively sabotage them, letting the Coliseum become literal sewage and a possum sanctuary, an active and credible threat of imminent relocation to Vegas, and to add insult to injury the ticket prices have been jacked up to be more expensive than Oracle Park. It's disgraceful.
It's not that these teams can't be supported by their cities, as these cities have shown immense support to local sports teams in the past and even recently to other franchises in the area. The common theme here is it is 100% on the owners that can't be bothered to give the fans more reasons to show up. If these teams had more competent owners running things, I guarantee the fans would show up for them.
MLB attendance keeps falling year after year. And now we have more crazy rules to try to fix the problems. What happened to the 2 1/2-hour games of the 1960s and 1970s? In the old days, the pitcher was ready for the next pitch immediately. And if the batter was fooling around, he was going to get a close shave on the next pitch. I once saw Bob Gibson mow down the Pirates in less than two hours. Now we have a bunch of primadonnas who go on injured reserve if they get a scratch on their hand from sliding.
I have great news for you George! The average game time so far this year is 2:38! Those crazy rules seem to have given you exactly what you wanted.
So sad what has happened to Cleveland. MLB needs a salary cap in the worst way. Fans of small market teams get worn out by constantly seeing their best players leave eventually. Cleveland had such a stacked roster in the 90s and year by year, a piece would be lost due to salary.
St Louis Cardinals: 3 to 3.5 million fans a year, always in top 5, and there are 19 metro areas with MLB teams that have bigger populations. They were 2nd in average home attendance last year, only behind the Dodgers.
Rockies fan here. Coors field is known as the most popular bar in Denver. lol. People just go for a good time, barely watching the game, but at least they come. Tampa and Miami attendances are shameful; especially considering how many great players come from Florida. Is everyone at the beach?
Dishonorable mention for Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, although a lot of that is due to frankly cheapskate owners not paying for talent.
The Cincinnati Reds should be on that list too ownership do not care if they win or not
I'm just happy my Royals didn't make this list.
Chicago. 2 summers ago we went to a White Sox night game. Just after getting on the Dan Ryan (expressway adjacent to the stadium) I thought I heard gunshots but my brother laughed it off. 2 days later I read about a newly retired special needs teacher who had been at the game with her former coworkers to celebrate her retirement and caught a stray bullet on the way home and died. I heard the shots that ended her life. And no this wasnt a random occurence. Theres like 200 expressway shootings a year in chicago. Stay away. Its like playing Russian Roulette but with someone else holding the gun to your head.
Pittsburgh should be on the list, they haven’t been relevant in over 40 years
Costs to much to go. We are stuck with a single A team since the realignment. 17 bucks a seat plus parking fee. Add popcorn and a drink you're looking at a 50 dollar date for two. I'll games on the MLB network. Damn blackouts don't help at all.
Marlins winning two World Series titles and Tampa Bay won zero but the attendance I don’t know. Maybe it’s higher humidity that doesn’t have anyone coming to baseball games in summer in Florida
Such a shame the MLB spent so much time and money investing into the Florida markets when there is clearly 0 interest. Bring the Rays to Nashville!
Nasville would be a great baseball city just like Atlanta has been lately
You mean the corruption from the cities and the payouts the people in charge got.
I think Nashville will get a new franchise