Yep or maybe persuade my handy cousin to make a piece of wood that hinges, stays under the mattress when extended but flips up when you put it up. The stain would be hard to match but a strip of some simple decorative fabric would possibly work. Few companies do Murphy’s well. In the B+ category LTV Unity and Wonder manage to do do it. Airstream’s B+ as well. I can’t figure out why it’s so difficult. The devil’s in the details they say.
Forget the fixed ladder. A collapsing ladder is much more useful and you don’t have a slide to clean before retracting! Move the ladder where you need it, especially if washing the rig. AND, you can use a collapsing ladder at home too!
Getting close. Would love a similar 19’-22’ in this weight class with RB (rear bath) & Dinette, no slide, no bunk beds, no sofa, no theater seats no camp kitchen, no outdoor shower. A true couples camper.
I like the option to roll your own camp kitchen but I would like to see 110V and USB plugs in that space to give the option to throw a dorm fridge in there if wanted…
I like the smaller more versatile plans. Glad they deleted the camp kitchen. I would love to see a manufacturer make an option for a sturdy shelf or cabinet over the back bunk instead of an upper bunk. There should be a law that all under dinette storage should be accessible by a door or drawer. And yes, I hate when I can see the bottom of the Murphy bed.
Josh: If wife and I still had kids at home, there'd be a 22SE in our barn. What a great floor plan. Really like the double azdel. The aft passenger side storage compartment without a camp kitchen should be the standard. The lack of a ladder isn't necessarily a deal breaker. Can't say that the dark on dark/dark brown (almost black (interior is a great coachmen choice. We'd definitely option it out for a lighter interior. Really like the central A/C feature. Is there a sink cover (or an option for one) that would effectively increase the usable”counter space” until the dishes needed cleaning? Very nice to see the UUUUtensel draw is back. But I miss the road dog clock. I’d swap out the oven for a microwave convection oven. NO to the cargo door. But removable bunks would be a nice feature. At some point the kids will be gone and the bunks could be designed at the outset to be repurposed for empty nesters. As to leaving the queen bed down, if this were only going to be used as a coupe’s camper, another choice to consider might be the Coachmen 20SE. (full disclosure, wife and I have a Coachmen 204RD in our barn so we’re somewhat partial to Coachmen RV’s) Respectfully, W.S.
Water heater under the fridge? I wish all manufacturers would go to removable ladders with a mount. Less holes, ladder can be easily replaced. No camp kitchen. We’re using that space to put a child 😂 I’m not even kidding!
Not a lot to complain about with this one. If you've got little's, it's a great "get out and camp" floor plan! I would lose the outside speakers, what are they like a foot apart? I would like to so see a collapsible ladder mount, just to make roof maintenance a bit easier. Now, camp kitchen vs no camp kitchen... My vote is no camp kitchen. The griddle/grill's included with most are just not the best quality. I'd rather setup my Blackstone any day of the week. That said, I would like to see an outlet in the under bunk exterior cargo space so I can put in a dad's medicine cabinet of my liking.
Great floorplan. I would like for the outlets/usb plugs in the bunks to be higher up on the wall (in all rvs). The kids, as you said "thrashing around", break the cords. Maybe add a small cargo net to hold books or devices while sleeping too. Thanks for another great video!
Good stuff for no slide. Gotta get rid of shower curtain & put in one of t those flexible folding one so the dang curtain doesn't stick to you! Good tank size except the gray is way too small! Thx nerd!🎉🐾😎
Canvas material, in the color of cabinetry, attached to under-side of matress, would help. Water heater in area of use, is brilliant. Space is more valuable, and a simple, small, portable gas grill will meet the need of outside cooking. Love your reviews!
Great floor plan, one you could have for years, getting more difficult to find no slide towables these days. Definitely like the no outside kitchen, some type of ladder would be nice, ducted AC & no floor vents-awesome! Maybe add a solar prep? Great job Coachman👏👏 Thanks Josh!
This is a nice one. I am one of the few that truly prefer a no slide camper. Speaking of no slides...can you answer a question. Why is it that no one makes a no slide camper that is larger than 29 ft long?
Move the water heater into the back corner of the non camp kitchen so you have room for a small baggage door in the back under the bunk. And for a 110 outlet in the non camp kitchen area also, in case one wants to add a mini fridge or something else.
Adding the outlet and the fridge was one of the first things I did. I essentially divided it in half so it's now dual purpose. Still plenty of space as it's the full length of the lower bunk.
The overall floorplan is amazing and the lack of a camp kitchen allows for much needed storage👍but the cheap plastic toilet, Dollar Store 4” fart fan and shower curtain rivals Jayco for the most entry level bathroom😢
@@betterwithrum The Wildwood 261bhxl? If so, I totally agree. The only positive is that it does have a sink outside the bathroom so everyone doesn’t have to wash their hands, brush their teeth and shave in the kitchen sink🤢😂
Add electric outlet in the empty "camp kitchen" so a fridge and ice maker could be added. That would be a "design your own" camp kitchen. And add the hookup for a removable ladder.
I do like that instead of the camp kitchen you get a large compartment so you can essentially put together your own camp kitchen exactly how you want to be and just set it up on a table or put in your own slide out tray
We have had this floor plan in a Primetime 22MBH for 4 years and absolutely love it. It works well for couples camping or our grandkids. I wasn't a fan of the outside kitchen, but I use it all the time.
I would like to see the bunk beds gone and use that space for the bathroom and the bathroom for toddler bunks, grandkids. And the dinette lined up with the wall. Thanks, JP
I think it would look a little better if they had something to cover the Murphy bed. With a mid size truck and only 6200 towing this one might be pushing it but very nice camper
Okay, uncle Josh, I have a real question that needs a real answer, lol. Why aren't RV manufacturers building towables 100 or 102 inches wide? I know a few brands build 100 inch wide tow haulers and a handful of campers, but this RV is a great example of how a little more width would really help the bathroom and kitchen. A half foot of width would add around 6% more square footage to this Floorplan and probably 200lbs max to the empty weight.
Guessing you mean travel trailers specifically. Lots of wide body fifth wheels. There are some wide body trailers but less common. In travel trailers budgets become really aggressively competitive and it sometimes limits things
I would probably usually prefer the out door kitchen but if it was without I would appreciate a opportunity to diy my own. so the connections would be awesome
Seeing the top of the mattress when the bed is up wouldn't bother me. It'd be easy to hide with a curtain if someone didn't want to look at it. Prefer no camp kitchen because I want the storage. As long as there's the propane quick connect and an electrical outlet on the outside, it's easy enough to create your own outdoor kitchen anyway. I like the bathroom, but I don't like how the bathroom and big bunks are crammed together making door/access tight. As a solo, I'd be using the bunks as storage but they aren't really convenient for putting stuff in and out so this unit wouldn't be a good match for me. Plus, the GVWR is close to the max tow capacity of my truck and the hitch weight takes up most of my payload capacity, so not a great choice for my mid-size truck, either. This is definitely for a half-ton or more. But I do like the decor. I know dark wood isn't popular anymore and the lighter farm kitchen colors look nice and more open, but the lighter colors also show every little fly speck and splatter and place where condensation might have dried, so you're constantly washing every surface almost daily. Some people are into that...I'm not. I have better things to do with my time. LOL! Overall, I think this is a nice unit and I like the tandem axles and high CCC. But I do wish manufacturers would realize that not everyone is camping with a family. Some of us want work space and storage and CCC, not beds, beds, beds. LOL
Murphy bed craze has to end, most people don’t use it and when the mattress is replaced very difficult to fold, couch doesn’t have outside arm rests When you close the awning after a rain your either on your knees inside or back is wet , spend the extra 3 bucks and place it at a normal height
The stats on their popularity conflict with the idea people don’t use the Murphy bed. They’re not for everyone but they’re very popular and commonly enjoyed
I love this trailer! It reminds me of our 1st trailer, a 24 footer, that we bought in 1996 for 10,000! We had it for YEARS and camped with 5! The front bed was left to right (not front to back with the sofa) with a accordian door, and we put TONS of pillows so the kids and us could hang out on the big bed any time we wanted to. Also it had a flip up metal cover for the large front window. Those were the days! (And there were no camp kitchens or internet back then) Those were the days! :)
Driver-side kitchen, 12V fridge, true queen bed, solar, all plusses imho. I like how they segmented the storage on either side of the bed. The too-short tank cover is bogus. That should be replaced with a lockable cover that protects the tanks AND the batteries. Josh, you joked about what to do with the 'wall' once the bed was stowed. But I'd like to mount a bigger TV there and replace the couch (which was cool with the fancy cup holders, btw) with storage. Then I'd like to be able to convert the dinette seating into a couch-like TV viewing place; and be able to use the table as a dine-ofa OR lower it for coffee table mode. No camp kitchen is fine. But I'd like the option of no external storage there, and be able to use the bunk space as a compact office/radio shack/workshop/etc.
While this isn’t a camper for me. It would be nice to have a camp kitchen as an option. Some people do like them. mattresses come in different thickness so if replacing. You may have to be careful select one. Nice video.
Thank you!I like this if I am solo camping with my grands (or for the grand's parents)! The 12v fridge is my choice ... the bathroom faucet, the large single bowl kitchen sink, the freestanding movable table, the awesome size, no slide, and amenities! Add one of the little folding adjustable height tables to go with gas griddle to make my own outdoor kitchen. Please - ladder prep!!
Uncle Josh………..if it wasn’t for the cousin to this one ( Coachmen Freedom Express 238 BHS ), this was the one for us. It has nearly every feature we look for in a travel trailer. Great work as always Josh!!!!!!
voting against the camp kitchen. from what i can see they call it camp kitchen when you have that slideout griddle. you can put a decent two burner grill for much better cooking in there, or any of the portable camp grills. for where we go most camp sites have a dedicated picnic table anyway.
@@JoshtheRVNerd i think 40” and a different placement. I like to have a bigger tv for those trapped in the trailer due to weather days. I do have a suggestion for a future video. What is involved in buying a trailer if you come down to Bish’s from Canada. Border taxes, any other fees etc.
@@taylerannsupergirl5587 your GST always applies If you have the rv delivered to an entry/exit port, then usually you can avoid any US taxes but it may vary by state. This is question best fit for local team members They may need to do some checking to verify
I wish manufacturers would figure out a way to get rid of the bendi bed. Also, make this without bunks and give the option for a regular shower/Tub bath.
For us there are two “must haves”. A good camp kitchen, and, no bunks! I get there are a lot of families but it’s me and wife, and maybe an Adult guest (bunks typically are bad for adults). No slide outs is a big plus
If you going have bunks then there needs to be a privacy curtain for the murphy bed. Lower priced brands have aluminum wheels, looks much nicer. I would prefer a shower. A wall mounted table would be better too, those legs get in the way. Since there is no outside kitchen no need for that table to be mobile. We know the rest is very solid being a coachmen.
Seems like a similar layout to the Salem 19dbxlx. Any way we can get an updated video on that rig? I'd love to know if there are any updates for 2023. Love the layout, seems perfect for a family on the move.
That’s almost the same exact floor plan of our 2015 Flagstaff Microlight FBKS- the only difference is I have a kitchen slide for deep counter space and the back end has a large bathroom and no bunks. Having no extra bunks is the only thing I don’t like about our camper. We’re just a couple without kids, but I wish we had extra bunks for our dog’s crate. We put it in from of the stove and have to squeeze through it and the dinette to get to the bathroom.
👍🥳 It's Perfect We dont do TV while camping, We cook outside, Perfect for the wife and I, Cat claims top bunk, Not to keen on black cabinets, Water heater stays, Its a perfect canvas for us to make our own!
I’m already certified and I love your nerdiness 😂😂😂seriously, I appreciate and enjoy how thoroughly you present. You make shopping rv’s fun and informative. They have a huge sink in the kitchen which is nice, but maybe they could add a cover since it does take up the whole countertop🤔Thank You🤗
This is a similar floor plan to our Freedom Express Select 23.9SE. I have a few notes based on our experience. The bendy murphy bed mattress in ours was horrid. We replaced it with a 6" memory foam that we also use for other camping in a big tent. Even though I am a big man, it works well, and folds easy (we regularly roll it up and strap it into a log with no troubles). I do wish ours had the platform of the murphy bed, as we transition off the front pass-through onto the jackknife sofa, and it creates a an unsupported point in the mattress right under my hips. It doesn't bother my wife, but I have to be particular in how a sleep. Also, the USB and 110 outlets on the face of the pass through beside the bed are great for phones and CPAP, but I would prefer a cubby on the back side of the wardrobe on side of the bed. I've even contemplated taking out part of the panel on the wardrobe to make it. The movable table in the dinette is critical for us. Our 23.9 has a big U-dinette that we like for more seating, and we can move the table around so it is easier for people to get in and out. In the 23.9, the sink, stove, and fridge are on the camp side, so we don't have the big window, and our vents are blowing under the awning. I think I like this 22SE arrangement a little better for that. Also, there is no counter space. In ours, since the glass cover over the stove was broken by the previous owners, we bought a cutting board to create some usable space. Bathroom is DEFINITELY fluffy friendly. I am a big guy at 6'4 and over 400, but can fit in the bathroom, and take a shower in the 23.9. This 22 has the same bathroom layout. It's not the Ritz, but it is functional. We like the tub for our small children to get them washed up, as they don't like showers, generally. Water heater in the back is a good placement, except when it comes time to winterize and de-winterize. You have to flip up the mattress in the lower bunk, and lift out a piece of the platform to get to the valves. Not a deal breaker, but a consideration. We used the little cargo cubby under the lower bunk in front of the water heater as a place for a dog bed. Our 23.9 has regular mini-blinds over the bunk windows (or is supposed to have them). One is completely missing from the previous owner. Snap on blackouts are so much better. Our 23.9 has a camp kitchen with a small fridge and a sink. We haven't used it much. I like having a fridge outside for holding some food or drinks so you're not constantly in and out of the cabin. But the sink is not too far from useless. Again, at my height, it is very uncomfortable to use the sink, but for quick rinses, or filling dog bowls, it's not bad. And we are able to tuck a 2-burner table-top camp stove that runs on 1-pound bottles in that area. But more storage for a camp stove or things like that would probably be a better use of the space. It's unfortunate that the 22SE doesn't have any form of power in that cargo area. I would call that a big miss.
@@JoshtheRVNerd correct! The dinette is what I would remove. Not only this would lighten up total weight, but I would build the bar under big window with storage.
I really like this. I have a few complaints. The oven is too small. I don't want the outside storage in the bunk area. I would rather have interior flex space for an office/studio. It needs a sink sprayer.
Well I like the lay out. Honestly everyone knows that is a Murphy bed so that part of the bed showing doesn't bother me because as a female, I would want to put a pretty fabric on there to match the decor I want to use. I would like to see a smaller sink but still deep and more counter top. Like the free floating table, some people are bigger than others ( my husband needs a little extra room) haha. WHY NO ARM RESTS ON THE COUCH? Other Murphy's have arm rests why can't these? On these light weight campers, I would want a tankless water heater and pass through door. Actually, I had pretty much wrote Coleman off due to quality, but with underbelly being covered, electric jack, azdele double walls, sealed piano hinges , double axel at this weight, not hot touch stuff on camp side. I am impressed. Walkable roof, wow. Yes need the stackable ladder. Wow, I am impressed Coachman. After looking back at the weight, you would need the double axial haha. I guess I looked to quick earlier haha! Great job Josh!!!!!!
Like the No slide setup as it allows for easier stealth camping (quick nap) without advertising your intent. Would forego a camp kitchen. Can put a 12 volt fridge out there if needed and swap between tow vehicle when on the road. This is presuming that cargo area could fit a 12 volt fridge. Any guess to the actual rough dimensions? If I were to get this model, I would look at removing the bunk beds. Then repurpose the area with a desk and additional storage (maybe ebike) I would also consider the 50 amp upgrade along with the solar package. Solar option comes with the more desirable MPPT charger which supports up to 30 amps. So this trailer seems to offer a layout that could be easily customized to my specific needs. YMMV
Apologies we aren't provided with specs to the level of specificity that tells us the size of cabinet and storage spaces. I know I can climb in it so I feel like there is likely some variety of 12v cooler/fridge that could do the trick. 50amp is not offered on these as it turns out. May I ask what benefit you'd find by going ot 50amp vs. 30 on here?
The Murphy bed is a necessity for me, excellent use of space, doesn't bother me that the mattress is seen peeking out at the top. I cover it by tucking the quilt under the end of the bed and it displays nicely. Disappointed in the lack of counter prep space. Storage access below the belt line should be in the form of drawers. No one wants to get on their hands & knees to search a cabinet at floor level. I'd also want a window in the bathroom and switch out the fart fan for a Maxx fan for total coach ventilation when the AC isn't needed. I have a great TT outfitted to my liking similar to this with the outdoor kitchen, will switch the 2-burnwr stove for a 17" Blackstone griddle.
The bare area above the murphy bed can be very versital. All you need is some grabby clamps around the edge. To can get one of those throw blanets with the wolves, dogs, deer or other scenes. Clamp/hang them like a picture. It both hides the ugly backing and puts your preferrance of a makeshift picture!
Can I trade in my truck with you for a half ton or suv big one that can pull a trailer icon make payments in my bank my money goes direct to the bank every month its in there
You wanted some comments, so I have several, no particular order. 1) Personally, we like the idea of no camp kitchen. We find the storage space much more useful. 2) Central air on this small a model is excellent. Much better than the old style AC on my 2021 20SE model. 3) When you say "bendy bed", are you talking about a soft, thin so called mattress? If so, will a 5" memory foam mattress work in its place? 4) I prefer a pedestal table, as long as the pedestal holders are recessed. 5) I do not like the awning IN/OUT switch so far down. If I'm inside with the awning out, and winds really pick up, I'd have to get down on my knees to close the awning. 6) Are there no clothes hanger bars in the closets? 7) While the tub is very nice, for some of us older campers, the shorter step up on a shower is better. 8) Too bad Coachmen doesn't use the GoodYear Endurance tire. 9) The full pass through storage is a huge plus. 10) Can live without the built on ladder. I currently carry a telescoping ladder in the pass through storage in my current 2021 Coachmen 20SE. 11) Any wood in the laminated floor? 12) Love that Coachmen is using Azdel both outside and inside now. 13) Does the TV mount angle down? That would help when looking at the TV, especially from the dinette seat. 14) Finally, a big question concerning the bunks. Is it possible, conceivable for a manufacturer to offer as an option, a walk-in closet and other storage drawers in lieu of the bunks? I like more closet storage. Going from Virginia to Yellowstone, light and heavier clothing is needed, which means more clothes and coat storage space is needed. When we were in Yellowstone in 2018, temperatures got into the 40's in early July. Sorry for the tome. Hope it's not too much. I have liked your RV walk throughs, for lack of a better term, since the old Haylett RV days.
THANK YOU so much for all the feedback! I asked and man you delivered :) 3.) Bendy bed - the mattress literally folds. It's just my silly nerdism name for it 5.) I just used my toe 6.) They use a hanging rack. It can be hard to see on camera. Does a great job of holding the hangers in place vs. sliding around. 11.) Yes. Top and bottom layers. 13.) It does not as a turns out. It would really help. 14.) Not impossible but factories benefit from standardization. Options create opportunities for errors. So MFGs try to limit them.
@@JoshtheRVNerd 14) Are the bunks removal by the purchaser? 6) Like in the Coachmen FE 20SE. 5) Hadn't thought about that. Didn't have my thinking cap on.
Hey Josh! I like this unit. It does need some type of ladder. The outlet/switch covers need to be a lighter color than the back ground. I’d like to see more counter prep space. As far as a camp kitchen or rear cargo door. I am undecided. Make them available as an option? What are the solar options? I have been a RockStaff fan for several years but, I am liking Freedom Express too.
A smaller sink for more counter space. Plus change that triangle storage and countertop to something with a large pop-up extension counter. If hiding the top of bed is desired a fale cabinet door that hinges up . Plus a privacy curtain for bed. There's always trade offs ,some to keep it light or to the price lower. Overall a nice put together unit.
Not a fan of their dark decors. We had a 2018 FE and loved the light, warm decor but replacing it last year we went with a Jayco and partly because the modern farmhouse looks so much nicer to us.
First off...waited months for this review...finally! I love ours and i wanted to know what your thoughts were of course. Coming from a 2022 Nano 208 to the 22SE...I like my 22SE much more. I've had it for almost 2 months and since then I've added a shelf to the upper corner cabinet, added an outlet to the lower bunk, removed that panel under the kitchen sink that made the bottom shelf unusable, replaced all the hardware with brushed brass (looks awesome against the black), reframed the entire lower bunk to make things a bit more usable while also adding an outlet to the outside empty storage space so a mini fridge could be added. In addition I remade those panels in the front storage area to be narrower so I would have more storage space. Lastly one miss...which is a hard fix because of the existing holes...is they should have used magnetic holds for the cargo doors. My nano had them but this one has the cheap plastic spring hooks.
also the actual size of the door window that doesn't have a shade?? :) i'm picking mine up this weekend and want to preorder the sink cover and window shade!
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is there bunk house free version of this layout? that's just wasted space for us and really do not want to renovate a brand new unit to create an office
I’d like to see a camp kitchen as at least an optional upgrade. Probably the best way to approach it given this unit’s budget conscious position in the market.
Wonder if the water heater could be partially under the basin, maybe protruding into the kitchen by removing a section of that interior wall. Maybe raise the basin or drop through the floor, if need be. Would need to compensate by adding a bit of storage, maybe up above or on the blank wall.
I think it would be great to have an outdoor slide out kitchen option. Take the interior kitchen space and increase the bathroom size and add storage and closet space. Almost everybody I know who goes camping cook's outside.
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I gotta slow down or... something.
lay off that third mug of espresso
Can you just add them to the notes?
I would install curtains to cover the Murphy Bed.
Yep or maybe persuade my handy cousin to make a piece of wood that hinges, stays under the mattress when extended but flips up when you put it up. The stain would be hard to match but a strip of some simple decorative fabric would possibly work.
Few companies do Murphy’s well. In the B+ category LTV Unity and Wonder manage to do do it. Airstream’s B+ as well. I can’t figure out why it’s so difficult. The devil’s in the details they say.
Forget the fixed ladder. A collapsing ladder is much more useful and you don’t have a slide to clean before retracting! Move the ladder where you need it, especially if washing the rig. AND, you can use a collapsing ladder at home too!
Ty
Plus one! It’s less holes in the wall and roof
Getting close.
Would love a similar 19’-22’ in this weight class with RB (rear bath) & Dinette, no slide, no bunk beds, no sofa, no theater seats no camp kitchen, no outdoor shower. A true couples camper.
Could be nice!
Totally agree that every RV should have at minimum a telescopic ladder with mount standard👍👍👍
I like the option to roll your own camp kitchen but I would like to see 110V and USB plugs in that space to give the option to throw a dorm fridge in there if wanted…
That could be handy for a bunch of outdoor stuff
I agree with you bro
I like the smaller more versatile plans. Glad they deleted the camp kitchen. I would love to see a manufacturer make an option for a sturdy shelf or cabinet over the back bunk instead of an upper bunk. There should be a law that all under dinette storage should be accessible by a door or drawer. And yes, I hate when I can see the bottom of the Murphy bed.
There oughtta be a law!
Josh: If wife and I still had kids at home, there'd be a 22SE in our barn. What a great floor plan. Really like the double azdel. The aft passenger side storage compartment without a camp kitchen should be the standard. The lack of a ladder isn't necessarily a deal breaker. Can't say that the dark on dark/dark brown (almost black (interior is a great coachmen choice. We'd definitely option it out for a lighter interior. Really like the central A/C feature. Is there a sink cover (or an option for one) that would effectively increase the usable”counter space” until the dishes needed cleaning? Very nice to see the UUUUtensel draw is back. But I miss the road dog clock. I’d swap out the oven for a microwave convection oven. NO to the cargo door. But removable bunks would be a nice feature. At some point the kids will be gone and the bunks could be designed at the outset to be repurposed for empty nesters. As to leaving the queen bed down, if this were only going to be used as a coupe’s camper, another choice to consider might be the Coachmen 20SE. (full disclosure, wife and I have a Coachmen 204RD in our barn so we’re somewhat partial to Coachmen RV’s) Respectfully, W.S.
Yeah this is a solidly done model. It feels like they’re really getting it dialed in
Water heater under the fridge? I wish all manufacturers would go to removable ladders with a mount. Less holes, ladder can be easily replaced. No camp kitchen. We’re using that space to put a child 😂 I’m not even kidding!
I’m new to the camping world , why do some people not want camp kitchen ?
Not a lot to complain about with this one. If you've got little's, it's a great "get out and camp" floor plan! I would lose the outside speakers, what are they like a foot apart? I would like to so see a collapsible ladder mount, just to make roof maintenance a bit easier. Now, camp kitchen vs no camp kitchen... My vote is no camp kitchen. The griddle/grill's included with most are just not the best quality. I'd rather setup my Blackstone any day of the week. That said, I would like to see an outlet in the under bunk exterior cargo space so I can put in a dad's medicine cabinet of my liking.
Outlet in there would be handy
Is there a version without bunk beds?
Not directly. This is their No bunk no slide option m.czcams.com/video/h-f453aaMPY/video.html
The only thing we like in a camp kitchen, is a small fridge so you don't always have to go in for a drink!
An outlet in there would be handy for that
Great floorplan. I would like for the outlets/usb plugs in the bunks to be higher up on the wall (in all rvs). The kids, as you said "thrashing around", break the cords. Maybe add a small cargo net to hold books or devices while sleeping too. Thanks for another great video!
Smart!
The outdoor storage on this model is amazing,
Yep yep!!
Like this too, don’t miss the camp kitchen!
I really like this floor plan. A few features that I’d like to see: receiver for a bike rack, ladder or ladder mount, and outdoor shower.
👍🏻 ty
Fair points I think
Low shower base would be better/w a shower door slide curtain.
Good stuff for no slide. Gotta get rid of shower curtain & put in one of t those flexible folding one so the dang curtain doesn't stick to you!
Good tank size except the gray is way too small! Thx nerd!🎉🐾😎
Those swingout shower bars are handy for that too
Canvas material, in the color of cabinetry, attached to under-side of matress, would help.
Water heater in area of use, is brilliant.
Space is more valuable, and a simple, small, portable gas grill will meet the need of outside cooking.
Love your reviews!
Ty!
Camp kitchen should be a option. But I do like the extra storage.
Ty
Would love to see one like this with no bunks would give you an area for the bedroom or more storage.
Seems like it’s a popular idea. Ty
Would like to see this without bunks
I can respect that, but don’t you think there are enough non-bunk options?
The bunk bed room could be used as good storage area, especially if you removed the bunks.
Could be made into a walk in closet
Like but wish it have a outside kitchen..love murphy bed also no slide out with this layout is okay.
Great floor plan, one you could have for years, getting more difficult to find no slide towables these days. Definitely like the no outside kitchen, some type of ladder would be nice, ducted AC & no floor vents-awesome! Maybe add a solar prep? Great job Coachman👏👏 Thanks Josh!
Thx Jessie
This is a nice one. I am one of the few that truly prefer a no slide camper. Speaking of no slides...can you answer a question. Why is it that no one makes a no slide camper that is larger than 29 ft long?
I’ve seen a few brands try bigger so slides. People just stop wanting to pay for a big rv with no slides. It’s odd
It's fine just the way it is. I personally wouldn't change a thing.
Ty Danny
Thanks, Coachman. Love the tub. Love the height. Love the awning button placement. This model is in my top five. Really like it.
Wow nice!
Move the water heater into the back corner of the non camp kitchen so you have room for a small baggage door in the back under the bunk. And for a 110 outlet in the non camp kitchen area also, in case one wants to add a mini fridge or something else.
Adding the outlet and the fridge was one of the first things I did. I essentially divided it in half so it's now dual purpose. Still plenty of space as it's the full length of the lower bunk.
Love the outlet idea
The overall floorplan is amazing and the lack of a camp kitchen allows for much needed storage👍but the cheap plastic toilet, Dollar Store 4” fart fan and shower curtain rivals Jayco for the most entry level bathroom😢
Go and look at the bathroom on a 26BHXL. I was in one today, clown cars are more spacious.
@@betterwithrum The Wildwood 261bhxl? If so, I totally agree. The only positive is that it does have a sink outside the bathroom so everyone doesn’t have to wash their hands, brush their teeth and shave in the kitchen sink🤢😂
T molded vs. sealed edge. Thank you for explaining that. 7:00
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Add electric outlet in the empty "camp kitchen" so a fridge and ice maker could be added. That would be a "design your own" camp kitchen. And add the hookup for a removable ladder.
Yeah that's a reallyyyyyy solid idea
@@JoshtheRVNerd also add a light to that space.
On this unit I would definitely want a camp kitchen. Also, a ladder for the top bunk would be helpful
Ty
I don't like seeing the bottom of the bed either it should be hidden
I do like that instead of the camp kitchen you get a large compartment so you can essentially put together your own camp kitchen exactly how you want to be and just set it up on a table or put in your own slide out tray
Yeah it’s super handy to pack in whatever you’d like
We have had this floor plan in a Primetime 22MBH for 4 years and absolutely love it. It works well for couples camping or our grandkids. I wasn't a fan of the outside kitchen, but I use it all the time.
Great to hear!
I would like to see the bunk beds gone and use that space for the bathroom and the bathroom for toddler bunks, grandkids. And the dinette lined up with the wall. Thanks, JP
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I think it would look a little better if they had something to cover the Murphy bed. With a mid size truck and only 6200 towing this one might be pushing it but very nice camper
I tow our 22SE with a 23 Tundra SR crewmax and I don't even know it's back there.
You could just put a small curtain skirt above the Murphy bed to hide the mattress when it is in the storage position
Solid idea
Okay, uncle Josh, I have a real question that needs a real answer, lol. Why aren't RV manufacturers building towables 100 or 102 inches wide? I know a few brands build 100 inch wide tow haulers and a handful of campers, but this RV is a great example of how a little more width would really help the bathroom and kitchen. A half foot of width would add around 6% more square footage to this Floorplan and probably 200lbs max to the empty weight.
Guessing you mean travel trailers specifically. Lots of wide body fifth wheels.
There are some wide body trailers but less common. In travel trailers budgets become really aggressively competitive and it sometimes limits things
I would probably usually prefer the out door kitchen but if it was without I would appreciate a opportunity to diy my own. so the connections would be awesome
A power outlet in that storage bay would be handy
Seeing the top of the mattress when the bed is up wouldn't bother me. It'd be easy to hide with a curtain if someone didn't want to look at it. Prefer no camp kitchen because I want the storage. As long as there's the propane quick connect and an electrical outlet on the outside, it's easy enough to create your own outdoor kitchen anyway. I like the bathroom, but I don't like how the bathroom and big bunks are crammed together making door/access tight. As a solo, I'd be using the bunks as storage but they aren't really convenient for putting stuff in and out so this unit wouldn't be a good match for me. Plus, the GVWR is close to the max tow capacity of my truck and the hitch weight takes up most of my payload capacity, so not a great choice for my mid-size truck, either. This is definitely for a half-ton or more. But I do like the decor. I know dark wood isn't popular anymore and the lighter farm kitchen colors look nice and more open, but the lighter colors also show every little fly speck and splatter and place where condensation might have dried, so you're constantly washing every surface almost daily. Some people are into that...I'm not. I have better things to do with my time. LOL! Overall, I think this is a nice unit and I like the tandem axles and high CCC. But I do wish manufacturers would realize that not everyone is camping with a family. Some of us want work space and storage and CCC, not beds, beds, beds. LOL
Ty! Seeing the mattress doesn’t bother me either. We are camping. It’s ok
no need for Camp kitchen , plenty of Portable Options
Murphy bed craze has to end, most people don’t use it and when the mattress is replaced very difficult to fold, couch doesn’t have outside arm rests
When you close the awning after a rain your either on your knees inside or back is wet , spend the extra 3 bucks and place it at a normal height
The stats on their popularity conflict with the idea people don’t use the Murphy bed. They’re not for everyone but they’re very popular and commonly enjoyed
Nice little camper. Great video Josh.
Ty Sir!!
I love this trailer! It reminds me of our 1st trailer, a 24 footer, that we bought in 1996 for 10,000! We had it for YEARS and camped with 5! The front bed was left to right (not front to back with the sofa) with a accordian door, and we put TONS of pillows so the kids and us could hang out on the big bed any time we wanted to. Also it had a flip up metal cover for the large front window. Those were the days! (And there were no camp kitchens or internet back then) Those were the days! :)
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Driver-side kitchen, 12V fridge, true queen bed, solar, all plusses imho. I like how they segmented the storage on either side of the bed. The too-short tank cover is bogus. That should be replaced with a lockable cover that protects the tanks AND the batteries.
Josh, you joked about what to do with the 'wall' once the bed was stowed. But I'd like to mount a bigger TV there and replace the couch (which was cool with the fancy cup holders, btw) with storage. Then I'd like to be able to convert the dinette seating into a couch-like TV viewing place; and be able to use the table as a dine-ofa OR lower it for coffee table mode.
No camp kitchen is fine. But I'd like the option of no external storage there, and be able to use the bunk space as a compact office/radio shack/workshop/etc.
That’s a super interesting idea..
Totally agree. At least a ladder mount.
Ty
Optional office instead of bunks, or just leave it blank so one can built it out as one sees fit.
While this isn’t a camper for me. It would be nice to have a camp kitchen as an option. Some people do like them. mattresses come in different thickness so if replacing. You may have to be careful select one. Nice video.
Replaced my mattress with a 6-inch Zinus. Didn't want to go any thicker because weight would become an issue during folding. 0:21
Thank you!I like this if I am solo camping with my grands (or for the grand's parents)! The 12v fridge is my choice ... the bathroom faucet, the large single bowl kitchen sink, the freestanding movable table, the awesome size, no slide, and amenities! Add one of the little folding adjustable height tables to go with gas griddle to make my own outdoor kitchen. Please - ladder prep!!
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Uncle Josh………..if it wasn’t for the cousin to this one ( Coachmen Freedom Express 238 BHS ), this was the one for us. It has nearly every feature we look for in a travel trailer. Great work as always Josh!!!!!!
Yeah I like the duality they have there
voting against the camp kitchen. from what i can see they call it camp kitchen when you have that slideout griddle. you can put a decent two burner grill for much better cooking in there, or any of the portable camp grills. for where we go most camp sites have a dedicated picnic table anyway.
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Deff full storage. Always have the ability to take out lower bunk and have a half "flex" space with outside pass through. Thanks josh!!
Interesting!
I would like to see a bigger TV. The tub is awesome.
What size tv feels right?
@@JoshtheRVNerd i think 40” and a different placement. I like to have a bigger tv for those trapped in the trailer due to weather days. I do have a suggestion for a future video. What is involved in buying a trailer if you come down to Bish’s from Canada. Border taxes, any other fees etc.
@@taylerannsupergirl5587 your GST always applies
If you have the rv delivered to an entry/exit port, then usually you can avoid any US taxes but it may vary by state. This is question best fit for local team members
They may need to do some checking to verify
I wish manufacturers would figure out a way to get rid of the bendi bed. Also, make this without bunks and give the option for a regular shower/Tub bath.
It can be done. Rockwood has done it for a decade
@@JoshtheRVNerd I have apparently been living under a rock 🤣
I like how your Kia made a few appearances.
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The ULTIMATE tow vehicle
Nice finishes and checks almost all the boxes.. we removed the panel at the back of the dinette to have a shoe cubby on our rv.
That's a great idea!
I don't think it would add much, if anything to the cost, they should replace the water heater cover and fridge vent with white ones
Put a curtain up of a tropical beach or tranquil waterfall to cover bottom of murphy bed. Light weight and scenic.
I've seen folks do some pretty creative things there
For us there are two “must haves”. A good camp kitchen, and, no bunks! I get there are a lot of families but it’s me and wife, and maybe an Adult guest (bunks typically are bad for adults). No slide outs is a big plus
If you going have bunks then there needs to be a privacy curtain for the murphy bed. Lower priced brands have aluminum wheels, looks much nicer. I would prefer a shower. A wall mounted table would be better too, those legs get in the way. Since there is no outside kitchen no need for that table to be mobile. We know the rest is very solid being a coachmen.
Solid input
I think, as a entry level camper. A first time camper would like aleast a small refrigerator and leave the rest for out side storage.
At least an outlet out there would be handy
Need solarpanals too
IMO 1 double bowl sink option, 2 increase counter space by reducing the stove to a 2 burner no oven option 3 camp kitchen option
Seems like a similar layout to the Salem 19dbxlx. Any way we can get an updated video on that rig? I'd love to know if there are any updates for 2023. Love the layout, seems perfect for a family on the move.
That’s almost the same exact floor plan of our 2015 Flagstaff Microlight FBKS- the only difference is I have a kitchen slide for deep counter space and the back end has a large bathroom and no bunks. Having no extra bunks is the only thing I don’t like about our camper. We’re just a couple without kids, but I wish we had extra bunks for our dog’s crate. We put it in from of the stove and have to squeeze through it and the dinette to get to the bathroom.
Make it a 26se and keep the Murphy extend the counter 😍😍
Not a bad idea
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We dont do TV while camping,
We cook outside,
Perfect for the wife and I,
Cat claims top bunk,
Not to keen on black cabinets,
Water heater stays,
Its a perfect canvas for us to make our own!
I like how it is. I wish I had to walk around the bed.
The tub is great for kids!
I’m already certified and I love your nerdiness 😂😂😂seriously, I appreciate and enjoy how thoroughly you present. You make shopping rv’s fun and informative. They have a huge sink in the kitchen which is nice, but maybe they could add a cover since it does take up the whole countertop🤔Thank You🤗
I’m guessing we could probably get a sink cover that fits this, since it is the same think they use in their other models to my knowledge
NO camp kitchen should be the standard for every RV
This is a similar floor plan to our Freedom Express Select 23.9SE. I have a few notes based on our experience.
The bendy murphy bed mattress in ours was horrid. We replaced it with a 6" memory foam that we also use for other camping in a big tent. Even though I am a big man, it works well, and folds easy (we regularly roll it up and strap it into a log with no troubles). I do wish ours had the platform of the murphy bed, as we transition off the front pass-through onto the jackknife sofa, and it creates a an unsupported point in the mattress right under my hips. It doesn't bother my wife, but I have to be particular in how a sleep. Also, the USB and 110 outlets on the face of the pass through beside the bed are great for phones and CPAP, but I would prefer a cubby on the back side of the wardrobe on side of the bed. I've even contemplated taking out part of the panel on the wardrobe to make it.
The movable table in the dinette is critical for us. Our 23.9 has a big U-dinette that we like for more seating, and we can move the table around so it is easier for people to get in and out. In the 23.9, the sink, stove, and fridge are on the camp side, so we don't have the big window, and our vents are blowing under the awning. I think I like this 22SE arrangement a little better for that. Also, there is no counter space. In ours, since the glass cover over the stove was broken by the previous owners, we bought a cutting board to create some usable space.
Bathroom is DEFINITELY fluffy friendly. I am a big guy at 6'4 and over 400, but can fit in the bathroom, and take a shower in the 23.9. This 22 has the same bathroom layout. It's not the Ritz, but it is functional. We like the tub for our small children to get them washed up, as they don't like showers, generally.
Water heater in the back is a good placement, except when it comes time to winterize and de-winterize. You have to flip up the mattress in the lower bunk, and lift out a piece of the platform to get to the valves. Not a deal breaker, but a consideration. We used the little cargo cubby under the lower bunk in front of the water heater as a place for a dog bed. Our 23.9 has regular mini-blinds over the bunk windows (or is supposed to have them). One is completely missing from the previous owner. Snap on blackouts are so much better.
Our 23.9 has a camp kitchen with a small fridge and a sink. We haven't used it much. I like having a fridge outside for holding some food or drinks so you're not constantly in and out of the cabin. But the sink is not too far from useless. Again, at my height, it is very uncomfortable to use the sink, but for quick rinses, or filling dog bowls, it's not bad. And we are able to tuck a 2-burner table-top camp stove that runs on 1-pound bottles in that area. But more storage for a camp stove or things like that would probably be a better use of the space. It's unfortunate that the 22SE doesn't have any form of power in that cargo area. I would call that a big miss.
Power outlet in the cargo area would be great for sure. This is basically the update to the 23.9SE
Ace Ventura pic got you a sub, was not expecting that lol!
It’s Art. Not everyone is ready for it. Lol
I would get rid of banquet and either install bar / storage under window and have bar stools to sit and enjoy the view
For clarity - the booth dinette is what you’re referencing correct?
@@JoshtheRVNerd correct! The dinette is what I would remove. Not only this would lighten up total weight, but I would build the bar under big window with storage.
RockStaff does the best Murphy beds.
I agree
I would prefer no bunk beds on this type of camper. And It would be nice if the mattress was not seen when folded up.
Take out the bunks run the bath across the back expand the counter tops and make a couples version
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I really like this. I have a few complaints. The oven is too small. I don't want the outside storage in the bunk area. I would rather have interior flex space for an office/studio. It needs a sink sprayer.
I don't bunks outside in storage area
I agree about having the ladder, but would like to see water on the outside to rinse off kids. Other than that i think it is a perfect set up
Thx Brandon
Well I like the lay out. Honestly everyone knows that is a Murphy bed so that part of the bed showing doesn't bother me because as a female, I would want to put a pretty fabric on there to match the decor I want to use. I would like to see a smaller sink but still deep and more counter top. Like the free floating table, some people are bigger than others ( my husband needs a little extra room) haha. WHY NO ARM RESTS ON THE COUCH? Other Murphy's have arm rests why can't these? On these light weight campers, I would want a tankless water heater and pass through door. Actually, I had pretty much wrote Coleman off due to quality, but with underbelly being covered, electric jack, azdele double walls, sealed piano hinges , double axel at this weight, not hot touch stuff on camp side. I am impressed. Walkable roof, wow. Yes need the stackable ladder. Wow, I am impressed Coachman. After looking back at the weight, you would need the double axial haha. I guess I looked to quick earlier haha! Great job Josh!!!!!!
Like the No slide setup as it allows for easier stealth camping (quick nap) without advertising your intent.
Would forego a camp kitchen. Can put a 12 volt fridge out there if needed and swap between tow vehicle when on the road. This is presuming that cargo area could fit a 12 volt fridge. Any guess to the actual rough dimensions?
If I were to get this model, I would look at removing the bunk beds. Then repurpose the area with a desk and additional storage (maybe ebike)
I would also consider the 50 amp upgrade along with the solar package. Solar option comes with the more desirable MPPT charger which supports up to 30 amps.
So this trailer seems to offer a layout that could be easily customized to my specific needs. YMMV
Apologies we aren't provided with specs to the level of specificity that tells us the size of cabinet and storage spaces. I know I can climb in it so I feel like there is likely some variety of 12v cooler/fridge that could do the trick.
50amp is not offered on these as it turns out. May I ask what benefit you'd find by going ot 50amp vs. 30 on here?
The Murphy bed is a necessity for me, excellent use of space, doesn't bother me that the mattress is seen peeking out at the top. I cover it by tucking the quilt under the end of the bed and it displays nicely.
Disappointed in the lack of counter prep space. Storage access below the belt line should be in the form of drawers. No one wants to get on their hands & knees to search a cabinet at floor level. I'd also want a window in the bathroom and switch out the fart fan for a Maxx fan for total coach ventilation when the AC isn't needed.
I have a great TT outfitted to my liking similar to this with the outdoor kitchen, will switch the 2-burnwr stove for a 17" Blackstone griddle.
No slide and small size usually seems to yield those small counters. Agree on the bed covering. Ty
Small size? Don’t really need two kitchens. Good choice to make it storage.
The bare area above the murphy bed can be very versital. All you need is some grabby clamps around the edge. To can get one of those throw blanets with the wolves, dogs, deer or other scenes. Clamp/hang them like a picture. It both hides the ugly backing and puts your preferrance of a makeshift picture!
Interesting idea!
Can I trade in my truck with you for a half ton or suv big one that can pull a trailer icon make payments in my bank my money goes direct to the bank every month its in there
You wanted some comments, so I have several, no particular order.
1) Personally, we like the idea of no camp kitchen. We find the storage space much more useful.
2) Central air on this small a model is excellent. Much better than the old style AC on my 2021 20SE model.
3) When you say "bendy bed", are you talking about a soft, thin so called mattress? If so, will a 5" memory foam mattress work in its place?
4) I prefer a pedestal table, as long as the pedestal holders are recessed.
5) I do not like the awning IN/OUT switch so far down. If I'm inside with the awning out, and winds really pick up, I'd have to get down on my knees to close the awning.
6) Are there no clothes hanger bars in the closets?
7) While the tub is very nice, for some of us older campers, the shorter step up on a shower is better.
8) Too bad Coachmen doesn't use the GoodYear Endurance tire.
9) The full pass through storage is a huge plus.
10) Can live without the built on ladder. I currently carry a telescoping ladder in the pass through storage in my current 2021 Coachmen 20SE.
11) Any wood in the laminated floor?
12) Love that Coachmen is using Azdel both outside and inside now.
13) Does the TV mount angle down? That would help when looking at the TV, especially from the dinette seat.
14) Finally, a big question concerning the bunks. Is it possible, conceivable for a manufacturer to offer as an option, a walk-in closet and other storage drawers in lieu of the bunks? I like more closet storage. Going from Virginia to Yellowstone, light and heavier clothing is needed, which means more clothes and coat storage space is needed. When we were in Yellowstone in 2018, temperatures got into the 40's in early July.
Sorry for the tome. Hope it's not too much. I have liked your RV walk throughs, for lack of a better term, since the old Haylett RV days.
THANK YOU so much for all the feedback! I asked and man you delivered :)
3.) Bendy bed - the mattress literally folds. It's just my silly nerdism name for it
5.) I just used my toe
6.) They use a hanging rack. It can be hard to see on camera. Does a great job of holding the hangers in place vs. sliding around.
11.) Yes. Top and bottom layers.
13.) It does not as a turns out. It would really help.
14.) Not impossible but factories benefit from standardization. Options create opportunities for errors. So MFGs try to limit them.
@@JoshtheRVNerd 14) Are the bunks removal by the purchaser? 6) Like in the Coachmen FE 20SE. 5) Hadn't thought about that. Didn't have my thinking cap on.
Hey Josh! I like this unit. It does need some type of ladder. The outlet/switch covers need to be a lighter color than the back ground. I’d like to see more counter prep space. As far as a camp kitchen or rear cargo door. I am undecided. Make them available as an option? What are the solar options? I have been a RockStaff fan for several years but, I am liking Freedom Express too.
A smaller sink for more counter space. Plus change that triangle storage and countertop to something with a large pop-up extension counter. If hiding the top of bed is desired a fale cabinet door that hinges up . Plus a privacy curtain for bed. There's always trade offs ,some to keep it light or to the price lower. Overall a nice put together unit.
Thx Mark. I think this is a good mix of those factors
I cover mine with the bedding, quilt tucked under the mattress. Displays nicely.
Not a fan of their dark decors. We had a 2018 FE and loved the light, warm decor but replacing it last year we went with a Jayco and partly because the modern farmhouse looks so much nicer to us.
I hear 2024 will update the decors from this dark look
Biggest problem I had with a smaller TV is a LOUD AC and in Texas or NEVER cooled off the unit
First off...waited months for this review...finally! I love ours and i wanted to know what your thoughts were of course.
Coming from a 2022 Nano 208 to the 22SE...I like my 22SE much more. I've had it for almost 2 months and since then I've added a shelf to the upper corner cabinet, added an outlet to the lower bunk, removed that panel under the kitchen sink that made the bottom shelf unusable, replaced all the hardware with brushed brass (looks awesome against the black), reframed the entire lower bunk to make things a bit more usable while also adding an outlet to the outside empty storage space so a mini fridge could be added. In addition I remade those panels in the front storage area to be narrower so I would have more storage space. Lastly one miss...which is a hard fix because of the existing holes...is they should have used magnetic holds for the cargo doors. My nano had them but this one has the cheap plastic spring hooks.
Yeah sorry it took so long. There’s a big world of rvs to cover!
Can you share the actual size of the sink?
also the actual size of the door window that doesn't have a shade?? :) i'm picking mine up this weekend and want to preorder the sink cover and window shade!
@@laurahills618Sorry...I did not get any notifications for your messages. Congratulations though on the new camper! Really loving mine!
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I love no slide campers.
There’s a beauty in the simplicity
I don’t like seeing the mattress either. A simple fabric curtain that matched the decor would be perfect in my opinion.
is there bunk house free version of this layout? that's just wasted space for us and really do not want to renovate a brand new unit to create an office
Not exactly. This is their no bunk SE model m.czcams.com/video/h-f453aaMPY/video.html
I’d like to see a camp kitchen as at least an optional upgrade. Probably the best way to approach it given this unit’s budget conscious position in the market.
Also, a ladder, in one form or another, is always a good decision.
The idea of just storage is kinda growing on me
Oo! Nice
Wonder if the water heater could be partially under the basin, maybe protruding into the kitchen by removing a section of that interior wall. Maybe raise the basin or drop through the floor, if need be. Would need to compensate by adding a bit of storage, maybe up above or on the blank wall.
Dropping the floor in a laminated rv becomes extremely challenging and problematic but I like the innovative ideas!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Ah! Okay. Scrap that bit then. 🙂
Smart well thought out family rig.
Agreed! Ty
No camp kitchen gives you more storage and options.
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Instead of the Double Bunks I would prefer an empty space to have my office in there.
Bunks could be removed for what it's worth
@@JoshtheRVNerd that's awesome. Thank YOU for the replay. I like your videos.
Glad there is no slide and no camp kitchen!💯
Thx Sherry!
I think it would be great to have an outdoor slide out kitchen option. Take the interior kitchen space and increase the bathroom size and add storage and closet space. Almost everybody I know who goes camping cook's outside.
I like cooking on the fire when we can