I guarantee you that there is exactly zero possibility that I will ever need to do this. However, what a blast it was to watch it being done! This is one of your biggest nerd-outs yet, and I highly approve.
Fantastic. I had to do this to an old DW5000 pedal for a special gig several years ago. Spent the entire evening getting it to work just right. Biggest problem was getting the chain attached in reverse.
Good old Pearl Eliminator! I spent so much time hunting down and trying out every cam option on that pedal back in the mid 2000's, including the purple and yellow ones. I ended up preferring with the black one.
Thank you for another fun DIY tinkering video. I already have a DIY suitcase bass drum and the Pearl Jungle Conversion kit, but there's a single chain P930(?) collecting dust that I'm going to try this out!
Nice! I've been using a Pearl Eliminator in my coctail setup for a decade now. This video would've helped a lot back when I was figuring this out. I do have to say that 16 by 16 may be too shallow for comfort if one is tallish and plays upright as I do. Also, I use a heavier spring tension as my leg motion playing upright is different from sitting down. I now have the dedicated coctail set from Tama (Coctail Jam) that allows for height adjustments between the 16" kick and the 14" tom above. A compromise in tone but better for ergonomics.
Nice videos I was thinking of that already before. I have a 22x17 and 22x8 open BD. The 16“ flor-tom should stay in regular position. So I will need to be using a remote-, slave- or wire-pedal. I guess it will be a wire one because a lot of stuff is going on down there already. 2 double pedals L+R, and 2 Hihats L+R, remote 3rd HH planed. Monster-kit, I know. But if it makes me happy. 😁 Thank You so much for all the videos and information. 🙏👍👌🤟
Excellent walk through, Cody. Worded very well indeed. I’ve got two Pearl pedals… hopefully if I try this, one of them will be of a similar design, in the most important places. Oh yeah… I would never even consider blaming you if I damaged anything, trying anything you talk about experimenting with. I mean, hey… I can damage stuff on my own just as well and often, without your ideas! Ha ha!! Stay Cool, guys.
As a reverse pedal user I can honestly say: you did a great job! If I had seen this video 3-4 years ago it would have save me quite a lot of time and research!!! some additional observation/question: 1. as you said not many pedals are configurable like this (if tried 5-6, only finded one, bad luck I guess)... could you perhaps list the ones you tried successfully? 2. strips is good to avoid unwanted sound that occurs by using chains. in my experience unwanted sound (squiking, metal touching etc etc) are the real nightmeare of these kind of setup..did you notice any? 3. the system you used to stop the pedal from moving didn't work for me. It works if you don't play too hard and on a good carpet (over an unexpensive floor) but otherwiese it's gonna move, there are alternatives, but none are easy to install or really, really rock solid 4. another risk its the beater touching the base of the pedal while "reloading" the swing. that leads to a lot of adjustment in the spring hardness 5. you don't mention the exact model of the pedal! (or did I miss it?) you could put in the description of the video too!), and are you 1000% sure the single version of this pedal will work equally fine? anyway, again: thank you, awesome video!!
@@HessianHunter old dw 5000 and a Pulse pedal, ther's a video/tutorial somewhere (not mine) on how to do it. But I discarded them pretty quickly, and went for a "born" reversed pedal, a peace arrow and a gibraltar. But they also are quite far from being good pedals. The problem is that ther's no market for reverse pedal so they all kinda crappy, with design flaw and not suited for a true professional use imho...I'm not a millionaire so I didn't try all the pedal in the market, but to know that a pearl eliminator could work (hopefully) it's a hopeful option!
I'm loving the sit-down cocktail idea. Did you have much trouble with the drum lifting when you hit it harder from below? Purpose built stand-up cocktail kits usually have a custom bracket that attaches the kick pedal to the floor tom legs, not only for stability but to keep the drum from launching when you hit it hard. The one on mine is just a bent piece of flat bar with a clamp on each end.
If you hit that hard, you are probably better served with some form of hardware for horizontal mounting or a proper bass drum. I am not saying this to be flippant, I say it from experience.
I've been thinking about trying to make a live drum setup for industrial music where acoustic drums, cymbals and whatever I can clang on are run through distortion and effects, maybe via a Yamaha EAD-10. Thinking about a cocktail setup like this gets my gears turning on what's possible outside of a traditional drum kit if I'm going for an evil pots-and-pans vibe.
I'm not exactly going that route, but don't want a traditional drum set, i.e., putting a couple of the newish Tama Tymps as rack toms, some type of bass drum, and 14 concert floor tom and a gong type drum next to it... still in planning stages. I have a link you need to see. Will go find it and post it. Might incorporate some of the items into it. Trying to go all non-electronic.
I hate to say it, but electronic drums might work best for you. I kinda want to go a similar route, I want a small drum set that I can play with only my feet, so I can play guitar simultaneously. I was thinking about making a sort of "apprehension engine" type instrument aimed more toward percussion sounds.
You briefly mention your Yamaha pedal and how you were unable to remove the crossbar. Was it an issue with your particular Yamaha 7210 pedal or Yamaha 7210 pedals in general? Ever since your fantastic Yamaha pedal hot rodding video I have become fascinated with the idea of further modifying my 7210 pedal to a stupid degree, for fun and the possibility of crafting a unique pedal for myself. The most recent "great idea" being adding a Tama Camco pedal style sprocket to it, which would necessitate the removal of the crossbar. Before thinking about this more, taking the tools to my pedal and possibly damaging it, or even buying parts it'd be great to know if you think the removal of the crossbar is just not possible in general with these pedals. Thanks for this and all your videos!
The really cool thing is that you can incorporate this concept into any setup- it doesn’t have to replace a traditional bass drum. You could even use a double pedal as a remote pedal for an additional floor tom with this rig.
Were there any issues with the floor tom moving around? I would think striking it from underneath would cause it to jump but yours appears stable. Was wondering if you had to do anything with the drum to help that stability.
I tried this was an old Pearl pedal (like, early 90s export series level), and it was a no-go. Couldn't disconnect the chain from the footboard. But it totally worked with the pedal that comes with an Alesis Nitro Mesh edrum kit. Any recommendations on round beaters?
I guarantee you that there is exactly zero possibility that I will ever need to do this. However, what a blast it was to watch it being done! This is one of your biggest nerd-outs yet, and I highly approve.
Thank you so much!! Needed to do this for a (very) random gig, worked great!
Glad to hear it!
You guys are the best🙌
That was useful, thanks.
Fantastic. I had to do this to an old DW5000 pedal for a special gig several years ago. Spent the entire evening getting it to work just right. Biggest problem was getting the chain attached in reverse.
Good old Pearl Eliminator! I spent so much time hunting down and trying out every cam option on that pedal back in the mid 2000's, including the purple and yellow ones. I ended up preferring with the black one.
Excellent - thanks for doing this!
I definitely need to try this
Thank you for another fun DIY tinkering video. I already have a DIY suitcase bass drum and the Pearl Jungle Conversion kit, but there's a single chain P930(?) collecting dust that I'm going to try this out!
Thank you so much for this! You save me 😄
Nice! I've been using a Pearl Eliminator in my coctail setup for a decade now. This video would've helped a lot back when I was figuring this out. I do have to say that 16 by 16 may be too shallow for comfort if one is tallish and plays upright as I do. Also, I use a heavier spring tension as my leg motion playing upright is different from sitting down. I now have the dedicated coctail set from Tama (Coctail Jam) that allows for height adjustments between the 16" kick and the 14" tom above. A compromise in tone but better for ergonomics.
Nice videos
I was thinking of that already before. I have a 22x17 and 22x8 open BD.
The 16“ flor-tom should stay in regular position. So I will need to be using a remote-, slave- or wire-pedal.
I guess it will be a wire one because a lot of stuff is going on down there already.
2 double pedals L+R, and 2 Hihats L+R, remote 3rd HH planed.
Monster-kit, I know. But if it makes me happy. 😁
Thank You so much for all the videos and information. 🙏👍👌🤟
I've been wanting to do this kind of thing for yrs.This is my next project plus it will create more space 🌌 n my very small studio.♥️🤖⚡
Am to convert 2 pedals into cocktail, saw Neil Smith had his 2 bass drums horizontal. Am to do that on dbl bass kit number 2.
Excellent walk through, Cody. Worded very well indeed. I’ve got two Pearl pedals… hopefully if I try this, one of them will be of a similar design, in the most important places.
Oh yeah… I would never even consider blaming you if I damaged anything, trying anything you talk about experimenting with.
I mean, hey… I can damage stuff on my own just as well and often, without your ideas! Ha ha!!
Stay Cool, guys.
As a reverse pedal user I can honestly say: you did a great job! If I had seen this video 3-4 years ago it would have save me quite a lot of time and research!!! some additional observation/question: 1. as you said not many pedals are configurable like this (if tried 5-6, only finded one, bad luck I guess)... could you perhaps list the ones you tried successfully? 2. strips is good to avoid unwanted sound that occurs by using chains. in my experience unwanted sound (squiking, metal touching etc etc) are the real nightmeare of these kind of setup..did you notice any? 3. the system you used to stop the pedal from moving didn't work for me. It works if you don't play too hard and on a good carpet (over an unexpensive floor) but otherwiese it's gonna move, there are alternatives, but none are easy to install or really, really rock solid 4. another risk its the beater touching the base of the pedal while "reloading" the swing. that leads to a lot of adjustment in the spring hardness 5. you don't mention the exact model of the pedal! (or did I miss it?) you could put in the description of the video too!), and are you 1000% sure the single version of this pedal will work equally fine?
anyway, again: thank you, awesome video!!
What pedal did you successfully reverse?
@@HessianHunter old dw 5000 and a Pulse pedal, ther's a video/tutorial somewhere (not mine) on how to do it. But I discarded them pretty quickly, and went for a "born" reversed pedal, a peace arrow and a gibraltar. But they also are quite far from being good pedals. The problem is that ther's no market for reverse pedal so they all kinda crappy, with design flaw and not suited for a true professional use imho...I'm not a millionaire so I didn't try all the pedal in the market, but to know that a pearl eliminator could work (hopefully) it's a hopeful option!
Awesome video. Y'all are so funny
I'm loving the sit-down cocktail idea. Did you have much trouble with the drum lifting when you hit it harder from below? Purpose built stand-up cocktail kits usually have a custom bracket that attaches the kick pedal to the floor tom legs, not only for stability but to keep the drum from launching when you hit it hard. The one on mine is just a bent piece of flat bar with a clamp on each end.
If you hit that hard, you are probably better served with some form of hardware for horizontal mounting or a proper bass drum. I am not saying this to be flippant, I say it from experience.
I've been thinking about trying to make a live drum setup for industrial music where acoustic drums, cymbals and whatever I can clang on are run through distortion and effects, maybe via a Yamaha EAD-10. Thinking about a cocktail setup like this gets my gears turning on what's possible outside of a traditional drum kit if I'm going for an evil pots-and-pans vibe.
I'm not exactly going that route, but don't want a traditional drum set, i.e., putting a couple of the newish Tama Tymps as rack toms, some type of bass drum, and 14 concert floor tom and a gong type drum next to it... still in planning stages. I have a link you need to see. Will go find it and post it. Might incorporate some of the items into it. Trying to go all non-electronic.
I hate to say it, but electronic drums might work best for you. I kinda want to go a similar route, I want a small drum set that I can play with only my feet, so I can play guitar simultaneously. I was thinking about making a sort of "apprehension engine" type instrument aimed more toward percussion sounds.
Do you think it'd be possible to do this with a double kick pedal so that you could switch foot on a stand up cocktail kit? 🤩
Great video! Thank you!
You briefly mention your Yamaha pedal and how you were unable to remove the crossbar. Was it an issue with your particular Yamaha 7210 pedal or Yamaha 7210 pedals in general? Ever since your fantastic Yamaha pedal hot rodding video I have become fascinated with the idea of further modifying my 7210 pedal to a stupid degree, for fun and the possibility of crafting a unique pedal for myself. The most recent "great idea" being adding a Tama Camco pedal style sprocket to it, which would necessitate the removal of the crossbar. Before thinking about this more, taking the tools to my pedal and possibly damaging it, or even buying parts it'd be great to know if you think the removal of the crossbar is just not possible in general with these pedals.
Thanks for this and all your videos!
I wonder if a cocktail drum kit would be a good fit for hard rock and prog rock. Cocktail drum kits are very cool and unusual.
The really cool thing is that you can incorporate this concept into any setup- it doesn’t have to replace a traditional bass drum. You could even use a double pedal as a remote pedal for an additional floor tom with this rig.
Great video, Cody. What beater is that?
It's not working with my Trick pedal.
Were there any issues with the floor tom moving around? I would think striking it from underneath would cause it to jump but yours appears stable. Was wondering if you had to do anything with the drum to help that stability.
Vodka? Of course. Shaken, not stirred. Extra olives.
I tried this was an old Pearl pedal (like, early 90s export series level), and it was a no-go. Couldn't disconnect the chain from the footboard. But it totally worked with the pedal that comes with an Alesis Nitro Mesh edrum kit. Any recommendations on round beaters?
Another great vid, guys. How did the pedal feel this way? Could you still play fast doubles, for example, as easily as normal?
It was actually really comfortable! We were super surprised at the feel after a little beater angle and spring tension experimentation! -Cody
Yo Cody I live in Brooklyn and have a bunch of pearl eliminator cams, etc that I no longer use - do you want them?
This mod does not work with a Pearl P-930. I ended up breaking my hex key because the screws were so tight.
Ah, sorry to hear that. This is precisely what we were referring to when we mentioned not forcing anything that feels super tight.