Uh Oh, Some Bad News From Mars But Also a Major Discovery In Its Orbit
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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about new and somewhat disappointing news from Mars but also some cool scientific discoveries
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0:00 Mars updates and bad news from NASA
2:15 Major funding costs
3:50 Titan is still a go!
4:45 Helicopter had a goodbye party
6:30 Moons of Mars may be a comet
9:00 Japan will resolve this soon
9:30 Trojan around mars - this is #17
11:55 Water was on Mars for a long time
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I think we may have solved the Fermi Paradox. The Aliens never got sufficient research funding to develop and build technology for interstellar travel.
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So in every planet there is an american banning abortion, praising owning guns and funding forever wars. This is why we cant have nice things
Fermi Paradox is ludicrous. Life only comes from life. So it likely doesn't exist anywhere else in the Milky Way. We haven't seen any evidence because it's non existent until we send it there.
Darn politicians. Not even aliens can get away from those idiots
@@roberthopkins2494 Well ..If they are intelligent enougt to avoid nationalism and religions and use their resources accordingly with common goals, there might not be even an urge to put anythint in the orbit. It is friging expensive, and without a clash of ideologies or war for resouces why to even do that in the first place. Takes loooogn time if ever to individual wealth in fair society get so high that simply go for it just becouse ypu can, and for curiosity.
I'm actually quite pissed off. Because politicians will pay for football stadiums, private jets, their wages during shutdowns, and tax cuts that have loopholes for megacorps... and yet we cut science and research. Something big and drastic needs to change.
it's really an issue on both ends of the political spectrum, sadly
i hope to see more funding soon
Tax the corporations
Don't forget they also get tax breaks for those private jets and for their yachts
We hella need a 3rd party
don't forget the hundreds of billions they can find for war every year. 11 billion was TOO MUCH for this?? the House just approved 90 billion foreign aid package... why can't they find another 10 for something as historically important as the first samples returned from Mars... smh
Over eight trillion dollars has been spent on lost or unwinnable wars in recent two decades. Imagine all the science that could have been done with that sort of budget.
Imagine a world without dictators
Yeah and imagine how many little scientists and future geniuses have been killed as innocent civilians in those wars/conflicts. A waste of human life, and a total waste of money. But we all know war is big business for a few so will continue regardless of cost in money and in human lives.
@@global.citizens You just need to police the war mongers (CIA); right now, they're running the world amuck.
@@global.citizens Meanwhile, China issues whiffy statements about "adjusting the West in its notions of individual freedom and liberty"
8trillion that's alot of jobs .
$100b would be spent on the actual war itself ...
define your $8trillion Einstein..
Imagine if space exploration was as profitable as war.
There's nothing profitable in space exploration.
Imagine if we didn't need a profit incentive do do nice things that benefit other people 😔
@@CrabRangoonSortaGuy meaning volunteer labor..
@@RideAcrossTheRiver collecting metals like gold and platinum from asteroids could be pretty profitable I think
@@user-no4fq3dt7d Except, no: the Asteroid Belt is basically silicate and carbonaceous rock with some hydrated minerals. All the dense stuff is on Earth. What good is a resource 3 AU away that you have to spend billions to find it, mine it, transport it back, and get it down through 5,000 miles of atmosphere?
All I read was "bad news from mars" and all I could think of was martians having a news channel
I thought Matt Damon died.
Plenty of money for the illegal" visitors, , heading back to the dark ages?
Or a protest in front of one of the rovers. "Mars for the Martians!", "Go home, humans!", etc...
Perseverance sights tripods
@@MCsCreations Martians version of racism would be calling us "smooth skins"
The first (and only) mission to Uranus and Neptune was launched on August 20, 1977.
It's a shame that almost 47 years later, we are still waiting for the next mission to the Uranus and Neptune systems.
Seriously. We've sent so many missions to Jupiter and Saturn already, with another Jovian moon mission en route right now, and even _New Horizons_ - which, incredibly, is the only probe to _ever_ have a primary mission dedicated to a body beyond Saturn - spent a good amount of time studying Jupiter during its gravity assist.
I fervently believe Neptune needs to be NASA's next major target after the Titan _Dragonfly._ I know a lot of people are nuts for Uranus and its bunch of icy moons, but the thing is we've got so much data from the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn already, with another dedicated mission en route to Jupiter right now. A Neptune orbiter would give us a two-for-one because of Triton: it's unlikely we'll ever see another mission to a Kuiper Belt dwarf planet along _New Horizons_ lines, and Triton gives us a unique second chance to study a KBO up close and do valuable comparative studies between it and Pluto, which _New Horizons_ successfully showed is way more geologically interesting than had been believed.
this x1,000,000
They are all but impossible to reach on reasonable time scales
@@personzorz Many astronomical projects are multi-generational. Not a good enough excuse
Congress opted for a much closer anus to visit...
If I worked for NASA and my job or my coworkers jobs got cut from this I would genuinely be rioting. We will never progress as a species ironically because our own leaders are too greedy to share with the people who actually want to make a difference. You just DON'T cut research. It's like a universal law. We absolutely need to be funding research as much as we can right now because we are stuck on this rock with no way out. I'm dead serious everyone that understands the importance of research needs to come together and make these politicians life hell until they change their mind. Funny how the people who make these decisions aren't even elected, they're just chosen by their predecessors so that they can maintain the status quo
Very ironic and borderline idiotic when you realise majority of congress and blood sucking politicians are making money through schemes like insider trading but wont hesistate to cut funds elsewhere to line their own greedy little pockets. Prolly the most detrimental and parasitic thing our planet has produced is politicians
And you know damn well the money they cut from funding would not even go into things like providing health care or a safer environment for their citizens
The Chinese government has offered to hire any NASA workers laid off so they can work at CNSA. Russia also has jobs available at Roscosmos.
There’s still china 🎉
The reason NASA would never hire you is because of your inability to control your impulse to riot.
I strongly suspected that the sample return mission would be problematic -- we should send rovers that do all analysis in situ.
I lost my job due to the funding cut, I was contracted to design the spin test bench fixtures for the second stage of MAVIS... tbh the project was overly complex, requiring multiple agencies/contractors, concurrent/sequential missions, and the budget ballooned.
Sorry to hear you lost your job. Was this standard mission creep or were there unexpected technical challenges?
grabbing hands grab all they can -everything counts in large amounts...
@@Maevelikeschampagne That's not always the answer. If you worked in technology you would understand that you need expertise in every area. And for interplanetary missions that can have nearly zero errors, a project needs experts in several areas and must test all aspects of the mission, develop custom parts and software.
It takes a lot of time to ensure no requirements have been missed, reviews must be held at all stages, etc. It's not easy, cheap or fast.
I'm not saying that there isn't greed involved, but *usually* that's the least of the problems. And in most cases, the greed is coming from private companies that the government has outsourced their work to.
@@Maevelikeschampagne All for themselves, after all...
damn, major condolences to you.
You know what didn't get cut this year? The salaries of people in Congress. Gotta fund both sides of those pesky wars too.
Nor did the salaries of corporate executives. Perky wars are good for the economy and promotes scientific research and development.
Really want to be depressed look up how much of the budget is just interest on the national debt... This how the banks get you twice funding both sides.
tesla's cutting 10% of its work force and is trying to give elon that 56 billion dollar package again
And the war funding. Gotta keep producing weapons, it seems...
@@zeusprophet7305 60 billion for Ukraine by the very excited democrats.
"First time we launched a rocket from another planet"
The RM of the LEM: "am I a joke to you?"
I suppose the operative word is planet.
Really appreciate you, Anton!
You're one of the best sources of science news because of your honesty and humility -- not going for the clickbait and catchy titles, just delivering the straight facts and news. 👍
Bad news from Mars. Turns out Earth has life on it and they've figured out how to get here. Everyone hide.
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hahahaha
Ha ha, that was a good one
Watch out for giant laser beams from the ufos
😂😂😂😂
Color photos of Mars blow my mind every time. It doesn't look so different from a desert on Earth.
We're working on it!
Earth is space too...
Other than metamorphic rock?
That's the basis for a good conspiracy theory, right there.
@@modulosonoro Earth and Mars are made of the same stuff. Why should they look different?
That pre-Solar asteroid in Australia has me psyched for more super-ancient rocks we can actually touch, so those L-4 Trojans are right up there with Calysto and Miranda on my "if I had a fleet of deep space probes" wishlist.
Anton. You are terrific. I watch and understand much of your lectures. Picky point. 'WE' are not 'discussing' anything. YOU are a very good teacher, presenter and lecturer. Say it that way.
I hope the Titancopter avoids all those attacks it's going to face. :)
The fact that we used to spend $300B per year on NASA inspiring the whole world and today less than $25B despite tremendous economic growth is unsettling. The US must remember its place as leader in scientific endeavor and allow for the budget to maintain this leadership. We're not even funding Chandra X-Ray observatory despite the whole world's astronomors relying on it since it's the only one and works perfectly well
They do it thinking that the private businesses will be willing to help with investment but not every one is like Elon
@@simongreenwood445
Muskyboy is overrated and a m0r0n.
he’s an inheritance baby who got lucky with paypal and BOUGHT innovative companies like Tesla and SpaceX.
I couldn't agree more!
You do understand that the space race of the 60's was part of the cold war? If it wasn't for that we wouldn't have gone to the moon. Landing humans on the moon and successfully bringing them home wasn't about inspiration but about proving to the Soviets that we could launch a nuke into space and have it re-enter the atmosphere and land in the middle of Red Square.
Not all of the US scientific endeavors funnels through NASA funding. ITER fusion reactor (6.5 billion) is one of many examples.
You would think this would be easy and less expensive. Send a Robot to Mars to collect the samples. Then using a return Space vehicle like you did on the Moon, come back with those samples.
I admit my explanation on how to do it is simple and simplistic not knowing all the variables involved
Thank you Anton for continuing to keep us informed in a good rational manner. We'll done!
Screw Congress- I'll just go collect the rocks myself.
On which rocket? The deepstate doesn't want a rocket to launch if an independent builds it. Look what they're doing to Elon. They'll do it to you.
Agreed!
I'm already on my way
Hundreds of billions for WAR, nothing for science. Politicians. The parasites of civilization. We are way overdue in our regular necessary deworming.
If it's a good idea, private industry will finance it. Bad ideas are funded by taxpayers at gunpoint.
I love that the scientists are naming areas on Mars after LOTR places. One day when people go there, they'll say, "hey, did you see Nelrond over in Valinor Hills?"
I think using mayan mythology will be more appropriate.
@@castillonelsonIt's not a question of which is MORE appropriate young man. There is plenty of room for many types of names.
@@jasongarcia2140 Names of figures in the Bible seem to be dis-allowed.
@@FLPhotoCatcherthat's great to hear 🎉
@@FLPhotoCatcher That’s because the people who are approving the funding for the research for NASA have ancestors who hated Jesus. Not much has changed in two-thousand years. They still spit on Christian missionaries in Tel Aviv.
Great video, Anton...👍
Thank you. This was a very exciting show.
I have to agree with one of the comments. How sad we spend less on exploration and more on war.
even for no reason it isn't even a real war we tanks and soldiers can't do shit if someone will start losing the war they can just press a button if they want and "win"
🙏🏾🙏🏾
As paradoxical and ironical it might seam. War furthers the development of peacfull tecnologies, that aids in the progress of exploration.
To those who dont know. The rockets we use to visit space and to send stuff to other planets, where originaly developed by the germans during ww2 to bomb the brits.
The nuclear bombs gave birth to nuclear reactors, to light our cities, and to give energy to some space crafts/satelites.
There is probably a werry high amount of things we use in exploration, and even in general today we take for granted, that have it's origins in the military. So as horrible war is, we also got plenty to thank it for. As much as i want to see all conflicts come to a end, and for all weapons to be destroyed, i can clearly see the good it all also have brought us.
We can only pray for a day in the future, where we no longer need weapons to set our differenses aside. I truly believe we could acomplishe so mutch when it comes to space exploration, if we would be truly willing to work togeather and be transparant and open. But that's not in humanitys nature. We allways have had an them ageinst us mentality, and the few times we tried out to not have it, it's never lasted long.
Lobbyists gonna lobby 🤷♂️
@@kecksbelit3300 ...if 'they' actually have a button that works...and when 'they' are going cap in hand and begging to borrow weapons from tin pot dung hole countries it makes you wonder. I would not be at all surprised if 'they' had even a fraction of what they would like people to believe...and how much of it is actually functional is probably even less than that after several decades of Oligarchic corruption. And half of the garbage 'they' make couldn't hit a barn door at ten paces.
"No Bucks. No Buck Rogers."
"No Marks. No Marks Zuckerbarks!"
@@Noqtis good point. You have an eraser for those marks?
NASA: $11BB
Elon 'Electric Jesus': Hold my beer...
@@scott-hr3hd does a metaraser work?
@nadahere SpaceX doing a science mission would be quite new
Thank you for all your hard work for our educational benefit. Please accept our thanks!!
I love everything about your work here ❤
Phobos, and Deimos,......"boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew."
Yesss. We need asteroid colonies. These can lead to a Deimos colony, which - given good supply-lines - can just drop / collect samples by tether.
Whats taters, precious?
Need to get the democrats out of NASA
@@everettwalker9141 Speaking as a fellow anticommunist who knows today's Democrats for what they are: It's not NASA's fault so much as Congress', and there are plenty of Republican pigs in this Congress, crowding around for Democrat scraps.
Your ire is better placed against other agencies, like the FAA, for trammelling the iterative testing of Musk's Starship.
@@everettwalker9141why
If we won't return 3 kg of samples till the 2040s, how do some people think we'll return 500 kgs of humans by the 2030s?😂
Because Elon isn’t a government agency.
Starship
Oh.. we're not returning the humans, they are staying on Mars.
Because they drank Elon's kool-aid.
@@grumpyoldman6767 Before a manned Mars mission is launched, someone will need to build and test a 6+ person lunar base, with multi-year crew habitation, >10MW power generation, and capable of producing at least 250 kg/day of Hydrogen from lunar ice.
The only ones planning something on that level are NASA/ESA and China, and they don't plan to finish that until the late 2030s.
CZcams randomly unsubscribed from you… very odd. Well I fixed it so I should be getting notifications again! Thanks for the info in the video, great work!
A public request for ideas. One might be with unacceptable hurdles but Cherry picking the best bits from thousands could get the mission executed sooner, for less and be reusable. You just never know. A lot of thinking, in creative application, can cure this problem. Interesting content. Thank you👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🇦🇺
$11 billion is hardly even a rounding error to the U.S. Government.
True. But it’s not a rounding error for NASA.
NASA _really_ doesn't like rounding errors...
They need more of that money to bailout useless financiers when they knowingly take totally unsustainable positions based on the foreknowledge they will be bailed out.
Countries should be working on this together. Split the costs, plus it’s good relations for countries working together instead of murdering each other. We can accomplish SO much more.
_insert “Like that’s ever gonna happen” from Sherk here_
We can't, majority of humankind is not smart, they're an aggressive and greedy creatures without the ability to care about the long term benefits + lacking the empathy + too egoistical, smart people have failed the evolution race
that would be nice.
@@oberonpanopticon Somebody once told me
I prefer the latter. We are too many humans. I want a planet earth with only AI.
It would be pretty wild, but maybe due to the thin atmosphere, you could do a sort of in atmosphere pick up of a payload using like a hook on a bungee cable. I mean like at high speed, skim the surface to like to the top of a hill and then add thrust and pull out into an Earth return track. That is to say pick up something with a rocket is partial orbit. In a way you could do it like the Apollo returns with a smaller lift of rocket on a rendezvous track.
I am really enjoying your videos.. Thank you .
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 😊👍
Ya know if you take that mars rock and make it into a bunch of expensive rings when you're done with it,you could cut the price down a little.
Greatest update, exciting 🤗👍
"by at least a little bit" will be my new favourite vague phrase....
Thank you wonderful person Anton for all the latest off world news
Hey Anton! Looking forward to seeing more of these videos. Thank you wonderful person!
And I think many of my colleagues had the same problem with courses named Introduction to... Many of us never knew how to answer simple questions. And it wasn't because we didn't actually knew the answer, but because we were under the impression that it had to be a really complicated answer. Just think of aerodynamics and the Navier-Stokes equations. Those equations are massive. And they can't be solved analytically as far as I know. And probably will never get solved. Or who knows? Maybe they will be solved in 100 years. But after seeing the Navier-Stokes equations and hearing about the difficulty of solving them and being shown why they are difficult to solve, you end up thinking that that difficulty is just one of the many difficulties. And that the professor knows all the other difficulties involved but he's not telling you about it because it's just an introduction. And then he asks something rather simple, like how do you multiply two matrices and people go like... hmmmmm... this guy knows a lot more than me, so he must be asking about a magical way of multiplying them that I have never heard of. Better shut up so I don't get embarrassed. And a professor probably does know more than the students, but he's usually not asking about God knows what obscure way of multiplying them that no one has ever heard of except for him. He's probably asking about the simple method involving the multiplication of lines and columns. And maybe Gauss-Sidel. Something like that. Not some 34 order of precision Runge-Kutta applyed to the numerical solving of systems and whether that method can be made to be stable if you just add a small correction.
You know who could help us meet the deadline and the budget for Mars? ISRO! India’s moon rover mission was fast, affordable, and awesome 😊
Outstanding work Anton! Thank you. 💯
I can't imagine Ingenuity's batteries lasting 20 years. It's solar panels will get covered in Martian dust, and the batteries will freeze. Like most of what NASA builds it's lasted far longer than expected. We're well into bonus time. Thanks to Ingenuity, most future missions will have a flying scout. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sample Return Mission doesn't use similar technology. I hope Ingenuity retires to a Martian museum someday.
I thought Ingenuity suffered damage to it's rotorblades that means it's not flying anymore?
@@RipOffProductionsLLC It did, but it's camera still works. Did you watch the video?
Great video thanks for sharing 🍻👍
And social media also promotes a very dreamy state of mind. One that it's not quite suited for science. With social media you never know what you actually know. It's always about how things will be, so great, whatever, and all you have are a bunch of equations that don't look so great. I remember being in college and having courses named introduction to. Never actually understood when I am going to learn about the topic, if the course is only an introduction. So I never actually paid much attention to the courses, thinking that I will never need them, only to find out later that the introduction was the whole thing, everything coming afterwards being just some repetition with minor variations. Don't know if I should blame this one on social media also, probably not, but being in college and having the feeling that you never know anything because everything is just an introduction and then you have to study the real stuff by yourself doesn't really help the morale. I for one got really discouraged thinking that everything was just an introduction and afterwards things will get 10000000 times harder. They were already pretty hard.
The fact that $11b is so far out of the budget makes me so incredible sad. Especially when there's people constantly complaining about how NASA is a waste of money anyway. They don't even realize how little we spend on it, it just sounds like a lot to the layman. Hopefully, in the age of these personal billionaires it kind of sheds some light on how little we spend on this stuff comparatively.
Who isn't with you in this yes extremely sad take care?
"professorator"
I'm guessing you're not a fan of "billionaires" and believe they should "pay their fair share", even if they're actually delivering cheaper rockets than the official channels do.
As one who is not in the private sector himself, so is paid by those who get to decide who pays and who gets paid.
@@zimriel Yeah and how many people were exploited in the process of making those cheaper rockets? They don't pay their fair share, finding ways to increase the bottom dollar while decreasing quality, overworking and underpaying or downright abusing workers.
@@zimriel what does a handful of private contractors building rockets for cheaper have to do with the tax rate for literally hundreds of billionaires who aren't doing that? meanwhile they almost certainly are paying a lower effective tax rate than you on money they will never even spend due to the sheer quantity of it
But it is a waste of money. All expenditure of money that does not generate more money than was put in, is definitionally a waste. Regardless if you "like" the thing the money was spent on. Economic fact is what dictates government fund allocation. I am sick to death of people ignoring this. War generates profit, get over it. Space science does not. Get over it.
I think NASA should receive more funding. But i refuse to pretend it isn't a waste by the definition of the word waste.
Speculative investment on a future prospect is just a very verbose way of saying "waste" in economic speak. NASA at best, is speculative investment on a future prospect.
Relying on the US Govt for anything is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
That is a very simplistic answer.
Part of the problem is that we are not collecting the taxes that we did in the past from corporations and wealthy citizens.
Also, nearly 50% of this country doesn't believe that we went to the moon and their representatives have to vote in line with their beliefs to keep their jobs.
You mentioning the US govt implies any other government is any less trash.
Not always but often. Wont be better if they reelect the orange Wannabe-King.
@@friedrichjunzt doesn't make any difference
Well, if we'd relied on private industry to get to the moon, we'd still be waiting. For that matter, without government funding we would probably never have put up any communications or observational satellites. Civilian ones, anyway.
Great content, thanks Anton. I wish the quality of the audio was better. Often difficult to understand.
When they said they weren't testing samples because they would be collected later, I immediately thought, those are going to sit on Mars for a very long time.
Forever... man will reach Mars before samples return, maybe because they knew the 2 Viking LR were right and that would completely block human missions.
Thank U Anton
I think we all knew the sample return mission would never happen
If it did, we would hear only partial findings for 15yrs, then find out that every test indicated the presence of microorganisms, _after_ commercial mining was already underway.
@@davidlang4442 like who that fraud musk😂
@@prophetzarquon1922 Commercial mining on Mars for WHAT? Its density shows it's mostly rusty iron and silicates.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Yeah, frankly, unless the plan is to expose its "solidified" nickel iron core, I don't see what's worth going down there for, from an industrial perspective. There's easier access to most useful elements, in low-G. (Plus, the core isn't _known_ to be solidified, just speculated, & even if it is, getting at it would be an engineering feat that kinda begs the question "why here?")
3:20
Maybe we need a mars race
thank you Anton
Another great vid Anton thank you. And thanks for the subtle confirmation of extraterrestrial life in your clip at 11:22 😂
"Three times NASA's budget to annoy the Russians? Make it so."
I have just read Worlds in Collision by Emmanuel Velikovsky. The book mostly focuses on the Comet and Planet Venus but there is a large section on Mars and explanations of why Mars is the God of War and how it may have lost its atmosphere, and very recently too.
Spending so much, each and every time we want to send samples back seems not as smart as sending something to Mars, that can deal with whatever is found on site.
A man mission ??!! when it's said that retrieving a little sample from mars would cost too much, so how much would it cost to send people there and get them back? so with that logic it will never happen.
The plan is to leave the people there.
This is not a joke.
They were never intending to return the people. They are going there until they die.
@@prophetzarquon1922 Yes i've seen that, we say "seing Venice and die" well that will be "seing Mars and Die" very romantic!
MSR has always been a stillborn project, and it's kind of surprising not everyone realized that. And if it had been cheaper, it'd still have been "too expensive".
Very often, what appears like "not realizing" can actually be "hoping nonetheless".
Nice job
My favorite video title of the week: "Bad News From Mars"
We have a party that sees $2 trillion spent on a war as a bargain, and $2 billion on improving our nation, as a waste.
While I abhor fanaticism, I appreciate partisanship and can see value in nationalism. But I would argue that the 'space program', and most especially space science, should be agnostic and entirely outside, absolutely as much as possible, partisanship and nationalism. How many times do we have to see embryonic or infant space programs based on nationalism or partisanship crippled or blighted when the winds of fortune and popular attention change? If there are lessons to be learned from twentieth century experience they are that space science is global, that, literally, 'we are all in this together' and that 'we are in this for the long haul'. What we are creating here is just seeds, which can bear fruit for generations. Who knows what 'weather' in the long-term they might see? I would suggest considering whether they might be too valuable to be 'hitched' to any wagon, however worthy or beloved....
You have a party that sees stopping Russia in Ukraine as having more sense than stopping it then it will attack some NATO country after defeating Ukraine.
$2 trillion for _what_ war? If you mean aid to Ukraine, that's been about $75 billion. The US military budget in 2022 was $812 billion, for perspective.
Did you ever pass maths?
@@nomdeguerre7265Politicians are too busy using our tax money to buy votes.
There should be a prize for the first “privateer “ to retrieve the samples. !
Before the US landed on the moon, the Soviet Union sent several probes to explode across the lunar surface, scattering a ball of little platinum Hammer & Sickle pins over an area hundreds of meters across.
If someone managed to _collect those little platinum medallions & return them to Earth,_ not only would their removal be a bit of snarky one-upmanship over Russia, but the pins themselves would likely be _very_ valuable as rare-earth space-race collectibles that'd been to the moon...
They already do kind of do that. Contracts for the moon have been publicly open to private companies for a while, and many of them have not made any progress or went under.
2 steps forward, 3 steps back. Science and space news this last year was very uplifting. Obviously somebody had to take this progress down a peg.
We need an orbital gateway and laboratory over Mars. A place where generations can live and prosper; interact with the martian landscape on a personal level while reducing any risks and increasing chances of successful operations. The amount of failed missions to Mars is pretty staggering for the last 50yrs. If the dream of settlement on Mars is still unobtainable, then we'll use this orbital gateway and laboratory to travel further away.
I wonder if Anton might do an epsisode to explain some of the orbital paths around the Earth, how much energy to each and such.
Today I pondered how does a Sun-syncronous orbit of the Earth work, as I heard someone mention.
Man how cool would that be being the astronaut that picks up Ingenuity and bring it home.
Well... wasn't calling the sample return mission "planned" a bit excessive? Technically doable just means someone fantasized about doing it and not finding any showstoppers during that dream phase. Shutting down Chandra is way, way worse. Perhaps NASA could do some more cooperation with EASA and JAXA.
In order to work in tight budgets, NASA should collab with other friendly agencies & outsource some work load.
They already outsourced the orbiter and robotic arm to ESA
Personally I'd love it if the military spending and NASA spending budgets were swapped.
We'd be invaded in short order, but I guess we could escape to space.
@TrailRunnerLife Our country can defend itself with a fraction of our budget. The USA is practically a logistical impossibility for China or Russia ,our only realistic enemies.
How's your Chinese and Russian +?
@@TrailRunnerLife The invasion's already happening buddy. All that money spent to keep our troops away from home where it actually matters and spending extravagantly to make it seem like it's making any difference. Send the troops home. Cheaper and far easier to defend our country that way.
Invaded _how?_ This much landmass ain't gonna occupy itself... Both China & the US are a nightmare to try to invade.
Thank you Anton!!!❤
To give an macroecon perspective on the spending:
This decade the US is facing a perfect storm of increasing government debt service share, increasing interest rates (the near-0% interest rates of the 2010s were an aberration we likely won't see until 2040 minimum), and the need for a military buildup to deter China vis-a-view Taiwan. Because rates are staying high the federal budget is squeezed while needs stay the same or increase.
Add to that an aging population (less young people = less tax revenue) and a rather stubborn population when it comes to skilled immigration, and the 2020s will likely see spending cuts *and* tax increases on labor & capital gains. A lot of 2000s & 2010s chickens are coming home to roost.
One ray of hope is that sample retrieval will likely not cost so much even by 2030, much less 2040. With the build out of space we'll hopefully see the cost for this mission follow an exponential curve downwards as scale of space transport & infra increases
Paleo hyper saline lakes?? Search for microblites🙂 Love all your videos❤
If we can't bring the samples back to the lab, perhaps we should send the lab to the samples.. It would be an automated robotic lab.
So the same as they've been doing for decades.
Even harder
I think we have lost the planet Mars. I bought multiple telescopes to be able to see and take a picture from Mars, I could not find it. Then I offered $1000 for anyone who can take that picture for me, nobody was able to take my $1k, so it has left us.
@@ShonMardani😂
@@shanent5793 Yes,
Would love to see NASA put a rover on Phobos and Deimos!
I’ve been a follower for a minute and I’m having a problem. I’ve been listening to the firmament and flat earth podcasts that are popular. They make some very very valid points. Are we on a flat earth? Is there a gigantic firmament above us holding the waters from coming through? I’ve heard some very interesting things like “ if we’re moving so fast through space, why do the constellations stay EXACTLY the same?
I wish knowledgeable scientists would bust this down and talk to a flat earth scientist. So many questions. Is space even real?
I would pay 11 billion dollars in a nanosecond over how the money is being spent right now
Do you want my PayPal? I’ll do it for 10 billion.
As long as godam Americans keep romanticizing the military culture we will never make any real investment/progress
The cancellation of the sample/return mission doesn't surprise me. It always felt a bit too open-ended for my liking, the whole return of the samples was never really fleshed out in any great detail. Better cancel it than waste any more money developing something that won't ever materialise.
1:35 I honestly want a fully itemized cost breakdown of that, it sounds like someone is buying 90,000$ bags of bushings again.
If you can't bring the rocks to the lab you have to bring the lab to the rocks. CSI Drone GO!
Looking forward to the JAXA missions.
Weeb
It would have been great to have had the Mars Sample Return Mission but not at the expense of other less expensive but exciting missions, Dragonfly being 4:17 a classic example of that. I am looking forward to Dragonfly more because although we know now much more about Titan following the Cassini and Huygens missions, there is still so much to learn and discover, and Titan certainly has to be one of the most interesting places in the Solar System. Although of course temperatures there are extremely cold, at minus 180C, Titan is the only other world in the solar system that has a nitrogen rich atmosphere and a surface pressure similar to Earth’s.
On the other hand, we know a tremendous amount about Mars now and from what we know now, finding life there today or in the past is extremely unlikely. It is possible life may have existed at one time and maybe even today, but it would be well below the surface, beyond the reach of present day technology to get to it. On the surface, where the Mars Sample Return mission would fetch its rocks from, no chance. For a start, the surface has been exposed to solar radiation for at least 2 or 3 billion years, and therefore I am almost certain, as certain as one can get, that the surface is sterile.
In a very recent video, Anton says the methane on Mars which generated a lot of excitement because it could have been produced by Martian organisms, now appears to originate from non biological sources.
So, if and when the MSR mission happens, there will be a lot of disappointment if, as I confidently predict very strongly indeed, the Mars samples show no sign or evidence of life whatsoever, though of course it would be great to be wrong.
$10 Billion is 40% of NASA’s budget. I agree with you. As much as we’d love to get those samples back, it’s not the highest priority or the most science bang for the buck.
I see a lot of complaints about defense spending vs science spending from people who don’t even know the name of their congressperson, let alone have ever written a letter to them.
@@MarcosElMalo2…
Those who believe the defense budget can just be “dumped into science instead,” or even drastically reduced… probably also don’t know very much about how the world actually works either.
Just for the record (and in case you’re inclined to ask)…
No… I don’t know who my reps and senators are. I haven’t engaged in politics since before I moved to where I now live… and view the whole lot of them as a bunch of ridiculous fools who are bought and paid for by a small number of corporations and other so called “elites”, etc… and they sure don’t represent ME.
L4 and L5 points for Mars, well done, not many people understand how these form
Merci Anton
They spent all the money on senseless wars .
Apparently space is taking a back seat relative to all the other government programs.
Well we gotta send Ukraine another 10 billion dollars this month.
Actually it was ~$60 billion. @@jackmeowmeowmeow2177
@@jackmeowmeowmeow2177 More like 60. Not 10.
@@CordovaMage False. Money mostly spent in the USA to buy new equipment to replace end-of-service items which are then passed on to Ukraine.
Politicians get a bigger return from funneling dollars to private companies which then recycle donations to protect fiefdoms. Real dollars are more exciting than real science.
Great job
I love Tolkein's Lord of the Rings more than Edgar Rice Borroughs' Mars series, but think it would be way cooler to use Barsoom names to name actual places on Mars.
Ingenuity is now officially Marvin... Less Warner Brothers sense and more in the Douglas Adams sense. 😅
Did anyone really think that Sample Return was ever going to be a thing?
What's the point of exploring at all if we don't get the whole story? Shouldn't we follow up on the funds already spent to make it worthwhile? Where is the human curiosity? Oh, it went to inspect how to help the Jews exterminate the Arabs.... 😮😢
Anton's statement that the moons are "not very Mars looking" probably represents a helpful idiom in astronomy and other fields. Instead of having to say that X doesn't look very much like Y, you can just say X is not very Y looking.
Thanks!
Checking out Titan first, SMARTER than I thought they were !!! 😂😊
You know what to do Helldivers. Let’s collect those samples, for democracy.
O7
basically the bad news about samples its not a bad news, its a meh news that doesnt affect life on mars
it doesn't affect a thing but congressional porkbarrels
We've been called by the Sirens of Titan...
Billions to other countries is ok, but increasing mankind’s knowledge isn’t worthwhile? These short sighted politicians need to be replaced.