@@abbeydawnlbs6857 In future, they could go way beyond 68° i.e. maybe 70° but not in near future. At 68° chassis touches the road, so 68° is the threshold. Chassis of Marquez's Honda touched at 67° he literally lifted it up from crashing down, some other bike can go to 68° max at present but not beyond that. Every degree counts and probably costs millions of dollars for every gain in micro seconds and degrees. 👍👍
tires. contact patch & what comes in contact w/the contact patch. remember that the next time you're diving into gravelly, oily, uneven surface in a corner on the street. i think the lean angle should be measured to the center of the bike, not the inside.
I've done 55° on adventure bikes... because I needed to, to avoid crashing at the speed I was going(legal speeds, tight corners, first time I did it I was going 25mph through a 110° hairpin). 40° is more my comfort zone though.
+Imran Anwar Nah. Anyone who can ride can lean the bike over that far. You just need the right tires and a good surface. That doesn't mean you're going to go and beat Valentino around a race track. Leaning the bike over that far is not that you're trying to lean, it's that you have to lean to make the turn.
I've gone 55° of lean on instinct, I wasn't trying to get a knee down, I actually ended up counter-leaning my body up halfway through, I was just entering the corner too fast to do anything else(30kmh, 100° hairpin turn), my tires got to about 30cm/a foot from the sidewalk. Sidenote: It was on a Versys, and I don't think I maxed out the lean it can do, it can probably do 60°.
Kaerius most bikes can do that it's the rider that cant and it's mainly because of confidence and object fiction (whatever it's called) where you stare at an object that you don't want to hit n hit it. look where you want to go not the thing to don't want to hit
You mean target fixation. But yeah many sportier bikes can, but cruisers and larger tourers generally can't(for example goldwings top out at 45°, scraping engine guards at that point). Even some of the sport and naked street bikes top out around 55° because they start scraping pegs at that point or earlier, they simply run out of clearance. I should note I wasn't hanging off the bike, and I count the lean angle up the center line of the bike, since not all count it that way. Sidenote: I don't really want to test going 60° on the Versys in case my tires run out of traction before I hit the end of the bike's ground clearance.
Sorry guys, but if you watch the video and stop it "Exactly" when the angle line from up right center, to "max angle center of the bike", (2:04), the Bike is only at 51 degree's, its the rider who is leaning to 64 degree's, not the bike..
Karl Buttler True. I noticed the same thing too. But it looks like the view is distorting the facts a bit (vanishing point perspective with the bike not centered, wheels not completely alligned) and also, the bike seems to be at a lower lean angle than a real MotoGP bike would be. I think it's just a bad animation. The 64° refers to the bike, not the rider.
Well if thats true, that is probably way steeper than i'm willing to go, I'm a private pilot, and steep turns are performed at 45*, that will make your ass pucker if you are not used to it, one of my flight instructors demonstrated a 60* bank, and let me tell you, that is really throwing that wing down..
When Marc Márquez was asked about his elbow sliding he said he knew when his elbow was sliding, he could still go down a little more. And they don't stick out their elbows. Imagine that. You can't see the lean angles very well on TV, but in photos and super slow-mos you can see it much better. pbs.twimg.com/media/BM_LtiKCQAAQJRj.jpg:large
Not only the lean angle of the bikes is impressive but ad to that the slip angles of the tires and you get a real sense of just how on the edge these riders are. I tried road racing motorcycles back in the mid-seventies(Yamaha RD-350 on Dunlop K-81's)and was blown away by watching the fast riders enter the corners sliding the rear out. I can do that on four wheels but never felt comfortable trying to do that on two. That is why I still have much respect for road racing motorcycle riders. Great Video. Thank you for posting this
Yeah! What Whitey2Slow said. No one should be allowed to drive a car until they have ridden a moped for a year to see what it’s like when it’s raining, windy, dark or what being harassed by unknowing box drivers is like. They do this in Switzerland and by and large, they make very observant drivers. Bikes are sex on wheels. 🇬🇧
I’m shocked that the friction actually didn’t give out to the centrifugal force. New motogp fan here and at this stage,I don’t even know the riders at all. I’m just casually sitting here with awe at every corner they take.I’m highly impressed in the skill and engineering
That's the great thing, that centrifugal force is SMASHING the tires down and against the road surface, increasing grip. It's the same as weight transfer in a car, getting on the power coming into a turn can transfer weight and inertia to the rear drive wheels, increasing grip and holding the turn better even as you accelerate. Lift off in that turn, the weight transfers forward and you LOSE rear grip.
The key to leaning the bike over that far is the tires. Any bike with enough ground clearance can lean over. You lean to make the turn. You just need enough speed and centrifugal force AND most importantly, TRACTION. Street bike tires aren't as sticky as Motogp tires because they are also made for durability. Motogp tires only last one race.
Shut up. The most important thing is balls. Having the nerve to hit a corner at over 100 mph and get your body off a bike and lean a bike to its absolute limits is not easy. Not everyone can do it. They are professionals and train for hours upon hours everyday. I bet you wouldn't even be able to top the bike out on a straight without shitting yourself.
DonTHEhandsome1 You don't ride or you would know that the bike doesn't have to go 100mph to lean it over. Even still, I ride a sportbike and have no problem going fast. Again. To get 60 degree lean angles you better have great tires and a good road surface. Traction is the primary factor in maximum lean angles. Watch Motogp. Those guys often exceed the limits of their traction despite the very best conditions and crash all the time.
Well you are both right in some ways, having the nerve to DO it is important, but the tyres are critical. On my channel, watch the video called ETHOS OF SPEED, I'm on my R1, and doing 150mph+ knee down on the street in the mountains. Many times I've had the tyres start to slip (tucking the front) at high speed, very different from when I'm powersliding the bike on PURPOSE (also seen in my videos) so having access to tyres so fucking sticky means motogp bikes are able to lean and grip in ways not available to the public.
It is more than tires and a clean surface. The chassis and suspension settings have to be right, weight makes a difference too. That's why only motogp can do it ( otherwise if only sticky tires and cornering clearance were all you need, hypermotard would be the fastest at cornering).
Long time ago, I got 270 degrees in one direction albeit i was off the bike at around 90 and the bike was totaled around 180 it was cool while it happened. I just had to Roll with it.
Elegant explanation. There was a time when Lorenzo was pretty much in class of his own, like Casey Stoner. To my way of thinking, MotoGP is the most realistic racing I have ever seen.
JollyMud .... and most of them don't even ride or never rode a sportbike, not to mention a gp bike. I have a lot of respect and admiration for anyone that can ride these machines.
LOL, i stopped the video at 2.04 and that bike is no more than 53% from verticle. This is talking about Bike lean angle, yeah? and not rider lean angle?
@@saeedatenzi then as a new rider, I was already leaning at +50°. I could get my bike to 45° within 3 months of riding. My body was beyond that. This is on a Supermoto.
Yes I noticed that too. Surely it should be the bikes lean angle not the riders, as I've seen plenty of funny CZcams clips on getting your knee down where the bike is almost vertical, but the rider is hanging off so far its comical in an attempt to drag a knee.
@@rivernet62 In the graphic the line is centered right on riders center of gravity, which is wrong as the rider is weighing 1/3 of the bike weight. The center of gravity will be somewhere in between the two but much closer to the bikes center than the riders.
Weight reduction has played a huge role in lean angle as well. That super grip tire compound with it's credit card contact patch isn't doing this all on it's own.
for me that is completely insane, given the forces involved when turning! so basically you have small tire contact zone, centrifugal force and on top of these two you are adding the overall weight of the bike that theoretically increases when the bike is cornering! How the .... does the bike not loosing grip??? I can consider the way tires are developed for maximum grip but still.... that's just WOW 😳!
Awesome illustration of the rider skill. We the fans get so engrossed in the competitiveness, we take it for granted, don't we. Sheer skill. No room for fear.
1:11 here the line for the angle goes through vertical tire axis 2:03 here the line for the angle goes through the center of the drivers body That s not comparable!
I admire these guys, so much bottle, speeds in the rain, the fishtailing. They have an off they just get up and dust themselves off, no knee or hand trembling. At 2:05 the diagram does not show the bike at 64 degrees. Tyres make so much difference, no one should underestimate the performance of tyres and how much they have an effect on a bike. Now go for a challenge and watch the Isle of Man TT. The speeds they do without run off areas. I hope they are all save this year as in all years, nerves of steel
+Fletcher DeMaine Not really, they're lining up the contact patch of the wheel with the combined center of mass of both rider and bike, because the rider leans in it shifts the center of mass lower, so the force on the tires is just as big as it would be when the bike would be at 64 degrees with the rider upright, and that is what it is really about, the force on the tire, not the lean of the bike on its own.
I set up a lean rig a while back to practice body position in my garage. It didn't work at all. You just can't hang on without the centrifugal force. After that everyone took turns drunkenly falling off of it.
Since i started riding on my zx6r back in 2002, i tend to shift my weight and put down knee to lean, it doesn't matter how small or big the curve is. Then i realized i tend to do the same thing on a cruiser which your position and leaning is different.
suspension is very important at lean. if you notice, front actualy compresses when in lean, if it was to bottom out at that point it would lock up front wheel as if you were breaking
why is the leaning angle measurement on 3D animation made to the side and not to the centre of the fairing???? that would never be a 64 degree . Nathan Rees noticed that too.
+Ray Low the anchor at 2:08 is at the outer right of the wheel, the anchor at 1:25 is on the center, so I guess they need to offset to compensate for that.
These riders are true my gifted. Someone years ago stated that it is the tire which spin as gyroscope which help this 64 degree lean. Riders have to force the bike to lean as the gyro ( not to be confused with the sandwich) want to force the bike up. The compound of the tires plays a large part also. When heated they,become like ....like.....like bubble gum. I have been to the paddocks at Brainerd International race way located in Minnesota. Back in the day of Doug Chanler, Fred Merkel, and Raymond Rouche.
szili76 OH thanks bro, I must have missed the sign language interpreter they hired and placed on screen. Where was he again since you were able to see him?
Great shots and questions about lean angles. I'd add that street cars have trouble getting to 1 G force in a corner. For most, with street tires 1 G is maximum. If you use high school physics 1 G in a corner, outside force equals downward force of gravity, and you have the perfect 45 degrees. Anything past that is better than a street car on the corners. 64 degrees is mind boggling, I just can't get my head around that. Then to think, they get air at that lean angle over a bump, so they don't go vertical when they get air, they launch at the lean angle. If they did launch vertical it would instantly destabilize the bike. So imagine launching off a bump at 64 degrees sideways, and the centrifugal force brings you back. The physics baffles the eyes. Now you are the engineer designing the next chassis, and somehow you have to understand these forces running through the frame. Recall steel frames flex, which as it turns out is a good thing, after Ducati tried to make one out of carbon fibre, which doesn't flex at all. Proof is in their performance after Casey left. Riding this beast, is pure skill far about F1 driving IMO.
Like most of us, I am amazed and more than a little impressed at the amazing angles achieved by these guys. My Busa has "Hero" nobs on the bottom of the footpegs, and I will be surprised with myself if I ever touch them down? In saying that, I have just watched a vid on how to corner properly, which I will be trying, so who knows? Watch out Lorenzo, LOL
I gotta agree in principle with Karl Buttler. I reached the same conclusion before I saw the comments. I stopped the video at the point where the lean angle FROM THE TIRE'S CONTACT POINT lines up with the frame, and the actual lean angle of the bike is 55-57º. While still impressive, 57º does not equal 64º.
He wasn't that bad.... Bike was probably broken anyway.... Here, have another beer... You can try again later.... HEY.. Somebody get this champ another bike!
The high lean angles are a result of the large rear tire creating a large slip angle force that opposes the camber force. The rider has to lean farther to create additional camber thrust. This is why bikes with narrow tires handle better.
I'm not saying that it's not impressive but shouldn't the angle be measured with a line that bisects the centre of the front tyre? This I where it is drawn upright, at zero degrees. When the bike is leaning the angle is exaggerated by moving it a few degrees to the right.
I used to regularly scrape the 'hero knobs' one one of my old street bikes. Once when having a few beers in the shed with a (non riding) mate, I leaned the bike over to show him what kind of angle was needed to scrape the foot peg... gotta admit, even I was surprised!!
Somewhere in the Internet says that the max angle for supermoto is about 61degrees. The biggest angle is for motocross but that's because in the curves the dirt is almost vertical so there's no limit on how much the bike can lean.
+NOONmusic Its not about "can" or "cant" . Lighter and smaler raiders little NEED to lean more because they dont have MASS enough to fight against the bike tendency to keep going at the same direction as it was ate the straight so they kind of "need" to hang themselves. The Same bike at the same speed at the same corner at the same conditions will need the same amount of force to keep them at the same angle. But Raiders does have differente wheight. But the physics go FAR more deep than this.
He's not referring to the bike. He is saying that the riders are able to lean their bodies to as far as 64 because the tires are able to hold. You can clearly see the line they draw go up the drivers center mass through the helmet.
Im an avid superbike fan and motogp fan ..and an ex super sport racer. I found an interesting mistruth in this video. Originally the demonstration shows the BIKE leaning 64 degrees as if this is the bike angle in max lean position, but with an actual ride demo the rider is at 64 degress while the bike is closer to 59/60degrees. Having an angle reader on my daily ride, 59 to 60 degrees is not uncommon when youre in the mood. and if i had a cam in front to guage my body angle, its gonna also be 64 degrees. Learner riders are trained to stay perpendicular to the bike during corners, but race fan learners will always try to "get off" the bike, or lean further than the bike angle. this is turn helps the bike turn sharper as it lowers the centre of gravity and allows the flex of the tires to get more purchase on the tarmac. The "racing position" on turns is always safer than perpendicualar to the bike, but i digress..... I still cant work out why this video shows bike angle and then shows body angle that the bike cant lean without powersliding and going to close to losing the back or front end. The short version of this comment is: they start talking apples then claim oranges are apples.
Dont know how but last year on a too fast turn I hit a steep angle on my Honda Shadow (a cruiser chopper, 500 pnds) slid, it hit the lower exhaust clamp at same time i corrected and added throtle. I throttle it out of the slide. My friends behind told me it looked like a moto gp but i just blame the exhaust clamp from saving me from that 30 mph low slide. To scrape that exhaust i measured it at over 60 degrees of bank. Im an aerobatic pilot maybe that helped me recover from that high lean angle. On the airplane i often put 60-70 degree turns. Anyway I thank Moto GP for teaching me how to trothle out while leaning forward to put more weigh on front tire when steep turning on moto and saving my Honda Shadow.
So...the announcer looks like a pouf AND we didn't get a complete scientific explanation that would have broadened our knowledge and made us smarter? Well I'm disappointed.
To those saying that can reach these angles...MotoGP riders are always looking for the minimum lean angle required to avoid losing traction and a possible highside. It's the extreme speed in the corner that dictates this ridiculous lean angles!
Once upon a time i lean over until the body of my scooter touch the ground. I was using 110 cc modified scooter with slick compound tires, and i did that whilr my friend behind me playing with his gadget. Best experience ever
If you pause it at 2:04 this is the actual lean in your graphic, its at 54 degress. The rider is leaned over more but not the bike so the grip patch stays the same. use a better graphic.
I try tomorrow on my way to work
+jason antigua Are you still alive
***** Poor jason
+Jehoiada K. he died trying lmao 😂😂
jk I hope he's alright tho heh
+Jehoiada K. he died trying lmao 😂😂
jk I hope he's alright tho heh
You will be missed :'(
I always lean at 64° but suddenly crowd gathered and help me out...
Well Marquez breaks the physics
lmao..
you made me laugh really hard dude
And ambulance sirens lmao
😂😂
When you pay for the whole tire, you may as well use it all.
Sounds like a fireblade owner: “bought the whole speedo, gonna use the whole speedo” haha
Looool
@@williamjagkenny5977 🤣🤣🤣
Same thing goes for prostitutes.
40° Scooter
50° Street Bike
55° Super Sport
61° SBK
64° MotoGP
68° Marc Marquez
Wtf
66 you mean
Why no °69
@@abbeydawnlbs6857 In future, they could go way beyond 68° i.e. maybe 70° but not in near future. At 68° chassis touches the road, so 68° is the threshold. Chassis of Marquez's Honda touched at 67° he literally lifted it up from crashing down, some other bike can go to 68° max at present but not beyond that. Every degree counts and probably costs millions of dollars for every gain in micro seconds and degrees. 👍👍
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tires.
contact patch & what comes in contact w/the contact patch. remember that the next time you're diving into gravelly, oily, uneven surface in a corner on the street.
i think the lean angle should be measured to the center of the bike, not the inside.
WoW
WOW! Keep it up!
how low can you go? Colin Edwards - 2008 Jerez MotoGP Qualifying Save
Awesome...
64 degree?? Huh?
even if I make turn in 30 degree I feel like I'm riding very awesome.
CuteVamp happens😂😂😂
I've done 55° on adventure bikes... because I needed to, to avoid crashing at the speed I was going(legal speeds, tight corners, first time I did it I was going 25mph through a 110° hairpin). 40° is more my comfort zone though.
How do you measure
@@OnlyKaerius did you have a fucking measuring stick with you or something?
@@dezient3816 Its called a smartphone
I was struggling to remember what a credit card looked like, thanks for the pic...
LOL,you’ll have more than you want someday.Resist that temptation,
I laughed out loud at this. And yes I spelled it out, it was that funny.
No credit card will make you rich one day.
2:36 I always find the high-def slo-mo close-up shots of moto-gp to be really impressive.
motogp = 64°
Drunk = 90°
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Lol
ROFL
Being a casual rider I am sure I can hit 64 degrees of lean..... during a rapid uncontrolled migration from 30 degrees to a full flat 90 degrees. LOL
+Imran Anwar lol briefly. lol!
+Imran Anwar Nah. Anyone who can ride can lean the bike over that far. You just need the right tires and a good surface. That doesn't mean you're going to go and beat Valentino around a race track. Leaning the bike over that far is not that you're trying to lean, it's that you have to lean to make the turn.
I've gone 55° of lean on instinct, I wasn't trying to get a knee down, I actually ended up counter-leaning my body up halfway through, I was just entering the corner too fast to do anything else(30kmh, 100° hairpin turn), my tires got to about 30cm/a foot from the sidewalk. Sidenote: It was on a Versys, and I don't think I maxed out the lean it can do, it can probably do 60°.
Kaerius most bikes can do that it's the rider that cant and it's mainly because of confidence and object fiction (whatever it's called) where you stare at an object that you don't want to hit n hit it. look where you want to go not the thing to don't want to hit
You mean target fixation. But yeah many sportier bikes can, but cruisers and larger tourers generally can't(for example goldwings top out at 45°, scraping engine guards at that point). Even some of the sport and naked street bikes top out around 55° because they start scraping pegs at that point or earlier, they simply run out of clearance. I should note I wasn't hanging off the bike, and I count the lean angle up the center line of the bike, since not all count it that way.
Sidenote: I don't really want to test going 60° on the Versys in case my tires run out of traction before I hit the end of the bike's ground clearance.
Sorry guys, but if you watch the video and stop it "Exactly" when the angle line from up right center, to "max angle center of the bike", (2:04), the Bike is only at 51 degree's, its the rider who is leaning to 64 degree's, not the bike..
The Spaniard is cracked over 65 degres... pay more attention.
Karl Buttler True. I noticed the same thing too. But it looks like the view is distorting the facts a bit (vanishing point perspective with the bike not centered, wheels not completely alligned) and also, the bike seems to be at a lower lean angle than a real MotoGP bike would be.
I think it's just a bad animation. The 64° refers to the bike, not the rider.
Well if thats true, that is probably way steeper
than i'm willing to go, I'm a private pilot, and steep turns are performed at 45*, that will make your ass pucker if you are not used to it, one of my flight instructors demonstrated a 60* bank, and let me tell you, that is really throwing that wing down..
When Marc Márquez was asked about his elbow sliding he said he knew when his elbow was sliding, he could still go down a little more. And they don't stick out their elbows. Imagine that.
You can't see the lean angles very well on TV, but in photos and super slow-mos you can see it much better.
pbs.twimg.com/media/BM_LtiKCQAAQJRj.jpg:large
Wow, thanks for the photo, guess if the bike went down, he would not have far to fall :-)
Not only the lean angle of the bikes is impressive but ad to that the slip angles of the tires and you get a real sense of just how on the edge these riders are. I tried road racing motorcycles back in the mid-seventies(Yamaha RD-350 on Dunlop K-81's)and was blown away by watching the fast riders enter the corners sliding the rear out. I can do that on four wheels but never felt comfortable trying to do that on two. That is why I still have much respect for road racing motorcycle riders.
Great Video. Thank you for posting this
Incredible. I always move for the bikers on the freeway. We are in metal cages and you guys exposed! badass
Thank you, excellent chanel
i wish there were more people like you haha
It worked.
Wanna take a ride 😁
Thank you for doing that for us, Audrey! 👍
Yeah! What Whitey2Slow said. No one should be allowed to drive a car until they have ridden a moped for a year to see what it’s like when it’s raining, windy, dark or what being harassed by unknowing box drivers is like. They do this in Switzerland and by and large, they make very observant drivers. Bikes are sex on wheels. 🇬🇧
I’m shocked that the friction actually didn’t give out to the centrifugal force. New motogp fan here and at this stage,I don’t even know the riders at all. I’m just casually sitting here with awe at every corner they take.I’m highly impressed in the skill and engineering
They will lose their grip sometimes if they miss their line and change angle or throttle suddenly. What amazes me is when they run in the rain.
That's the great thing, that centrifugal force is SMASHING the tires down and against the road surface, increasing grip. It's the same as weight transfer in a car, getting on the power coming into a turn can transfer weight and inertia to the rear drive wheels, increasing grip and holding the turn better even as you accelerate. Lift off in that turn, the weight transfers forward and you LOSE rear grip.
I get 69 degrees of lean angle.
snowcatxx87 You'd probably fall off unless you have alien tyres.(Yes, I'm trying to ruin the joke)
Ray Low Haha, Thank you for making me laugh.
Tanmay Chhatbar even tho marc marquez had a record with 68 degrees
David delos montilla I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that the record is 64 degrees. Correct me if I'm wrong.
So you have a MotoGP bike do you????
Once I had 90% lean angle.
+HunGerMovies I think in your childhood you had 90 degree lean angle many times, just like me. :D
+HunGerMovies Had it twice! Costs around 1k€ and a little bit pain... I must be a masochist!
HCL991 I had my experience a couple of days back.
jamn610 I reached the 90 degree angle two months ago, it was a tight right turn.
I almost did a Marquez, soon I went 10 feet sliding across the asphalt. Not so enthusiastic now considering I got bruised all over and have a fracture
The key to leaning the bike over that far is the tires. Any bike with enough ground clearance can lean over. You lean to make the turn. You just need enough speed and centrifugal force AND most importantly, TRACTION. Street bike tires aren't as sticky as Motogp tires because they are also made for durability. Motogp tires only last one race.
Shut up. The most important thing is balls. Having the nerve to hit a corner at over 100 mph and get your body off a bike and lean a bike to its absolute limits is not easy. Not everyone can do it. They are professionals and train for hours upon hours everyday. I bet you wouldn't even be able to top the bike out on a straight without shitting yourself.
DonTHEhandsome1 You don't ride or you would know that the bike doesn't have to go 100mph to lean it over. Even still, I ride a sportbike and have no problem going fast.
Again. To get 60 degree lean angles you better have great tires and a good road surface. Traction is the primary factor in maximum lean angles.
Watch Motogp. Those guys often exceed the limits of their traction despite the very best conditions and crash all the time.
+DonTHEhandsome1 Squid
Well you are both right in some ways, having the nerve to DO it is important, but the tyres are critical.
On my channel, watch the video called ETHOS OF SPEED, I'm on my R1, and doing 150mph+ knee down on the street in the mountains. Many times I've had the tyres start to slip (tucking the front) at high speed, very different from when I'm powersliding the bike on PURPOSE (also seen in my videos) so having access to tyres so fucking sticky means motogp bikes are able to lean and grip in ways not available to the public.
It is more than tires and a clean surface. The chassis and suspension settings have to be right, weight makes a difference too. That's why only motogp can do it ( otherwise if only sticky tires and cornering clearance were all you need, hypermotard would be the fastest at cornering).
Long time ago, I got 270 degrees in one direction albeit i was off the bike at around 90 and the bike was totaled around 180 it was cool while it happened. I just had to Roll with it.
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Elegant explanation. There was a time when Lorenzo was pretty much in class of his own, like Casey Stoner. To my way of thinking, MotoGP is the most realistic racing I have ever seen.
0° Upright
40° Scooter
50° Street Bike
55° Super Sport
61° SBK
63° Modern Era MotoGP
64° MotoGP 2010s
70° Casey Stoner at Laguna Seca
Actually 66
@@samuele64246 lol
@@samuele64246 66?really? What a rider he is 😱
@@hisyamasri947 marc marquez
@@samuele64246 wow. Must be a beast rider he was. So fcuking brave.
I love how everyone in the comments is an expert
JollyMud .... and most of them don't even ride or never rode a sportbike, not to mention a gp bike. I have a lot of respect and admiration for anyone that can ride these machines.
@The USS Johnston MotoGP bikes have around 250HP while a legal supersport has around 190HP so I'd say yeah, it has a shit load more power.
@The USS Johnston how many gp bikes have you rode? I'm willing to bet none.
LOL, i stopped the video at 2.04 and that bike is no more than 53% from verticle. This is talking about Bike lean angle, yeah? and not rider lean angle?
What's interesting is when describing the lean angle, you go by the center line of the bike, yet for the max lean angle of 64 degrees, it's not.
Center of gravity will be inside the bike centerline, because the rider has shifted it inward with his/her weight
Center line is based on driver's center not the bike.
@@saeedatenzi then as a new rider, I was already leaning at +50°. I could get my bike to 45° within 3 months of riding. My body was beyond that. This is on a Supermoto.
Yes I noticed that too. Surely it should be the bikes lean angle not the riders, as I've seen plenty of funny CZcams clips on getting your knee down where the bike is almost vertical, but the rider is hanging off so far its comical in an attempt to drag a knee.
@@rivernet62 In the graphic the line is centered right on riders center of gravity, which is wrong as the rider is weighing 1/3 of the bike weight. The center of gravity will be somewhere in between the two but much closer to the bikes center than the riders.
Excellent demonstration and graphics
Weight reduction has played a huge role in lean angle as well. That super grip tire compound with it's credit card contact patch isn't doing this all on it's own.
That last shot is smooth as -fuck-
4 years ago and this is on my youtube home recomendation, anyone same like me on 2020?
The benevolent algorithm has blessed us.
7 years ago
for me that is completely insane, given the forces involved when turning! so basically you have small tire contact zone, centrifugal force and on top of these two you are adding the overall weight of the bike that theoretically increases when the bike is cornering! How the .... does the bike not loosing grip??? I can consider the way tires are developed for maximum grip but still.... that's just WOW 😳!
i assume the tires are on slicks so they get really hot and basically are glued to the ground
The angle of dangle is directly proportional to the heat of the meat on insertion
gsxr 1000 gbh?! Me!++go in the g to do so for b8j can kfh+djj go k 98 up
Yep. Copying it. Keepin it in my notes app
Haha good one
Awesome illustration of the rider skill. We the fans get so engrossed in the competitiveness, we take it for granted, don't we. Sheer skill. No room for fear.
Amazing. I like the explanations & animations
1:11 here the line for the angle goes through vertical tire axis
2:03 here the line for the angle goes through the center of the drivers body
That s not comparable!
I was just thinking the same, Jorge might be at 64degrees, the bike wasn't.
I can do 90 degrees with my street bike and I dont need good tyres for that.
Brilliant 🙈
I guess that's Fahrenheit, not Celsius!
I admire these guys, so much bottle, speeds in the rain, the fishtailing. They have an off they just get up and dust themselves off, no knee or hand trembling. At 2:05 the diagram does not show the bike at 64 degrees. Tyres make so much difference, no one should underestimate the performance of tyres and how much they have an effect on a bike. Now go for a challenge and watch the Isle of Man TT. The speeds they do without run off areas. I hope they are all save this year as in all years, nerves of steel
Says MotoGP angle Max is 64°
Shows animation with Motocycle not at 64°
As an off road dirt biker, I have seen triple digit lean angles.
That was not 64 deg !!! They did not line the graph up on the center of the tire
+Duane Max No because the wheel is turned. They're lining up the body of the bike.
+Fletcher DeMaine Not really, they're lining up the contact patch of the wheel with the
combined center of mass of both rider and bike, because the rider leans
in it shifts the center of mass lower, so the force on the tires is just as big as it would be when the bike would be at 64 degrees with the rider upright, and that is what it is really about, the force on the tire, not the lean of the bike on its own.
64° that is insane these guys are something special
I set up a lean rig a while back to practice body position in my garage. It didn't work at all. You just can't hang on without the centrifugal force. After that everyone took turns drunkenly falling off of it.
JonJon95GT
Retarded idea. Pointless.
In Steve's head: "They were having fun, how dare they!!"
+ holy shit Steve, that comment is 3 years old! But this is really nice of you, maybe he's still trying.
JonJon95GT I love how you figured that out, after, you built it.
might as well try and make a racing sim settup for PC if you still have the rig
Since i started riding on my zx6r back in 2002, i tend to shift my weight and put down knee to lean, it doesn't matter how small or big the curve is. Then i realized i tend to do the same thing on a cruiser which your position and leaning is different.
They need more videos like this!
Not only the tire but the courage the knowledge and the skill to make it achievable.
I once take my grandma to the supermarket and lean the motorcycle at 45 degree.
Now she will never ask me for a ride.👌
Good understanding of how great tires are needed for grip on those angles
You guys used the center of the bike to measure 0°. Then you used the fairing of the bike to measure 64°.
suspension is very important at lean. if you notice, front actualy compresses when in lean, if it was to bottom out at that point it would lock up front wheel as if you were breaking
why is the leaning angle measurement on 3D animation made to the side and not to the centre of the fairing???? that would never be a 64 degree . Nathan Rees noticed that too.
KelPL cause they use the metric system
Same reason they like their speedometers in kph, the numbers are bigger.
Pretty cool video. Always wondered how racers could lean so far over without falling off!
2:08 the graph and the motorcycle not align. lame!
Think the angle is on the rider not on the bike.
Sly in Slytherin but on 1:25 it clearly show that the angle correspond to the bike it self, not the rider. But I like your thought thou ;)
+Ray Low the anchor at 2:08 is at the outer right of the wheel, the anchor at 1:25 is on the center, so I guess they need to offset to compensate for that.
+Ray Low It may be the senter of gravity relative to the contact patch
what what???
These riders are true my gifted. Someone years ago stated that it is the tire which spin as gyroscope which help this 64 degree lean. Riders have to force the bike to lean as the gyro ( not to be confused with the sandwich) want to force the bike up. The compound of the tires plays a large part also. When heated they,become like ....like.....like bubble gum. I have been to the paddocks at Brainerd International race way located in Minnesota. Back in the day of Doug Chanler, Fred Merkel, and Raymond Rouche.
I tried it in my street bike..right now i am in a city hospital with broken hand and broken leg ,watching you tube how to cure fast
Great vlog. More comparison tech speak like this please. 🇬🇧
I lean at 75° when I'm vomiting from bed into a bucket. I can't wait to get a motorcycle 😁
They should have shown the Honda riders for this video. Marquez with his elbow touch style has a max lean angle of 68° from the vertical.
I tried 67 lean, but look me now. Its my 26 days here in St Luis hospital
When the riders head gets about 2 inches off the ground you know that lean angel is nuts!
really suck that they didn't even add subtitles... how can deaf people understand :-/
MicBergsma deaf people can read sign language.
szili76 OH thanks bro, I must have missed the sign language interpreter they hired and placed on screen. Where was he again since you were able to see him?
really sucks that you didnt add an audio... how can blind people understand :-/
What?
Fuck deaf people they can get some other cunt to sign it to em if they wanna know so bad
Great shots and questions about lean angles. I'd add that street cars have trouble getting to 1 G force in a corner. For most, with street tires 1 G is maximum. If you use high school physics 1 G in a corner, outside force equals downward force of gravity, and you have the perfect 45 degrees. Anything past that is better than a street car on the corners. 64 degrees is mind boggling, I just can't get my head around that. Then to think, they get air at that lean angle over a bump, so they don't go vertical when they get air, they launch at the lean angle. If they did launch vertical it would instantly destabilize the bike. So imagine launching off a bump at 64 degrees sideways, and the centrifugal force brings you back. The physics baffles the eyes. Now you are the engineer designing the next chassis, and somehow you have to understand these forces running through the frame. Recall steel frames flex, which as it turns out is a good thing, after Ducati tried to make one out of carbon fibre, which doesn't flex at all. Proof is in their performance after Casey left. Riding this beast, is pure skill far about F1 driving IMO.
Its simple... These guys are wizards
Few year back when I was riding my bike at high speed on the earth , my lean angle go beyond 60° and today I am enjoying this hell .....
Like most of us, I am amazed and more than a little impressed at the amazing angles achieved by these guys. My Busa has "Hero" nobs on the bottom of the footpegs, and I will be surprised with myself if I ever touch them down? In saying that, I have just watched a vid on how to corner properly, which I will be trying, so who knows? Watch out Lorenzo, LOL
Rod Anderson U will achieve 90°
Keep the haybusa upright and in a straight line where it belongs lol
Me on my scooter: I lean hard
MotoGP: Hold my beer.
0:50 forgets to mention that the world record motorcycle lean angle was set on a SUPERMOTO.
I gotta agree in principle with Karl Buttler. I reached the same conclusion before I saw the comments. I stopped the video at the point where the lean angle FROM THE TIRE'S CONTACT POINT lines up with the frame, and the actual lean angle of the bike is 55-57º. While still impressive, 57º does not equal 64º.
easy... i can do that, hold my beer
*holding your beer* *expecting you to show*
You're going to need another beer mate.
he crashed... dont drink and drive...
He wasn't that bad.... Bike was probably broken anyway.... Here, have another beer... You can try again later.... HEY.. Somebody get this champ another bike!
He is dead
The high lean angles are a result of the large rear tire creating a large slip angle force that opposes the camber force. The rider has to lean farther to create additional camber thrust. This is why bikes with narrow tires handle better.
They are probably measuring the angle to the center of mass.
Xhia123
Which would be exactly what they illustrated.
I thought you referred to the bikes angle when you talked about lean angle
I'm not saying that it's not impressive but shouldn't the angle be measured with a line that bisects the centre of the front tyre? This I where it is drawn upright, at zero degrees. When the bike is leaning the angle is exaggerated by moving it a few degrees to the right.
is there a more pointless video? the punch line is 'for bridgestone to know and us to find out'. so you tell nothing.
cry me a river, the video was dope
@@NiklasAdv what was dope about it? especially when they actually reach 66° by now
With the slicks tires you can do that!.... this sensation is amazing! :3
Now Marquez beat that 64° record to 66°
67°actually....
twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1144989665944059904?s=19
I used to regularly scrape the 'hero knobs' one one of my old street bikes. Once when having a few beers in the shed with a (non riding) mate, I leaned the bike over to show him what kind of angle was needed to scrape the foot peg... gotta admit, even I was surprised!!
One I had a 180 degrees lean angle.
I think you are from soviet Russia.
Because in Soviet Russia, bikes ride you.
Don't know about another rider, But sure lorenzo driving style is so smooth, he really good at corner
motorcycle in all positions touches the ground in two tiny spots regardless of the angle.
Giorgio Grlj not when doing a wheelie
Daaaamn bruv!!!
Special cirqut and spacial tires and amazing lean angle,perfect with help of tecnology
1:09 what about supermoto?
klstrucker930419 that's a greet bike
klstrucker930419 some of them touch the ground with the handlebar
HAAHHAHH. We still talking about bikes ??
Somewhere in the Internet says that the max angle for supermoto is about 61degrees. The biggest angle is for motocross but that's because in the curves the dirt is almost vertical so there's no limit on how much the bike can lean.
That is so fascinating and just absolutely insane!
LOL 2.08 that's NOT 64°, it doesn't even match... Lorenzo can't 64, Márquez can
+NOONmusic Its not about "can" or "cant" .
Lighter and smaler raiders little NEED to lean more because they dont have MASS enough to fight against the bike tendency to keep going at the same direction as it was ate the straight so they kind of "need" to hang themselves.
The Same bike at the same speed at the same corner at the same conditions will need the same amount of force to keep them at the same angle.
But Raiders does have differente wheight.
But the physics go FAR more deep than this.
He's not referring to the bike. He is saying that the riders are able to lean their bodies to as far as 64 because the tires are able to hold. You can clearly see the line they draw go up the drivers center mass through the helmet.
That last shot is beautiful!
This is why MotoGP is more exciting than formula 1 🤔
Need more of that super slow-mo with riders fully tipped over
That is so fucking cool.
reminds us the need to get more insurance policies..
Im an avid superbike fan and motogp fan ..and an ex super sport racer. I found an interesting mistruth in this video. Originally the demonstration shows the BIKE leaning 64 degrees as if this is the bike angle in max lean position, but with an actual ride demo the rider is at 64 degress while the bike is closer to 59/60degrees. Having an angle reader on my daily ride, 59 to 60 degrees is not uncommon when youre in the mood. and if i had a cam in front to guage my body angle, its gonna also be 64 degrees. Learner riders are trained to stay perpendicular to the bike during corners, but race fan learners will always try to "get off" the bike, or lean further than the bike angle. this is turn helps the bike turn sharper as it lowers the centre of gravity and allows the flex of the tires to get more purchase on the tarmac. The "racing position" on turns is always safer than perpendicualar to the bike, but i digress..... I still cant work out why this video shows bike angle and then shows body angle that the bike cant lean without powersliding and going to close to losing the back or front end. The short version of this comment is: they start talking apples then claim oranges are apples.
i miss yamaha 99 :(
but even he is struggling im forever 99 :(❤
#TeamLorenzoForever
Dont know how but last year on a too fast turn I hit a steep angle on my Honda Shadow (a cruiser chopper, 500 pnds) slid, it hit the lower exhaust clamp at same time i corrected and added throtle. I throttle it out of the slide. My friends behind told me it looked like a moto gp but i just blame the exhaust clamp from saving me from that 30 mph low slide.
To scrape that exhaust i measured it at over 60 degrees of bank. Im an aerobatic pilot maybe that helped me recover from that high lean angle. On the airplane i often put 60-70 degree turns. Anyway I thank Moto GP for teaching me how to trothle out while leaning forward to put more weigh on front tire when steep turning on moto and saving my Honda Shadow.
2019?
They said 64 is the maximum, but marquez did 66 degree.
my scooter i done the lean at 55% lean so that bullshit
Simply amazing. MotoGP is poetry in motion.
So...the announcer looks like a pouf AND we didn't get a complete scientific explanation that would have broadened our knowledge and made us smarter? Well I'm disappointed.
Leaning is my heaven. It meets diffrent experience and test of riding.
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🏁🏁🏁the amazig race🏎️🏎️🏎️
0:58 🔥💃
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Thanks for a fantastic video on this
To those saying that can reach these angles...MotoGP riders are always looking for the minimum lean angle required to avoid losing traction and a possible highside. It's the extreme speed in the corner that dictates this ridiculous lean angles!
im always more inpressed by the amazing riders that do the isle of man tt
Once upon a time i lean over until the body of my scooter touch the ground. I was using 110 cc modified scooter with slick compound tires, and i did that whilr my friend behind me playing with his gadget. Best experience ever
Those lean's are crazy.. With the right tires that is.
If you pause it at 2:04 this is the actual lean in your graphic, its at 54 degress. The rider is leaned over more but not the bike so the grip patch stays the same. use a better graphic.
It’s amazing how low those riders can get.