By far the best way to plug or fill pocket holes!
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- This is by far the best and cheapest way to fill and plug you pocket holes.Save your money and do not buy the pre-cut pocket hole plugs or use sawdust/wood glue mix, or anything messy to fill those ugly pocket holes.There is a much better solution.
All very well when you have a small piece of wood as shown that can be easily handled but not so easy when trying to plug pocket holes in an assembled joint within a project piece.
I have actually done that, I made a custom dog kennel and used this very method, very cheap and easy to do!
Good video man. It's definitely a solid technique, I've used it myself. Normally I cut the dowels before I stick them in for ease.
I have NO idea why people say it doesn't work for assembled pieces. It definitely does if you trim the dowel small first. Sometimes it can be awkward sanding it down. These dowels always give me better results than the store but plugs.
True words. The only say that because they have never tried it. Everyone is an expert online.... lol. Thanks for stopping by!
Very nice little tutorial! Glad to see that stanley #4 in the mix
Yep Good luck doin it inside the cabinet .That works only on open joints
Why would you plug the inside of cabinets to begin with?
It’s a good thing he didn’t have to plug 100 holes like I did
Use a oscillating multi tool to cut them, it’s not hard
Since you OBVIOUSLY cannot do this to an already assembled pocket-hole joint, surely it would be better to make these DRY i.e. without gluing them, in the holes of a JIG and making the acute angle cut while the full length dowel is in place, thus not wasting any wood - i.e. making them in pairs - the second merely needing a perpendicular cut at the right length
Actually you can, and I have.
Or you can watch Jer Schmidt's youtube video on how to make a simple jig to cut your own plugs.
Why not cut the dowels at angles ahead of time before installation them in the holes?
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All well and good but if I'm spending $300+ on lumber for a project, saving a few bucks on plugs is not a big deal. Don't forget to risk marring your piece every time you cut a dowel flush. And then just go ahead bust out your chisel for a little bit. And then sand.
Typically when you use pocket hole, you want to make sure they aren't visible, so marring around a pocket hold isn't a big deal, not to mention if you sanding it anyways, that little scratch will disappear.
@Parklan Custom time is money... you can spend 5 seconds per pre cut plug or you can spend 5 minutes cutting and shaving it your way. Times that by a thousand plugs as you suggested can equate to about 83 hours wasted doing your method, or 1.4 hours buying the 30 cent pre cut. Thats quite the difference in time and not sure if worth the 260 dollars savings to work the 80 some hours. But you are absolutely right, to each their own.
If you have a hundred years that would be great
Doesn't even take 10 mins if you know what your doing, its quite simple.
@Parklan Custom time is money... you can spend 5 seconds per pre cut plug or you can spend 5 minutes cutting and shaving it your way. Times that by a thousand plugs as you suggested can equate to about 83 hours wasted doing your method, or 1.4 hours buying the 30 cent pre cut. Thats quite the difference in time and not sure if worth the 260 dollars savings to work the 80 some hours. But you are absolutely right, to each their own.
I use the same method, but I cut off 3" pieces of dowel material first.
Your method requires two cuts with the flush trim saw. One, perpendicular to the work piece surface, to cut off the excess and then a second cut to flush up the plug.
With a 3" piece inserted, I only need to flush up the plug, eliminating your first cut over the work piece surface, which, as shown in your example, can damage the work piece if you're not careful. By starting with a 3" dowel, when I cut the plug flush, I have a second plug instantly made.
I had never used a flush cut saw when doing my first pockethole plugs. My first attempt was very ugly. I scratched up the work piece something awful. I bought a better saw and worked on my technique and got it down pretty good. It definitely takes practice though.
Yeah tried this method s while ago. You get 12 - 3" pieces from a 36" rod costing $2. To get 50 plugs you'll spend over $8 plus the time to cut them. A box of 50 plugs cost $7 already cut.
@@kbob8424 actually, you get 24 plugs from those 12 - 3" pieces. After inserting a 3" piece into a hole, your cut-off becomes another plug. You spend $4 and get 48 plugs. It takes 30 seconds to cut up a 36" dowel rod into 12 pieces. The cut you need to make to flush up one plug produces another plug, so no effort wasted there.
@@awlthatwoodcrafts8911 - good point, I stand corrected. I'll have to revisit this idea, thanks!
so 2 things, The pre cut dowels imho dont fit very well, and I dont know about you but I can get a 48" 3/8 dowel rod from home depot for $1.18 and im certainly not using 3" per cut, more like 2" so 1.18/24 = $0.05, buying 50 precut dowels at $8. comes out to be $0.16. So that less than half the cost per dowel. And even if you were using 3" per dowel from said dowel rod, it would still come out to be $0.07 per dowel which is still half the cost of the precuts.
Here is a link for 48" 3/8 dowel rod for $1.18. www.homedepot.com/p/3-8-in-x-48-in-Raw-Wood-Round-Dowel-HDDH3848/204354371
Great idea!!
Thank you for sharing. Nice in theory, but not very practical for large assembled pieces.
I use this method even on large projects, doesn't take much time to cut through a dowel.
You happen to know what size dowel is needed for the Kreg xl?
3/8
I guess it’s a matter of what your time is worth. That’s quite a bit of added labor and tools but it’s a good thing to know when you are dealing with a rare hardwood and have dowels of that wood available.
You'd be surprised, not that much extra work, and as woodworkers, not many people are mass producing so you can take your time with your projects.
@Parklan Custom time is money... you can spend 5 seconds per pre cut plug or you can spend 5 minutes cutting and shaving it your way. Times that by a thousand plugs as you suggested can equate to about 83 hours wasted doing your method, or 1.4 hours buying the 30 cent pre cut. Thats quite the difference in time and not sure if worth the 260 dollars savings to work the 80 some hours. But you are absolutely right, to each their own.
@@floofsale I’m not sure if you’ve ever used the pre-cut dowel, but the certainly are not a perfect fit and do require time in either planning them down or sanding them to get a flush fit, so I don’t agree that time difference is even 5 secs tbh, also it doesn’t take 5 mins to cut a dowel lol, and unless you are in production the time doesn’t really matter, otherwise the vast majority of woodworkers out there would only use the fastest and most efficient techniques to build, but that is not what woodworking is about for most people, so what ever the time difference is, it means far less than actual dollars saved on the project.
Sending my full support gdblesss.
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Thank you!!!
Seems safer to just cut a bunch of 3" dowel pieces so you dont risk marring your piece by cutting them off after installing them. Last time i bought the precut plugs it was $8 for 50.
how do you cut the dowel without damaging the wood?
put something under the saw if you want, even if you scratch the wood a bit, hopefully used done this prior to the sanding process. You can just sand it out.
I hate these ugly holes and so much work to hide them. Cabinet screws, glue and fill a smaller hole
Your not alone!
I my self use dowels.it’s a lot cheaper.
You do realize that when I bought my Kreg...it came with instruction of how to do this with dowels?...
Hmm thats weird, mine didn't. I wonder why they would include that in their manual since they profit off of the pre-cut dowels they sell? seems like that would undermine their ability to make additional revenue from the pre-cut dowels they sell.
@@ParklanCustom It was some time ago and it my have been on the CD that came with the set...I can visualize it as a two pronged approach...
1. To show how practical and versatile it was to own and use...As I remember it the was a free plan and instruction video of how to build your own router table included in the set...
2. To show how much easier it would be just to buy the The wooden and plastic plugs and do it the easy way...As I remember it the included wooden dowels one in my set required cutting and sanding and fussing with...they were not just a glue in and walk away thing at all...I used a few of the ones included in the set and never bothered with them after that!...
I built a bunch of shop cabinets with my set...It was great for that!
@@stevebell4906 oic maybe before they were selling the precut dowels.
@@ParklanCustom No that can't be it because my kit cam with screws of all of the sizes and types and sample of what the were calling Hardwood Plugs...(Dowels pre cut)...and those plastic plugs ....like they recommend for melamine...
It was a nice kit all packaged in a toolbox ...with the screws in a divided compartment on the top...and there was room for the pocket hole jig..the clamps and the step drill and everything in it and a handle that locked everything in and was even comfortable to carry...And I bought it at a big markdown at closeout at Lowes...As you know when the new stuff is brought in the old stuff is marked way down...
I would have bought a much cheaper set but the lady working there pointed out accurately what a value it was ...because it included all of those extras ...all of those screws and the clamps and the tool box and everything else...and she was right...it was a decent toolbox ...not just some crappy throwaway box and all of the extras...I think I payed just about 100 bucks for it...half price or less...and I used everything in it too!
that is too much work wow
I'm sure for some people, it is.
If you buy the plugs, they are 30 cents each? Seems like it's not worth all the hassle to do it yourself, using your method.
It comes out to be about 4 cents per plug using dowel rod, over time that adds up. After 1000 dowels, for precut you'd pay $300, using dowel rod, you'd spend $40, thats $260 saved, after only 1000 holes plugged. and it really doesn't take much time to cut. To each their own though.
@@ParklanCustom time is money... you can spend 5 seconds per pre cut plug or you can spend 5 minutes cutting and shaving it your way. Times that by a thousand plugs as you suggested can equate to about 83 hours wasted doing your method, or 1.4 hours buying the 30 cent pre cut. Thats quite the difference in time and not sure if worth the 260 dollars savings to work the 80 some hours. But you are absolutely right, to each their own.
Your method really marred your work surface something awful
1. you shouldnt be putting you pocket holes where they are visible, and 2. Sanding or planing can take care of a small scratch not problem. ;-)
@@ParklanCustom those were hardly small scratches we were looking at as well as crosscut marks from the saw. Regardless, you're going to be sanding or planing quite a while to get those removed. All I'm saying is his method can be refined because as it stands, it's too labor intensive for the cost.
You must be someone that puts pocket holes where the are visible on your project. if thats the case a scratch should be the least of your concerns. A little or even a large scratch beside a pocket hole?? i wonder which would be more visible? lol, and truthfully, it takes maybe a couple seconds to cut through a dowel lol. But hey if your one of the last woodworkers mass producing, by all means, do you.
@@ParklanCustom no sir, quite the opposite and your assumptions are incorrect. I recently rebuilt an antique red oak corner cabinet and had to put a new face on it.
I used pocket screws and red oak plugs and made sure they fit properly into each hole. Unlike most garage woodworkers, I've been a Master Craftsman for nearly 40 years and take great pride in my work. So much so, I actually sign my name to my work. It's what we always used to do to show our customers we stood behind the quality of our work. If it doesn't meet my standards, I'm sure not going to try and pawn off substandard quality to my customers.
Being a master craftsman of nearly 40 years, you should have quite the catalog of projects you've completed, or a website, please share with us..