2024 Porsche 911 S/T | A Car You Wished For
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- We drive, POV, and discuss some engineering behind the 2024 Porsche 911 S/T. This is a car you want but can't have. The street-going GT3RS turned GT3 Touring with more old-school reflexes, manual transmission and a better ride. At over $300k is this the choice of collectors? Others to consider are Z06, Ferrari, and Lamborghini.
#cars #technology #engineering
00:00 Intro and Changes
3:00 Discussion with Chassis Engineer
9:03 Driving Impressions
12:02 POV
13:36 Final Thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Currently cross shopping the 911 S/T and a Ford Edge ST. Thanks for making my decision a lot easier.
How many Edge STs could you buy for the money? You might be able to drive a different Edge every day.😂
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Dealer mark up alone is like 3 Edge STs
So Ford it is, right?
Gonna run to the dealer this afternoon and see what they will give on wifes highlander in trade
It's just a shame Porsche hasn't figured out how to fix the blurry speedometer. Seems like you just can't stop it from happening.
But only above legal speed limits and lets be honest, nobody need this to know. Not even the owner.
Like Jack said "from zero to 60, who cares, very fast"
@@stefanschuchardt5734although you're right, this should not exist on a vehicle this exclusive and this expensive. Porsche's are amazing but they have some cheapness to them that is appalling at the prices and the legend of these vehicles.
the speedometer is made in Japan, that's why it's blurry.
@@PolishGator I think you may have missed the joke
@@PolishGatorthat whooshing sound wasn’t fake engine noise
“It’s good for 0-60 in who cares…”
My sentiments exactly. Refreshingly brilliant!!!
Exactly. Now the minivans are doing 0-60 in 3 secs, I’m glad performance manufacturers are focusing on the entire driving experience.
Its really just a parts GT3/GT3RS - dynamically without RAS ugh.
I was thinking the same… great line, and props to Porsche for not chasing numbers
LOL its a parts bin GT3 without RAS. This Porsche marketing at its finest. The BS advertorial of the older models at the beginning was priceless - there is no relationship whatsoever.
@@VK6AB-so what do you drive?
Because of this review, I'll pick one up on Monday. Thanks.
😂😂, I’ll have two
@@ianmitchell9102 Make that an order for 4 please keep the change
Because of this video, I watched this video.
Me too
This was definitely
Jack, really sorry for you and appreciate your sacrifice for driving this Porsche while Mark was having all the fun evaluating the RAV4 and the Honda Pilot! 😂😂😂
“Another Porsche? That’s on you Jack, have fun with you 100th Porsche review” hehe
It was not just a Highlander but a Grand Highlander. How dare you?
@@TheBucketOfTruth ... did someone say Royale RAV4 w/cheese 🤔. there for a while, 285hp V6 in a 3300lb cute cute was Toyota's fastest 'car'....
I truly enjoy watching Jack reviewing cars even though he probs cares a bit more about performance in regular cars than he probably should but again I can't fault him for that
Perhaps this car will start a trend the leads to a future back to the past.
More involvement, more sensory input, a manual transmission, more life experiences worth living.
Well Done.
With the rise of mandated EVs, even if their sales are low, not so much sadly imo.
Beautifull comment. Cheers
Restomods will always be king in this aspect because styling and kerb weight will always be better due to not needing to abide by modern regulations
hopefully, even for the affordable enthusiast cars.. which, unfortunately, they are starting to dissapear, manufacturers believing that we only want fast acceleration times, which EVs offer, to the detriment of driving pleasure and engagement. Basically, if you're not rich, it means you don't need or get to appreciate cars and/or driving.
I think you paid appropriate attention to this car. It's really special for it's pivotal role in the design of the updated manual gearbox, but the car itself is another unobtainable, parts-bin, limited-run 911. That said, I hope some owners will share the experience with others, it looks like an awesome experience to even ride along.
I'll give you a ride in my GT3RS if you want. Then just imagine it with the newer interior and slightly softer spring rates.
Agreed. Sadly most of these will sit as "investments".
@@xtnuser5338I’ll take that ride! I’m in the Phoenix area.
As someone thats owned a lot of Porsche sports cars, these are almost marketing gimics or niche lifestyle products. They never really do it for me, for me peak Porsche has always been GT3 or GT3 RS - they are a lot of car and if you buy from new, you spec it exactly the way you want it. In many respects they're just high end parts bin specials - for some Porsche owners these are must haves. Whereas for others you look at other options for something different, thats how I ended up with two Mclarens and a Ferrari lol. The 992 is the first generation in a long time that I haven't bought a 911 - I don't find them attractive or interesting, interiors although well made, have a german taxi cab feel to them. Road wise they didn't really shift the game on much from the 991.2 series and it could be argued the 991.2 is more playful and better executed in design. In fact the 992 Carreras with the 3L twin turbo are fairly dull cars.
I’ve had the privilege of driving a friend’s 991GT3RS at the track and OMG I am ruined. It was the feel of my Lotus with the build quality of a German car, the noise as you said of Lambos, old Ferraris, it is the perfect car. All that being said I hate Porsche because of all the dealer BS with all of the RS cars. Of course I guess if I had mega $ it wouldn’t impact me.
Have mine on order, then I woke up
Currently cross shopping a 911 s/t and a Hyundai Elantra. Thanks for making my decision a lot easier
That is a tough one, especially with the body lines on the new Elantra.
Idk for the money, the S/T is tough to beat. Dealer markups have been pretty insane on the Elantra 😂
That’s a tough choice. Can you get the N-line? It’s way nicer than the Porsche if you can swing it, otherwise the base Elantra and the 911 S/T are pretty equal in most regards.
the ST doesnt have a pop n bang tune but the elantra Ns do lol
But the triangles!!!!
That's funny. I was just rewatching the original Chris Harris 918 test mule video and wondered if that chassis engineer still worked there, and here he is. What a boss.
518 hp in a 3000 lb chassis is insane. i love that you can hear so much from the engine and drivetrain, it’s one of the things that has me deeply in love with my 2nd gen BRZ.
How do you know someone owns a BRZ? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you
@@TheEightSixEight what can i say lol these cars are great 😹😹
I exceeded that in my 991.2 GT3 Touring with -125lbs weight reduction (BBS wheels -35lbs, Antigravity lithium battery -35lbs, Dundon Motorsports headers and intake -35lbs, plus 25hp for 525hp, 40 add’l lbs or torque mid range , RS titanium center -8lbs, RS polycarbonate rear and sides glass -12lbs … would I pay add’l $300K more for the lightweight single mass flywheel and shorter gear ratio on the S/T …. YES !!!! Brilliant 911 and rival to 911R as the greatest 911 road car
@@brianhimmelman420 damn 991.2 GT3 Touring is my dream car 😪
The sound that thing makes is just otherworldly. I very-much appreicated the in-car POV segment.
The outside shots through the woods are amazing. Thank you
coastal Redwoods, CA.
As much as I sympathize with your point at 0:52, no one who can access these will drive them. It'll end up just like the 911R: sitting on tire cushions in a climate controlled garage, waiting for the resale value to quadruple. I love the idea of this car and the execution is near flawless. It's a shame none of the buyers will even try to experience it.
Totally. I owned a GT4 manual and a GT4 RS and used both as daily drivers and put almost 50k miles on them. Screw the resale value. Anyone who doesn’t drive the shit out of these cars disrespects the engineers and has no soul or balls.
A factor many don’t realize is time. It’s not a complicated equation. More money requires more dedication. More dedication requires more time. More money means more options for the more limited free time. Add it up and most expensive cars don’t get many miles put on them. That’s independent of the resale factor, which is relevant.
Porsche is great at reconfiguring each sub system of the 911 to achieve specific goals. They are also great at developing the platform after it has been released and then using those devopments as underpinning of the next generation. This S/T model is an example of my first statement, but I remember hearing that when the 992.1 was released, it used almost the exact same rear end components as the 991.2 GT3... Which is just an upgraded version of... You get the idea.
I wish Mazda and Toyota/Subaru could figure out how to apply this philosophy to the Miata and 86/BRZ so that they could have low volume specialty versions with high price tags for the few that can afford it, make their development costs back and let those upgrades trickle back down into the $25-30k base models
Someone with a real enthusiast mindset! I keep saying the new GR86 as a RS type model would be amazing with the Subaru flat six. There’s some amazing videos of GT86’s with the EZ30 at the ring. The ND doesn’t even need much since it already has a good induction noise. Just stiffer sway bars, 15mm height reduction, and 225 square tires…and of course seats. Even the recaro’s aren’t bolstered enough
GR Corolla Morizo is kind of in line with that philosophy
@@aaroncendan2716 There’s actually quite a few issues with the new Corolla GR when it comes to people actually pushing them at the track. It’s probably a great street car 7/10’s car out of the box though. And biggest downside is it’s still a Corolla base. The Type R models have always been that philosophy but recently have been too overdamped
@@aaroncendan2716Except thermals can't keep up.
@@aaroncendan2716overheats after 10 minutes*
Nothing personnel kid
“It’s incredibly special to just be here in…. yeah”
Great commentary Chris thanks
"i...uh....yeah. this is a car"
Holger Bartels is the man. Such a humble and down to earth guy, while also being one of the best chassis engineers ever.
Thanks for your comment, I didn't know how to spell his name lol
I've always loved Werner Herzog.
Never knew he worked for porsche.
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Just want to say, ive been watching savagegeese for yeeeeearrs and getting to see where jack started to where he is now is so awesome. I feel like I was riding shotgun for a second with how well spoken he is. heck every aspect of the channel is so good. I genuenly get excited when I see a new video from SG and cant really say the same for other channels. So happy holidays Mark and Jack and truly, thank you for the amazing content.
yeah i when Jack started i was like “who the hell is this guy?” but now i get excited every time Jack and Mark disagree on stuff. it’s cool hearing their perspectives on stuff, and they gel super well. i’ve been watching this channel since high school, and now in my mid twenties i appreciate their channel even more
Jack is amazing fs even though I don't always agree with him!
The sound if the engine is so addictive. I could hear it all day, doesn't get old.
5:10 is just such a great moment :)
Holy. GT cars always sound good but to my ears this might be the best one, the richness of the induction noise from inside the cabin is unreal.
Yeah it's like the sound is emanating from all around you
Pure bliss
Thanks guys for sparking up even more my passion with cars. Putting up front the people behind the cars is so interesting, it makes inanimate object feel so humane. Savagegeese is a blessing in the car journalism industry. Also, this 911 S/T is a masterpiece.
Just wanted to let you guys know that you consistently create amazing reviews, ticking all the right boxes between entertainment and education. Thanks again and please keep it up. Have a great holiday!
Cool hearing from the engineer. Now lets get those Porsche bean-counters on camera to hear them explain Porsche's pricing with a straight face. lol
The fact that dealers can and will mark it up says it may be too cheap.
@@smithinessGood point. True indeed.
So this is what Jack was doing. While Mark was driving 3 row SUVs, Jack was... driving the S/T 🤣
Love it when you get great interview guests and take a good topic and turn it into a great high value video. Thank you!
it starts from $450.000 in the netherlands, $70000 more than a gt3rs. absolutely nuts
I love it when the car is given the opportunity to speak for itself. Especially with your excellent attention to detail on sound capture and reproduction.
The speechless timing when driving impressions begins is exactly what I would expect for this car. There are just some noises that deserve its own symphony without interruption.
The ignition is a really nice touch, how it has the convenience of keyless entry but still the analog experience of turning the car over.
Very cool video, I really enjoyed it Jack! It’s good at the beginning that you show the car and do the voice over so we get to fully enjoy the sight of the car. 11/10 🎉
I could take any number of still shots from the drive in the woods and make it my wallpaper. Beautifully shot video of a stunning sports car. Great work as always, fellas.
I’m always excited for a new savagegeese video but WOW, this is probably the first one that I’ve actually been brought to tears by. You guys really capture the “x-factor” and soul, the intangible thing that you can’t really explain to non-car lovers. And to top it off, your production value and technical level is peerless. Never stop chasing after the big ones like this one. Cheers to another year of videos!
Man it's good but....don't cry, it's not that deep.
That moment when he stopped being to professional and just said: " I like to go sideways" you can tell the engineer has a good idea of fun
Welp, guess I am going to go for a drive now. As always, great work guys. So happy that y'all had the opportunity to ring out the S/T. Amazing soundtrack.
I'll probably never be able to drive one let alone afford one, but the quality of the video is so good I always watch the content. Even if I'm not interested in the subject. Excellent work!
Never say never.
The only video on CZcams, where camera is somewhere else than on driver all the time. I also love the end part of silent riding with the gorgeous instrument cluster... Great channel as always! And F other car youtubers :)))
The POV part of that video is pure carporn! Huge thanks for it!
Thank you for sharing such a unique driving moment… the noise is intoxicating and the rev counter is hypnotizing
Man your videos are so much better than everyone else. Not even close. Thank you
I used to love 911s because they used to be the every man’s sports cars, but when a base 911 is 120k, and cars like this are in the Hurracan, 750s, SF90 territory…they can keep it
Still wondering how you guys make the POV so stable ? Love it ! 😍
Straight to the driving impressions!
I love this car! Just wow!! Nice to see Chinface getting some time too. I love that I can get a taste of a car that will never be in my garage from you guys. Thank you Jack 🎉
Ah yes...Chinface. 🤣👍
Came across your channel and must say , excellent review of a very special 911 ❤
This is my favorite car and you’re my favorite car content creators. You’re where I go to get the geeky car stats that get left out by everyone else. I don’t feel like this is an “irrelevant” car, it’s a halo car and a shining example of what can be achieved when enjoyment and purity are the main goals. Yes, it’s a limited edition… but, let’s be real, you can’t go into a Porsche dealership and buy a GT3 RS either, and it’s just as much $$,but the tone felt different here. I was so hoping to find out things like what materials were used in the clutch to get it to a third of the rotating mass, just as one example. No other content creators have that answer… great job as always, but I do hope you do a deeper dive, in a second video, like you did for the GTS!
You guys always do such an amazing job of capturing the engine sounds of the vehicles you test! No one else is even coming close. My ears appreciate your work!
My dealer is overstocked with these and is giving me a deal, my 981 Cayman S plus $10k. Was on the fence but your video convinced me to pull the trigger.
It’s truly amazing to be able to see my favorite car enthusiast channel on CZcams given the opportunities (plural) to interview the engineers who design and build the incredible cars we all long for. What an absolute enjoyment to watch your videos.
THANK YOU and please keep up the good work!!
What an awesome vehicle and video. This is a car I have an extremely low chance of even seeing let alone owning. Even still, the content this channel produces has me watching every video. Those forest shots had me rewinding multiple times. Thank you Geese and company, I hope you all have a great holiday and a happy New Year. I can't wait to see what 2024 has in store for Geese content. Cheers.
Savage always delivers a great review
I got so immersed in the POV part that I forgot I was watching a video for a moment.
Such an impressive interview. Well done.
Great film as usual and congrats on cresting 700K subscribers
I'm a simple man. I see SavageGeese upload, I click and watch. Never a disappointment!
NO DRIVE MODES 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 Analog for the win!
That was absolutely the greatest POV I’ve ever seen. Perfect sound, speed and scenery! Brilliantly done!
Unobtanium that it is, this car is why I love Porsche, and I'm just glad it exists.
Absolutely love this car, great color as shown too! Thanks for sharing ✌️
Thank you for the review! This is an awesome color, and a great car in general for sure. Too bad I'll never drive it. Oh yes, the Driving Impressions scenery is gorgeous.
Stunning, and that drive was a thrill!
This just needs a special camera to get 180° POV view with great audio to experience it fully in VR. What a vehicle
The chassis engineer went crazy. Porsche is on another level, people just blind to the fact.
that POV footage is perfect
The cinematography in this video is amazing!
That noise is heavenly !!!! This is the sound of motorsport perfection!!!!
That was an amazing drive!
This is why I love sim driving so much. I get to drive cars like this everyday... that I'd never be able to afford in real life.
Thanks for another great video "savageguys" 😉
Porsche sure do know how to hype 911s for silly prices
the chassis engineer is so german with how he answered everything lol
This review was well done! From the interview, to the drive, to the car itself. Jack well done, you nailed it, thanks for not having Mark ruin it for use with his reality check comments, which I do appreciate but sometimes I just don’t wanna hear it lol. The truth isn’t needed all the time Mark, we know it’s a 911 that we can’t afford. It’s the Perfect Car. The base 911 would be good enough for me.
Simply looks and sounds like perfection on wheels 👍
All I can say is wow! GREAT VIDEO!
Thank you Jack, great video!
Still being able to buy an analog Porsche driving experience in 2023 is awesome.
Truth! The last great NA + Manual experience
Lower limits, softer, slower steering, less locking diff is key these days. Wish this was accessible to majority. Can only dream if a GT3T with software updates would get it close perhaps. Thank you. Ur content is different from the rest. Love it when the chassis guy is a fan of " sliding". ST may stand for "Sliding Tail"
My god the way the engine bounces on the upshift with that noise. CAR ORGASMIC!!! I pray one day I can afford one of those 3 cars you mentioned. 9000 RPM porsche, huracan or more likely the Z06
I am willing to bet vast majority of these will go to people that already have many Porsche vehicles and this one will likely get garaged and see couple hundred miles a year at best.
It's a dang shame, because whether we like it or not (as enthusiasts), we have probably reached peak of naturally aspirated engines and we will likely never see anything like this again, unless synthetic fuels etc gain real traction.
Thanks for taking us along the ride. The POV segment with just engine wail and no words and silly gimmicks allowed me to live vicariously through you for a moment.
I came for the synchronized maniacal laughter of Jack and a German
ND2 crew.. very happy for $30k OTD.. vehicle prices are getting insane.
This 💯%
I love the part where Jack let the engine noise do the narration.
Currently cross shopping a 911 S/T and a pair of Sebago boat shoes. Thanks for making my choice easier.
Your passenger looked mad nervous. Lol. Great video!
That Flat-6 sound ❤
Thx for the POV just the sounds. I’ve had the privilege of driving a friend’s 991GT3RS at the track and OMG I am ruined. It was the feel of my Lotus with the build quality of a German car, the noise as you said of Lambos, old Ferraris, it is the perfect car. All that being said I hate Porsche because of all the dealer BS with all of the RS cars. Of course I guess if I had mega $ it wouldn’t impact me.
The person who earned the cash to afford this car isn’t missing the point of much, including this car.
What a fantastic video. My God the shots here
I know it sounds amazing in person but I felt the sound clips through my EarPods 👍
Excellent video as always! Just mind boggling how Porsche manage to make these incremental changes to the 911 Carrera to this ST & have totally different ‘personas’ to each variant.
Considering I am a recent proud owner of 911 GT3 that proudly is on display on my TV stand this is a bit out of my budget but will buy if one pops in Costco.
Different tangent, what road is this? Is it somewhere in the SF bay area ?
sick car i’m popping down to the shop to grab one now
Being a Porsche fan without Porsche money is torture. Makes me question all my life choices 😅
10/10 for that POV shot
driving around Point Reyes with this Car is epic
You been revving that S/T 4.0 engine as God intended!😊
You know a car is badass when it's pink and it looks totally awesome and normal. You can count on one hand the number of cars that look good in pink. This is one.
Glad to see this review drop…was going to trade my GLA for either this or a Miata RF. Will probably go with this though…looks solid.
Hasselhoff - 🤣 - great work as usual @savagegeese love you guys…
Thanks for showing this. This is prob a 10th car for a 1percenter, that after u got everything u desired, u want something unassuming and drives really fun and sounds awesome as a daily driver. Sto, aventador sv, speciale, gt2rs, 812SF, pista, manual murcie will all come before this car.
Can’t wait for mine to arrive.
Yow-za! If Mozart were alive today, he would be in seventh-heaven. The engine sounds so, so beautiful. As you said, the "blippability" certainly was notable!
I was a little surprised with Jack's claim that no other modern car "has this level of connection", though he did hasten to add the phrase "with this level of power".
II certainly feel damned connected to the road when I drive my MX-5 (NC)... but yeah, nothing like the power in this beautiful Porsche. Thank you for reviewing.