😂 You think lawmakers don't have advisors? Are you aware how many lawyers are lawmakers? Did you know one of the skills of a lawyer is researching things? Why do you think they bring professionals in the field to address Congress on these matters? What do you think that is? that's them not just relying on their own theories, huh?
Facist communist cointel ops in place acting as if they're doing something for the good of the person instead working for the people behind enslavement and debt slavery.
@@dangerous8333 You assume these noble lawmakers don't have an agenda and a narrative to push...for which they may find an advisor to support their arguments in Congress. Much more money flowing through those halls than integrity.
@@dangerous8333 @skasztan I wish I had the empty space in my head like our friend @dangerous8333 to add a "trust the government. They've NEVER been wrong" room. Said no one ever in the history of mankind. Psh..... Those "professionals" you reference, you wouldn't be including the same "professionals" that all signed a document that said the Hunter Biden "laptop from hell" was Russian misinformation, or the same "professionals" that said COVID wasn't made in a Chinese lab, surely you don't mean the same "professionals" that have gaslit the American People for the last 3 years about having a corpse for a President, right?! My favorite are the "professional" actors that fly all over the world in their private jets and try to convince the world that WE have to give up our resources. I also love when "professional" actors go in front of Congress and profess to be "professionals" that have real experience in whatever field that their latest movie was based on. Professional just means they get paid. It doesn't mean they know wtf they're talking about. Yes. How blissful it must be to be this empty headed.
That seems to be the elephant in the room. No one seems to know if it will be a ban on the purchase of new drones and/or ground existing drones. If the ground existing drones, will they do via a firmware update or just tell us not to fly them? I have a Mavic Pro and a Phantom 4 and I use them commercially. I’m looking for a new cinematic FPV and my first choice was the Avata 2. With this ban muddying the water, I’m wondering if I’ll be better off buying into the Walksnail HD infrastructure even though the Avata is a better fit for my needs.
I totally agree, if the government was so concerned about China gathering information on the USA then there are many other things the government should be concerned with. 100% the number one thing is all these cell phones which have cameras, microphones non removable batteries and constantly connected to the internet. Then we can go on and on like allowing China to purchase property and businesses throughout our country.
@@CnRSPACE our federal government has access to everybody’s cell phones don’t kid yourself. That whole episode a few years back about the fbi wanting access to some persons phone and Apple refused was a total facade.
Do you read other comments? Follow other channels discussing this topic? This has been discussed for months now, and everything you said has been said 10000 times already. It's also been explained how drones are different. It's also been explained the difference between an American company making things in China, and a Chinese company making things in China. Lastly, this goes far beyond data collection. They're just not telling you the other things. I'm not a DJI hater, I just bought the A2 even knowing before about the ban, but there is nuance to this argument.
Historically, tyrant is a term coined by the ancient Greek aristocracy to describe populist rulers that favored debt forgiveness for the people over the objections of the wealthy.
There was a passing statement from the FCC that they would ban the use of any DJI transmitters, meaning even previously licensed hardware would no longer be legal to use.
@@ZolonsShopOfWonderZ thats cool but your the 1 percent and that's my main point here. Nice to have def, but flying drones we never will get asked that by cops.
The problem here is Skydio doesn't even have a consumer product any more, so they're going after DJI's pro market with a side effect of taking away DJI drones from the whole rest of the consumer market they don't even serve. Fuck em.
It's already passed the House and it's inside the 2024 National Defense Reauthorization Act which is "must pass legislation" so unless the Senate goes out of the way to revise the bill to alter or remove the drone part and send it back to the house, it's essentially already as good as done.
I always thought FPV should be an elective class in grade school. A kid would learn so much if he or she knew at the end of the class they get to rip their drone over the soccer field. It’s an incredibly powerful learning incentive.
And once they're done with their term, they will "quit politics" and join that firms company as an executive or member of the board aka "the revolving door". Tale as old as time.
😂 you all sound like children. They ban one communist drone and all the sudden it's the end of America for you. You guys sound ridiculous, and I'm really enjoying it.
Someone spent huge dollars on getting the DJI ban rolling, you really think they stop there? I think from a business perspective that would be really underutilizing their investment, they'll need to get the FCC access revoked for all applicable aircraft in order to have the biggest possible spike in sales, not just the new ones. Remember, we're not talking about logical, but legal, from the corporate perspective of maximum possible dollars.
Please, I would love to hear who you think is out spending DJI in lobbying. List one American drone company that could even compete. People talking about Skydio giving half a million, like that means anything. When DJI is literally stuffing millions of dollars into "mostly" Democrat pockets, as we speak.
DJI owns the consumer drone market. No-one, and I repeat, no-one can out-spend it lobbying. However, there's one primary factor that is preventing it from successfully lobbying: it is not an American company. Both sides of the political fence would rather not be caught "sleeping with the enemy" no matter the monetary benefit. See, the US always needs an external enemy, or it will fight with itself (as is happening now). China is simply the Soviet Union of today.
Soooo? Did the actual question get answered here? Forgive me if I missed it, but should I not buy dji goggles or Au being in fear they won't work at all soon?
I wanted to share my perspective on the current discussions regarding the potential ban on Chinese drones in the U.S. It seems to me that this ban does not truly reflect a genuine concern from the U.S. government about Chinese drones. Rather, implementing such a ban would eliminate approximately 90% of recreational drones sold in the U.S., significantly reducing the number of drones flown in this country. Additionally, it's worth noting that the momentum for this ban only started to build after SkyDio's exit from the consumer drone market. This timing seems more than coincidental and suggests that other factors may be influencing the narrative. I believe it is crucial for us to address this issue from this perspective in our messaging. Best regards, Lead Coordinator & Remote Pilot Trainer, Syosset Fire Department
I got my Amateur Radio license in 2018 just trying to comply when it was only analog. I wonder if they could slide by with using the same license or whatever the analog manufacturers use?
@@MrDiMaggio5 I hope those American drone companies lobbying for the DJI ban use zero Chinese parts too. Otherwise the First Responders act will put a massive tariff on every drone part made on China... you know that place practically every drone part is made in.
If this was all about security, all DJI has to do is update the firmware so data is only stored internally (internal HD or card). There’s more to it than that. Like everything, follow the money (ie bribes).
Newsflash, it's not about data collect! That's just what they're telling the general public to get support for it. If you need a clue of what it might be, outside of data collection, watch a freaking Ukraine video.
@@dangerous8333news flash, Ukraine is already using DJI drones on the battlefield and China is also an ally of Russia. Has China taken control of all the drones in Ukraine and used it against Ukraine? Why no national security concerns for the Ukrainians?
@@sarahjenkins7064 DJI has made workarounds regarding AeroScope much harder or even not possible depending on drone model and firmware version. Ukraine is using much less DJI's now. Does this have anything to do with China being friends with Russia? Not necessarily. It can be genuine concern of harmful use of drones. Even stupid people can buy them, while stupid people may not be able to build one by themselves.
What is the alternative to DJI OcuSync 4.0 Ecosystem Drones? I own..Both O4 Drones DJI Mini 4 Pro DJI Avata 2 Fantastic devices with no competition from America. How can you get rid of something without replacing it with something equal performance?
"How can you get rid of something without replacing it with something equal performance?" Imagine the Gov actually caring about that. DJI was used by everyone because it did things no other company could. I worked for an industrial Robotocs company from 2014 - 2023 and even we used DJI after spending endless amounts trying to develop our own systems.
Facts.. smartphone is a good observation I had as well as your smart devices around your home... Most everything electronic in your home look where it was built! And if the FCC certified it it should not be affected by the bill!
China does not make the chips used in smartphones. They do now however have a smartphone where they make the chip that goes in side...but I hear it is crap and the Chinese don't even want them xD.
Back in the 70s Russia was buying up so much export restricted IC chips from the US that the US worked with Texas Instruments and put spyware in the silicon on many IC chips. Russians never realized it for a number of years and stopped buying them when they found out LOL.
So yes, eventually China will have better capability to pull off something...may have now. Yes, any electronics assembled in China is a security threat. All it takes is for someone to change the firmware that goes into the product. Disgruntled employees have already done this a number of times in the US and elsewhere LOL
This law is really strange and can cause drone restrictions all over the world. Cause drone laws in many countries based on USA laws and FAA regulations 😢
In its current state, the bill would not prohibit the use of already existing DJI drones in the Unite States, just the sale of future products, accessories, and software.
It’s got nothing to do with dji gathering data or a concern based on it, it’s got everything to do with what they’ve seen with the effectiveness of the war in Ukraine in using drones in combat scenarios especially given the relative low cost and area coverage for each one. You can basically police and deny access to a significantly sized area with a dozen drones or even less.
Not defending it but is it really that surprising when they've already done things like this before? For example they've banned Huawei and ZTE from selling any electronics in the US. I'm pretty sure that this will pass pretty easily
It's different as in many of those companies "building centers" themselves were actually very very close to military installations along with their antennas were very oddly close to a lot of major military installations. If you're flying dji over a military base thats jail time... which is perfectly fine but restricting dji over a "few" bad apples is as close as to going against even the 2nd Amendment lol
@@jocsanayala3268 I mean dji has been blacklisted from Americans investing in them since 2021 because of their roll in human rights abuses. It's not like this is some random company either
Back in the 70s Russia was buying up so much export restricted IC chips from the US that the US worked with Texas Instruments and put spyware in the silicon on many IC chips. Russians never realized it for a number of years and stopped buying them when they found out LOL.
Please tell me the politicians that are neither idiots nor criminals, the list is getting pretty short lately. If you include not yet convicted criminals I bet it's pretty much 100 percent.
Why can't you guys explain the ban maybe i should read it myself and i did and its all about the cache flight and video transfer to dji so they have some backup to their warranty claims
@@jeremyboyce1537 no no.... Definitely not the smart guy in the room. Not at all. I just sit back, pay attention to the most random shit on the internet and put on my critical thinking cap.
@@BIGWIGGLE223 That's Quite Fair , I Hope You Were Putting-On Your Critical Thinking Cap A Long Long Time Before Now Though Cause Almost Everything In All Our Homes and Our Security Stuff , Cell Phones and The Whole Lot , Really Needs A Critical Thinking Cap !!!! You Agree ? Or this is only about DJI Drones ???
@@BIGWIGGLE223, before you Rant about me liking DJI or believing that I am some kind of Fan Boy , just let me tell you now , Go On Any Of The Forums Or Comment Sections Of Any Drone Channel or Ask Anyone About The Cussing That DJI Gets From Me ! This Guy Don't Really Like or Care About Them But They Make A Really Good Product , That's All I Have To Say !!!! Make Your Comment Now ???
@@jeremyboyce1537 I agree with you there. They make an amazing product. There's no dispute about that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice national security for a foreign nation that has been nothing but adversarial when that same equipment could be made right here at home without the risks. It'll cost more, but I'm willing to pay the difference to have peace of mind that China isn't using the data that their product collects and analyzes on our nation and it's People. That's all. Never said they didn't make the most amazing tech available.
One thing I think people are maybe not understanding is that drones = rcplanes as well. This is gonna hurt not just the fpv community, it also branches out.
What Chinese company with connections to the communist Chinese government make the most used RC plane in the world that millions of people own, with no other competition? Exactly, none. Also, stop thinking this is only about data collection.
With car import bans it was more that car companies wanted to protect their market, not emissions. That's why USA missed cars like the Nissan Skyline. I liken the DJI ban to this, pure market protection.
Yeah, it has definitely nothing to do with Chinese making crap products, or the fact they steal intellectual property and use slave labor to build it. Nooooo, couldn't be that. The only thing they seem to get right is electronics. So drones, 3-D printers, phones. by the way, the other phone companies couldn't compete because they were undercut by slave labor. That's about it. I'm an engineer and tradesmen. I have every type of tool that you can think of, and machinery. I also collect firearms and air rifles and none of those are Chinese either. in fact, I do a lot and can't think of another Chinese company with connections to the Chinese government that I purchase anything from. I don't know why you guys seem to think just because they make decent electronics that they can make anything good. in some cases, even their electronics are inferior, they're just cheaper, and people love cheap. Heard of Daewoo cars? Garbage, and no longer sold in the United States for good reason.
I think we should be more frustrated with American drone companies. They had no drive, to compete. We should have one of the best products out there. DJI as a Chinese business. Should have never dominated this area of business. Americans failed to capitalize in the market. Failed revolution failed through the lack of desire of competing. A drone ability is to great of threat. The detail and angles of what they record. Even compared to a satellite. The tech. fight in the military is real thing. It’s no longer gapped by us. So we can’t afford to hand anything over. I know a video a photo no big deal. But it definitely is especially how much a video can give away.
Disagree. GoPro tried. Hard. DJI used immoral business practices to run them out of the market. 3D Robotics made the Solo - an incredible drone that DJI went and copied all of its features and undercut the price until they ran them out of the market also. It’s almost impossible to compete with a Chinese private company who is supported by the CCP who manufacture everything in China.
It's a national security issue, we see how drones are used on the battle field now. In the event of a war with china, we would not have the manufacturers to provide the drones we would need. So the government is encouraging the manufacturer of all drone parts to be built in the usa. Similar to how the government used to protect the steel industries that would be needed in the event we have a protracted war. Gotta have the stuff we need when we need it.
@user-zc1hp2qn4f customs agents are gonna ask that very question of the manufacturer. They plan on banning all components, motors, esc's, transmitters and receivers. Not just from dji, anything made in china will be taxed out of existence in the usa.
Joshua …let’s start American company to make consumer drones …you could run firmware …ciotti could test …blunti..others …fill other roles…let’s unite ..and turn this into something beautiful..juddeye
Y'all are hilarious. My buddies and I have been talking about this for almost a year and y'all are acting like this is the first time you're hearing it. Yes you'll need new gear. No it isn't going away.
I would like this ban to lead to an American or European manufacturer getting more up wind and leading the drone development. Currently there is no real competition. And DJI products are for my taste to closed up and restrictive and also often overpriced
Perhaps the government should do a dji buy back and offer decent money because I doubt this silly law ain't gonna stop people using their drones after spending hundreds or even thousands on equipment for it to be never used again and collect dust.. silly law makers are dreaming
It's simply cutting down relying on foreign, especially Chinese, products. Pushing your own manufacturers so the US can gain footing in that market since I don't know any other drone manufacturer for the average consumer. Maybe there are some security concerns but I think those might be minor and don't really matter? It's money and in the Ukraine War they saw in action how the drones play a major role and how many DJI can sell there. Both sides buying drones from different countries but I mostly hear about DJI for Ukraine. Maybe I'm wrong, smells like they are pushing US companies and market manipulation.
Yeah that's a very good comparison you made. China has banned Tesla cars because they can create a street view map for the Tesla corporation wherever they drive. China is concerned enough about the US mapping some of their infrastructure, so... Isn't it the better part of caution that our lawmakers take similar steps about the Chinese equivalent with a much better view?
Two door/single cab/ only Trucks have a 25% tariff on them. Toyota Hilux can't be bought here, have to get it from some other country, pay an Extra 25% "tax" and the large shipping fee, then hope for the best. Why? Chicken Tariff from WWII was added to. Even after chicken was removed from it, the trucks remain tariffed. It's the same mentality by the same people. Some "special interest" paid for them to do it, so they wrap themselves in a flag and proclaim righteousness.
This whole thing sucks i wish they would just have fun and fly and enjoy the hobby not strap stuff to the drones the hobby i love so much is getting stripped away SMH 😢😢
Well the best idea I have, screw our government and the people that own it and run it we need to build our own fpv company with our ideals our passions and our rules and not sell out like two other companies did recently I have no love for anybody that has anything to do with those two companies from this day forward we need to get to work and get a real fpv company going again
Some politicians are just jumping on the bandwagon, but a lot of them just want to make sure drones (DJI being #1 in the world) do not have the ability to spy on them. If they ban Chinese drones the hobby is dead. Federal regulations are too restrictive to manufacture boards. I work for Panasonic. The few board manufacturers in the US have to treat their manufacturing facilities like asbestos. It’s just way too expensive to be in compliance and making flight controllers for FPV drones would not be a priority anyway. Too many other industries take priority. And once the government realized a US company was making boards for drones they would tighten up with more regulations and heavy taxes.
@@WR3ND it might. I don’t know that is is as bad as asbestos, but apparently it requires some expensive PPE and insurance/workman’s comp is off the charts. So now we have the FAA, FCC, EPA, and OSHA all working to stamp out the drone hobby because they are scared. It’s not about air traffic safety. That’s obvious now.
I wondered why Skidoosh moved back to the states. Maybe he seen the foretelling that this embargo and tariffs would start. Haven’t seen any videos from him lately and know the community misses him.
Sucks. kind of being forced out of a hobby. DJI Was Great, convenient, and fun to fly. Don't think I have the time and money to learn all the ins and outs, soldering, programming, building, 3D printing, all the battery BS. Sad day. Hopefully I can get some money for it I guess. F-ing Skydio Investors man.
It won’t get ban there’s to many people that rely on DJI drones for work it would hit agriculture law enforcement and fire departments hard so it won’t pass
I thought this initially, too, but it seems like it's ready to pass. I have held off on the dji hardware for fpv (i have the air3 and lovd it) and went walksnail for my fpv digital. Everyone here who wants to keep dji around needs to reach out to their local senators.
Same thing with TikTok. There is no such thing as a commercial entity under communism. They are all state actors. Therefore any security risk consideration is going to grab attention. I agree it makes sense for government agencies to avoid using DJI. But for my camping footage it’s crazy to think it’s a risk.
Hey Joshua, Thank you for making the content you make. The speculation from our government about DJI drones is far more scary and definitely warrants the ban. We had private contractors across our country buy and utilize DJI drones to conduct field inspections and observe many sub stations and power grid equipment. The belief is that DJI has been collecting all of this information pertaining to our infrastructure which can used against us. Think about it, what we be one of the most devastating impacts to the US if we were to be invaded. The loss of power.
I’ve even been hearing talk about how the CCP is being run or at least partially by aliens. Think about it, why would they spy on their OWN CITIZENS? And now us? Fishy stuff going on here! All I know is that this sounds like a full interplanetary invasion to me and China was just first in line. Get those DJI products out of here man!
Google, Meta (Facebook) , Apple and tesla have been collecting all our data and doing surveillance. Google maps , street view or tesla car cams. Don't tell people DJI is bad. Pick on US tec companies too, if you to come with these arguments. Hope you're not using any of the above services, if you're sacred. Oh you're on YT already. Haha
There is a belief, but there is no evidence. So we're just responding to the possibility of what might happen. And that's different than responding to something that is happening.
The loss of power? An empire, on average, only lasts around 250 years. The US is following all the steps of every once great empire. We're going to collapse, it's just a matter of time now. If security was truly a concern we wouldn't let them fly _weather_ balloons across the country.
Can't believe people are still comparing drones with phones. Can't believe you're still only talking about data collection and not talking about anything that's been happening in Ukraine. It's crazy how little you know about what China has been up to as well. I used to think the drone community was full of nerds, now I'm starting to think it's just geeks.
What does ukraine have to do with DJI being banned in the US? Are you trying to say people could use them in a dangerous manner as weapons? I get the concern but they could do that with any other brand drone. It has to do with the US drone companies lobbying to get rid of the competition.
What's happening in Ukraine or should I say we're told is happening in Ukraine (not that I believe them) is an excuse to push their pre planned agenda.
One thing is for certain; lawmakers are hardly ever "experts" in the subjects that they legislate. Lobbyists write the laws.
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You think lawmakers don't have advisors? Are you aware how many lawyers are lawmakers? Did you know one of the skills of a lawyer is researching things?
Why do you think they bring professionals in the field to address Congress on these matters? What do you think that is? that's them not just relying on their own theories, huh?
Facist communist cointel ops in place acting as if they're doing something for the good of the person instead working for the people behind enslavement and debt slavery.
@@dangerous8333 You assume these noble lawmakers don't have an agenda and a narrative to push...for which they may find an advisor to support their arguments in Congress. Much more money flowing through those halls than integrity.
Lobbyists that are partially funded by Skydio, screw that company.
@@dangerous8333 @skasztan I wish I had the empty space in my head like our friend @dangerous8333 to add a "trust the government. They've NEVER been wrong" room.
Said no one ever in the history of mankind.
Psh..... Those "professionals" you reference, you wouldn't be including the same "professionals" that all signed a document that said the Hunter Biden "laptop from hell" was Russian misinformation, or the same "professionals" that said COVID wasn't made in a Chinese lab, surely you don't mean the same "professionals" that have gaslit the American People for the last 3 years about having a corpse for a President, right?!
My favorite are the "professional" actors that fly all over the world in their private jets and try to convince the world that WE have to give up our resources.
I also love when "professional" actors go in front of Congress and profess to be "professionals" that have real experience in whatever field that their latest movie was based on.
Professional just means they get paid. It doesn't mean they know wtf they're talking about.
Yes. How blissful it must be to be this empty headed.
The ban will only affect new drones when/if the bill goes in place. There, saved you 21 minutes.
That seems to be the elephant in the room. No one seems to know if it will be a ban on the purchase of new drones and/or ground existing drones. If the ground existing drones, will they do via a firmware update or just tell us not to fly them?
I have a Mavic Pro and a Phantom 4 and I use them commercially. I’m looking for a new cinematic FPV and my first choice was the Avata 2. With this ban muddying the water, I’m wondering if I’ll be better off buying into the Walksnail HD infrastructure even though the Avata is a better fit for my needs.
It can eventually yes ground those same frequency's once approved so get ur facts in full
How would this affect goggles with digital air units? Also, ban is stupid.
I totally agree, if the government was so concerned about China gathering information on the USA then there are many other things the government should be concerned with. 100% the number one thing is all these cell phones which have cameras, microphones non removable batteries and constantly connected to the internet. Then we can go on and on like allowing China to purchase property and businesses throughout our country.
Amen!!! Big brother has been in our pockets for years lol
They could put backdoors in all our devices, hell they probably already do yet drives are worse?
@@CnRSPACE our federal government has access to everybody’s cell phones don’t kid yourself. That whole episode a few years back about the fbi wanting access to some persons phone and Apple refused was a total facade.
American politicians have allowed China to by into US land. Same here in Australia. Why isn't our media on their back about this issue?
Do you read other comments? Follow other channels discussing this topic? This has been discussed for months now, and everything you said has been said 10000 times already. It's also been explained how drones are different. It's also been explained the difference between an American company making things in China, and a Chinese company making things in China.
Lastly, this goes far beyond data collection. They're just not telling you the other things.
I'm not a DJI hater, I just bought the A2 even knowing before about the ban, but there is nuance to this argument.
I stopped complying with tyrants in 2020.
Bingo. Someone who's awake. Sadly most of my comments are never seen by people.
Historically, tyrant is a term coined by the ancient Greek aristocracy to describe populist rulers that favored debt forgiveness for the people over the objections of the wealthy.
There was a passing statement from the FCC that they would ban the use of any DJI transmitters, meaning even previously licensed hardware would no longer be legal to use.
“Legal” just like all the ham licenses we have while flying 😂. We will all be fine. Everybody is tripping
@@scottycameraI actually have a ham license. Had it decades before I got into drones.
@@ZolonsShopOfWonderZ thats cool but your the 1 percent and that's my main point here. Nice to have def, but flying drones we never will get asked that by cops.
@@scottycamera I have been asked before. The problem is, if/when these laws start, it will give karens and police reasons to harass us more.
Unless the government gives me a refund, good luck!
Considering that Skydio put a half million into lobbying efforts….. can we say protectionism?
The problem here is Skydio doesn't even have a consumer product any more, so they're going after DJI's pro market with a side effect of taking away DJI drones from the whole rest of the consumer market they don't even serve. Fuck em.
It's spelled "bribing"
We say, hooray capitalism!
Free market lol
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Half million? That's it? what do you think that's going to achieve?
DJI is giving millions to the Democrats to stop this. 👍🏼
It's already passed the House and it's inside the 2024 National Defense Reauthorization Act which is "must pass legislation" so unless the Senate goes out of the way to revise the bill to alter or remove the drone part and send it back to the house, it's essentially already as good as done.
Bills out of the House rarely look the same once the Senate is done with them.
Every 2 years congress passes 20,000 pages of law. Simp for them all you want. Most of the time they exclude themselves from the laws.
I always thought FPV should be an elective class in grade school. A kid would learn so much if he or she knew at the end of the class they get to rip their drone over the soccer field. It’s an incredibly powerful learning incentive.
The politician trying to pass the bill is heavily invested in an American company. Imagine that.
And once they're done with their term, they will "quit politics" and join that firms company as an executive or member of the board aka "the revolving door". Tale as old as time.
The land of the free and the land of the ban of the dji drones sounds very free to me.
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you all sound like children. They ban one communist drone and all the sudden it's the end of America for you. You guys sound ridiculous, and I'm really enjoying it.
Someone spent huge dollars on getting the DJI ban rolling, you really think they stop there? I think from a business perspective that would be really underutilizing their investment, they'll need to get the FCC access revoked for all applicable aircraft in order to have the biggest possible spike in sales, not just the new ones. Remember, we're not talking about logical, but legal, from the corporate perspective of maximum possible dollars.
Please, I would love to hear who you think is out spending DJI in lobbying. List one American drone company that could even compete.
People talking about Skydio giving half a million, like that means anything. When DJI is literally stuffing millions of dollars into "mostly" Democrat pockets, as we speak.
DJI owns the consumer drone market. No-one, and I repeat, no-one can out-spend it lobbying. However, there's one primary factor that is preventing it from successfully lobbying: it is not an American company. Both sides of the political fence would rather not be caught "sleeping with the enemy" no matter the monetary benefit. See, the US always needs an external enemy, or it will fight with itself (as is happening now). China is simply the Soviet Union of today.
Soooo? Did the actual question get answered here? Forgive me if I missed it, but should I not buy dji goggles or Au being in fear they won't work at all soon?
I wanted to share my perspective on the current discussions regarding the potential ban on Chinese drones in the U.S. It seems to me that this ban does not truly reflect a genuine concern from the U.S. government about Chinese drones. Rather, implementing such a ban would eliminate approximately 90% of recreational drones sold in the U.S., significantly reducing the number of drones flown in this country.
Additionally, it's worth noting that the momentum for this ban only started to build after SkyDio's exit from the consumer drone market. This timing seems more than coincidental and suggests that other factors may be influencing the narrative.
I believe it is crucial for us to address this issue from this perspective in our messaging.
Best regards,
Lead Coordinator & Remote Pilot Trainer, Syosset Fire Department
I got my Amateur Radio license in 2018 just trying to comply when it was only analog. I wonder if they could slide by with using the same license or whatever the analog manufacturers use?
Turning off comments is the stupidest thing anybody can ever do on a social media platform.
The first responders act essentially impacts RC not just DJI.
no, it doesn't.
@@dangerous8333 How doesn't it? If it's a tarriff on all chinese drones, then it affects components. Today it's DJI, tomorrow it could be Hobbywing.
@@MrDiMaggio5 I hope those American drone companies lobbying for the DJI ban use zero Chinese parts too. Otherwise the First Responders act will put a massive tariff on every drone part made on China... you know that place practically every drone part is made in.
Skydio can not compete with a competition, so they have them banned. I call it market manipulation.
FPV drones should be classified as firearms then the NRA would get the laws changed.
USA needs to step up its drone production game.
If this was all about security, all DJI has to do is update the firmware so data is only stored internally (internal HD or card). There’s more to it than that. Like everything, follow the money (ie bribes).
Newsflash, it's not about data collect!
That's just what they're telling the general public to get support for it.
If you need a clue of what it might be, outside of data collection, watch a freaking Ukraine video.
@@dangerous8333news flash, Ukraine is already using DJI drones on the battlefield and China is also an ally of Russia. Has China taken control of all the drones in Ukraine and used it against Ukraine? Why no national security concerns for the Ukrainians?
@@sarahjenkins7064 DJI has made workarounds regarding AeroScope much harder or even not possible depending on drone model and firmware version. Ukraine is using much less DJI's now. Does this have anything to do with China being friends with Russia? Not necessarily. It can be genuine concern of harmful use of drones. Even stupid people can buy them, while stupid people may not be able to build one by themselves.
I wonder how they will define Drones in the tariff related bill.
Is a flight controller legally a drone? Does it need to be a completed, flyable unit?
Thank you for answering my question
What is the alternative to DJI OcuSync 4.0 Ecosystem Drones?
I own..Both O4 Drones
DJI Mini 4 Pro
DJI Avata 2
Fantastic devices with no competition from America.
How can you get rid of something without replacing it with something equal performance?
"How can you get rid of something without replacing it with something equal performance?" Imagine the Gov actually caring about that. DJI was used by everyone because it did things no other company could. I worked for an industrial Robotocs company from 2014 - 2023 and even we used DJI after spending endless amounts trying to develop our own systems.
100 % with you from 20:20 - crazy.
Facts.. smartphone is a good observation I had as well as your smart devices around your home... Most everything electronic in your home look where it was built! And if the FCC certified it it should not be affected by the bill!
Very Well Said !!!😮
China does not make the chips used in smartphones. They do now however have a smartphone where they make the chip that goes in side...but I hear it is crap and the Chinese don't even want them xD.
Back in the 70s Russia was buying up so much export restricted IC chips from the US that the US worked with Texas Instruments and put spyware in the silicon on many IC chips. Russians never realized it for a number of years and stopped buying them when they found out LOL.
So yes, eventually China will have better capability to pull off something...may have now. Yes, any electronics assembled in China is a security threat. All it takes is for someone to change the firmware that goes into the product. Disgruntled employees have already done this a number of times in the US and elsewhere LOL
They already did with huawei
rightfully so.
This law is really strange and can cause drone restrictions all over the world. Cause drone laws in many countries based on USA laws and FAA regulations 😢
In its current state, the bill would not prohibit the use of already existing DJI drones in the Unite States, just the sale of future products, accessories, and software.
I thì k It's also referred as Market Competition...... DJI drones are less expensive versus US drone's made.
This has nothing to do with China and more to do with them being afraid of these drones in civilian hands
Yup
What I am concerned about is the availability of the O3 unit.
Same here , I have caddx but want the 03 as well
It’s got nothing to do with dji gathering data or a concern based on it, it’s got everything to do with what they’ve seen with the effectiveness of the war in Ukraine in using drones in combat scenarios especially given the relative low cost and area coverage for each one. You can basically police and deny access to a significantly sized area with a dozen drones or even less.
Not defending it but is it really that surprising when they've already done things like this before? For example they've banned Huawei and ZTE from selling any electronics in the US. I'm pretty sure that this will pass pretty easily
It's different as in many of those companies "building centers" themselves were actually very very close to military installations along with their antennas were very oddly close to a lot of major military installations. If you're flying dji over a military base thats jail time... which is perfectly fine but restricting dji over a "few" bad apples is as close as to going against even the 2nd Amendment lol
@@jocsanayala3268 I mean dji has been blacklisted from Americans investing in them since 2021 because of their roll in human rights abuses. It's not like this is some random company either
Back in the 70s Russia was buying up so much export restricted IC chips from the US that the US worked with Texas Instruments and put spyware in the silicon on many IC chips. Russians never realized it for a number of years and stopped buying them when they found out LOL.
I am qualified to comment; using phones to gather intel on suspects/targets/consumers is actively in use.
Electing idiots and criminals has consequences. That's a buzz-phrase that applies here and something we have to keep in mind in Nov.....
Please tell me the politicians that are neither idiots nor criminals, the list is getting pretty short lately. If you include not yet convicted criminals I bet it's pretty much 100 percent.
@@r9999t Yep, like I said elections have consequences. We get what we pay for.
Hello from Germany, I don't understand what's going on with you, and it's not because of the translation 🥴
They'll be bullying 'allies' to get them to stop buying DJI soon enough.
Why can't you guys explain the ban maybe i should read it myself and i did and its all about the cache flight and video transfer to dji so they have some backup to their warranty claims
People are more upset about this than the FAA regs. Ridiculous. Y'all should've been 10X more pissed about the FAA overreach than this.
Well well well ! A Smart Person here !
@@jeremyboyce1537 no no.... Definitely not the smart guy in the room. Not at all. I just sit back, pay attention to the most random shit on the internet and put on my critical thinking cap.
@@BIGWIGGLE223 That's Quite Fair , I Hope You Were Putting-On Your Critical Thinking Cap A Long Long Time Before Now Though Cause Almost Everything In All Our Homes and Our Security Stuff , Cell Phones and The Whole Lot , Really Needs A Critical Thinking Cap !!!! You Agree ? Or this is only about DJI Drones ???
@@BIGWIGGLE223, before you Rant about me liking DJI or believing that I am some kind of Fan Boy , just let me tell you now , Go On Any Of The Forums Or Comment Sections Of Any Drone Channel or Ask Anyone About The Cussing That DJI Gets From Me ! This Guy Don't Really Like or Care About Them But They Make A Really Good Product , That's All I Have To Say !!!! Make Your Comment Now ???
@@jeremyboyce1537 I agree with you there. They make an amazing product. There's no dispute about that, but I'm not willing to sacrifice national security for a foreign nation that has been nothing but adversarial when that same equipment could be made right here at home without the risks. It'll cost more, but I'm willing to pay the difference to have peace of mind that China isn't using the data that their product collects and analyzes on our nation and it's People.
That's all. Never said they didn't make the most amazing tech available.
One thing I think people are maybe not understanding is that drones = rcplanes as well. This is gonna hurt not just the fpv community, it also branches out.
What Chinese company with connections to the communist Chinese government make the most used RC plane in the world that millions of people own, with no other competition?
Exactly, none.
Also, stop thinking this is only about data collection.
The Federal Government has gone above and beyond their Constitutional enumerated powers. This isn't just limited to drones and DJI.
With car import bans it was more that car companies wanted to protect their market, not emissions. That's why USA missed cars like the Nissan Skyline. I liken the DJI ban to this, pure market protection.
Yeah, it has definitely nothing to do with Chinese making crap products, or the fact they steal intellectual property and use slave labor to build it.
Nooooo, couldn't be that.
The only thing they seem to get right is electronics. So drones, 3-D printers, phones. by the way, the other phone companies couldn't compete because they were undercut by slave labor. That's about it.
I'm an engineer and tradesmen. I have every type of tool that you can think of, and machinery. I also collect firearms and air rifles and none of those are Chinese either. in fact, I do a lot and can't think of another Chinese company with connections to the Chinese government that I purchase anything from. I don't know why you guys seem to think just because they make decent electronics that they can make anything good.
in some cases, even their electronics are inferior, they're just cheaper, and people love cheap.
Heard of Daewoo cars? Garbage, and no longer sold in the United States for good reason.
@@dangerous8333 The device you posted this on was made in China.And Daewoo is Korean.
I think we should be more frustrated with American drone companies. They had no drive, to compete. We should have one of the best products out there. DJI as a Chinese business. Should have never dominated this area of business. Americans failed to capitalize in the market. Failed revolution failed through the lack of desire of competing. A drone ability is to great of threat. The detail and angles of what they record. Even compared to a satellite. The tech. fight in the military is real thing. It’s no longer gapped by us. So we can’t afford to hand anything over. I know a video a photo no big deal. But it definitely is especially how much a video can give away.
It's now why Teslas are banned in many parts of China.
Disagree. GoPro tried. Hard. DJI used immoral business practices to run them out of the market. 3D Robotics made the Solo - an incredible drone that DJI went and copied all of its features and undercut the price until they ran them out of the market also. It’s almost impossible to compete with a Chinese private company who is supported by the CCP who manufacture everything in China.
FCC Part 15
Baofeng - “hold my beer…”
right, and it's illegal to use certain features on a Baofeng.
So what is your point?
@@dangerous8333 There is thousands of them in the US without Part 15 certification. Tell me you're a ham without telling me you're a ham.
@@dangerous8333 at this point "illegal" just means "good features"
I'm watching this in Africa an having a good laugh at American "Freedom".
I think the pot it calling the kettle black 😂
20:20 It looks like drones should be protected by the 2nd amendment
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hear hear
LOL - ok
I'm getting really tired of losing so much of my stuff in boating accidents. And I don't even own a boat.
It's a national security issue, we see how drones are used on the battle field now. In the event of a war with china, we would not have the manufacturers to provide the drones we would need. So the government is encouraging the manufacturer of all drone parts to be built in the usa. Similar to how the government used to protect the steel industries that would be needed in the event we have a protracted war. Gotta have the stuff we need when we need it.
Agreed and well said
If there is ever a war with another knew clear power, drones and cell phones made in China will be the least of your worries.
One question I'm pretty sure they never asked "where do you get your components"?
@user-zc1hp2qn4f customs agents are gonna ask that very question of the manufacturer. They plan on banning all components, motors, esc's, transmitters and receivers. Not just from dji, anything made in china will be taxed out of existence in the usa.
Yes
I DID NOT LEARN SOMETHING TODAY
I agree with Bardwell here, if this here doesn't pass these political parasites will just keep trying and trying until something gets passed.
Joshua …let’s start American company to make consumer drones …you could run firmware …ciotti could test …blunti..others …fill other roles…let’s unite ..and turn this into something beautiful..juddeye
Blunty should just turn off his computer and leave. He’s completely tuned out and has no idea what any of the conversation is about. What a dope
did you really suggest youtube should censor comments?
This is why we should be making our own drones lol. They got a point. Its a stupid point, but its a point.
Rich people have been able to fly around giant 10K jet powered planes forever but now that RC is accessible to the common man it needs to be banned!
Now American drone makers will be able to charge the government $100k for $1k drones.
It's only tax payer money, why would they care how much it costs?
Y'all are hilarious. My buddies and I have been talking about this for almost a year and y'all are acting like this is the first time you're hearing it. Yes you'll need new gear. No it isn't going away.
Great video
I would like this ban to lead to an American or European manufacturer getting more up wind and leading the drone development.
Currently there is no real competition. And DJI products are for my taste to closed up and restrictive and also often overpriced
In the meantime French version of swat use Avata 2 for their operation 😂
Any comments on Specta, based in Hong Kong, and how closely they are related and resemble DJI?
Companies located in HK are no different from companies located in mainland China. Party is involved in every company that has any significance.
Perhaps the government should do a dji buy back and offer decent money because I doubt this silly law ain't gonna stop people using their drones after spending hundreds or even thousands on equipment for it to be never used again and collect dust.. silly law makers are dreaming
Who sponsored this bill?
I hope the FCC does get forced to pull DJI tx license, and we see the impact to the biggest RID provider going away.
I mean the apps are already banned, you have to sideload them. Its annoying.
Isn't it a proposed ban or is this click bait?
Wait Trump is coming. Oh my goodness . I agree with you Joshua. It all depends how far the congress want to take it. Sadly.
our world has gone crazy.
If this is about blocking Chinese drones from being imported then I guess it's time for an American drone manufacturer...🤷♂
...with double price, if capabilities are even close to same.
It's simply cutting down relying on foreign, especially Chinese, products. Pushing your own manufacturers so the US can gain footing in that market since I don't know any other drone manufacturer for the average consumer. Maybe there are some security concerns but I think those might be minor and don't really matter?
It's money and in the Ukraine War they saw in action how the drones play a major role and how many DJI can sell there. Both sides buying drones from different countries but I mostly hear about DJI for Ukraine.
Maybe I'm wrong, smells like they are pushing US companies and market manipulation.
I’ll wait until such ban actually happens. Click bait/ fear mongering tactics
simple solution would be just move out
Nonsense as long as TikTok is still allowed. That's the real threat.
Tesla cars are prohibited in many areas of China...Why...Security Threat xD
Yeah that's a very good comparison you made. China has banned Tesla cars because they can create a street view map for the Tesla corporation wherever they drive. China is concerned enough about the US mapping some of their infrastructure, so... Isn't it the better part of caution that our lawmakers take similar steps about the Chinese equivalent with a much better view?
Two door/single cab/ only Trucks have a 25% tariff on them. Toyota Hilux can't be bought here, have to get it from some other country, pay an Extra 25% "tax" and the large shipping fee, then hope for the best. Why? Chicken Tariff from WWII was added to. Even after chicken was removed from it, the trucks remain tariffed.
It's the same mentality by the same people. Some "special interest" paid for them to do it, so they wrap themselves in a flag and proclaim righteousness.
They don’t call him blunty for nothing.
I'm siding with the Chinese more every day...
and aga inst the US government.
This whole thing sucks i wish they would just have fun and fly and enjoy the hobby not strap stuff to the drones the hobby i love so much is getting stripped away SMH 😢😢
Well the best idea I have, screw our government and the people that own it and run it we need to build our own fpv company with our ideals our passions and our rules and not sell out like two other companies did recently I have no love for anybody that has anything to do with those two companies from this day forward we need to get to work and get a real fpv company going again
It would be really easy for someone as technical as bardwell to fire up kismet and prove DJI isn't sending data. Especially when they're off.
As I mentioned on Ken’s post; It is simply protectionism & McCarthyism … Fly safe …
Some politicians are just jumping on the bandwagon, but a lot of them just want to make sure drones (DJI being #1 in the world) do not have the ability to spy on them. If they ban Chinese drones the hobby is dead. Federal regulations are too restrictive to manufacture boards. I work for Panasonic. The few board manufacturers in the US have to treat their manufacturing facilities like asbestos. It’s just way too expensive to be in compliance and making flight controllers for FPV drones would not be a priority anyway. Too many other industries take priority. And once the government realized a US company was making boards for drones they would tighten up with more regulations and heavy taxes.
That explains why my lungs hurt cutting and sanding a PCB with a grinder... 😮💨
@@WR3ND it might. I don’t know that is is as bad as asbestos, but apparently it requires some expensive PPE and insurance/workman’s comp is off the charts. So now we have the FAA, FCC, EPA, and OSHA all working to stamp out the drone hobby because they are scared. It’s not about air traffic safety. That’s obvious now.
The concern is legit however all the Chinese security cameras are worse risk due to the numbersand the way thier AI is geard 😂
Lobbyists and money influence congress.
Gonna keep flying for now!!
I wondered why Skidoosh moved back to the states. Maybe he seen the foretelling that this embargo and tariffs would start.
Haven’t seen any videos from him lately and know the community misses him.
Sucks. kind of being forced out of a hobby. DJI Was Great, convenient, and fun to fly. Don't think I have the time and money to learn all the ins and outs, soldering, programming, building, 3D printing, all the battery BS. Sad day. Hopefully I can get some money for it I guess. F-ing Skydio Investors man.
Good luck, the rest of the components needed like flight controller and motors are mostly made in China and will be banned as well.
DJI should open source their product - that would throw a spanner in there.
It won’t get ban there’s to many people that rely on DJI drones for work it would hit agriculture law enforcement and fire departments hard so it won’t pass
Its going to happen.
I thought this initially, too, but it seems like it's ready to pass. I have held off on the dji hardware for fpv (i have the air3 and lovd it) and went walksnail for my fpv digital. Everyone here who wants to keep dji around needs to reach out to their local senators.
@@daRealGamer22 i'm sure that will make a big difference.
You are seriously underestimating how much the US government does not give a single d*mn about their people.
If you think for one second that the fools in Congress care, you would be wrong.
Nahhhh bro i just got my googles 2 please don't tell me this shit
Same thing with TikTok. There is no such thing as a commercial entity under communism. They are all state actors. Therefore any security risk consideration is going to grab attention. I agree it makes sense for government agencies to avoid using DJI. But for my camping footage it’s crazy to think it’s a risk.
I can't get my DJI Fly app to work now, anyone else?
i hope dji will be banned soon
Hey Joshua, Thank you for making the content you make. The speculation from our government about DJI drones is far more scary and definitely warrants the ban. We had private contractors across our country buy and utilize DJI drones to conduct field inspections and observe many sub stations and power grid equipment. The belief is that DJI has been collecting all of this information pertaining to our infrastructure which can used against us. Think about it, what we be one of the most devastating impacts to the US if we were to be invaded. The loss of power.
I’ve even been hearing talk about how the CCP is being run or at least partially by aliens. Think about it, why would they spy on their OWN CITIZENS? And now us? Fishy stuff going on here! All I know is that this sounds like a full interplanetary invasion to me and China was just first in line. Get those DJI products out of here man!
Google, Meta (Facebook) , Apple and tesla have been collecting all our data and doing surveillance. Google maps , street view or tesla car cams. Don't tell people DJI is bad. Pick on US tec companies too, if you to come with these arguments. Hope you're not using any of the above services, if you're sacred. Oh you're on YT already. Haha
There is a belief, but there is no evidence. So we're just responding to the possibility of what might happen. And that's different than responding to something that is happening.
@@JoshuaBardwell Well put.
The loss of power?
An empire, on average, only lasts around 250 years.
The US is following all the steps of every once great empire. We're going to collapse, it's just a matter of time now.
If security was truly a concern we wouldn't let them fly _weather_ balloons across the country.
I'm for the ban simply because I despise DJI.
Proprietary over priced .......
I just hate DJI.
You think DJI is overpriced, wait until the ban goes through.
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I think the ban is good dji made it to where you can't watch any 4k footage on your TV or computer new or old it doesn't matter.
Can't believe people are still comparing drones with phones. Can't believe you're still only talking about data collection and not talking about anything that's been happening in Ukraine. It's crazy how little you know about what China has been up to as well.
I used to think the drone community was full of nerds, now I'm starting to think it's just geeks.
What does ukraine have to do with DJI being banned in the US? Are you trying to say people could use them in a dangerous manner as weapons? I get the concern but they could do that with any other brand drone. It has to do with the US drone companies lobbying to get rid of the competition.
@@daRealGamer22 He must think only drones made in China can be used in warfare.
You're right; phones are much, much more of a threat.
What's happening in Ukraine or should I say we're told is happening in Ukraine (not that I believe them) is an excuse to push their pre planned agenda.
A new world disorder is afoot.