QUEST PRO VS PICO 4 - THROUGH-THE-LENS COMPARISON - Which VR Headset Has Better Visuals?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 20. 07. 2024
- Today we will find out which VR headset has the better visuals for PCVR streaming: the Quest Pro or the Pico 4! We use Virtual Desktop on God-Mode and compare the two headsets in: Half-Life: Alyx, Kayak Mirage, Brink, Moss 2 and Lone Echo!
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So which headset is the overall winner for you? Quest Pro or Pico 4?
for me pico 4; but what is your graphic card to run half life alyx with virtua dekstop in GODLIKE? can you run VD GOD LIKE, WIRELESS, in 90FPS, in any game? (sorry for my english)
@@jeanfredericely185 he has a 4090 so no problem
Quest Pro and this is coming from someone one who truly dislikes Meta but I can be objective about this. Only question is it truly worth the asking price, I hear there are many problems with them too. I might wait till next year January before buying anything. I will add the controllers on the Quest Pro really make it enticing.
Pico 4 very natural picture quality.
Odd. Is this a re-upload?
As a photographer, I prefer Quest Pro color in your video.
This is programmer, I am Photoshop
Pico 4 wins everything Can't wait for mine to be here in 4 days!
Just received my pico 4 coming from Q1 and I would say it is a big upgrade in everything except for software content and stability. I especially like the resolution bump and much reduced SDE, also that it could track the controllers in total darkness in 6 degrees of freedom, how did they manage to do that đ€Ż
you don't lose tracking in total darkness at all?
@@Verociity Probably a software trick as the headset doesn't track your position. At least it's better than the typical 3dof đ
Now having both headsets I have to say it's really close! The Pico has a slightly higher resolution but the Pro's optics and screens are just much better. The lenses on the Pico 4 are not bad at all just not QPro level. I'f I didn't have the QPro I would be 100% happy with the Pico 4 as a PCVR headset. Stand alone Quest2/QPro hands down! The FOV is actually MUCH closer than I would have thought, the QPRO has the edge here as to get the best FOV on the Pico 4 I had to crank the Pico 4 down quite tight to get my eyes closer to the screens, something the aftermarket can probably address. The colors and brightness the QPro also has the advantage by a good bit, HOWEVER unless you compare them back to back I would perfectly happy with the Pico 4! Now the intangibles...the QPro is just more comfortable, the controllers are much better, the passthrough is better, the build quality is better, it's more refined and polished. The Pico 4 is like buying a Dodge Hellcat...it's fast and you will have a lot of fun. But then the QPro is like buying a Porsche 911 Turbo. Also fast, but has that level of quality and refinement the Hellcat just never will. Can't go wrong with either top be honest. My personal choice the one I go back to is the Quest Pro for sure. I love the through the lens videos BUT I feel they don't really accurately convey what you can actually see. Which I am sure most people can guess :)
One thing I forgot to mention is the sweet spot...that is no comparison. The QPro you can look all around and it's clear. The Pico 4 is good but a much much smaller sweetspot.
does the pico 4 have a native youtube app?
Didnât you find that the QP became uncomfortable in your forehead after about an hour and left a huge red mark.
@@BitsBytesBobs Not at allâŠmost comfortable headset Iâve ever used and Iâve used about all of them. The headset will die before I get uncomfortable. This seems to be mixed in the reviewsâŠsome say itâs super comfy like me and others otherwise. I think they are expecting the QPro to fit like other headsets and are clamping it down too hard.
@@h8tingit I just popped into the Pico 4 to look and no it is not preloaded with a CZcams app and nothing came up at all when searching the Pico storeâŠso thatâs a no go other than using Virtual Desktop and your Pc. I have not been in the Pico 4 in at least a week and I am reminded just how MUCH better the Quest Pros sweet spot and lenses areâŠitâs a huge difference when looking anywhere other than straight ahead.
Sebastian, please make another cable comparison between Quest 2 and Pico 4, especially in this section through the lens. Thank you very much for your work.
I much prefer the clarity and Price of the Pico 4. But When I look at Rhodes face I can clearly see the contrast on the QP is face superior and does make here face look much better where the P4 looks over bright and desaturated, you cant even see her makeup Like on the QP
to be honest Quest Pro looks better. But i will buy pico 4 because of its cheaper price..
Great comparison Seb. Are you going to get the DPVR E4 releasing tomorrow? They're an experienced VR headset manufacturer, I'm looking forward to seeing what they've made. Too bad they went with fresnel lenses though. Kind of nice to have so many headsets releasing that it's hard to keep up, huh?
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@@mixedrealityTV I should have known you would have it! They say they're working hard on SteamVR compatibility. Looking forward to seeing your review!
Did you remove the increase color saturation in virtual desktop for the Quest Pro?
The sky for example is too blue like fake blue
Owning the Quest Pro, and running a render resolution of 1.4x you do not see this SDE. At 1x Resolution the panles looks like it suffers with SDE. Just like the Quest home, it looks low res for this HMD.
PCVR is where the quest Pro really shines. Now running the Quest Pro at 1.7X Render Resolution, and using ODT with max bit 500Mbps and 3616 Encode Resolution width, you end up with something spectacular!
Admittedly you will need a 4090 to run at those settings, but I get a solid 45fps in MSFS with everything set to Ultra.
I a have video on my channel trying to show off through the lense.
Oof
Any vr that needs 4090 to run at that frame is a massive fail.
@mixedrealityTV
another question: was this wihtout local dimming? as i understand: unlike the pimax crystal, where it is active in every app, on the quest pro it must be activated by the programmers of the software (like on red matter 2)
so: this all in the video is WITHOUT local dimming ???
Like a monitor or cellphone you can change the contrast in config in Pico 4?
So this is just default color gamma/brightness/contrast. Isn't there a way to change these so both headsets look similar or is this a limitation?
Funny how thru lenses NOW look so good, that they seem like actual gameplay recording
even for PCVR wireless trasmission!!!
wondering if QP wifi 6e (whenever they activate it) will allow for better PCVR wireless or even Avalanche cloudPCVR
The thing you have to figure out is if the headset is applying some tonemapping on the picture or not. There is too much difference between the two, can't bee only the screen. Either the pico is boosting midtones or the quest pro is crushing shadows.
It seems you have the eye protection on in the Pico 4. If you remove that blue-light filter protection, the colors will pop... but it's not so good on the eyes for long sessions.
Hello Sebastian! Where is Pimax Crystal through the lense?
QPro user and while I cannot comment on the Pico, the QP is a quantum leap from the Q2. I actually can work using 3 massive screens and read everything using link. Using the immersive app I didn't feel it was as great but that's down to the wireless compression from the app. I expect they will nail that eventually. Finally, the comfort is on another level and not having to strap anything onto my cheekbones is a massive advantage. In terms of comfort, it's basically the psvr design which was awesome. The tracking of the controllers is also next gen, I have yet to miss a block in beatsaber. All in all, could be cheaper but it is the king ATM. I sold my Q2 and HP reverb G2 for this and don't regret it.
Be nice to see the comparison now, after the video updates for P4, especially for color. IMO, looks overall better than the QP now, but contrast still better on QP. Wonder why Pico did not have the video updates at launch? Why not optimize then??
By the way Seb. Your first pronunciation of preference was correct and your English is incredible. You speak better English than a lot of English people I know!
Aww, thanks!! :)
Strangely I preferred the Pico 4 colours anyway as I would opt for the better resolution and I have the Pico 4 and love it
Can I stream steam games to the Pico using only virtual desktop or do I have to install pico software on my PC as well?
I mean when it makes sense that you could turn down the brightness and people for or can you adjust the contrast in it to make it better or do you have no choice as for the settings but I do believe those are minor issues that they will fix with updates
Can you increase the saturation on the Pico4?
can i use the pico 4 for architecture visualization ? and also it will comes with wire connect?
Pico 4 looked more natural
The shadows on the pico 4 look to bright, in my opinion. Is there a way to lower the brightness in the shadows?
Great job đ
It is definitely the red vibrancy where the Pico suffers in comparison. I went for the Pico and an Rtx 4090 rather the quest pro and have zero regrets.
How's the wireless compression? Is it that noticeable? If the Pico 4 had DP I would 100% buy it.
To be honest I don't really notice it using virtual desktop on ultra. It is very good but I have never been one for getting too distracted with compression so it might depend on the user to an extent.
Doesn't say anything about the tracking on the Pico 4 which is not even the same league as the quest pro, yes they both look "great" price doesn't matter if you have a crap controller experience, and this is from someone who has both the pico 4 and the quest pro.
It seems weird to me that every time we say Pico 4 has a better resolution the video is clearly showing there is more detail on the Quest Pro side!
Examples:
1:44 on the right mountain there is a bit of extrusion and you can clearly see there is more information on the Quest Pro, while the Pico 4 looks washed out in the same exact area.
5:20 to 5:30 look at the detail on the tail of the creature, clearly more on Quest Pro
8:59 look at the cloth detail to the right of the mouse, a lot more detailed information on Quest Pro
I really dont understand why they talk about pico 4 better in resolution. Clearly quest pro seems better.
we are not seeing what hes seeing. pico 4 is brighter and the cameras dont like it and make it look overexposed
True stereo passthrough is the biggest reason why I got the Pro.
Great comparison, thanks! Please also add timestamps to your videos. :)
How did you get to play lone echo 2 on the pico 4.I thought it was Quest 2 exclusive.
Can't wait for the Quest 3, gonna be lit
It's likely going to be a worse Quest Pro.
It would exactly be the pico4 with a better processor and worse headstrap that you have to buy
I'm a photographer and I think the Pico 4 colours are more realistic, like a full frame camera. Whereas the Quest Pro has the saturated smartphone look that people have become more used to these days.
The contrast and black levels on the Quest Pro seem to be better though.
pico looks much better, where there should be a shadow there is a shadow, not a black hole. Sharp sun and a shadow on the rocks that makes it impossible to see the shape of the rock is definitely not ... a shadow under a rag in the middle of the stage in the mos also a black hole like under a bench ...
Definitely Pico, if you set the pico and darken it, the colors would probably be more vivid.
moss 2 honestly looks like its being rendered differently on the quest pro to the pico 4, maybe because of the pros better newer better chip this game has some graphical settings enabled/ turned up vs the pico 4?
Well then sorry, but QPro seems to have just broken colors and u see this best in the case of Lone Echo, Olivia has orange suit, not almost reddish, u see it in every promotional image and video, u see it playing on other headsets also on OLED with perfect darks in old rift, it should be orange the way it is on pico and every promotional media of this game.
I have a feeling that they would be both better after some tweaking, pico having less bright in the bright areas and Qpro less dark in the dark areas.
To me, the Pico is significantly better
Can you not make color and contrast adjustments in the settings ?
I just tried a Quest 2, and my first reaction was: "Oh, man...screendoors or not screendoors, I want to go back to my Quest 1. Oled is oled, and I will wait until the next standalone with oled screen is coming out. I was always disappointed by the screendoor effect, but now that I seen the lcd quest 2...I fall in love the second time with my quest 1. Now I understand how important colors are.
That's true, I sold my Quest 2 after one month or so bcs of the LCD colors that were meh and also the 3D effect felt magicless and not as awesome and convincing as it was on Quest 1...and also the FOV of Quest 2 was so bad small and unimmersive..but I did like the super clear image it had compared to my Quest 1..I just wish Pico 4 had micro OLED display but I guess it still worth it (I noticed that at least Pico 4 does not have the blue tint like this of Quest 2..so that's something), so I am about to buy Pico 4...also bcs of how balanced and comfortable it is according to ppl who tried it.
I had a Q1 and now a Q2 and QP (still not sure if keeping it). The screen door is way more on the Q1 and all three have LCD. Perhaps I misunderstood. BTW, screen door is way worse on OLED due to about 1/3 of the pixel diodes being off at one time. You need about 30% more resolution on OLED to offest compared to LCD.
@@rushmore3927 " and all three have LCD". The Q1 has OLED, but you are right, the screen-door is the worst on the Q1. I think, I will buy a Pico 4 for now and wait after for a next-gen standalone OLED headset.
Can you calibrate the colors of the pico to have more saturation like the quest?
I ordered a quest pro yesterday but damn this pico 4 thing is amazing
Did you connect a USB for the VD? I experienced a super laggy situation on the pico 4 via wifi
Nope, I was using wifi.
Off topic question do you have a video on cable management for the HP Reverb G2 and suggested products?
pico 4 colours are more natural than Q pro.
IRL this "red shift" coloring in the Q pro just DON'T EXIST.
Colours are just NOT saturated like this irl.
Just look outside and compare.
In lone echo , if you watch carefully the right arm of the character at 9:54 , you can see that all the details in the black area are NOT visible in the Q pro, also the shoulder is far more detailled in the pico 4 , we can see all the carvings on the right blue shoulder cover, and look at the little badge on the chest , the round one , you can see that the circle arc on top of the rocket is more long than the one on the Q pro image.
All is too dark , the Q pro lacks contrast in comparison to the Pico 4 : Pico 4 wins for colors and resolution, despite what you say sebastian !
Especially in lone echo it looks like with the Q pro the contrast and vibrancy are far too high. Indeed losing details as a result.
But that could be as the maker of the game intended it to be. And the colors could be how they intended it to be.
And the unnatural colors in the canyon could also be someone intended it to be. Many people like too much contrast and vibrancy. (as all TVs in a shop also always have far too much of both and you have to reset them to a normal setting at home)
So I had a look at the lone echo trailer on a color calibrated screen. And then it becomes very obvious that the Pico4 is very close to the contrast and colors as visible in the trailer and the Q pro is way off.
So yes, I agree with you. Pico4 wins in that regard.
@@marcdevries9027 Most people have "bad color appreciating education" just because of what you said about TV screens in shops.
Just like they have the problem with taste because of eating over sugar made aliments like pizzas for example.^^
Jeepers, if the P4 reflects natural colors, it's a washed out world indeed!
i dont know how the straming works with the pico BUT as a video editor it seems like the desktop app is just lowering the contrast while encoding or something coz for it me its like i can save the pico video by adding a bit of contrast but cant bring back the shadows on the pro . NOT sure tho it might be just a bad LCD . if you could do an A/B without streaming like find an app that will work nativly on both and try that . that should be clearer .
Yeah i noticed the same, u can fix the pico image if u change some picture settings, but u wont be able to do the same with pro and u wont fix the colors.
for me the pico 4 is bette because the colors are still nice and you see every color and it is brighter than the quest pro and they are vibrant on pico while being so dark and reddish on the quest pro
So they both look amazing, and it's down to personal choice. Hmmm... Which do I choose, the the $400 unit or the $1500 unit? I'm kidding, obviously I have the Pico 4 and the PCVR via Virtual Desktop is easily the best experience available.
What I really want to see a comparison of, as at current the Pico 4 software is very limited when it comes to PCVR, and MRTV video comparison is based using Virtual Desktop in God-Mode to render at a higher resolution in the Pico 4. Is MRTV using default 1x resolution for the Quest Pro? If so then it is not really comparing Apples to Apples here.
Now having both HMD rendering and encoding/decoding at the same resolution will truely seperate the panels quality from both devices, and give a better Apples to Apples comparison.
As I mentioned in another comment, with a 4090, I'm running at 1.7x render resolution, ODT with max bit 500Mbps and 3616 Encode Resolution width. Comparing default to thise settings gives a very different experience, and is very playable with a 4090.
Which is better by using 4090 as default to upscaling to max?I'm currently thinking about getting a new wireless headset with pancake lenses, many people say Quest Pro is using much better panels,however the resolution is definitely a let down...
At the max settings, Quest Pro for image quality, colours, edge to edge charity is insane, with the best Lenses on the market right now.
Resolution isn't everything, as someone who has owned the Vive Pro 2, Vive Focus 3 and HP Reverb G2, commented on my forum post, saying how the Quest Pro is far superior in image quality and clarity.
Now taking it a step further you can run 1.4x pixel density on top of 500Mbps bit rate, 1.7x render resolution, and max out MSFS, getting your 4090 GPU usage to almost 100%, but you will be playing at around 35FPS, but this is god tier in clarity,
I have a video on my channel at 1.4x render, and in one of the comments is a link to a forum where I have posted images at 1.7x render maxed setting.
@@tgpips1128 Thx for that quite detailed explaination, I like the sleek looking of Quest Pro as well.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4s You're most welcomed. Just don't expect the Quest home environments to look any better than the Quest 2, as they are low res/textures. PCVR is where tis really shows off the clarity until more native apps support the Quest Pro. We may even get 120Hz in a future update like with the Quest 2...
I'll be posting more videos on my channel soon, but even then, it does't really show off how good the lenses and panels are.
Sir you have done a good job
I like picture clarity and color on oculus pro
9:56 - I admit that in this game (only) the colors of the Pro does look better than Pico 4 but it comes with the cost of losing details which can be seen on the Pico 4 ...due to how overly dark the shadowy parts are on the Pro..I still tend to like the Pico 4 better for this reason (higher res of Pico 4 is also a good thing and with a much cheaper cost compared to the incredibly expensive Pro)
I like you guys, and here probably ppl will think that I am a Meta fanboy without even know if I got a Quest or not, but when you do this kind of comparison I am just disappointed... I do undertand that for a lot of ppl the price tag on the Pro was too much, overprice or hard to justify, but when compare two product we need to put this thing aside...
Saying something like "visually is better but 3 times better?" like if the 2 product are equal in hardware and the only difference is in visual. Quest Pro has a bunch of features missing in the Pico, off course the price is higher... you don't pay 3 times the price only for the visual, you pay for eye tracking, new chipset, face tracking, probably the best controller in the market, double camera for passthrough (even if it's actually not the best), double audio jack when Pico doesn't even have one.
I don't like when ppl just minimize the good thing of one product and increase the perception of the second one... in this comparison there is no match to be honest, the visual in the Pro are better and not for just a bit, it's like compare on OLED with a standard LCD, the LCD can be very good, and Pico in very good, but the difference is noticiable.... the contrast, black and vibrance of the colors are one step ahead in the Quest, the Pico is good thanks to the higher resolution, but all the color are wash out big time, why saying during the Pico part "it's amazing, fantastic, look at the quality" and with the Pro "yes, it's good, better, but are both amazing, are both very good" like to enphasise that they are equal, that one is amazing and the other one "good too" when is way better in any way... it doesn't make any sense to me.
and to be precise, if someone like more the visual in the Pico is perfectly fine, but on a simple visual comparison with data like color accuracy, contrast, black level the Pro is just way better
It's really hard to compare because of the price gap.
If meta put a real consumer price tag maybe like $600 i'm sure most would prefer the PRO, their in/out tracking is top notch in my option. Like everyone else, I can't wait for the Quest 3, I hope they work on a Bigger FOV , something like a Index or bigger. I just don't think even spending $500 to upgrade to the Pico over my Quest 2 is worth it. For what? higher res, different lens, a little of this and that. Next year hopefully is a good VR headset year.
So, u still getting quest 3?
Pico 4 is pretty amazing. Wish I had the pico pro
We also have to remember that the Quest Pro comes with the next generation of controllers which are a part of the price. But then again you have to pay for the VR cover attachment for the Quest Pro. The current VR market is a mess. I'm surprised meta is the only one making concrete steps for better controllers.
As a person who owns both the pico 4 and quest pro, the pro outshines the pico by a fair margin in my opinion. The lenses are just a lot better in the pro. To be fair the pico does look great and is not really priced in the same league. If visuals are the only factor and don't want to spend a lot than the pico is great. However there definitely is a market for the pro as it outshines pretty much any other headset as an overall package.
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Thanks for your honest opinions Dave. I agree the Quest Pro is pretty hard to beat as an overall package. I luv my QP/rtx3090 for wireless PCVR using Air Link (which works and looks better to me than VD). I think that the results with the QP could have looked a lot better using Air Link or Link but I appreciate that this would have been a big job to do. My main complaint is that I think the Pico 4 is being a little over-sold to the public right now by a few CZcamsrs. However, I guess that this is better than over-selling much more expensive headsets like the QP and Vario Aero, and expensive GPU's like the rtx4090 lol! Cheers mate.
Please compare Phantom Covert Ops.
Well, after actually trying my Pico 4 screen I can tell it is better than Quest 2 at least (no idea about Quest Pro, never tried, never will, too expensive), the colors on Quest 2 are duller and has less 3D depth compared to Pico 4 screen which has more vivid colors (which is almost like OLED).
Thats because of the lens, you like 99% of people are allergic to Fresnel lenses that used almost everywhere [except pico 4]
Fresnel is sharp dead center but blurry everywhere else and if you cant find the sweet spot [every face is different] than you cant see shharp at all
If you read text with your eyes, its blutrty outside center
also you can seee the Fresnel rings on glass [they visible in this video]
Pico 4 doesn't have any of these issues, its sharp edge to edge, it uses different lenses, they may transfer less light, but they sharp, also PSVR1 used them and thats why it was OK experience, PSVR2 move to Fresnel and we have tons of YT people complaining that its blurry, hard to find sweet spot and not sharp
@@NoBodysGamer Yeah I know, the Pico 4's display and lenses are not perfect for me tho, it does have an invisible wave effect that can sometimes be seen (thankfully most of the time it is not visible in videos and such) but it is visible in the P4 home environment, also there is a serious aliasing issue with texts/lines for me in my P4 (esepcially with small text) and so the text is kind of vibrating in a frustrating way that makes it look less sharp (it looks sharp one second at certain position and then it looks not so shrap and clear the second after at another position of movement of the head), but these issues are not always there and then the VR experience is pretty awesome in general, it varies and depends on the content a lot, some experiences and 180 3D videos for example were flawless and were making me shocked at how amazing and incredible they looked ! even surpassing my Quest 1 experience which has OLED display.
@@21EC hmm, what you described the text issues is the issues i always had with Fresnel lenses and the reason im looking for a device with pancake lenses, it should be dead sharp no mater where you look, the text should be readable.
So its sounds strange that you have the same artifacts i have with Fresnel lenses
@@NoBodysGamer I don't know if it's an hardware problem or just software, it acts like a software aliasing problem but I am not 100% sure about that.
If you use simple realistic reshade in each game, put the saturation and contrast up, itâll get close to pro colors.
what do you use to reshade?
quest pro saturation more vivid colours yes but loses a lot of detail that the pico 4 does not. Also on both i see compression artifacts?
I have both, the Pro looks much better, not only for the brightness, colors and contrast but because of the lenses they are far superior I've never seen something like that in a VR headset and I was originally more hyped for the Pico 4 their lenses are better than any fresnel headset, but honestly it can't compete with the Pro. I'm not a Meta fan. It looks better with Airlink than with virtual desktop. But it is much more expensive.
Interesting that you claim that the lenses of the Pro are superior, because this video clearly shows that the lenses of the Pico4 are far superior.
I am assuming you meant, in person, right?
Are you deleting my answer?
Trust no one, trust no video, just trust your eyes. My eyes tell me that they are far superior
@xaloc I figured that's what you meant. My PICO 4 is definitely great for its price but I can't imagine it being better than the PRO. I am not willing to spend that amount for one but I get why someone would.
@@lawnmovr why would I want to delete your answer????
I just try to understand why you say the QP is superior when the camera in this review shows differently. So is the through-the-lens comparison done is this review flawed in some way?
These are both great looking videos of both HMDs. My point is how long can you experience VR in these headsets? , so what I googled was the Quest Pro . Meta says battery would last 2 hours. Not said was it takes 2 hours to recharge it again no option to add a 3rd party battery for longer run times. The Pico4 Pro also has a built in battery as far as I know , no 3rd party battery add on also. I googled Pico4 Pro it's said to last 2 to 3 hours but it has fast charging the batteries are split so it charges 2 batteries together that in turn charges up much faster then the Quest Pro. Both headsets can't be worn for long periods of time. Where I have worn my Rift CV1 for up to 4-5 hours easily. My Quest 2 for up to 3 hours with the additional battery from the BoboVR M2 Pro. I guess new VR headsets aren't made to last as long as the PC VR head sets are these days.
Well i don't know a lot of people who enjoy wearing the quest 2 more than 1 or 2 hour ^^, i personnaly never play more than 2 hour in VR
Pico 4 is the first headset I can wear for over two hours comfortably and with one 5000mA powerbank on the charger and the other between the strap of HMD I can use it all day if I wanted too...
This is hard work,(for me) my pico 4 is perfect for Steam but i cant make it work on my Microsoft store msfs 2020 so i bought the quest pro to do it pancake style. Its not that much better for msfs than quest 2 so maybe return, i dunno.... I dont notice screen door on the pro but thats probably my eyes but colours! Wow! Definitely more popping than Pico 4. I want to see what colour the Horseshoe bend is really to see who got it right. Love your vids :)
Thank you! So glad to hear that!
For the Quest Pro I would push the gamma to 1.2.
Textures look way better and more detailed in the quest pro IMO. Colors in the pico 4 looks extremely washed out in comparison. How does the G2 compare?
Having owned both the Pico 4 (still have it) and the Quest Pro (returned). I can say that the QP is simply not worth the money. The panels and lenses are excellent. In fact, they are the only thing really going for the QP, aside from the controllers. Everything else is half backed or downright doesn't work. Do a search for The Verge's review of the QP and that about sums it up. People buying the QP and keeping it because it's great for gaming are wasting money. The Pico 4, although optically not as good - there is some distortion, but only a little and the panels are a bit washed out and not as bright. However, everything else is really very good. PCVR on the Pico 4 is fabulous.
Money i subjective but I really don't think the Pro is even that expensive relative to any other premium headset. For the Pro to be worthwhile you definitely need to have a genuine usecase for most of its features. I have equal need for a standalone headset and PCVR gaming headset and previously have spent well over thousand pounds completing my VR experience with the last two headset generations.
It cost me ÂŁ1000 for a Quest 1 fully kitted out and a Rift S in 2019, and ÂŁ1250 for a fully kitted out Quest 2 and Reverb Get in 2022/21.
This costs only ÂŁ250 more than my Quest 2 and G2 combined and is sizeable upgrade over both, as well as also offering a slew of entirely new, expensive hardware features such as eye tracking, face tracking and mixed reality capabilities.
There is nothing else on the market that comes to close this feature set at the price.
@@kevinbrook7033 Indeed. Previously, I've owned the Index and the prior version of the Quest, Vive and Rift S. I bought the QP with a view of using this for work. Given it's being promoted and designed primarily as a business headset. Yet, aside from the optics which are superb and the controllers which are great, the business use case of the QP is very poor. It simply cannot be used as they claimed. I've done various reviews on this. Yes it's great for PCVR, but it isn't that comfortable and the Index competes so well on the PCVR front, if you already have it set up. Other than that, you're paying for a Quest, with a chipset that is already out of date, with a resolutions that the Pico 4 beats and the PSVR2 also. I did like the QP, but I refuse to simply throw money at what is basically a dev kit, rather than a finished product.
@@BitsBytesBobs yes I do certainly understand your viewpoint, and I expect they will release a much better second version relatively soon. I do think in an absolute sense however this is the best all around VR headset you can buy right now, and that's enough for me.
@@BitsBytesBobs I've seen several people saying here that the optics of the QP are superb. What part of the optics do you then refer to? In the video here it is obvious that the Pico4 is a lot sharper when you look outside of the center. That is a known issue with many headsets and quite noticable. So I wonder what part of the QP optics is so great that it overcomes that issue and makes you prefer the QP optics?
@@marcdevries9027 there is far more to the optical stack than resolution alone. If you want a deep dive technical talk on everything that goes into making a great quality VR visual experience I highly recommend searching out Lukas S. / Wolta's channel and his two recent videos on why the Quest Pro is the best headset for DCS, and his review of the Varjo Aero, and how he ended up preferring the Quest Pro even over that headset. He's a digital graphics professional specialising in VR and research and can break down advanced concepts such as stereoscopy and stereopsis, colour shift and panel technology at a level beyond what you get in typical CZcamsr reviews.
He can explain these concepts far better than I can but in short, the Pro's lenses are the best available for edge to edge clarity, focus across the whole visual field, no mura, correct stereoscpoy and 3D depth perception. The panels have quantum dot technology that allows for much higher dynamic range and contrasts, plus local dimming (not yet full enabled however) and the displays are one of the brightest on the market, I think only the Aero's is higher.
I've had 7 VR headsets including the Vive Pro 2 which cost me ÂŁ1400 and even with 2448 x 2448 per eye resolution and a native display looks terrible next to the Quest Pro for high end PCVR.
Highly recommend you check Lukas channel and watch those two videos if you actually want a technical analysis. If you enjoy Carmack talks you'll enjoy Lukas' deep dive style videos.
I feel like somewhere in between would be perfect: Pico 4 with a touch more saturation and stronger contrast or Quest pro with brighter overall image and slightly more natural colour.
The Quest Pro has much brighter panels than the Pico.
the qp seems to look better over all to me. the contrast to me is important. the Pico looks to washed out like the brightness is too high or something
Ive had my pico 4 for a while now and i can tell you the colours are nowere near washed out on it...
Agreed. The P4 is truly ignorance is bliss. It looks okay until compared to the QP.
Would love to see FOV comparison with Quest 2.
Pico is about 10% more, moving closer to the lenses with modded facemask it's even 20% more....
Pico 4 is clearer and higher res, Quest Pro's local dimming provides better contrast.
Will people in the US be able to actually buy a Pico 4 anytime soon, before it becomes outdated?, the Quest 3 will probably be out before the Pico 4 becomes available for people in the US, if that ever happens
The edge-to-edge quality on the Quest Pro is way better than the Pico 4. But the Pico 4 feels like it has a wider FOV. Has anyone compared the real FOV? How do they compare?
They don't and the Pico is blurry. This dude is cappin
but why do I like Pico 4's picture better based on what I see here?
Its G2 for me all the way. Still out does both of these headsets
The G2 is way behind the Quest Pro, I'd hate to have to go back to mine now. You don't realise until you try something better, but the G2 panels are dim, its colours muted, the edge to edge clarity abysmal and it's FOV tiny.
The Pro feels about 20 percent larger, has much better stereoscopy and steropsis meaning it has better depth perception and feels more 3D, the panels are noticeably brighter and the colours really vibrant. Most importantly, you get true edge to edge clarity across the entire visual field.
The pico side looks more natural to me
When the Pico 4 owner says natural it means washed out to everyone else.
đ I don't own a pico lmao.
@@void-citizen 9 times out of 10 it's Pico 4 owners who say it.
What name all game?
This is indeed re-upload, and i noticed you adjusted the comment on Quest Pro to more positive side. Earlier you say it's just too deep and darker. I am sure you checked it again and rethink your own review on both visuals again. That is fine, some prefer more deeper colors.
I know i can't adjust colors in VD for Pico4, but VD for Quest 2 has extra features to make more saturated colors. If you turn off extra features for Quest, then you have more fair compare.
Is it really disabled in VD for Quest Pro? You can't compare this way with features on, that is not good compare. It's by default on for Quest, i think.
Hi, I reshot the whole video because of a wrong setting in VD that made the Quest Pro colors too saturated. This video is fair now.
Was this a reupload?
I'm still using the Valve Index with 2.0 SS and it looks pretty good still so I'm not going to upgrade just yet.
With that said. Iiked the Quest pro much better in the comparison. Pico 4 looks blurry, less details and worse colors.
Would not say the quest pro is worth the price though. But if they were both the same price I'd go wothbthe quest pro
I think the Quest Pro is oversaturated and too contrasty to the point of being not so realistic or natural...on the other hand Pico 4 looks more normal and the colors are enough bright and saturated to look good, also not to mention how much better the image sharpness and clarity is on the Pico 4 compared to Quest Pro.. so Pico 4 is better.
I am trying to buy a Pico 4 i and I live in canada it keeps asking me for a VAT number
Do you try to buy via xrshop?
@@mixedrealityTV yes. on the page where you fill out your info it asks for ID-Vat number and wont let me go to check out with out a number put in the box
The quest pro is suffering greatly from black crush. I do not think it looks better personally. It almost feels like there is a bolor bit depth problem or something. I do think that the panel on the Quest Pro is better, but it feels like gamma is like 2.8 instead of 2.2 on the pro
How can someone in the US buy a pico4? What site offers it?
Amazon.co.uk
yea I hate the way the quest pro saturates the colors so much, it looks so fake. The pro has way better blacks but if I were to buy one even if the price is the same ill go with the Pico 4. the quest pro looks like its trying to fake that hdr look and ruining all the colors just so it look like it has high contrast
its the lenses and contrast/total optic package that are more important than the panel res of the pico or even say the varjo aero... both the pico and quest pro have pancakes...but the qpro are much better....even better than the aspherics on the varjo aero.....the quest pro has the best total (optic) and design package of all headsets on the market...its so good that i decided to sell the aero....strange you are not informing people about this....
It depends on what you use for stream cuz the virtual desktop has very intense colors...so thats why pico looks like that...
Both using VD. It's a fair comparison.
@@mixedrealityTV It's reasonable that you used VD for both. May have been fairer if you compared the QP using Air Link and proper Oculus desktop app and ODT settings. Anyway, not big deal since experienced Meta users already know this. Plus, I'd rather see you over-sell the inexpensive Pico 4 rather than over-sell the very expensive QP.
The Pico4 is sharper, as it does have quite a lot more pixels.
6.9 mio in the Meta Pro vs 9.33 mio in Pico4... the Pico4 PPI is very high as it also claims on the box with 1200 Pixels pr sq. inch, though in reality its 1193.
but that is not always a good thing, at least for stand-alone titles... that is often Quest2 ports and a headset with merely 3.5 mio pixels..
Its taxing to run so many pixels that the Pico4 have.
and it also seems Pico4 is subsidizzing their VR headsets quite a bit and taking a siginificant BOM-loss on each unit, but that aint new.. Meta also did that, and its been more the norm than not on consoles.
But bang for buck, the Pico4 is offered at a very attractive price.
but the software also needs to match, and that is Pico's weakest aspect, and it sadly seems that many of the Quest2 ports to Pico4, does leave a lot to be desired,, and that wont fly,...Pico needs to make sure the ports are optimised, so it aint these second hand ports.
IMO, its really not up for debate..Pico4 at 430 Euro vs Meta Pro that is 1850 Euro here in northern Europe as Meta is selling it officially here in Denmark.
but the Pico4 enhanced sharpness from all these extremely small pixels goes a long way, and it also more welldesigned then Meta pro.
not a fan of the bay cant tilt and the lightblocker leaves a lot to be desired.. here Pico4 does a better job and the nose insert, seems to do a good job..
also a huge con that the RGB passthrue on Meta Pro is so bad vs Pico4 that clearly have a camera with higher res that gives a sharper result... that simply doesnt add up on a headset from Meta that is 430% more expensive 1850 vs 430
they both use that tacky old approach of using the B/W tracking cameras to create a depth gimmcik.. really extreme that Meta asks these sums and then dropping the most important sensor ToF or Lidar that are crucial for AR/MR and which you can clearly see on tje teardown were planned and have a huge area that it should have been, but in the last minute the ditched it and used the tacky tracking camera approach... cover your main RGB camera and you can see it simply B&W tracking cameras the two at the sides.. was the same approach why you could see passthrue on fx Quest2 even though it hadnt a dedicated camera.
Meta Promoted their Pro as an AR&MR unit, and its simply to weak comming second on passthrue pixelfedelity vs a VR headset to 430.
also dont like Meta IPDs adjustment.. simply to loose... here the Pico4 seemed like overkill with motor-driven IPDs with 28 positions, but quite nice that its locked and dont move
Meta Pro way to expensive for a headset who's main hardware advantage is the eye/face tracking, but one can hope that Pico4 very strong offer.. will result in Meta doing their homework with Quest3. at the end of the day, its good for VR with Pico comming out this strong with their Pico4 headset, so we dont again see such an overpriced mess like Meta Pro, where they ditched the most expcted sensor (time of flight, ToF) Meta needs to step up to the plate with Quest3.
now write a deep analysis comparing pico 4 and quest 3 please
I'm trying to replace my monitors with the VR headset for the productivity and sadly both are not enough for the clear text. Pico feels like a 27" 1080p and quest2-pro like a 32" 1080p monitor. I would take a hit to my wallet with the bigger more expensive Crystal but the weight makes it a no go unfortunately. Even an expensive VR headset is cheaper than 3 decent monitors but saadly there are no good options yet.
Quest Pro is by far more color-accurate to what all of those scenes are *supposed* to look like. The Pico 4 has far too much yellow veneer over everything.
I'm enjoying my Pico 4. I went from an Oculus rift and the doubled resolution of the Pico 4 is great, but I wish it was even higher. I can make out the pixel structure. I have very good eyesight. 6kx6k panels or higher will be amazing. I don't feel like I need better FOV. Resolution is the limiting factor for me now.
The cable of the old first gen Rift was what caused me to stop playing a few years ago. Wireless iss a game changer. Using wifi and setting stream bitrate to 72 Mbps looks amazing already. AX wifi can easily handle 4x the pixels over wifi.
is there no software on the quest pro to step down the saturation? If its streamed from a pc cant you take it down using nvidia settings?
IMO it is not saturation, but comparing to a relatively washed out display of the P4.
quest pro really looks great.
Turn the brightness down on the Pico, it is that simple. The resolution is more important; as the name suggests VIRTUAL REALITY.
Sold my vive pro 2 for $900 bucks and purchased a used like new quest pro for $500 bucks and its amazing. Okay I have a i7 10th gen and rtx 3080 the link cable sucks! Purchased a 50 dollar one and the game kept freezing after 5 minutes also it would stutter alot! Purchased the oculus link cable for 80 at best buy and it was the same crap seeing some stuttering artifacts, and the game would freeze after 5min. Finally purchased a 100Foot CAT8 ethernet cable from Amazon 40 bucks. I ran it from my wifi router thats all the way across my house to my gaming pc and launched airlink and it sucked! Lag was terrible đȘ so I got Virtual Desktop and WOW blown away it works perfectly! You'd never know you were streaming the game it feels like its playing natively like pcvr not only that but its %100 better looking than my old Vive Pro 2. I love the clean image and everything looks crisp and colorful HLYX is a totally different looking game and the fact I can play without being tethered by a wire is awesome! I have Cox internet 500mbps speed wifi 5 router that supports gigablast. I see zero artifacts or compression using virtual desktop high setting bitrate at 150 the streaming codec I have set to Hevc 10 bit. I can walk to my living room far from my gaming pc and it still streams fine no lag and looks incredible. The only thing I dislike is the sound sucks and the docking station to charge everything bad design. Comfort is incredible no more pressure on my face only on tip of forhead but doesn't bother me at all.
I watch anime and movies on it looks amazing much clearer than the vive 2 was and much more enjoyable. I like that it has removable light blockers I dont use them that often I like the fact I feel connected to the outside world when I am watching a movie.
Anyone worried if the image is not going to be great you'll be blown away by the new pancake lens and just how good the local dimming and colors are on the quest pro. Okay I think I raved enough about this headset lol. You'll just have to take my word.
If you use it as a standalone its great but gaming performance still kinda sucks and if couse those ugly mobile graphics are trash. I haven't used AR yet but whatever. Also you get eye tracking and facial tracking kinda cool but I haven't tried it yet...
I also had the HP reverb g2 years ago thought it was trash windows vr sucks and the sweet spot sucks and the tracking. I really liked my vive pro 2 paired with index controllers it was awesome and looked the best and had a pretty good size sweet spot but was heavy couldn't play any fast paced games since the headset would slide around unless I tightent the shit out of it but that was uncomfortable after 30min to an hour I was worried the quest pro wasn't gonna look good but it looks miles better and the experience is better as well as the comfort. Thanks for reading.
It's fascinating to me how some people can think the Pico looks better than the Pro in any of these scenes, when it's clearly terribly washed out and lacks any contrast range. It's really just anti Meta talk.
If Sebastian had put up this same video and said the Pico's through the lens was the Quest Pro, and the Quest Pro through the lens was some new miniOLED display headset all the comments would be how great the blacks were and richer the colours compared to the washed out Pro.
The Pro's displays are vastly superior from a technological standpoint. They have Samsung's quantum dot technlogy for better contrast range and local dimming. To say the Pico's colours are better is demonstrably false and you won't find any serious reviewer or person who has both headsets say otherwise.
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It's interesting just looking at the thumbnail. I believe these are the actual through the lens shots of either headset as the contrast and brightness looks better in the Quest Pro but the resolution looks better in the Pico. As a picture looking at this thumbnail in CZcams I feel the Quest Pro is better visually, it's more striking but probably in reality the contrast won't be as important when you're immersed in the experience and you'll enjoy the higher resolution of the Pico more, anyway I guess we'll find out when this airs soon. â
I've not tried the Pico 4, but I have the Quest Pro and a Reverb G2 and had a Vive Pro 2 with 2448 x 2448 per eye. The Quest Pro's overall visuals are much better than both of those headsets despite the lower resolution. The overall visual experience is fantastic for PCVR. I'm only playing wired though, not using VD.