6.5 NEEDS-MORE | EC Tuner brake - no other upgrades
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I am a very average shooter I purchase two tuning breaks from Eric. One for my 6.5 creedmore and for my 338 Lapua. I did this same what I called walking it in with the tuner at 100 yards setting 9 on a Ruger precision rifle and easily had a 3/4 moa to a 1/2
took it to the range yesterday started at 600 and walked it all the way to 1250 and out of 10 shots I had 7 on the 12"x12 "plate the rest just off the plate hitting the 10'x 10' steel easily the best day of my life and its Erics turner in my mind is what did it. I don't know Eric from a hole in the wall it just works
Nice groups. Now take the tuner brake off and see how much the re-crowning of the barrel when you installed the tuner affected the results. Then we'll have a full data set(assuming we're ignoring any load development options).
Just curious how installing this would affect the crown of the barrel ?
@@kurtissmith4555 Re-crowned when threading the barrel for the EC tuner
@@kurtissmith4555 the barrel wasn’t threaded already. Erik said in the previous video that they threaded and recrowned the barrel to install the brake.
@@kurtissmith4555 They had to thread the barrel for the tuner/brake. When they did that they also re-crowned it.
Yeah too many variables going on at one time. Hard to figure where the improvements are Really coming from. Oh well very entertaining none the less!
Great job. I am really enjoying this series.
I have 3 of the EC tuners and they work as advertised. The best thing you can do for any gun
Looks like free floating and an EC tuner might be the magic spell to make any rifle shoot. Great series! I'm getting a tuner!
A few things that come to mind. 1) Erik needs to sell those polos! 2) The tuner allows the gun to shoot but it still doesn't fix the fact that the plain jane plastic stocks are uncomfortable to shoot. I have a few Browning's that have McMillan stocks and even they are uncomfortable. The older I get the more I will spend to a) be comfortable b) to have good clear glass! For what they do the EC Tuner is a steal.
Great results! I spent 500 rounds .22 today to check ec tuner on my Tikka T1x. Was able to print few 0.5 moa 5 shots groups at 100 yards! Just ordered prs brake for my 6.5 !
Update. I tried EC PRS tuner on my Tikka Tac A1 6.5 and happy with results. With same Hornady eld ammunition I reduced my groups from 0.5-0.6 avg and 0.45 best group to 0.4-0.5 with 0.3 best group. Also tried Sako ammo which I tried only once (20rds) without tuner and it was 0.75-0.9 and with tuner I shot 50 rounds and average was 0.5-0.6 with 0.43 best group. After I shot 50 rounds sako ammo, I turned tuner to position for hornady and shot last group 0.4’’ and it was perfect zero like before
Thanks Erik for your tuner! 😀
Looks like you have a pretty decent product there. Good job
Well this last F-Class Match my round count on my barrel reach 3056 (.308, 185gr Jugs, 2750fps). Will be ordering either a Bartlein or Brux barrel to replace it. Had never thought I would need to thread the muzzle, but must admit. I am impressed. Looks like will have to add a Tuner into the weight calculations. Thanks for sharing.
I have an EC Tuner on my Vudoo .22 and I’m getting Lapua Center X to shoot.11” groups @50yds. It just works.
We are loving our EC Tuner Brake.
👍👍👍👍👍👀😎
That's stacking them in there great job
Yes I love this series I've been waiting patiently LOL.. could you please please.... Do something with like a diamondback db10 308.... I was recently able to purchase one not to enthuse with the grouping and don't know where to begin to make affordable upgrades I've tried multiple ammunitions and I'm at about a 3 in 3.5 in usually at best MOA at 100 yards.. I may have just got a lemon I don't know
Can’t wait to get a black EC Tuner for my Bergara Ridge!
I may have to thread my 7mm hunting rifle and put your tuner on it, just amazing what it does
Great shoot’n !👍🏼
I'd like to see you add or make some cheap custom check rest on the factory stock to make it easier to shoot. This is a great series, thank you.
Thank you for sharing
I need more Needs-More!!!
I believe this video is a sneak peek to a "Eric Cortina Custom Rifle".
Lay something in front of the rifle on the ground too. Burlap sack anything. Cut down on dust. That's what I do. Just trying to help. Great vids!!!!
Dang.... it's too bad I'm not willing to give up the supressor. Those really are some amazing results. Now we just need a TBAC CB compatible tuner!
And yes. I'll comment this on every tuner video you make!
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Right? That's the first thing I thought of when I discovered tuners. Need one that will work with suppressors. Though, I guess you can use the older version that mounts directly to the barrel and doesn't interfere with the muzzle.
There is a company that makes tuners that work with a suppressor.
I do have one the Ec tuners and about to order a ec tuner break i like the one i have. I have the other on a rifle i use a suppressor on
good job
Pretty awesome to see how well the tuner brake works. Any thoughts about repeating with the Oryx?
Love mine on both rimfire and centerfire. Should be the EZ Tuner 😂
Subtle Flex! 😉 But I’m looking at buying one for my NeedMore too.
Definitely going to get some EC Tuner's coming for me and my girl's hunting rifles!🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
EC tuner works for sure
methodology of this test amazes me. If I decided to perform a test like this, first off it would be off bench with neo rest in front a seb rear bag in the rear. Not a tactical bipod and a pillow,. It's a shabby approach and should not be replicated.
Results!
Tuff job Jason #!!!
Agreed. I was sweating in the humidity. The suffering I endure for the science of shooting.
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Tuner works
Thanks for your proffesional opinion on this subject. I have a question about bullets. The 145 gr 7mm variety. I recently purchased a box of 50 and I always check a few weights and diameters from each box/lot prior to reloading new ammunition. In this box I noticed inconsistant weights on the first few I checked. That promted me to weigh each bullet in this box and I found the low weights to be appropriately 144.7 gr the high weights to be 146.6 gr and pretty much everything inbetween. I know my scale is not perfect but has always been very consistant. At what variations would the finished ammunitions reliability as a hunting round be affect by the inconsistant weights, if any?
Thanks,
Paul
Erik (or Jason), Have you ever found that the Ckye-Pod digging into the ground makes any difference when the soil is somewhat soft (effecting recoil ..even with what little recoil there is with the break)? Just wondering if putting something under the pod's feet (like a little plywood board) would make any difference (maybe even more consistently tighter groups)? The groups were very impressive anyhow but I'm curious about your thoughts on that (or if you've tried that and found it to be worse possibly). Great shooting Jason!
I think that is a personal preference thing. I tend to like it when the bipods dig into the ground.
Erik you made a believer out of me my 6.5 prc is shooting a 1/2 “ group now thanks so much
EC Tuner Break to the rescue.
Erik when's the next v2 video coming out? I'm foaming at the mouth for it
I just came out. Go to F-Class points series channel
@@ErikCortina awesome! I literally just saw that!
I'd think it really depends on what you want to use the rifle for. Out of the box it would have been fine for hunting out to probably200. The results are good, but I don't know if the money is justified.
Hey Mr Eric I wanted to see would you be able to make a ec tuner for a Remington model 700 bdl with a 22 inch barrel in a 280 cal
I like Mr. Cortina and everything but it's pretty obvious that the entire needs more series is just a sells pitch for his tuner brake.. with that being said I still want a tuner brake from him.
What is the difference between the regular tuner break and the benchrest one? Does one have more muzzle blast or noise than the other? TY
So would you then go out to 300 and run the same test? Seems like if you're under .3 moa at 100, you need to go out further to retest?
Put it in a oryx. I guess second shot will be faster but will it be more accurate?
Designated 223EC?
First post question. Does the crown need to be into the first port, or back in the threads OK?
Either way works.
How you finding the 7x47 for recoil think you need a trigger cam to should every one what it’s like with and with out your brake
I hate to burst everybody bubble, Browning say 30 years ago came out with their tuning system called the Boss all work on the same principle they no longer offer it, why maybe because it did not work so good. Accuracy improvement getting away from wood, aluminum block bedding, improvement in barrel quality and stress relief, and ammo. Take super sniper rifle custom what five thousand, had the wiz kid barrel tuner but wait that ammo box, I bet you a fiddle made out of gold they had to use custom reloads to get it what they call to shoot half inch groups. My Remington 700 308 win Magpul with my light reloads will shoot half inch 3 shots groups, and like super sniper my nine shot in a one inch square, if I had a rest like the thousand yard shooters, it would do better. Everybody at hundred yards has floating cross hairs on a inch circle. Get a chassis or aluminum bedding block stock like magpul, Bell and Carison, MDT, H&S most have torque specs between 65-50 inch pounds, if you want to play with screws adjust the action screws torque down from the high five inch pounds at a time, I would no go below 50 that can change the harmonicas and (improve accuracy). Try Sako ammo, Norma ammo, Hornady ammo any thing but Winchester white box. Accuracy is just part of it, good stock ''hold zero'', cheap stocks do not, they flex action screws back out. Expand and contract. Take a letter Cortina address it to your self, say I have my finger stuck up you know what, keep to your self. LOL LOL LOL come on man that is funny. I suppose you would have to be born in the 60's to get that. Tony and Orlando and Dawn.
Are you okay? You really are not making much sense. Also Ill take me fiddle made of gold please. We have not shot anything but berger factory loads from those rifles.
Wouldn't it be better to shoot three per group and thus avoid possible errors of the shooter, ammunition, maybe the wind, whatever... Greetings to all!
What ended up being the final build sheet for the 6.5 Needmore rifles?
You should trade the factory stocks to see why the one was bad.
So are the PRS tuners on backorder?
Will a tuner brake help 223, 22-250 calibers? Will you offer them in 1/2 threads ?
Like the BB machine guns at the fair........just walk it across the target and remove more.....easy!!
What is the trigger setup on the LabRadar?
Does the tuner have any effect on ES?
Question for people with knowledge. Huwa Oryx 1500 6.5 Creedmoor off the shelf for 1050$ I have little budget however would like to try shooting at distance
Worth buying???
That brake is 350 here in Canada. Yikes
where at?
How much time was allowed to cool the barrel between groups ?
Not much time at all.
@@ilikepiepls i have the same tuner brake and would like to perform this test. 2 minutes in between groups ? 5 minutes? 30 seconds ?
I would like to have one but I'm not rich but gunna try and save up for one it's 240.00 on your website for your tuner brake but up in canada 360.00 to 340.00 I saw one going for 500.00 damn wish you could ship to Canada and but I'm going to save up for one looks so worth the money 💰
Totally unrelated.. Can I get the reamer print for your 6x47?
Hey Erik, will Jason consider competing in F-Open one day?
He should come to the dark side and shoot FTR! :)
I have competed in F-Open. I shot in the Texas State Long Range Championship.
@@ilikepiepls Nice. With your 308?
@@everythingphil9376 nope with the purple people eater. Eriks purple rifle.
@@ilikepiepls 👍 Hope you document your next outing. That'd be great to watch.
Now make a suppressor version
Eric I have to ask, how come you are getting results almost as good as a stock set up? My tikka 6.5 is bone stock and easily bests your results at 100m. What am I missing?
You’re probably a better shooter than we are? 🤷♂️
Ok, seriously. It’s not how they shoot now that matters, it’s how they shot before compared to now that you should focus on.
If you have an out of the box rifle that consistently shoots under 1/2 MOA, you got a good one.
@@ErikCortina I am not saying he is a better shot, what I am saying is that at 100m his groups are better and it is a stock rifle. I then thought perhaps ,as you said he got a good one, but upon asking others with the same brand of rifle they all have stated that the groups he has gotten are the norm at 100m.. He even has the very first shot target with that rifle in his locker, after a 100m zero he managed a cloverleaf. In any even I think what you are doing is awesome!
You are talking about that guy at the Base Borden range right? He is amazing but you have a point, his rifle is bone stock and he gets great groups.
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Not much grass for those cows to eat. You need some rain out there.
So now the control rifle is going up against a fully customized rifle that shoots 1 hole. Where's the custom 700. And...when is the control rifle going up for sale? ;-)
Your last comment is a great way for youtube to shut down the channel smh
I believe if I had to rely on a tuner I’d quit
How many yards is that shot at ?
100
@@ilikepiepls , I have a test for you. Go back and find the load with the very best extream spread. Then vary meticulously load your ammo. Then do your break/tunner test but at distance.
@@ilikepiepls , actually try it at various distances. The consistent muzzle velocities should prove that the dial in from various distances are more accurate . It will also show that you have consistent muzzle velocity and its tuned to the node of the barrel. Both the cumbustion node, as well barrel node turned to the same timing rather than a good group at one distance but the cumbustion ES is wide. Do you get the point of the test ?
@@joeldubose5762 I understand the point of the test. Since this is factory ammunition the only tuning is with the tuner brake. Which will tune the harmonics of the barrel. If this was handloads we would have done a proper load development where combustion and harmonics would be tuned to the rifle. Thank you for the suggestion.
Need more cheap rifle did they call it a SPS and no floor plate. it looks like Remington no long making ADL I can't find any, the SPS are the new ADL I was looking at my sps varmint heavy barrel with my reading glasses on, the lug that rides on the rail on the right side back side look like it was broken off. I looked at my magpul 5R had the same thing but much smaller. The SPS looking at the back side of the lug it was noticeable
causing a lack of surfaces on the lug. All my other 700 lug that rides the rail are uniform only take away a tiny part of the lug back surface. old 700 vs New 700 I guess opening up the back of the lug grove on the bolt, may help with hangs operating the bolt. The round back of the chamber was rough. No more SPS for me only 5R cerakoted upper end rifles. The machining and fit is much better than the SPS good by ADL never had or wanted one. Now the 700 police are special now 24'' barrel H&S stocks, threaded and said to have faster lock time, Not blue printed but more attention paid in the making. Blue printing a rife, I guess if it was way out of specs, MOA or close waste of money. You may not see the 700 police on civilian market again. The Savage 10T-SR put in a chassis shows good accuracy but seem to have injection problems. And are cheaper than a 700. I had 3 in the 90's accuracy not so good. Needed red neck hand lapping poor hot lead slug in the barrel attach a rod add
valve grinding compound and work it back and forth trying to find a tight spot. I red neck new SPS barrels with J&B cleaner some on a dry patch
20-30 strokes then clean with shooters Choice saves ammo on break in. And the barrel shines like a custom barrel. When my match grade barrels get copper up I use J&B it is lightly Abrasive not near as abrasive as bullet going down the barrel at 60,000 psi. Cleaning out all the copper and then will shoot badly say 10-15 rounds to copper up the barrel again. Funny my 5R rifle copper up quickly. My SPS not so much.
Copper is not your enemy not until your groups start opening up say around 200 or more rounds. My 700 police keeps dark copper streaks and
shoots great. I read a story of a badly pitted barrel as long it had a copper build up shot lights out.
What happened to the barndo channel
Pretty sweet, all anyone needs is a $500 rifle and a $200 EC tuner-brake...................................
Plus threaded barrel and re crown job! With optics over $1500😭
Am I seeing typos or is this segment with Jason another run at jokes not yet explained….
Oh…Jason doesn’t know?
Im not sure what you are referring to, so yeah youre right I dont know.
sooo.. he says needsmore, i say joakleys
Not tuner, its shooter
Looked more like this test proved it does nothing
Do you think you can afford to buy a wind screen for your camera?🙄