Eric, thank you very much for all your videos, I have learn so much with you, my shooting have improved a lot this Summer because of your amazing lessons ! Take care.
Finally installed mine yesterday. Awesome device! Now I need to buy at least 2 more. This addition completely changed my stock hunting sticks into tack drivers. Appreciate it EC!
I had a Winchester Model 70 Stainless with B.O.S.S. system back in the day (in .270 Winchester). Was the most accurate rifle I've ever owned when the B.O.S.S. was set correctly.
Excellent I had my own version on the Rifle I shot with For a Long time... I had to Sell it life throwing some Curve balls my way... but its truly a Tuner I like how you Explain it all and if persons who are Paying attention to what you are Saying Eric and offering here it can change there Grouping on the Targets A lot And you are Absolutely correct on enabling them to even shoot better with Factory Loads... another tip on shooting Factory loads check the Projectiles for any defects and buy the factory loaded in the Same lot numbers matching on the boxes
I'm making a move from hunting into competition shooting, and am building my very first dedicated rifle for this pursuit. I'm very thankful I found this channel (and am now UN-learning a lot of what I thought I knew!!). As sure as God made the earth and little fishes I want one of these for my rifle!! 👍
Airgun USA, the Tuner was invented by Colonel Paul Wilbur Klipsch while in the Army during and after the Second World War. Paul had the original patent and the original is possessed by the Paul Wilbur Klipsch Museum in Hope, Arkansas. This is the same Paul Wilbur Klipsch who invented the Klipschorn in 1947 and other Klipsch Speakers. The Klipschorn is the worlds longest continuously made speaker and brand new ones are still available today.
@@cmrhonda I drove by the Klipsch factory in the early 80s when visiting Hope, AR. I knew about the speakers but had no Idea of the history or person behind the name. Thanks for sharing!
I have an A-Bolt II in .243 with the BOSS system on it. Absolutely still the most accurate rifle that I’ve owned. I wonder what caused Browning to drop it as an offering. I’m not even gonna go into to how many amazing groups that I’ve shot using plain Blue Box Federal ammo with that gun. Can’t believe they dropped it as an option. EDIT: Browning discontinued the BOSS after they were sued by several gun owners for hearing loss. The BOSS initially was only offered with a muzzle brake which the defendants claimed damaged their hearing. They offered a non ported model but when FN took control of Browning they canceled it altogether.
I have a Browning .223 with BOSS. I also have a non-ported muzzle brake. Back in the 1990's most people didn't take the time to "calibrate" their BOSS for their barrel and bullet combination. The BOSS does work if one takes the time to calibrate it......
Erik can you do a vid on weight distribution on the rifle, recoil handing, and rest setup, lube on bags, free recoil, do's and don'ts of shooting a rifle in the bags or rest, gun handling is a big part of shooting I know you touched a lot of points when you gave the lesson..thanks have a good xmas
I don't know why someone hasn't done this sooner...and it's a shame that Winchester/Browning quit making the BOSS rifles. Shooters (mainly hunters I guess) just didn't understand the benefit. I have had a Winchester Model 70 Stainless with the BOSS system for about 20 years. When I bought the rifle, I started shooting 150 gr Nosler BT with it. I dialed the BOSS to their recommended setting and shot a .5" group at 100 yards...and it has stayed right there ever since. To this day, it is still the best shooting gun I have ever owned. I take it to the range before the season starts just to check it. While other guys are shooting all over the place, I take three shots and go get my target. One time I had to wait for a couple other guys to finish up shooting before the range was clear and we could go get our targets. One of them had shot at least 20-30 times. When I pulled my target stand out of the ground, he said "are you done already?". I said "yep" and showed him my target. He said "man, are you a sniper or something". LOL! Anyway...I may have to try one of these on another gun. (Don't need it on that one.)
Much of the shooting world revolves around Walmart bubbas. Hopefully more women & minorities, along with more educated urban & suburban types, will change that dynamic.
Hey Eric nice work! I've been messing around with this concept on one of my prs rifles (actually crps a Canadian long range rimfire comp) to see if its works/is worth it. Then MPA posted a video of the tuner (first time I seen this) and said who made them. I'm thinking whoa that's the barno guy I watch! Cheers man shoot straight! Oh I'm still not sure on the self leveling caulking idea for the bottom of the wall but I don't see it leaking lol!
Hi Erik-- Have a stock savage HB bolt gun. No threads. Could I machine a threaded sleeve that I could shrink fit on the end of the barrel-- and then make an internally threaded weight to screw onto the shrunk-on sleeve ? Do you think that would work as a tuner ? (so I dont have to remove the barrel out of the receiver--)
Hi Erik, I recently picked up a Winchester Model 70 in 7mm Rem. Mag. with the B.O.S.S. system (as another comment author mentioned having.) I was wondering if it would really help much with my harmonics. I was already looking forward to playing around with it to see what I could accomplish. Now, I'm REALLY excited about getting it out on the range. Thanks for the video.
Hello Erik, Big hello from across the pond in Ireland. I hope you can answer my question: I love to hunt with a moderator on my barrel, however I would love to use your tuner is there in anyway you could produce a tuner that can be fitted so the moderator could also be used? Basically have a threaded section from the tuner to allow the moderator to be fitted instead of a brake. Really look forward to your reply and I hope you understand my request. Kindest regards Iain
How much weight is on the E C tuner I know you said it was made of stainless steel but the weight in the front that you're adjusting is that heavier or is the same like a thick piece of stainless steel drills and tab
I have a Browning A-Bolt with the B.O.S.S. tuner in .270 rem. Same principle as the EC Tuner. My rifle isa 3/8 moa shooter with quality rounds. The best part, is instead of tuning a handload to the rifle, and sacrificing velocity, you can load the round as hot as you dare, and tune the rifle to the handload.
sparro birdman my uncle in law has one in 325 wsm that he doesn’t use anymore. Hoping I can talk him into trading it for something or another one of these days.
Vary good info.. this is interesting because when i put a suppressor on my 17wsm the groups move down and left 3 inches and nearly double in size its frustrating
Eric it's been a quite a few years since I shot f class down in Donna Texas. I remember you weren't allowed to have anything on your rifle at the end of it no muzzle brakes tuna brakes or suppressors and competition. In this video you're saying you're allowed to run a tune of brake on your competition rifle now or a tuner. Just curious.
Instead of tuning your load to barrel, it tunes your barrel to your cartridge. See, it goes on the *barrel* and is called a *tuner,* ergo it's a barrel tuner.
I looked it up on line. Barrel harmonics come into play here. The vibrations of a barrel affect the bullet. Like balancing a tire on a car with a wheel weight to stop vibration
@@marcosmota1094 It involves barrel harmonics. I calibrates the barrel to allow bullet travel from the muzzle at the at-rest position. As far as barrel harmonics, the barrel allows potential vibrations, and the cartridge induces vibrations. When they constructively or deconstructively meet in phase at specified barrel lengths, it's called a harmonic node, thus barrel harmonics. You adjust the interference by changing the powder charge (usually), and you can adjust the length to match the node by moving the tuner, which acts as a ballast that virtual "lengthens" the barrel. There's lots of different factors I'm not discussing but the general gist is: interference wave = powder charge, node length = tuner. In layman's terms, tuners are basically just a way of rigging the system so that the potential in the barrel correlates to a "longer" barrel. Could also express this in terms of a ballast (or as a shift in inflection points) but you get the point.
I don't expect the average hunter to know anything about this stuff. To them, good barrel + good stock + good action = good shooting gun. But it's not good enough in PRS, where shooters typically cut hunter's groups in half at the minimum, and one shot group at the max. To get a greater competitive edge requires gaining a more intuitive understanding of what's actually going on and one of the largest margins to gain (and most frustrating) is barrel harmonics.
Hi Erik, Can you brief explain how to clean and perform maintenance on the turner brake? I now taking it off every time I clean my trifle. I only preform dry nylon brushes to get red off carbon. I do not want to use Bore Tech Eliminator at all.
I use CLR. You can dip brake while still attached to rifle into a can full of CLR for about 10 minutes and wipe it off. After cleaning, dunk into another can with rubbing alcohol.
Outside of PRS with an exposed muzzle break, have you utilized the tuner with a suppressor? I'm assuming it would work just the same but I'd like some kind of feedback from someone that used a tuner with a suppressor before getting work done to a barrel. Thanks in advance for any info from anyone.
I have an older target Ruger mini 14 that shoots .223 only (says so on it) and has a harmonic tuner on the end. It looks like a suppressor it's so large. My question is: is this simply an older version of what you have developed Eric? I have hardly shot it because I didn't understand how to use it. Any response from anyone would be appreciated.
I just ordered one EC Tuner. One question! If I dont want the muzzle break could I just thread the tip of the barrel instead of cutting like 3 inches from the barrel tip ? Or do I really need to get the tuner in line with the barrel tip ?
Hi Eric, been watching your videos. You ask what we would like to see. 1. Got your tuner. 2. Will soon buy a ss barrel for lr in 6.5 Grendel SAAMI specs. I would like to see a video on how to proceed chambering the barrel? What reamer and so forth. Then, a second video, what to do/buy for reloading it. All the best grouping possible
Erik, on your web page it looks like the non-taper version will only go on a 1.25" barrel, and the tapered version minimum barrel size at the muzzle is 0.850" . Am I reading this correctly? Or can the tuner be installed on more sizes of barrels? I shoot F-class and would like to give it a try on my next barrel install. Thanks
Maybe the front weight is a heavy tungsten I don't know I would think of maybe a piece of tungsten like you but like you balance when you know your crank or something like that doing all the machine work to it so I don't know
Beach&BoardFan It’s possible. As you may know, I make barrel tuners, and when barrel is in tune, they shoot much better and accuracy widows are often wider. But as far as completely eliminating vibrations, idk. I would like to try one at some point.
Its obvious that a tuner break works. SO, why have these types of devices not been add to every rifle in every target shooting competition over the years?
I realize u are an expert ,& I'm not,,but i have to disagree with the tuner,, i want my rifle to shoot the "EXACT SAME" Everytime,, i would rather tune my reloads or my trigger pull weight than change the harmonics of my barrel,, just my opinion, i know ur a better shooter than most of us,, but I'm old school, if it ain't broke, then don't fix it, thank you for the interesting video....
That’s why a tuner is important, so that the rifle shoots the exact same every time. Tuner puts the barrel harmonics in a “happy” place, which ensures consistency.
@Lucifer exactly, the tuner is designed to dampen or kill harmonics, at 1000 meter your pulse will affect your shot, you are a Marine you know this already so the tuner dampens the harmonics caused by the firing the peice
I am struggling to understand the mechanical/physics concept behind this barrel tuner. I can understand the idea behind changing the harmonic resonance of a barrel but simply changing the position of said tuner doesnt seem to me to change anything physically with the barrel itself. Now if you added spring tension inside the tuner itself, you are changing potential saved energy which could in theory effect the weight and harmonics of the barrel but even then it would be a change so small that I doubt even a vacuum scale could detect its change in weight. Hmmm maybe an idea worth expanding upon. Some old military service rifles would have a small screw that would put more or less pressure on the barrel affecting barrel harmonics, however this was achieved via pressure on the barrel via the stock. Just thinking out loud.
tbone martinez Browning Arms described their system as a way to change the timing of the barrel harmonics They claimed that you could change the timing of when the barrel harmonics were at their highest peaks in order for the bullet to leave the barrel when the barrel was at it’s most stable point. That’s probably a poor attempt on my part to describe it but I can tell you that it worked wonderfully in a factory rifle that you wanted to have great accuracy shooting different weight bullets. In a .243 like mine that’s a great thing because a lot of .243 guns will shoot lights out with light bullets but as the bullet weights get up to 100gr the accuracy begins to decrease. Before the BOSS was introduced, if you had a .243 that was like that the on,y option that you had was to change twist rates in your barrel to stabilize the heavier bullets. The BOSS enabled you to get great accuracy with most all weight bullets. The only downside was that you had to put the time and ammo in to find where the sweet spots were Browning gave you suggested numerical starting points but you still had to fine tune it to your rifle.
The basic mechanical principle is that the barrel is a cantilever beam, and when struck it will vibrate at a given set of frequencies, like a tuning fork. If you mount a mass on the barrel, it will slow those frequencies. As you move the mass outwards, it will have more leverage over the barrel, and slow the frequencies even more.
@@ErikCortina Erik, I'd really like to see a video where you "tune" a factory match load and measure the improvement. I think it is especially relevant given that 1/2 MOA is generally "good enough" for practical events like PRS/NRL AND...your tuner allows for the use of a brake which is pretty much a must have for this discipline.
Eric, thank you very much for all your videos, I have learn so much with you, my shooting have improved a lot this Summer because of your amazing lessons ! Take care.
Finally installed mine yesterday. Awesome device! Now I need to buy at least 2 more. This addition completely changed my stock hunting sticks into tack drivers. Appreciate it EC!
I had a Winchester Model 70 Stainless with B.O.S.S. system back in the day (in .270 Winchester). Was the most accurate rifle I've ever owned when the B.O.S.S. was set correctly.
I have a browning bar 270 win with boss and i reload. I can shoot 5 in a quarter at 100 yards and i love it.
Exactly! Still have brownings in 7mm rem mag & 308 win with BOSS setup. All should have them.
Thank you for your quick service on my E C tunerbrake n thank you Jason for helping me dial it in YOU ARE BOTH ON TOP OF YOUR FIELD
Had a B.O.S.S. system on a browning .308 in the early 90's, loved it. wish I would have kept it.
Excellent I had my own version on the Rifle I shot with For a Long time... I had to Sell it life throwing some Curve balls my way... but its truly a Tuner I like how you Explain it all and if persons who are Paying attention to what you are Saying Eric and offering here it can change there Grouping on the Targets A lot And you are Absolutely correct on enabling them to even shoot better with Factory Loads... another tip on shooting Factory loads check the Projectiles for any defects and buy the factory loaded in the Same lot numbers matching on the boxes
I just ordered one for my new rim-x build. Very excited to try it!
Fantastic I will be ordering one when I get my rifle together, thanks
Saw you on Demo, watched two bideos... great gun info, and shooting
Man, this is a great idea. Love it.
P.s.s.s.s.,, i almost forgot to tell you that i enjoy all of your videos, and i hit the thumbs up button...thanx again...
I'm making a move from hunting into competition shooting, and am building my very first dedicated rifle for this pursuit. I'm very thankful I found this channel (and am now UN-learning a lot of what I thought I knew!!). As sure as God made the earth and little fishes I want one of these for my rifle!! 👍
You have my attention. I think I’d like to find out more about this
I love your no nonsense approach to precision shooting, reloading and tuning. I can’t wait for my ECtuner brake to get to me in Canada
Brownings BOSS was the first harmonic Tuner that I can recall. I had one on my browning rifle.
Airgun USA, the Tuner was invented by Colonel Paul Wilbur Klipsch while in the Army during and after the Second World War. Paul had the original patent and the original is possessed by the Paul Wilbur Klipsch Museum in Hope, Arkansas. This is the same Paul Wilbur Klipsch who invented the Klipschorn in 1947 and other Klipsch Speakers. The Klipschorn is the worlds longest continuously made speaker and brand new ones are still available today.
@@cmrhonda I drove by the Klipsch factory in the early 80s when visiting Hope, AR. I knew about the speakers but had no Idea of the history or person behind the name. Thanks for sharing!
Things are starting to make sense now, maybe you could teach demo some things if he gets back into the competition shooting again.
I have an A-Bolt II in .243 with the BOSS system on it. Absolutely still the most accurate rifle that I’ve owned. I wonder what caused Browning to drop it as an offering. I’m not even gonna go into to how many amazing groups that I’ve shot using plain Blue Box Federal ammo with that gun. Can’t believe they dropped it as an option.
EDIT: Browning discontinued the BOSS after they were sued by several gun owners for hearing loss. The BOSS initially was only offered with a muzzle brake which the defendants claimed damaged their hearing. They offered a non ported model but when FN took control of Browning they canceled it altogether.
I have a Browning .223 with BOSS. I also have a non-ported muzzle brake. Back in the 1990's most people didn't take the time to "calibrate" their BOSS for their barrel and bullet combination. The BOSS does work if one takes the time to calibrate it......
WOW...
Erik can you do a vid on weight distribution on the rifle, recoil handing, and rest setup, lube on bags, free recoil, do's and don'ts of shooting a rifle in the bags or rest, gun handling is a big part of shooting I know you touched a lot of points when you gave the lesson..thanks have a good xmas
Eric , will this tuner do away with changing the bullet depth as the chamber wears during the life of the barrel?
I don't know why someone hasn't done this sooner...and it's a shame that Winchester/Browning quit making the BOSS rifles. Shooters (mainly hunters I guess) just didn't understand the benefit. I have had a Winchester Model 70 Stainless with the BOSS system for about 20 years. When I bought the rifle, I started shooting 150 gr Nosler BT with it. I dialed the BOSS to their recommended setting and shot a .5" group at 100 yards...and it has stayed right there ever since. To this day, it is still the best shooting gun I have ever owned. I take it to the range before the season starts just to check it. While other guys are shooting all over the place, I take three shots and go get my target. One time I had to wait for a couple other guys to finish up shooting before the range was clear and we could go get our targets. One of them had shot at least 20-30 times. When I pulled my target stand out of the ground, he said "are you done already?". I said "yep" and showed him my target. He said "man, are you a sniper or something". LOL! Anyway...I may have to try one of these on another gun. (Don't need it on that one.)
Much of the shooting world revolves around Walmart bubbas. Hopefully more women & minorities, along with more educated urban & suburban types, will change that dynamic.
Hey Eric nice work! I've been messing around with this concept on one of my prs rifles (actually crps a Canadian long range rimfire comp) to see if its works/is worth it. Then MPA posted a video of the tuner (first time I seen this) and said who made them. I'm thinking whoa that's the barno guy I watch!
Cheers man shoot straight! Oh I'm still not sure on the self leveling caulking idea for the bottom of the wall but I don't see it leaking lol!
Amazing!
Just used my ec tuner brake for the first time. I achieved a .16 MOA, thank you Eric.
Awesome! Only a few will know of the BROWNING BOSS. 300wm abolt Boss here.
Same here
Nice shirt !
Hi Erik--
Have a stock savage HB bolt gun. No threads. Could I machine a threaded sleeve that
I could shrink fit on the end of the barrel-- and then make an internally threaded weight to screw onto the shrunk-on sleeve ? Do you think that would work as a tuner ?
(so I dont have to remove the barrel out of the receiver--)
Hi Erik,
I recently picked up a Winchester Model 70 in 7mm Rem. Mag. with the B.O.S.S. system (as another comment author mentioned having.) I was wondering if it would really help much with my harmonics. I was already looking forward to playing around with it to see what I could accomplish. Now, I'm REALLY excited about getting it out on the range.
Thanks for the video.
It will help.
Hello can your EC tuner be put on a production rifle like a savage heavy varmint 243 .
Hello Erik,
Big hello from across the pond in Ireland.
I hope you can answer my question:
I love to hunt with a moderator on my barrel, however I would love to use your tuner is there in anyway you could produce a tuner that can be fitted so the moderator could also be used?
Basically have a threaded section from the tuner to allow the moderator to be fitted instead of a brake.
Really look forward to your reply and I hope you understand my request.
Kindest regards
Iain
I really love the idea but would hate to have to put my new barrel back in the lathe.
This reminds me of my wichester model 70 classic sporter boss model. It came with the browning boss system on it.
How much weight is on the E C tuner I know you said it was made of stainless steel but the weight in the front that you're adjusting is that heavier or is the same like a thick piece of stainless steel drills and tab
Have you ever put one of your tuners on an AR-15 to see if it improves grouping?
I have a Browning A-Bolt with the B.O.S.S. tuner in .270 rem. Same principle as the EC Tuner. My rifle isa 3/8 moa shooter with quality rounds. The best part, is instead of tuning a handload to the rifle, and sacrificing velocity, you can load the round as hot as you dare, and tune the rifle to the handload.
Great rifle. Wish I hand not sold mine.
sparro birdman my uncle in law has one in 325 wsm that he doesn’t use anymore. Hoping I can talk him into trading it for something or another one of these days.
What’s a .270 Remington?
@@reddawng43x91 no clue lol. I must have been thinking of a rem mag when I was writing about a .270 win lol. Oops
@@fnkdtnk lol gotcha
Hi Eric, I am new at this, can please describe how a tuner works, as this is fitted behind the brim of the barrel,
Vary good info.. this is interesting because when i put a suppressor on my 17wsm the groups move down and left 3 inches and nearly double in size its frustrating
Question?? Can the MC Tuner be used on a suppressed rifle?
Eric it's been a quite a few years since I shot f class down in Donna Texas. I remember you weren't allowed to have anything on your rifle at the end of it no muzzle brakes tuna brakes or suppressors and competition. In this video you're saying you're allowed to run a tune of brake on your competition rifle now or a tuner. Just curious.
Does is this also reduce your SD/ES numbers at the same time as reducing group size? I'm curious about how those two concepts interact.
Jeremy Zang No. ES is controlled with combustion, not barrel harmonics. Tuner only affects barrel harmonics.
would this work on a tikka t3 super lite 7mm if I got the barrel threaded
Would probably have to retune when changing loads, is that correct?
How does this EC tuner work on a 7 magnum sendero two remington, with factory ammunition?
did you make up your own scale for the tuner? it doesn't look like mm or inch
Where can I buy it? Thank you
Forgive my ignorance, but here's my question. Are tuners just as effective on AR platforms?
Great explanation, I learned a lot. However, I still don’t know what an ECTuner does or how it does it.
same
Instead of tuning your load to barrel, it tunes your barrel to your cartridge. See, it goes on the *barrel* and is called a *tuner,* ergo it's a barrel tuner.
I looked it up on line. Barrel harmonics come into play here. The vibrations of a barrel affect the bullet. Like balancing a tire on a car with a wheel weight to stop vibration
@@marcosmota1094 It involves barrel harmonics. I calibrates the barrel to allow bullet travel from the muzzle at the at-rest position. As far as barrel harmonics, the barrel allows potential vibrations, and the cartridge induces vibrations. When they constructively or deconstructively meet in phase at specified barrel lengths, it's called a harmonic node, thus barrel harmonics. You adjust the interference by changing the powder charge (usually), and you can adjust the length to match the node by moving the tuner, which acts as a ballast that virtual "lengthens" the barrel. There's lots of different factors I'm not discussing but the general gist is: interference wave = powder charge, node length = tuner. In layman's terms, tuners are basically just a way of rigging the system so that the potential in the barrel correlates to a "longer" barrel. Could also express this in terms of a ballast (or as a shift in inflection points) but you get the point.
I don't expect the average hunter to know anything about this stuff. To them, good barrel + good stock + good action = good shooting gun. But it's not good enough in PRS, where shooters typically cut hunter's groups in half at the minimum, and one shot group at the max. To get a greater competitive edge requires gaining a more intuitive understanding of what's actually going on and one of the largest margins to gain (and most frustrating) is barrel harmonics.
Ok I’ve learnt so much over the past few months your a great teacher can they be sent to Australia 🇦🇺
Yes
@@ErikCortina Awesome, expect an email from me!!!
Erik, do you have a tuner for a ruger precision rimfire
Are these caliber specific or can a say 308 work on anything below that.
Once the threaded part is screwd in with the muzzle break what's the purpose of the outside part?
How many times did u use the turner. It's just a balancing acring
I just got a new ruger 22lr American can you tell me where I can get your tuner please ?
Hi Erik,
Can you brief explain how to clean and perform maintenance on the turner brake? I now taking it off every time I clean my trifle. I only preform dry nylon brushes to get red off carbon. I do not want to use Bore Tech Eliminator at all.
I have the version with the tuner at the end with the muzzle brake attached to the barrel.
I use CLR. You can dip brake while still attached to rifle into a can full of CLR for about 10 minutes and wipe it off. After cleaning, dunk into another can with rubbing alcohol.
Will the tuner for a 22 that you have work on a 22 magnum
Your tuner for the 1.250 barrel. That’s what my barrels are at the muzzle. So will it match up
Where can I send in my barrels for the tuner cut again? Thx
Sent to Alamo Precision three weeks ago awaiting the return.
Whats the ball park figure for this set up price wise
Please explain the theory behind this. Is this thing weighted on one side, or eccentric, or what is the difference when you rotate it?
It moves the weight of the tuner closer or further from the end of the barrel.
@@InvestorAcademyPodca Wow. I wouldn't have guessed that much difference could be made with a small movement forward or back.
Will this work on a FAL
Can you ship the ECTuner to Australia?
Outside of PRS with an exposed muzzle break, have you utilized the tuner with a suppressor? I'm assuming it would work just the same but I'd like some kind of feedback from someone that used a tuner with a suppressor before getting work done to a barrel. Thanks in advance for any info from anyone.
Yes I have. It works the same way as with muzzle brake.
@@ErikCortina thanks brother appreciate it.
I have an older target Ruger mini 14 that shoots .223 only (says so on it) and has a harmonic tuner on the end. It looks like a suppressor it's so large.
My question is: is this simply an older version of what you have developed Eric? I have hardly shot it because I didn't understand how to use it. Any response from anyone would be appreciated.
There are many tuners out there. Mine was designed to not look huge and ugly. Lol
Hi Eric, will this tuner work with a sound moderator/silencer ?
Yes
I just ordered one EC Tuner. One question! If I dont want the muzzle break could I just thread the tip of the barrel instead of cutting like 3 inches from the barrel tip ? Or do I really need to get the tuner in line with the barrel tip ?
There are instructions on my website. Just set it up like the straight tuner.
@@ErikCortina Got it thanks Erik!
Hi Eric, been watching your videos. You ask what we would like to see.
1. Got your tuner. 2. Will soon buy a ss barrel for lr in 6.5 Grendel SAAMI specs. I would like to see a video on how to proceed chambering the barrel? What reamer and so forth.
Then, a second video, what to do/buy for reloading it.
All the best grouping possible
Erik, on your web page it looks like the non-taper version will only go on a 1.25" barrel, and the tapered version minimum barrel size at the muzzle is 0.850" . Am I reading this correctly? Or can the tuner be installed on more sizes of barrels? I shoot F-class and would like to give it a try on my next barrel install. Thanks
It can be installed on any barrel larger than .850” at muzzle.
@@ErikCortina Thanks Erik.
Do you use the ECTuner on your competition rifles?
Wade Adams
Absolutely. :)
Erik Cortina - Pro Shooter
Well, I just ordered 2. Send them fast. I have a shoot in 10 days. Need to get to the gun smith and shoot it in!!!! ;-).
Can you use this with a suppressor?
Can a shooter put a Suppressor in front of the ECTuner instead of a Muzzle Brake? Thank you.
Looks like the boss system on Browning Rifles.
Factory option on the older Brownings.
Has there been any interest in a "blast forward " muzzle brake /tuner combo?
Watch my video from around Christmas time. :)
What does the tapered tuner weight?
Will this tuner work on a rimfire?
They do.
How much does it weigh and do you sell additional weights Ike the Harrells/Hoehn tuners?
ShootSmallGroups.com
@@ErikCortina I went there and didn't see a weight listed or additional weights?
I was wondering how that thing work ...thanks
Eric can a tunner be used on a silencer.
Do you have one in 1/2 by 28
I need one to fit a FX Impact M3 .30 .. Wellll.
what is a tuner used for? sorry I'm not used to seeing this stuff.
It makes your groups smaller by tuning barrel harmonics
Eric: Would this work on an AR type platform?
Yes
Will this work with a suppressor?
Yes
What's a muscle device?
Possible to reach Philippines?
What kind of pitch of thread does the tuner use?
.850-24
Can i have this on a old Mauser? :)
Please put some load development videos. Thanks
Maybe the front weight is a heavy tungsten I don't know I would think of maybe a piece of tungsten like you but like you balance when you know your crank or something like that doing all the machine work to it so I don't know
Whats your opinion on TaccomHQ's structured barrels?
Idk, I have never tried them.
@@ErikCortina Do you think there is any validity to their claims?
Beach&BoardFan
It’s possible. As you may know, I make barrel tuners, and when barrel is in tune, they shoot much better and accuracy widows are often wider. But as far as completely eliminating vibrations, idk.
I would like to try one at some point.
@@ErikCortina erik.shot a thee shoot group at 500 today with my 6.5prc three quarters of a inch .factory 147 eld no tuner
Annual second best in texas.
what does this cost to have installed?
Its obvious that a tuner break works. SO, why have these types of devices not been add to every rifle in every target shooting competition over the years?
I realize u are an expert ,& I'm not,,but i have to disagree with the tuner,, i want my rifle to shoot the "EXACT SAME" Everytime,, i would rather tune my reloads or my trigger pull weight than change the harmonics of my barrel,, just my opinion, i know ur a better shooter than most of us,, but I'm old school, if it ain't broke, then don't fix it, thank you for the interesting video....
That’s why a tuner is important, so that the rifle shoots the exact same every time. Tuner puts the barrel harmonics in a “happy” place, which ensures consistency.
I have never heard of a muzzle tuner what exactly do these things do
@Lucifer harmonics tuner, semper fi marine
@Lucifer always faithful😁😁 same principle as the harmonic balancer on your vehicle's engine
@Lucifer exactly, the tuner is designed to dampen or kill harmonics, at 1000 meter your pulse will affect your shot, you are a Marine you know this already so the tuner dampens the harmonics caused by the firing the peice
Reminds me of the BOSS.
So If I'm shooting factory ammo... I can just find what ammo my gun likes the most and then tune for more accuracy ???
You would look for ammo with lowest ES and tune it.Having said that, you can tune any ammo with this tuner.
@@ErikCortina thanks for the advise,,, so its a hunting tool as well as target then
I am struggling to understand the mechanical/physics concept behind this barrel tuner. I can understand the idea behind changing the harmonic resonance of a barrel but simply changing the position of said tuner doesnt seem to me to change anything physically with the barrel itself. Now if you added spring tension inside the tuner itself, you are changing potential saved energy which could in theory effect the weight and harmonics of the barrel but even then it would be a change so small that I doubt even a vacuum scale could detect its change in weight. Hmmm maybe an idea worth expanding upon.
Some old military service rifles would have a small screw that would put more or less pressure on the barrel affecting barrel harmonics, however this was achieved via pressure on the barrel via the stock. Just thinking out loud.
tbone martinez Browning Arms described their system as a way to change the timing of the barrel harmonics They claimed that you could change the timing of when the barrel harmonics were at their highest peaks in order for the bullet to leave the barrel when the barrel was at it’s most stable point. That’s probably a poor attempt on my part to describe it but I can tell you that it worked wonderfully in a factory rifle that you wanted to have great accuracy shooting different weight bullets. In a .243 like mine that’s a great thing because a lot of .243 guns will shoot lights out with light bullets but as the bullet weights get up to 100gr the accuracy begins to decrease. Before the BOSS was introduced, if you had a .243 that was like that the on,y option that you had was to change twist rates in your barrel to stabilize the heavier bullets. The BOSS enabled you to get great accuracy with most all weight bullets.
The only downside was that you had to put the time and ammo in to find where the sweet spots were Browning gave you suggested numerical starting points but you still had to fine tune it to your rifle.
The basic mechanical principle is that the barrel is a cantilever beam, and when struck it will vibrate at a given set of frequencies, like a tuning fork. If you mount a mass on the barrel, it will slow those frequencies. As you move the mass outwards, it will have more leverage over the barrel, and slow the frequencies even more.
Why isn't muzzle break connected to the tuner a 1 piece design.
Because this tuner is meant to allow you to switch between supressor or brake and compensate for harmonics.
How would one do load development with such a tuner?
G5 Develop load as usual, and when done, tune with tuner.
@@ErikCortina Erik, I'd really like to see a video where you "tune" a factory match load and measure the improvement.
I think it is especially relevant given that 1/2 MOA is generally "good enough" for practical events like PRS/NRL AND...your tuner allows for the use of a brake which is pretty much a must have for this discipline.
Eu e vários outros atiradores do Brasil gostariam de ter esse compensador, uma pena não enviar para o Brasil...
Whoa until this video I didn’t know the barrel needed addtl machining. I thought it screwed onto the original threads.
Original threads need to be machined on to barre as well. 😉😁
@@ErikCortina thx man!
{Barely hits paper from from 50 yards}
Clearly this is a terrible product! 😆
Very interesting product... will be looking into it