Death By A Thousand Slices - Armored Core 6 Melee PVP Build - Asphalt Lining
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0:00 Introduction
0:15 Build Showcase
3:04 Gameplay Showcase
4:40 PVP w/Commentary
it's so refreshing seeing someone focus on stylish mechanical melee plays, great vid mood!
Thank you for watching!
The bit about the basho arms was absolutely hilarious. Great vid!
Boshio arms are also amazing because they have really high AP and defensive stats with low weight
You’ve definitely influenced me to “walk the melee path”. My favorite builds in the game use melee! Great video as usual
Thank you for this build using the laser slicer. It's easily my favorite weapon! Such a blast to use
you can also cancel dagger into fist just as quickly as you can into quickboost. and since the dagger has such high cooling, you can actually just go back into the dagger combo after staggering and punching once or twice. basho arms, laser dagger, no right arm, two huxleys on a heavy tetrapod using mostly melee attacks with kikaku booster for mobility is extremely silly
Punchy spiderbot sounds amazing wow
Not just the builds, but your insight on the fight itself is very valuable. Reminds me of days when I used to watch Arena players in WoW. Good video
I just wanted to say this is some amazing content. Your creative has been very insightful for some of my own builds. I look forward to future videos! 😎
The dagger is my favorite melee weapon & I love how you put this build together. I'm definitely going to incorporate what I learned in this video.
Amazing content as always! Glad to have discovered your channel, looking forward to more builds!
Thank you for watching!
Amazing build dude, hope you continue to create content on this beautiful game
The commentary and mindset info especially are greatly helpful!
did you name this build the Asphalt Lining because you get run over by every keep-away build?
Your mother.
@@CodenameMood Rude comments aside, since you're billing yourself as the "Melee Messiah" it'd be interesting to see how you deal with long-distance/keepaway builds. The vast bulk of Armored Core 6 is close-range builds because there's not really any other damn range in the game outside of Missile Chunking, and so the enemy tends to feed themselves right into your ideal engagement ranges. How do you handle builds that _don't_ feed themselves to your sword and instead try to play a long-range poke game, either Skybox missile fuckery or high-speed evasive missileer lights?
Comment might look mean, but me and Zepharis are close friends.
As for matchups.. I play a fair build. That loses to more playstyles than it wins against. You will lose to almost all tetras and tanks. And that's a build issue, not a skill issue.
I am undefeated in the realm of melee, but I never claimed to be the "best pvp player" in the game. We have to be realistic.@@yurei8368
@@CodenameMoodFair enough, and thanks for addressing the matter.
@@nlm7033 I mean sure, that's all well and good if you control the room and can set terms. I find that any strategy reliant on the opposition actively making mistakes or voluntarily giving up advantages is a questionable strategy. Sure you can Overboost to a skybox boat - once. Can you do it again? Can you do it often enough to bring it down when it has 15k AP to your ~9k, is specifically built for aerial endurance while you are not, and is raining fire on you the whole time? Can you do it when the skyboat knows full well that's what people are gonna do and trades one of its hand missiles away for a HMMR or a Zimmerman so it can smite you when you close to grips with it? And that's saying nothing of the high-speed groundbound keepaway builds that're built to be faster than you in the first place, Overboost or no Overboost.
God damn I love this build! Good job man! U got all my appreciation
loving your videos, dude. Keep it up!
Nice video! Ive been making ACs for the tf2 mercs and weapon wise this is exactly how i built the Spy's AC, replacing the right shoulder with the jamming bomb launcher
This commentary is very useful, i would like to try fast build but playing on console i'm having problems to keep the enemy in my sight. Explaining why you move in a certain way and what are you doing is helping me understand how to play.
ur builds are the sickest out here FOR REAL
Ah a build with my favorite parts and weapons, splendid
Extremely helpful commentary n humor. Peak guide video bro
Fun to see something new. Basho down, next target Kikaku.
Keep up the amazing content!
This was the build ive been doing since i reach ng+ mostly pve, havent done any pvp yet im enjoying my missions with these
Very interesting build. Thanks for sharing.
thank you for your wisdom, melee man. I would love to see your take on the laser blade.
I'm really happy to see the Slicer and Dagger combo, even though I was never brave enough to use it in PvP xD
i love this london handshake of a build
1:50 Today at work something occured to me: Because missile weapons don't benefit from Recoil Control or from Firearm Specialisation and can lock onto targets outside of your crosshair, the Basho arms are theoretically as good as any other for a pure missile build, but could be uniquely suited to a melee/missile hybrid build if such a thing is at all viable. I suspect the only useful handheld launcher for this would be the HML-G2/P19MLT-04 since the other two options have a minimum range of sorts.
It may also be possible to use Basho arms with manually aimed weapons, IIRC using ECM grenades on yourself forces the enemy to get closer to get a lock and that could be exploited to bait them into your melee range, but it could also completely ruin your useful melee techs that rely on the tracking of melee attacks. I'm not far enough into the game to test these things myself yet.
Sick color scheme ! And yea plasm missile launcher is insane . Carried me thru my first play through , you can fire it without stopping
It's actually just the inverted colors of Silver Lining!
absolutely delighted i found ur channel, thinking of getting AC6 but idk if its worth it
For the PVP? Absolutely not. But for the PVE? Definitely.
I only use the basho for extremely lightweight builds and compensate with my FCS for aiming, then I toss on a Kikaku and a melee weapon, very fun
great build. very well refined.
Quality AC6 content as always
I'm so stealing this one. It's basically all my favorite gear in one package.
Oh haha i went against u on this build yesterday (the stun gun build with evangelion unit 00 color). I thought it was an imposter till u whipped out the silver lining. Btw very nice build. It was an honor to duel with the best melee player, u really show me how to use the silver lining! Keep it up man!
Nice fighting you!
I love this build, I've been messing with a super light weight using one Viento and a laser dagger similar to how you play Asphalt where I try to start stagger build with my dagger then finish it up with the Viento so the dagger is ready for stagger time. If you can deal with the looks of them, the Melander C3 arms are actually becoming my "go-to" arms because they are really well rounded (92~ recoil, 124~ Firearm, and 102 Melee). BALAM may have failed countless times in the story but I'm determined to be the best BALAM AC to ever AC and somehow ritual summon a new storyline where BALAM doesn't suck
Nice one ill be using this for sure
Well done
Nice video. Keep it up
beautiful
Intresting, will try
YASSS!!! Charged Dagger is Sooooo good. People still sleep on it 👍🏾 also melee canceling the uncharged attack eats thru energy super fast but can close distance crazy quick 😅
nice vid, would like to see a lance build someday!
And not a Zimmer in sight, save for in the grave. Good shit mood, I want to fight you.
This was the idea anyway, wanted to strive away from meta weapons to see even honest things can be made viable by pure pilot skill alone.
Laser Dagger + Slicer....my favorite melee setup....so great to see a melee build that isn't Lance focused. Love your reasoning for the part choices.....still believe Basho arms are a solid choice for a melee focused build. Also, there is an FCS with better close range Stat than the Abbot. Not sure if there was another reason why you chose abbot, weight maybe?
9:04 That reaction is bonkers dude.
Fr crazy reaction time
@@adtg777 I think it was more of a prediction, as at the end of the previous round the opponent used pulse armor when staggered
Audio queue helps, you hear it before you see it.
Mood... can i hug you? this thing is amazing
LEGALIZE NUCLEAR BOMBZZZ
loved the memes.😊
From my own testing the Plasma missiles are definitely the best ones in the game in terms of tracking.
Lesgoooo
God if only our mechs actually looked half as badass as the thumbnail you used. Then again if they did look that epic I probably wouldn’t have the willpower to stop playing lol.
Pog
After the latest patch the vps have better melee spec too about equal with the firmezas i think. Ive been running them a lot
This build is really similar to smth I have, but with Basho arms because me brain want big hurty numbers? And Firmeza legs look so good, in general the firmeza "Set" imo is one of the better looking ACs in the game
I was replaying and didn't notice you mentioning the head part, is there a reason? Maybe it's really just about the stylish point :3
Love the vid btw!
I did mention the head! And yes, it is purely a stylistic choice.
vertical plasma launcher soo good
"Walking the Melee path"
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You mean there are other paths?!
Thanks for the Lecture Teach.
Hey mood love the vid, made this build part of my garage 😊 Q: do you ever use the mele baton for any of your concepts or is the baton not worth utilizing?
Baton is too terrible due to the game's peer-to-peer connection, barely works as it should, so I don't run it in any concepts.
Would be really cool to see someone figure out a fun and efficient build around using Pile Bunker for both normal hits and the charged hits... well I'm not gonna do that anyway so someone else could
Yes we see how viable light weight builds are but can you make medium and heavy builds that also showcase melee? I’m sure there is a way to do it properly . Not tank legs but Biped.
Hmmm
You resist the Basho, but how important is firearm spec to the build? Maybe the faster firing handgun with worse accuracy is better in exchange for what, 30% higher melee damage?
"Look at all these melee builds taking inspiration from me"
>looks at my lightweight pile bunker build with a laser blade, right hand zimmy, and rb plasma missiles for stun cuz i havent unlocked stun needle yet
'Fuck hes right'
What are your thoughts on using a shotgun/pistol/machine gun swapper set up with double melee over a plasma muzzle or Huxley? I’ve been easing into the double melee with double moonlight with a ludlow/Chang-Chen setup and I found the constant impact output really helpful.
Those are alright builds too, though my emphasis has always been melee opener for my builds. You can however try the viento needle pistols with a back melee, racks up impact super fast!
@@CodenameMood Sorry maybe I worded that bad, I meant 2 melees on left side and 2 guns on right. So you still open with melee but instead of having a pistol and missle/drone you run 2 pistols on your right hand so you can keep shooting one while the other reloads on your back and keep their impact from your opening melee hit from depleting.
Maybe it’s skill issue on my part but sometimes while playing melee I find myself just shy of getting them into ACS overload but have all my weapons on cooldown and I have found that 2 right hand guns helps me with that problem, but then you don’t have the extra pressure from any missiles/drones/orbits.
I know the ducat has solid stagger, but have you condered the laser pistol or wurger laser shotgun?
I use a wurger with my laser dagger build, which functions like a secondary heavy melee which can be charged while in other animations. Also frees up my L Back for more missiles instead of needing a follow up weapon swap.
Wuerger pauses movement on charge attack, very painful for melee builds.
@CodenameMood Indeed. It also has an okay range, hitscan attack, massive impact & damage, and also functions as a high fire rate shotgun. It's a punish that doubles as a skirmish option.
The charged strike also has shorter recovery frames than you might expect.
Give my worker bee a whirl some time.
Trust me, I've tried Wuerger as a replacement, the charge attack is genuinely too slow for my playstyle. I want practically 0 interruptions, so.@@billybbishop
@CodenameMood Fair enough. I'm pleased though that the CQC is complex enough that there can be different melee archetypes of play in AC6 instead of the old hit and run for gen4. Sounds like I tend to go for counterattack and your style is more rushdown with this kit.
Keep on dancing, buddy
@@CodenameMood Have you considered needle pistol instead?
After being stomped by the meta, and invisible projectiles I think ima take a break from pvp, but not team pvp cause team fights are fun, but if I wanna melee and use quads (I love bipeds but getting stun locked isn’t fun) any recommendations ?
Laser Lance. It makes you move really far despite the legs!
do you have any advice for fighting other close range builds like double nail gun or double couqiuetts? really struggle against those using my laser dagger build
no offence to your opponent at the end using that build but he wasnt the best, so just wondering if you have any tips
They have a hit and run playstyle. They run in, magdump to get ACS Overload, then get out. Try using a bunch of Quick Boosting to make them waste their shots, then play super aggressively to land your melees, since they are no threat with their weapons reloading.
Ok, no any word about Basho. XD
But... Why not to use VP-46D instead of VP-46S? Better melee and ranged spec, lightweight, decent recoil control for one Duckett. All what we need for light build!
And overall - great video! Well... like always! :)
Less enemy tracking, which is important in this scenario!
7:06 I have no proof, but I'm pretty sure the red text box "ACS LOAD LIMIT" above the stagger bar is the indicator of the stagger stun, and the red stagger bar itself is separately the indicator of when you will get the direct hit bonus on attacks, which often is longer than the stun itself (and I think is what the Attitude Recovery stat changes). For whatever reason (I can think of a few possible), after you assault armor here the stagger bar turns red, but there is no "ACS LOAD LIMIT" above the bar to indicate the stagger stun. Hopefully someone can research/test how this system actually works, but in the mean time its something to pay attention to.
I think the first guy was a Meta slave he was brilliantly punished
i would love to see what youd do with a version of this that replaces the darksouls 2 twinblade with a pile bunker. seems like an easier way to guarantee victory after a stun and does a lot more to further the matchup with quads
@joeytatum6052 no, i know. i kick any tanks outta my lobbies immediately, but ill still fight the quads, just for the challenge. i dont even use my quad setups, as they are just too easy. getting super annoyed with all the fliers and laser boys lately though. i come from 12000 hours of souls pvp, and i want skillful, thrilling combat. passive idiots are the true worst thing in the game. worst thing is that i still beat most of them, but i just want to vomit at the sheer lack of skill of someone who pilots that trash.
@joeytatum6052 lol yeah i agree 1000%. its infuriating. i like light - med weight mechs because their movement options feel better, but all of the flying needs to be nerfed heavily in pvp. a round arena like watchpoint, but with a ceiling, would be welcome, and yeah, there should be a massive weakness to heavy ACs. maybe make them out of commission for 2x the time when finally overloaded, or something like that. we need balance. we also need some more matchmaking tools. let us just restrict certain leg types for our matches, or (even more importantly) make the matchmaking random and blind. i dont wanna face counterpickers and shit like that in every single match. randomly give me opponents based on a similar weight class or something, with quads and tanks being in a category and biped and reverse being in another. maybe make a low stability, low ap hover leg so we can still fire stop weapons while moving, but have the massive weaknesses too. i have so many ideas for a proper ranked system, even just like in dark souls 3 with the colored icons for 1v1 and team battles, with a simple bronze, silver, gold denoting your experience
Coral based build next 🗣🗣🗣🗣
Oh I’m definitely thieving this build. Way too stylish to not.
I use needle gun and huxley
It’d be nice to see a video on how to play against melee builds, though perhaps that would be against your own self interest
We are already suffering as is, this is self-damaging!
I've found myself having more success using the Harris (for it's charged attack) than the Duckett.
Get it Alba Core? Armored Core? Albacore Tuna Core?!
I'll see myself out.
*ba-dumm tss*
Jail.
Is this viable in PVE? Like, you could go through the whole game with it? Or would it run into some road blocks? I'm stubborn and don't like to change my kit if I don't have to. Like, if it's just a skill issue.
You can go through the whole game with this, easily.
Coming from someone who is still trying to learn about build-crafting in this game, why pick the Alula boosters over the Gills? Is it energy efficiency of the boosters?
Gills have the absolute worst melee thrust in the game. And, y'know, for a melee build, that's kind of detrimental.
@@CodenameMood Thanks! That's good to know.
You've very much welcome!@@mittensindisguise686
If youre gonna continue with builds could you do a stun baton one?
Stun baton is horribly unreliable on ping, and with the game's netcode. I've tried it, it's just way too painful.
Any reason you chose the Alula over the Gills for the booster?
Gills have the absolute worst melee thrust in the game. Speaks why it's bad for a melee build.
Melee Gang is always watching. A "Melee centric" build is not the same as a Melee build. your Melee card is safe. for now.🗡️
What do you mean, I'm the GODFATHER of Melee Gang.
@@CodenameMood the video labeled as "Melee pvp build" when the build features non-Melee weapons like a handgun and missile launcher.
Even though the two melees are the most used things in the entire build?@@Iveno-Von-Aethervein
@@CodenameMood it's called MELEE Gang for a reason. 🚬 the clarification of "Melee centric" in the video is good enough to keep a Melee Card.
SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG 🗣🗣📢📢
WE LOOOOOOVE CASTING SPELLS
I was wondering if you can make a good Lightweight-Speed Reverse Joint build. Any possibility for that?
You'd be looking for a dual pistol type AC. I'm specialized in melee so, I couldn't tell ya!
@@CodenameMood i see i see. thanks for that notice
Shadow Wizard Money Gang
We LOVE casting spells.
Thanks for making this, another very interesting build and alot of insight on how to play it.
But please stop using the same memes so often, the first time you used the pipe falling effect it was hilarious and unexpected, but it gets old very quickly like this.
Looking forward to the next video!
is there a reason to use the other hand guns over the vientos? Feel its too good number wise over any other one.
More control, more range.
excuse me... but HOW?! the range is straing up contradicted by stats and the others have 32 or 30 recoil vs 15 on the Vientos! why you have more control with that weapons over the Vientos?@@CodenameMood
Speed. If you mash Vientos to shoot them, the recoil flares absurdly much, to the point of making you miss more. Lower fire rate on the other guns make them easier to control for more precise shots.@@nicolasvillasecaali7662
i know i'm the dumb one, but with the arms you are making the showcase the spread isn't bad at all, i feel the one problem you might face with it is being at the limit of its shooting range and the enemy is dodging a lot, which with the lower ammo count could mean more reloads per stagger, but that is not what you are describing, are you sure the shoots go that wild?@@CodenameMood
Unless you are running the best recoil arms, it's pretty noticable.@@nicolasvillasecaali7662
i 100% thought the thumbnail said asshat lightning
So based of you.
1:19 "The core I've chosen is the Alba Core". I put forth a motion for you to call it the Tuna Core in any followup videos.
Why do people love to call it the Tuna core?
@@CodenameMood albacore (Alba Core) is type of tuna fish
You people are so silly.@@ShadowForge762
If only my opponents would actually give me the time of day to use these instead of getting staggered to hell and back or just missiles boated
What do you think about Zimmerman in the right hand instead of ducket?
Doable unless too heavy. I didn't choose it BECAUSE people kept crying that my main build already has a Zimmerman.
@@CodenameMood Ah, if it was money on the table you'd take Zimmerman then right? Or your opinion has changed the last 2 weeks?
Zimmerman all the way. It'd make the combo execution far easier without the need of forbidden combo.@@YoYakuman
@@CodenameMood Cool, thank you. I've been using Lance+Slicer, dagger seems much more usable
Because Lance sucks as an opener, it's too slow and too easy to react too.@@YoYakuman
If it can't instakill people I don't want it. Signed, Basho user.
You will be ran around in circles because you can't track me with anything.
Signed, Basho hater.
is pvp that much harder than pve? I've done all missions with basho and never had a problem with tracking (when I know where they are ofc), even if that's a problem we still have our melee options, we're doing a melee centric build anyway, I don't understand the hate@@CodenameMood
YES!!! I actually use a similar build with the Laser Dagger and Laser Slicer but with the Wuerger Laser Shotgun instead of a Duckett since the mini stun on the Laser Dagger charge attack makes it hard to dodge the follow up charge attack of the Laser Shotgun and I have time to charge the Laser Shotgun as I'm committing to a Laser Dagger charge. I was inspired by your Silver Lining build's Pulse Blade and Zimmerman opener, and tried to put my own spin on it with laser weapons because blue is my favorite color.
To punish an ACS Overload from my Laser Dagger charge attack into Laser Shotgun charge attack, I'd normally do Laser Dagger 2 hit > quick boost > switch weapons > Laser Slicer 2 hit > Assault Armor (the stagger runs out right before the end of the Laser Slicer combo leaving you with frame disadvantage if they survive and you don't have Assault Armor to cancel the animation partway through the second hit).
I find starting my finisher with Laser Dagger 2 hit mechanically easier than starting with Laser Slicer because with high enough Melee Attack Thrust via Kikaku or Gridwalker boosters I don't even need to quick boost cancel the Laser Shotgun charge attack to hit confirm a stagger unless the enemy's momentum leaves them outside my range (so I can just mash after the Laser Shotgun charge attack). The Laser Dagger 2 hit also works well at forcing the enemy's Pulse Armor and allowing you to counter with Assault Armor without prematurely overheating your Laser Slicer.
However, in the case that you will run out of EN closing the gap with melee on an ACS Overloaded target and be left unable to perform the quick boost in the middle of the combo, you can quick boost and switch weapons before the Laser Shotgun charge attack then go straight into the Laser Slicer 2 hit which should again connect even without the need to quick boost cancel the Laser Shotgun charge attack.
Alternatively, if you end up staggering with the Laser Dagger charge attack or Assault Armor, you can do quick boost > Laser Slicer 2 hit > assault boost > boost kick > Laser Shotgun charge attack. Boost kick can be skipped if you're out of EN.
I'm not sure if it's inescapable and it might be unreliable on high latency, but I've never had someone get out of it in PvP and it seems to be confirmed in PvE vs AC type enemies in the test run, missions, and arena.
Additional notes:
I use the Laser Drone for my right back unit to maintain the laser theme but there are probably more optimal ways to sustain or build ACS strain.
I named my build Cutscene because it locks the opponent in an 8 second unskippable while their AC gets blended.
you dont meet quads or chairs at all? quads can do whatever they want with light builds
I avoid fighting them all together, it is unwinnable.
The fact Assault Armor can't be countered, at all, even with the Assault Protection shield kind of makes me wonder what the counterplay to it is for it to be fair? It doesn't seem like once he's staggered you can do anything to stay alive. So it's just a chase to stagger?
That's been the gameplay loop, whoever gets ACS Overload first. AA counters other AA and PA, whoever uses it first loses kind of issue.
@@CodenameMood That doesn't seem very engaging for the opponent or the audience. What's the point of all the parts in the game if it only takes one stagger to nullify all of it? I'm glad I like the story and the pve. The pvp seems pretty bad. Good build tho.
Trying to use PA after being staggered is a misplay on the PA user. One of PA's best features is that it resets your ACS overload bar, so proactively using it when your ACS is high but not broken is the way to go. AA is an opportunity cost that requires positioning to use, so inherently it's mostly light fast, but also low AP/defense builds that can make good use of it. Those builds are also the ones that would make good use of PA. Furthermore, AA loses potency at distance, and only fully counters PA at melee range. If you're facing a Tank for example and they use PA, your AA will take out the PA, but not cause a stagger due to their high Stability. This lets them counter attack and in many cases, easily one shot a light build. There's also Terminal Armor, which would stop melee true combos cold. If you pick TA and you also have a high burst build, it's very possible to counter attack after an enemy AA and get a win.
If it's a battle between two lights that both have AA, then yeah, unless the first use of AA kills the enemy, whoever AA's second gets an advantage. But that's part of the risk of choosing AA.
aww you cut out my one round W against you. I was "Raven/Poe" and it was my first day using Slicer aka lots of full animation swings misses and losing track of whether Psword or Lslicer is on my shoulder. I don't remember how I beat you the second round, but you made some mistake (probably whiffed a charged dagger?) and I punished with Slicer, it wasn't an impressive kill so I'm not surprised it got cut whereas both of your W's vs me were obvious outplays with your Dagger.
Dagger definitely feels strong against other close range builds and especially other melee builds, the cooldown on dagger is so short that it is always a threat at that range.
I actually had it recorded, I was gonna use it as an example of where I fucked up. But I ended up using the other one (this was a random choice, I remembered so later) but I didn't want to use two clips of just fighting you. Sorry if it seemed a little mean on my end!
You were a good foe, keep practicing.
big nunmebr=good
Big number tickle brain
I can't believe you don't use a shotgun to unlock the ultra forbidden 10s combos that filet any build with
How exactly do you do it ?
Correct. I got tired of people coping and crying saying "waaah buh za zimmerman!!!" so I decided to stray away from it, so that no one has anything to cope about.
@@Beardedmane901 There are 2 combos to note. The first is the general bread and butter: [(QB) Dagger 1 -> Delayed Dagger 2 -> Switch Melee -> Shotgun -> (QB) Laser Slicer 1+2]. If you ACS Overload with anything that isn't a charged dagger, you can use that combo. Quick Boosts (QB) are optional and can make it more consistent but are more often than not unnecessary. The second combo is: [Chg. Dagger (cause ACS Overload) -> Delayed Shotgun -> (QB) Dagger 1]. This enables you to use Charged Dagger as a combo starter and chains directly back into the first combo, so you can use them together for a very long combo.
@@Beardedmane901Video example: czcams.com/video/xWw4vK-kX4s/video.html
@@Dinorush13 thanks 💯💯💯
There are so many extremely fun and fast potential builds in this game, too bad 90% of them get dumpstered on by double Zimms, quad kicks and missile keepaway builds. I've pretty much given up on PvP in this game because of having to deal with that on high ping and bad netcode. I've got more than my money's worth of fun with the game until now, at least!
Now I'm going to focus on Titanfall 2 for my giant robot pvp action.
Unfortunately the case. We all hope for the balance patch.
i wonder - how does this build perform against tanks/tetras?
Haven't ran into very many yet, though I would assume not too well as melee generally is very risky against said builds.
every build in this game is TOD you get stunned once and its over
Sadly the case, we are all hoping for a balance patch.
Should indeed legalize nuclear bombs