We Just Bought The MOST SIGNIFICANT New Off-Roader In The Last 30 Years!
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- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Welcome back to TFL Car Chat! In this episode, Tommy and Roman talk about what it is like to own, drive, and off-road the all new Ineos Grenadier! Later, Tommy chats with Alex from Auto Buyers Guide about his experience owning the Grenadier!
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Nobody is going to talk about the fact that they were playing S.L.U.T on apple car play?!?!?! Who do you think it was Tommy? or DAD? Comment below ;) @22:36 On a serious note though, I found you guys about a year ago and just now am subscribing to you but there you go another follower. This channel is so real and honest I trust you guys 100% on info and I recommend your channel to everybody looking for trucks or SUV's. Keep up the great work looking forward to the future with you guys.
Thanks for the kind comment. Very much appreciated!
I noticed that too…..haha!
maybe both.
I noticed, came to comment lol
I saw that and thought it was a feature in the software.
Roman, everyone should acknowledge that you taught your son to think, for himself. Good job, where it counts the most.
LoL. Ok. Nepotism hire. Negative statement I know and maybe unfair. But I don't think the kid's takes are valuable and he wouldn't have any audience without the dad.
I wanted this to succeed so badly but ... the GX 550 just made this thing superfluous. If the Ineos was closer to $50k than $80k it might be an option.
Totally agree. Just saw my first one on the road today. Very cool looking, but compared to the GX, with a Toyota six cylinder for $20-30k cheaper, I can deal with the GX. And then we also have to see what the new Land Cruiser can do.
Their target market is really the people who would be buying a Defender moreso than someone considering a baby Land Cruiser or the GX550.
Side note, its a bummer for larger adventurous families because neither the Grenadier or OverTrail GX trims offer a 3rd row.
Which leaves the TRD Pro Sequoia which shares the same chassis as the 300 series Land Cruiser if you need more than 5 seats and some off-road capability. That presents its own issues though. The Sequoia is around 8" longer than the LX600 and 4" longer than the GX550 with poopier approach, break-over, and departure angles.
They are two different vehicles for two different people. I don't think there's going to be much cross shopping beyond the general "person who has $80k and wants 4WD" demographic.
As far as success, unless you can find an order rejection at a dealer you're not going to find one for another 6-12 months. I'm concerned long term, as anyone should be, but there are plenty of people who are interested in this type of thing that aren't exactly in the GX demo.
@@marcochavanne The GX is far more off-road focused than the current Defender. Land Rover changed that model into something no serious off-roader would ever buy. The GX, Sequoia and possibly the Lexus LX are the closest competition to the Grenadier in price and purpose in the US market. Globally this competes mainly against the Land Cruiser 70 Series and Land Cruiser 300, of course.
@@PeakDeclinecurrent Defender is no slouch off road. Whether you need multiple engines or various expensive fixes due to all the computers and tech, well therein lies the rub.
This just proves how manufacturers are really sandbagging. This guy in just a few years made this vehicle happen and its a quality product. Bravo!
"Built for purpose" but charging luxury pricing? This feels like a brand taking advantage of the hype.
Luxury pricing has moved to 100K. You got wagoneers….not grand ..at this price
🤦🏻♂️
It’s a small company.
Built to G-wagon quality at less than half the price*
When the heavily-optioned 1973 Bronco I once owned was new, one COULD have bought a 454 powered Corvette for the same money.
Not. Exactly. Cheap.
So paying a premium price for something like this Grenadier strikes me as nothing new.
Love the father & son teamwork & friendly attitude 👍🏻 it is rare to see this nowadays
The steering thing is such a solid axle thing. I changed from a 2wd F150 with independent suspension to a 4x4 F250 with a front solid axle, and my goodness, what a thing to get used to.
Designed in England, built in France, German engine. What could possibly go wrong? Lack of parts and dealers are a huge issue. Nice unbiased review! Thanks.
There are a lot of global collaborations on vehicles now. This is a limited production vehicle for the few who want to stand out, live near one of the few dealerships, and can afford the price of entry; Roman/TFL as an example of that clientele...
Dealer network is a big worry. I'm glad mine is within an hour away but they need to be fairly prevalent for this to be a lasting thing.
and gauge and infotainment system from China
Axles from Italy.
Ford Bronco built in USA. Engines failing by the dozen. Plastic oil pans on engine and transmission. It's a Pozer off road vehicle. But a mall crawler. People bought them , To look and feel special 😅😅😅
A Land Rover without the crappy Land Rover parts? Perfect! But I think the 2024 Land Cruiser will be an even bigger deal, particularly in the under $60K price point.
You've got a better shot at hitting the lottery on Mars than finding the new LC for under $60K. Toyota dealers are already charging high ADM for it.
I have an early build Grenadier in the UK and I have now done over 16,000 miles. Mine is a basic diesel station wagon in Britannia Blue with a white roof with a few options; unlike you I have the extended electrics, the safari roof, tow gear and the first aid kit in the door. I don't have the lockers or the electric safety gear. It is not a mass market car, so was almost guaranteed to be expensive, as they don't have the economies of scale of Toyota, Mercedes, Jeep or Ford.
I love it; it replaced an old Defender and is much improved and works well for me. I don't do luxury, but my family prefer it. It had some teething issues when released but these have been fixed by the dealer. My dealer has mainly agricultural franchises and a Korean vehicle franchise.
They meed to send the diesel to the North American market.
As for cost they did run much higher than their initial “unofficial” 45k Sterling target.
@@GallatinMan Diesel would be nice but certification vs volume negates it and necessary ghg add-ons would choke it.
Your cost compared to other vehicles in the UK is reasonable though. In the USA, and ESPECIALLY in Canada, it does not. Over $100k in Canada for the Trialmaster. It's a joke.
I also have a Grenadier, having owned all sorts of VWs, Fords, and Toyotas, including a 200-series Landcruiser V8. My Grenadier is honestly "the best" car I have ever purchased. Ok, it is a bit quirky, I expected that as a new vehicle... Fantastic engine; it was too big to fit in a carpark initially, but I love it!! Steering, you learn, and then you forget to learn after a mile. Top-class, honest comments.
Starts at 71k in the us
Guys, a lot of people are removing the steering stabilizer to fix the steering-centering issue. It only takes a few minutes to do and it would be interesting to get your impressions of that change.
Was fun listening to Tommy and Alex talk about their rigs! We took delivery of our Grenadier in December and we love it. It has some annoying quirks but none of them are deal breakers, and the Grenadier just feels "special". It gets tons of attention everywhere we go and it's a blast to drive. The engine is so much peppier than the V6 in our 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road. I do think it's too expensive, but honestly every new enthusiast car is too expensive nowadays. We're hoping to make a lot more videos of the Grenadier soon!
Your new truck has a B58 engine which is BMW’s flagship engine used on their high end models including sports cars. It’s also used in the Supra, so I imagine it’s massively faster than your old 4Runner. Congrats on your rig!
For sure. We still own the 4Runner. It's a great rig and will last forever. @@miniaddict4534
I love this vehicle, even if I probably won't buy one. My speculation is that the cost of replacement parts will be exhorbitant. Italian axles, bmw engine, European cars are not cheap to maintain.
Agree with your concerns on cost of replacement parts and repairs, and even finding someone who would work on it. For less $$ you can buy a top of the line Summit Reserve Grand Cherokee or if you want something more offroad get a top of the line Rubicon Wrangler. Cheaper and easier to repair/maintain.
BMW stuff is a bit pricey but it is easy to get in the US. I'm more concerned about what all in the suspension and other driveline parts are much less common. I'm sure it'll all be expensive but these days even fixing things on your normal Jeep or Toyota can be expensive. I would just want to know I can get parts in a timely manner.
That engine (and variants thereof) is in a ton of vehicles, including Toyota's own Supra.
Tell the GM owners that own the baby Cummins.. made overseas 😅😅
I was all into this as it was being developed. It's got compromises but for 90% of where this will ever go, I'd prefer to save 20-30K and will get a GX/Land Cruiser or 4runner.
There’s NO reason it should be $1 more than the more luxurious Lexus GX. 50% more expensive??? Outrageous
@@jmax850 Couldn't agree more. It may have solid axels and 3 lockers (if equipped) but it's lacking everywhere else. The on-road manners won't be as good as the GX, so getting to the off-road section won't be as fun or relaxing. Lastly, Ineos is promising buyers that they'll be there in 5 - 10 -20 yrs. That's a big ask. One that would be a little easier to swallow if it was much cheaper... which would help ensure their longevity if they had volume sales.
The GX and Sequoia are not serious off roaders. They are like modern Range/Land Rovers. I had a new Sequoia TRD Pro and that thing belongs on light trails and Target parking lots with the pathetic angles and silly front air dam that would get destroyed immediately on a trail.
I agree that the 4Runner would probably be a better value with similar capabilities.
@@voxel999 Wow you honestly don't think the GX is NOT a serious off roader? Are you talking about the GX 460 or the new GX 550 premium and luxury trims ( which I honestly don't think are truly offroaders )
Going up against big manufacturer prices as a start up is hard. It's a big ask, but any sort of customized vehicle would be more than double the price. Look at custom vintage broncos, etc. They need to work out some kinks and fix a few obvious design aspects, but it would be nice to have the only one around
I hope you add the Eibach lift springs and some larger tires! I think it MAKES this vehicle! It's a relatively inexpensive upgrade and it would really unlock the capabilities of this vehicle!
At 80K you shouldn't have to
It's not going to lift the vehicle. Why buy all that crap. It's a solid axle and will not lift
Misses: Central instrument panel, gearshift, price, speed warning. Everything else is awesome and I'd love to have it. Love the looks and manual controls/switches.
You guys need to play the Green Acres theme song when you drive it!!!!!!
The center pod is so it is easier to have left hand and right hand drive models using the same dashboard. It was intended to be an international model sold world wide.
And yet you have Jeep Wranglers, Land Cruisers, G Wagons etc sold worlldwide too if left and right hand drive models.
@@husshardan3511and how old are Jeep, Toyota and Mercedes companies. Over 100 years old. Ineos is new company
@@ChR0nos_7734 you’d think because they are new starting with a clean slate they would look around and see how everyone else has building cars for over 100 years, and take the best of that. No? ok.
Tommy can bash on the inline 6 all he wants in the short. It's the best engine BMW made.
Sadly not saying much. All of the plastic bits break over time. Cheapness that strongly impacts long term ownership. And yes, my wife has owned quite a few so we have experience.
@@stonepab58 is one of the greatest engine mankind has ever made and probably the greatest inline 6 engine ever with stacks of awards maintain it and it will do 250k 300k miles like Childs play go put a a couple bolt on mods and a turbo and you making 700whp with ease. Don’t add your opinion if you know absolutely nothing
@@greeked My wife has owned a lot of BMWs over the last 30+ years, all bought new, but I know nothing about them. Ok.
@@stonepa you know absolutely nothing about a b58 with that statement. An m50 n55 n54 n20 n16 n63 list all your bmw engines you own have nothing to do with a b58, your statement it so vague and generalized. Don’t comment if you have zero experience with the topic at hand
@@greeked ok. Right now in my garage sits an M440 convertible and an X3 M40ix. Both with the B58. Again, core engine is great but all the plastic parts they bolt on have once again been trouble. When you cant really trust that some $100 part like a plastic coolant control valve not to fail, and they always fail and have on both of my wife’s cars, then you can’t trust. The engine. None of my Land Cruisers have ever had a potentially catastrophic problem even at extremely high miles.
May be a good choice for the Grenadier. Not sure. Maybe they re-engineered all the plastic parts like Toyota did. Guess we will see.
I think that few 4x4 enthusiasts do not realize that the English Designer of the Grenadier Toby Ecuyer was a Yacht Designer of some 20 years standing before being poached by Jim Radcliff after designing Jim Radcliff's Yacht and that the Grenadier was his first attempt at a Car design and then subsequently he went on to engage Styer Magna in Graz Austria and employed the Germans and Austrian engineers who were currently manufacturing the G-Wagons for Mercedes Benz at their Styer Magna plant to produce the various prototypes of the Grenadier
So they got a dood who was used to designing boats design this car? That explains the steeriing.
I like that they didn’t target this at the Malibu Barbi crowd.This is where Land Rover went wrong in my mind. Built to be simple, rugged, easy to fix with global parts availability. The shifter is a huge mis! I’ve used similar systems and it felt so backwards to push a shifter forward to travel backwards. That’s something I would get used to but the point is it’s irritating when your getting in it the first time.
Thanks for the long review guys! I found some of it annoying, but I understand where you’re coming from. Tommy: you’re the main reason I ordered one to begin with from that video you did 3 years ago or so! I’ll be selling my capable 2017 4Runner. My Scottish White Trialmaster will be here soon. I pretty much checked every accessory box. Factory mounted winch was a no-brainer for me.
Have to say I am shocked by the options you guys didn’t select. No ladder? No tow package? No accessory rails? But you’re also not planning to keep it for long so maybe that’s why?
I look forward to the other videos and see you put her through her paces. I think it’s an incredible vehicle. Not perfect for sure but there’s really nothing like it unless you have $200k for Gelandewagen.
How cool is to see dad and son working together, love it!!
I was able to see one in person at the auto show in Portland last Friday. I was impressed with the fit and finish of the vehicle. As my son pointed out having panels that can be removed easily was a plus. The lack of a speed or tach readout behind the wheel bugs me. It also bugged me on the Mini too. If you opt for the BFGs the tire is 31.7" tall (according to BFG). The salesman showed a picture from one of his customers that already mounted 35s with no lift. It looked really good, and he's had no issues with rubbing.
I appreciate all the research you do to present this video. I’m sure it takes a lot of work. The Keyfob looks like my VW Jetta Keyfob. :). The controls on the ceiling are great. Thank you!
Tommy may be too young to remember this but having a physical key did not help prevent vehicle theft in the days before smart keys.
He did mention how thieves can steal Teslas with NFC technology. Maybe he was alluding how cars have been so advanced, car thieves had to learn new technology and are no longer used to the primitive key inside of an ignition.
As the 40 Year Old Guy would say, "Ain't no Way!"
I can see this failing in the US faster than Fiat. There are so many great aftermarket builders out there that could build you a fantastic more than capable wheeler. Can't wait to see how the story ends on this one.
The bmw shifter made me spit my coffee out 😂 caught me off guard lol
Very odd, doesn’t fit the design.
But it’s amazing…it works perfectly. It doesn’t have to be jiggled about from side to side…if you were a bmw driver, you’d know. Of course what it should have is a clutch and a manual shifter and a six speed gearbox….but we live in a world of lazy drivers. How is an automatic transmission vehicle going to know you want to hold third gear to the bottom of the hill then swing left and power up the next one…only the driver has eyes and a brain to establish that plan of action.
@@interdecYes, it needed a manual option. I'd already own it if there was manual variant.
I had the same shifter on my 535. It was great as my arm ran parallel to the shifter. It’s odd on the Gren that I own. I’m getting used to it but it is my only Mo or complaint on the entire vehicle. I love mine.
Roman, you taught Tommy well. He's an absolutely superb presenter.
Where is the video of the buying experience you guys talked about at the end of this video. I can't find it. Oh yeah cool video all the way through. I love it when a owner is reviewing their own vehicle, so much more genuine! Congratulations and looking forward to more content.
TFL obviously has some link issues with the purchasing video for the Ineos.
Where is the field repair guide as promised?
I am so glad they went with the B58. It is so far and above the best engine design of our generation. There is a reason it's used in every bmw model and has helped them gain a reputation for reliability recently.
really appreciate the honest commentary on this rig
I've seen pics of the front axle. And it has a semi.closed knuckle design. But it doesn't have a sealing surface, which would indicate u joints up front. Any way you could figure out what size they are. Dana 30s and 44s use 1310 upfront and 60s use 1350
Dana King pin 60s can use 1410 I thought that was stock. But I'm in the aftermarket world of rock crawling. Super duty 60s can use 1410s stock or fit 1550 if they're 05+ which are massive.
Alex has very valuable insight; his opinion counts a lot. I find him most credible auto-journalist.
I had the opportunity to see one of the test vehicle, I was amazed that particular test vehicle had over 200,000 km on the clock.. and that surprised me that they let us look at the vehicle and drive.... They had three test vehicles, all of them preproduction cars... some of them tested in Africa. Some of them were tested in Australia.... the best part is none of the preproduction cars were new. Now a few of my friends have bought this car... if I can afford it, I would buy it... it's very robust... I think they have a phenomenal market in this niche customer base...
Regarding the winch for the front, I did not order it, but I ordered the front tow hitch, along with the rear tow hitch, that the portable winch can be used either front or both.
I laughed when ya'all mentioned, 'long term' and 'year' in the same sentence. I didn't know TFL was getting into comedy lol.
Collaborating with Alex made this video "Extremely Excellent" (as opposed to just "excellent")! Nice job, guys!
Thanks for this - I have a 2 seater Utility Wagon Grenadier with a lot of extras and it replaced 40+ years of Defender ownership. I absolutely love mine and am enjoying the journey it has taken me on. Yes - it has some teething problems and we await the company to develop - but it does everything I need both on and off road. Sir Jim (NOT Sir Ratcliffe!) has my thanks for his bravery and quirkiness.
I love that it has a solid front axle. It'll really set it apart from the GX550 / Land Cruiser
I think you guys absolutely nailed it, on this review. You focused on all the important things, and can see its place in the battle for the $80,000 segment.
I agree with Tommy. I like the key. Idk I like having that mechanical aspect I guess. I actually put a Lamborghini style flip switch over my start button to try to get some of the aspect back. It helps.
The new Lexus GX upstaged every new SUV this year.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with used prices in a few years. I feel like there are going to be a lot of people who buy these for street use and discover pretty quickly that they're not up for the downsides, and that might result in some pretty insane bargains on them down the line.
I backed out of mine after a five year wait. The dealer in Connecticut could not have been any worse at contact and responding. It’s a cool SUV for sure. I’m excited for them and hope they figure it out. Less tech and lower the price a little. Mine would’ve been $96k with the winch and lockers. I’ve kept my 2019 G550 and 2022 Defender V8. The Grenadier needs a few years to prove its value
I was ready to spend $59,999, for model with triple lockers. Sadly not going to happen.
Superior video guys with Alex too! I can’t find the purchase video you guys did, I have all your channels!
You missed the best part of the court ruling. The court found that land rover never owned the patent because the British government owned the Defender.
As ever, an excellent and balanced review from "a man on the street's" point of view. It will be extremely interesting to hear how everyone gets on and to see if the vehicles ever make it here to Brazil.
Great detailed review.
Super cool car - In the UK they have depreciated quite a bit making a nearly new one very tempting.
Excellent pod cast with Alex... really enjoyed it
The heated leather seats are awesome. The grenadier is very capable off-road and confidence inspiring on gravel roads. Very comfortable over longer distances it’s a great place to explore the great outdoors, and, with loads of character it puts a smile on your face. It’s on the expensive side however, brembo brakes, recaro seats, bilstein shocks, 3 diff locks etc etc go some way to explaining the price.
Great vid!👍 I wonder how much different it is in handling, steering feel or lack of😄 to the Pre 2019 Gelandewagen🤔😃
To Alex and his point about having the unlockable center diff in 4-low. This means you can use low range for backing up trailers in tight situations on pavement. One of the vehicles I learned to drive in was a 1989 F-150 regular cab short bed 4x4 5-speed manual transmission & 300c.i. I-6 engine with manual locking hubs. We left the hubs unlocked unless it was snowing or we were driving up a fire road. But, we used low range all the time for maneuvering trailers and being able to leave the front hubs unlocked made it perfect.
Also, I can't believe TFL bought one without a trailer hitch! And skipping on the heated seats in Colorado of all places. But you spent the $300 for the compass???
Edit: I just looked at the Ineos website and they have another new vehicle announced; the Fusilier. Looks smaller and more aerodynamic.
In-line 6 is the way to go , I have had a few and they are great good mpg plus enough torque to tow , no v-8 sound but the ones I have had just kept going and going
I like the manual key good call
The things I don't like are no speedometer in front of the driver the gear shifter and the price is ridiculous
Yeah. I'm so over all automakers copying Tesla's ugly center screen, with no instrument cluster shtick.
@@abelreyna8781 same here like make something that does not copy other brands make it your own. And the price for the vehicle is stupid ridiculous also
@@texandy89 Especially when the electronics and screens are probably made by basically slaves in a Chinese sweat shop.
@@abelreyna8781 exactly like how the minerals for Ev batteries are mined by slave labor as well and we are supposed to be ok with that the US is not energy efficient since we are not mining as much anymore or drilling now we are relying on dirty country's for our energy which is a shame
Love it. Great specs. You are the best🔥
I just experienced a serious feeling of dejavu - as someone who lives in Africa I remember the same discussions about 2 years ago. The discussions here have evolved substantially over time.😊
Reminds me of my 2013 FJ Cruiser the vehicle that Toyota should build again, because it is just good.
Listening to Alex comments about steering.
100% guaranteed the wheel alignment is out, most likely the Caster angle which should be 2 degrees.
The steering and road handling is excellent, so his comments about the handling definitely indicate wheel alignment wasn’t done at PDI which is a common issue in USA
The steering issue makes me think they are not running enough caster angle. If you guys added some caster, the steering would return to center quickly, and it would not wander.
I did this on my Wrangler (running 5.5 degrees now) and it made a night and day difference.
I hope you keep that for a long time. That’s a cool rig.
Great video format 😊
Hi , other u tubers have been complaining about the hump on the floor being a problem for comfort in the Right hand drive models , just wondering does the left hand drive have a hump on floor as well ? Thanks great videos by the way
Thanks
I love ditching push button and power seats. The seats add so much weight and decrease payload. I also think commentary about the heaviness is a bit off - it's only a bit heavier than a GX 550, but it has a lot more payload.
I have a 2020 BMW X5 and looks to me like you have similar interface/system/tech that comes with a BMW of the same era with the B058. It's logical seeing that it shares the same powertrain. My BMW came with the overspeed warning active as standard but did get disabled through the multiple menu settings. I definitely identified with some of your interface issues.
Good chat. I appreciate the content. Thank you Tommy for your perspective, you did great. Old boy, your guy who is happy with Gren Dier is profound in his interests/personal likes. He can buy @ $90k plus, all day, pay over the top prices, and he postures that its all just so okay...its not...Wanted winche, at 4k plus too...vehicle tech, at start up? Are you kidding me
props to this car company , they basically didn't really exist until 2019 and production started in 2022. your reviewing a 2023/2024 model and analyzing it as if its competing again Toyota and Mercedes. sounds to me like they've done an incredible job in a very short amount of time. i think the price may have to do with the fact that they dont have the buying power that GM , Toyota , or Ford has. i imagine they are having to pay a lot more for each individual part than any of they're competitors have to because they dont have the same economy of scale.
After watching this collab i might suggest you find a camp half way 600 to 650 miles toward each other and tow a small trailor and do a weekend off road collab
I would get an old cheap phone and a digital speedometer app. Tape it to the warning panel in front of the steering wheel. No gauge there makes my OCD go wild
The steering of this truck makes me appreciate the steering in the Wrangler/Gladiator. Yeah you have to keep steering it, but at least it doesn’t have a dead zone and isn’t too sloppy.
Great video, I've been waiting for this and love the collab with Alex! A TFL rig without a tow package? I was really hoping to see it on the Ike.
Love the color, I pre-ordered the same combo and am still waiting for delivery...and I'm waffling daily on canceling and waiting a couple years for refinements and more service/warranty/DIY evolution (I'm 6hr drive).
Per the questions at 17:50, Nope, no power seats or lumbar available on any spec or country. And Dual/Aux battery is separate option than aux pre-wiring and additional overhead switches.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
The lack of memory seats is because of wading height, the seats need to be able to survive being underwater. Far as I know Wrangler only added this as an option to the Rubicon last year (they also explained it was a wading issue). I wonder if Recaro simply refused to warranty the seat for being underwater, and Ineos decided the cost of developing their own submersible memory seat would have been prohibitive. That would explain the cutouts for controls being on the seat but unused.
@@TFLtalk lol my 2014 honda crv has front and rear recovery points.
Is there a list anywhere of future Ineos dealers? The closest current dealer to me is around 9 or 10 hours away, but I live in a metro with around 2.6 million people.
That would make it a it difficult for any warranty work to be done
I think the speed warning is an EU requirement or will be very shortly, with the added bonus that the car must store where and when you override the warning so the police can check on your driving, speeding habits, for your safety of course.
I literally just saw one yesterday in San Diego
With the windows on top and red bottom and tracks on the side
I have 1500 miles on mine so far. Love it. It’s solid. Oozes quality.
"it has no land rover parts on it once so ever" well im sold , sounds like a good rig then.
I don't mind the clicking noise, because it's not high pitched. It is very useful in Europe, where they have permanent cameras on the side of the roads that take a picture of the license plate every time you exceed the speed limit. The ticket is then mailed to your house. In your commute, you would know where they are, but if you drive itineraries occasionally, you can be caught by surprise.
The nanny state is in full effect over there. What a joke.
It's because of the idiots here in USA speeding thru School Zones or cutting you off. Many of the new vehicle have that feature.
This put me over the edge to order, thankfully I have a dealer “only” 3 hrs away.
If anyone was wondering what I was cross shopping with; and FJ62 paired with a sienna, new GX and a AT4 Yukon. Will be coming from a 22’ TRD Pro Tundra
I love how it looks, beautiful lines.
I am cross shopping the IG and the GX550. I have an order in for the IG, but have not yet taken delivery. I'm seriously considering leaving the IG at the dealer and buying the GX550 Overtrail, about $16K cheaper than the IG. Any thoughts?
No brainer, cost of ownership will be horrific on this. Because of depreciation, parts and service costs. Get the 250 or 300 Series Land Cruiser.
Wow! Great review guys! I really feel like I know the Ineos Grenadier a lot better now.
First of all, kudos to Sir Ratcliffe on throwing caution to the wind and building something an enthusiast would want. I think as regular people (without billions in cash 😂) usually say "If I were to build an off-roader, I would give it this and that" he actually did it, so that is really cool.
As far as the pricing, I think there is something that sets the Grenadier behind the competition immediately, and that is Chicken tax. From my understanding, this vehicle is a ladder frame vehicle produced not within North America (France) and that would subject it to a 25% import tariff, am I correct in thinking that? That must get passed along to the consumer if a business were to remain profitable. Does this vehicle seem like it should be more of like a $55-$60K vehicle? That would make sense to me.
The Ineos Grenadier is unique in that it is sort of it's own thing. Most similar to a Wrangler, but living well above the price range. It's almost in that premium off-roader segment, such as a Land Rover, but the fit and finish is not there. It's unique. I like it. $80K without heated or power seats is just a head scratcher. But there again, maybe that was influenced by Chicken tax. I think this is a really good effort from a startup company. Good job guys, can't wait to see you guys take it to Moab.
I live in a small mountain town with 60% dirt roads on a 100 acre farm. Looking at retiring my F150 on 35s into a dedicated farm truck and picking one of these up for my daily driver.
The return of the ignition key! Yes. Maybe the shifter on the steering wheel will come back soon!
I seen one this past week on the Massachusetts pike near Springfield.
Love your state: the Berkshires and Cape Cod.
It would have been so much better if it had analogue gauges in front of driver. The switch gear also looks a little low quality for the price.
With regards to the winch, remember not only do you get it wired in but they also replace the springs due to the extra weight
The dual battery option has both batteries underneath the second row, not one in the engine bay and one under the seat.
Payload is over 1800 lbs, not 1500.
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The speed warning makes a ton of sense particularly in the UK at the moment. The UK is moving towards having average speed limit zones everywhere rather than signs and cameras for specific speeds in specific places.
You guys need to begin summary defenestrations of your sniveling-do-gooders.
I think they will succeed as a niche product for people with means. Saw 3 of them in the Highland Park Village parking lot at one time a couple weeks ago in Dallas. Doesn't make much since as an only vehicle, but maybe as a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th car. Cheaper than a G-wagon but more exclusive than a Jeep/Toyota.
ARB is collaborating with Ineos on aftermarket options. There are others also working on accessories.
Oh, the joys of working with your fambly....
I never let the steering self centre in anything l drive. Why would you release the wheel with both hands?
I am very partial to starting my vehicles with a key and having a column shift for my truck. I very much dislike CVT's, infotainment screens, fake gages, BLIS, adaptive cruise control, and power seats. I don't see myself buying anything but classics from now on. However, I do have a certain appreciation for this new off-roader.
Oh, Roman... You are complaining too much... A sign you are getting old and grumpy. LOL!
The Interview with Alex is so good! He is so on point and clear and precise, just as always. A pleasure seeing him on your channel.
FYI, European Legislation compels all new vehicles to come with all the safety features ON at ignition and the possibility to be disabled by the users at their convenience. It may be annoying, but it's for the same reasons you have a lot of regulation in the States too... avoiding lawsuits and liabilities.
The Ineos Grenadier is an awesome car! Beautifully designed with purpose in mind, and BIG, just how an off roader should be. Actually, it is amazing that such a detailed and well thought product that is basically custom made, not on an efficient assembly line, could have been brought to such a small price as 80K USD. You may compare it to the New Defender in price and purpose, but most people would say the Defender is too gimmicky and luxury to actually be a utilitarian capable off roader for the rugged people to take in rugged places, so it defies it's purpose. Meanwhile, this Grenadier looks exactly what people have needed and dreamed for. We want to be able to flush it with a hose on the interior floors. We want to be able to climb on top of the bonnet or roof. We want to be able to scratch it all over and get it all muddy doing heavy duty chores. I bet that, if the company could succeed economically and optimize their production line and parts providers, the price could get down to a half (around 45K?). Then... This would be the new off road vehicle of choice for all African safaris, jungle expeditions, medical convoys. It will only need some technical updates from time to time, like a better engine or new digital entertainment and software...
The steering sounds like an old CJ7. Nice color combination though, my first Mini had a similar blue/white combo.
This particular color combo is a direct copy of one the the Land Rover classic colors from the older vehicles from the 60's and 70's.
….and early fj40s…
How does the turbo six make less power than the four cylinder in my Bronco? I kinda like it but not for twice the price of my bronco.
Any small engine can be pushed for output but they don't last under the added pressure. My 8 cyl GX470 has almost laughably low hp---- but should last 500,000 miles like many 2UZFE's do.