Katyn (2007) - massacre scene part 1/2 (English subtitles)
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The Katyn massacre shown in Andrzej Wajda's "Katyń".
April 1940. Polish POWs are executed (murdered) by the Soviet secret police by being shot in the back of their heads. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Katyn lie documentary: czcams.com/video/8mo0Q6FqT5c/video.html
@Jessica USSR opened up and acknowledged the massacre directed by Stalin...
Everybody knows that it was the Soviets who killed the appox. 22.000 Polish officers in the Katyn forest. The Soviets even invaded Poland together with the Germans in September 1939, so they can never be trusted. Boris Jeltsin revealed the Katyn massacre during his precidency.
@@lennartdejong8211 yeah and Putin took it all back, he only talks about it in interviews for western media, but teaches russians in school that nazis did it and also spreads the lie all over the internet. Hard to blame Russians for believing lies they are spoon fed.
@Khmer Empire Polpot Speedrun any% wow, another commie asstwit spreading some irrelevant nonsense. Now and go suck Putins dick, idiot.
@real arkan fascists lmao your jew commie lies wont stand forever
The Polish POW's were not executed, they were murdered. Execution suggests they had been found guilty of a criminal act by a criminal court. They were simply murdered. I suppose a number of those commisars involved in the murder were themselves treated in the same way by the Germans later in the war.
What comes around goes around
like 27 million soviet soldiers were killed by german army . soviets had paid a huge price for this heinous crime by the hand of germans. what comes around goes around . anyone who do such crimes had always paid the price be it germans , soviets , japans .
@@hkrai1372 it don't matter, the germans would of done the same thing....
I've added this to the main description of this video.
Google Vasily Blokhin. One guy did them all, he survived the war and only lost power when Stalin died.
Much love to Poland. So many wrongs done to the nation, yet it keeps rising up again.
Yes, with Money from EC/Germany. Do You the book "Poland´s secret guilt? Seems not.
The only ones with balls in Europe
@@BanditoBurrito Alimentation recipients with a government like in a banana republic have no balls.
Do you know the book "Poland´s secret guilt?". Seems not. First read, then write.
@@petergehlen4190 Repeating the same comment over doesn't make you sound remotely intelligent, especially considering your poor ability with English grammar. If you can tell me what Poland did to "deserve" Mongol, Tartar and Turkish invasions as well as partitions by neighboring powers, by all means enlighten me. Otherwise, be quiet.
The Worst atrocity the Soviets committed on the Polish people
What pains me most it's an almost forgotten mass murder... Very little known outside Poland and/or Europe, probably :(
Factory owners and german collaborators. You had plenty of them.We also.
Well besides enslaving them with communism for decades.
And people forgive and overlook it
No, just one of many.
Fucking brutal. NEVER FORGET
We won't.
But most people make fun of us and call us cowards for not fighting back against the god damn communists
@@theastralzenitka2780 You are either an ignorant person who's bought the lie, or Evil. Check yourself.
Oh i saw the Wikipedia now about that ok im sorry for texting that comment
@@nelsano3 You know i didn't believed in that but when I saw a stats Wiki I often don't believe in that what is in movies and (and I am not evil or bought to lies)
You may see the all history in "Katyn" movie directed by Andrzej Wajda. The man whose father Jacob Wajda was killed in Katyn
Of course, banned by YT......in our US democracy.
@@TheWilferch You don't have a democracy. You lost that when Trump lost
The US isn’t a democracy true
@@no-knickers-emma1112 you are very right
@@TheWilferch
It literally took me five seconds to find an upload with English subtitles. Not only is it very much not banned, it was uploaded at least 7 months before you posted this comment.
I can't unsee their killing methodology of one by one, 40,000 times. Extremely disturbing
22.000 times
@@Leo-qq6ri you're right. I was confused thinking I read that in the book "A question of honor" I must've been mixed up with some other atrocity during that same horrendous century - Thanks for the correction 🙏
I think that the Katyn massacre scene is one of the best i seen in my whole life, no ceremonies, no drama, just coldblooded death.
Weird
@@Arkamov91 but why?
@@laepal8620 hundreds of young and old polish officers were murdered in cold blood by the ones who freed them
@@laepal8620 just the choice of words doesn’t seem adequate since this movie is based on real events
It’s honestly so well done because it’s the most realistic depiction of how it must have been like for those soldiers, no dramatisation or anything, just silence.
Jesus Christ. What the Poles endured from the Germans, Russians, and Ukrainians (the genocide in Volhynia) were horrors that cannot be put into words. And this scene is a masterpiece. It's brilliant and terrifying at the same time because it's effective without any Hollywood bs. It shows primitive violence and ultimate disregard for human life in such a powerful way exactly because it's simple, without exaggerating the pathos. This is why it works brilliantly.
Dont forget that todays Ukrainians honor Bandera til this day.
@@onelove6875 While Putin honors Stalin. But no need to mention that, right?
Russians? The executioners in this video could much more likely be ethnic Ukrainians. And considering Beria ordered this massacre, who was Georgian.
I don't see how Russians fit into this.
@MrSlanderer I don't think Putin honors Stalin, i dont think Putin ever talks about stalin anyways. I think he has a neutral stance to ofc not offend any side.
@@MrSlanderer i dont see putin beging us to help so stfu upaine dog
i actually learned about the katyn forest massacre from mgs3.
it's rather funny how a popular game from an excellent game series taught me things in history that i never learnt in school.
I play MGS3 but i dont remember where is info of the massacre?
@@Litwinus czcams.com/video/5dOp82Mjdi0/video.html
@@solidsnake497 i play a lot of MGS, but I forgot this 😬
I recently visited the genocide museum in lithuania,they had this clip playing in the former execution cellar,really emphasises the cold "efficiency" of murder...
I hope they had a sizeable section devoted to commemorating their contribution to the genocide of their own Jewish population.
In the forest brothers country, the nazi servant country, lithuania?😢
@@joed4027the Lithuanians fought against both the Nazis and communists.
@@Aistislol the forest brothers were nazi group of 3 Baltic states, including Lithuania
Imagine being told "alright lads, here's what we're doing today" by your boss and being okay with it. Sometimes people are.
Well if they fight they will be thrown into the Gulag
They had no choice i think, this or long term prison probably
Communism
@@Zackislivid then you're not a communist, you are part of the Labour Party not the extreme
@@Zackislivid raz sierpem raz młotem czerwoną chołote ,a na drzewach zamiast liści będą wisieć komuniści .
@@Zackislivid dont worry all war cryimes start picefull
@@bears9055 yes u know what i had some stupid political veiws on some stupid stuff am now a socilist in the labour party.
@@dartmoul13 yep nolonger a communist
Polish suffered the brutal invasion from both Russia and Germany in WW2, Holocaust and communist rule after the war.Yet they continue to thrive.and they are the best mountaineers right with the Nepalese.Salute.Love from Nepal.
Thank you Bro! We never give up.
Much love to Nepal - Poland
Thank you very much
God Bless those Polish heroes.
thanks my friend
They aren't heroes.
@@eliasziad7864 you russian pig i hope ukrainian soldiers will hang all your brothers on trees you mf
@@eliasziad7864 let me guess. Your sources that they aren't heroes are
1. Goebbels
2. Muh feelings told me so
No
For anyone wondering why the guy isn’t reloading his own gun the Soviet’s would get the executioners so drunk it was unsafe to give them a gun with more then one bullet or have them reload it themselves or they straight up couldn’t reload it themselves because they were so drunk Vasili Blokhin killed 5000/7000 people people at Katyn
Blokhin must be one of history's biggest executioner/killer.
@@gumdeo he was the most prolific executioner in history literally went insane and killed himself after Stalin died and he was stripped of all his awards and honors
@Hartley Hare yeah he executed people every night for like 8 hours I think it was 2-3 minutes in between each execution it was straight up industrial killing for no other purpose than to just kill them they didn’t even take their uniforms or jackets which were common to take before execution at the time and this shouldn’t even be called an execution because you need to be sentenced to execution this is just straight up mass murder
@@ARC--ms1se he died of heart attack. suicide was just a convenient explanation
He was thought to have murdered 31,000 people in his entire career. Insane
And notice.....ONLY Hitler and his gang, is portrayed this way in movies , books, schools, documentaries, etc....and NEVER Stalin. Not excusing Hitler....just sayin...as Stalin was "our Uncle Joe". Utter hypocracy.
True. There was something weirder about Germany though. The Soviets are like "hey, we're evil, it's what we do" but Germany was pretending to do it for good which is somehow more disturbing. Stalin killed impersonally, his people and others. Hitler killed more personally, because of who they were.
Impersonal? He put his signature on the documents, he gave the NKVD Thugs quotas of how many the need to kill. They never found any document with Hitlers signatures on the documents killing Jews. Stalin could just let you kill you because he had a bad day..
I think it has a lot to do with ideology, and how most people are comfortable eliding the wicked and evil within a system, or leader of that system, if the beliefs underpinning their motives stem from good and benevolent principles and ideas. Communism at least had admirable ideals: "worker's uniting and overthrowing the exploitative yolk of capitalism and empire, an egalitarian world free from oppression", etc. On merit, those ideals are traceable to the European enlightenment, they belong to the European tradition of intellectual thought and most people can recognize that. Whereas Nazism is a completely alien, barbaric ideology, and nothing in kind or character has ever existed before in the history of Europe -- only in microcosms. Hitler's Mein Kampf had nothing redeemable in it, simply a screed against Jews and pleas to take up arms, and calls for genocide. In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote, "the nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated". Nothing sadistic like that can be found in either Marx's Communist Manifesto or Vladimir Lenin's State & Revolution.
We live in an age of Ideology, where ideas reign supreme more so than the actual actions carried out by professed believers of said ideology.
@@yonisgure7348 100 Million deaths, yes good and benevolent principles and ideas. Please pass the crack pipe, you obviously been sucking on it for far too long. Utter shit.
@@anthonymares5079 I'm sure your source for that ridiculous death toll due to communism is _The Black Book of Communism,_ written by Stephane Courtois, which has been called into question on multiple different grounds.
Some critics have objected to the book's depiction of communism and nazism as being similar, others have criticized the approach the book takes to assigning blame of deaths, and still others, most notably J. Arch Getty, for its lack of distinction between famine deaths and intentional deaths. But in terms of factual accuracy, the book is, according to most experts, off the mark.
1. Death tolls in Maoist china: The death tolls associated with maoist china are considered by most sinologists to be inaccurate. The book lists Mao's china as being responsible for 65 million deaths, particularly in regards to the Great Chinese Famine. this number is considered by most sinologists to be not-accurate. According to Leslie Holmes, the number is closer to 15 million excess deaths, which is substantiated by Chinese statistics. Similarly, the deaths attributed to the cultural revolution is assumed to be overstated, as the cited figure of 5 million is most likely closer to 400,000.
2. In regards to the soviet union, the pattern of inflation remains consistant. No better is this illustrated than the Soviet famine of 1932-1933. It was, according to most experts, both much less devastating than Courtois makes it out to be. In the book he cites a figure of 7 million famine deaths, while modern analysis estimates the death toll to be ranging from 1.8-2.5 million deaths. This is supported by Soviet archival evidence, which shows a death toll of 2.4 million deaths. Furthermore, academics ranging from Grover Furr to J. Arch Getty would agree that the famine at the very least did not arise from malicious intent, but rather as a combination of environmental conditions and damage from Stalin's collectivisation of agriculture (although the importance of the two factors in regards to one-another is highly disputed) In regards to Gulag deaths, which the book pins at about three million, an analysis by J. Arch Getty, Gabor T. Rittersporn and Viktor N. Zemskov shows a death toll of slightly over a third of that amount. In regards to NKVD executions, Getty estimates slightly under 800,000 executions (however, this number also fails to account for commuted sentences and according to Austin Murphy, this number can be reduced even further to just above 100,000)
Lastly, there is some evidence to doubt the intentions of the author. Courtois defines any person who died unnaturally under communism as being "a victim of it", which most would consider disingenuous. Two of the books contributors have rennounced their association with the book, and a formal criticism was written about it by historian Peter Kenez. According to historian Peter Kenez,, the book should simply be considered an *"anti-communist polemic",* and on a separate occasion asserted it contains historical inaccuracies. Harvard university press even retracted its edition of the book, claiming it had *remedial math errors.* Werth and Margolin specifically felt that Courtois was *obsessed* at arriving at the 100 million death toll, and in the process drastically overestimated many figures. Overall, no matter your position on communism, most academics would agree that one would be better off avoiding the Black Book. If you absolutely insist on continuing its use as a source, it could only really be called an inflated count of people who died concurrently to communism, not because of it.
Salty Soviets couldn’t get over their defeat at the hands of Poland in 1920. Those generals they executed made fools of the communists in a fair fight 20 years earlier. It’s tragic what happened to Poland.
Ahaha. Remember your colonization attempts of Liberia? You wanted 100,000 passive-aggressive bantus. In us army they couldn't touch a 1911 or a bar(pun indeed) but guess they could in the pollack army.
@@raulpopa4196 You sick racist
@@somebodytoknow7408 what? do not know what liberia was and whtat poland had something to do with it?
@@somebodytoknow7408 c'mon, nothing to say?
@@raulpopa4196 you're gay
Ther person most directly responsible for Katyn is Beria head of nkvd
You can kill people, but you can’t kill the desire for freedom.
Well said.
Yes you can.
Katyn was nothing but Stalin's personal revenge against those brave Polish people who stopped Red Army's advance in 1920. Rest in peace, heroes.
Poland whooped Russias ass in the 1920 war. Imagine a small army taking on millions of russian waves
@@michaelweston409 Poland is just one gigantic flat tank exercising ground of a country and the geographic location is called the German-Russian corridor! 😂😂🤣
Remember when 20,000 Soviet Pows died under Poland after the 1920 war?
Actually Russians helped kick Germans ass. If it wasn’t for Russia Poland wouldn’t even exist) read history about Armia Ludowa. Polish Russian army that fought against Germans
@@ggromio6703 oh just stfu propaganda dog noone gonna belive this cheap poropaganda
They died as soldiers - the murders are not even men.
(O, very interesting opinion. Hence, who they are? Voice from sc (so called) poland.
"It's only a war crime if you lose the war"
-USA, Soviet Union, UK (1945-)
Like dat statement. Simple but says so much.✌
You get it, if only more did.
Lose
@@jasongallman2032 "I have no respect for this language, so please don't correct me XD" jk thanks
The US charged many of its own soldiers with war-crimes during WW2.
soviets did this then blamed the Germans...kind of like the entire war.
It's so terrifying and sad. Polish people. If you want peace, always prepare for war.
A truly dark chapter in human history
Thank you for the English subtitles. It helps those who do english only. Especially me.
I'm happy to hear that, I'm aware the Polish language is far from easy, so I prepared and merged the subtitles before uploading.
The Polish people are the Forgotten people no other country suffered more than Poland during the second war.
Invaded by Germany and Russia betrayed by all the Allied Forces fought for 50 years for their independence.
You will never break the Polish people they only kneel to God
Belarus and Ukraine suffered more. People forget Holodomor.
@@Damian.99 🤡
@@Damian.99 it was same sht this times, but you did one mistake, your people mixed with Russian and you was keeping them as friends till now, not like we do. Wish the best.
@@wyrostek6040 wrong, we didn’t want to be friends, Ukraine didn’t want to be in the Soviet Union. The only difference between Poland and Ukraine is that Ukraine is closer to Russia, THATS IT. Unfortunately we have a big border with Russia and we paid for it.
Even in My country (Mongolia) those bastards committed genocide but their puppets saying that it was just massacre not Genocide
it seems nothing has changed and a life is worth nothing in russia until today.
straszne co ci ludzie musieli przeżywać, tylko bestie mogły się tak zachować, nawet nie zwierzęta tylko bestie w ludzkiej skórze.
@Stay healthy Its horriyfing that these people feels only beasts could do something like this not even a animals just beasts in human skin (that probably isn't the best translate but I tried my best)
*felt
to byli ludzie. tacy sami jak my. polecam "ordinary men" swietna ksiazka o podstepnej metamorfozie zla ktore siedzi w kazym z nas
This was the worst place to be alive ever. Beetwen The Third Reich and USSR.
nie ma nazis są Niemcy, pajacu
@@szymonbartosik2308 Drobna pomyłka, ale widzę, że nawet nie trzeba nikogo obrażać, by samemu zostać obrzuconym inwektywami.
As someone whose country was caught between both regimes (I'm Latvian) I 1000% agree with this
For real. Read the book Bloodlands. Surely one of the two or three grimmest books I've ever read.
God Bless the Polish People
Russia got away with it..
...and many in Russia still deny or downplay this atrocity.
So did many of the German Nazis. Escaped to Argentina at the end of the war.
@@morpheusspirit6609 Who? Those who got away were sidekicks and a bunch of nobodies. Hitler, Goebbels died after the fall of Berlin; Göring, Keitel, Jodl died after Nuremberg; Heydrich died in 42; Himmler died before the war was officially over; Speer was sentenced; Hess was imprisoned and died there. Which Nazi leaders are you talking about? The top 10 died during and after the war. Model, Krebbs and Burgdorf committed suicide too. Mengele, Müller? Lol! They were sidekicks and only got the spotlight due to Göring, Heydrich. Eichmann was a nobody until Heydrich carried him in the campaign.
The camera swinging down with the man's head as he was shot - jfc ... It jus gives that scene a little extra something unnerving... Wow.
Rest in peace, From Indonesia
Thank you we are all one.from N.Y.
Terimah Kasi
Yoooww
Such cold blooded murder. Horrendous.
I say the Soviets were worse than nazis. anyone disagree ?! Prove me wrong .
No
Eventually equal, but definitely not worse
The same human shit what was and is walking on this planet
If you think they were worse, then you are just uneducated.
But that doesn't mean they were not evil
I love the fact it ended with this scene.
These soldiers who were complicit in such a heinous war crime acted like animals...there is no excuse and they likely paid for their sins in eternity.
If it brings slight "solace", many of these NKVD and Commisars later were murdered by German atrocities. Look up "Kommisarbefehl".
@@Bahamut3525That is a sickening way of perceiving this crime. You always have a choice. There may be unpleasant consequences but to be complicit in genocide is disgusting.
The germans, finns, italians, romanians and hungarians made them cry in 1941 and 1942:)
U dont surrender to the soviets . Period. They were lambs lead to the slaughter.
you know shit
When you saw those red/blue hats you basically knew you were fucked.
Wzruszająca scena modlitwy przed rozstrzelaniem i niech pokój Boży spocznie na moich polskich wierzących braciach:
Nasz Ojciec
Ty, który jesteś w niebie
Twoje imię będzie uświęcone
Przyjdź do swojego królestwa
Niech się spełni Twoja wola,
jak w niebie
Tak też na ziemi
Chleba naszego powszedniego daj nam dzisiaj
i zostaw nam naszą winę
które również zostawiamy naszym dłużnikom
Nie wódź nas na pokusę
ale wybaw nas od złego
Albowiem twoje jest królestwo, moc i chwała
W imię Jezusa. Amen.
Powitanie od Mike'a Bachmana z Danii
The forgotten Massacre indeed
May God rest their souls.
It’s quite extraordinary to see just how meticulous and efficient the killing machine of the NKVD was….everything is carefully planned; the sealed room, two men standing behind the door, one shoots the soldier in the back of head, body thrown down a tube and dumped into truck, bucket of water splashed to get rid of blood and the cycle repeats….. The Nazis never reached the levels of such methodical ways of killing as the NKVD but the crimes of the Soviets are not as well known unfortunately
@bLackstar they definitely did coke on don’t be naive both sides did
@bLackstar wow surprised that the Germans didn’t come up with this guess they had more efficient ways
Are you kidding? So when the Nazis would enter a Soviet village then gather the women and children into one barn then burn them all to death at once isn't worse than Katyn? Who were mostly POWs and had a fast and painless death? What about the gas the Nazis would use in their holocaust?
The Soviets killed a lot more people than the Nazis. The Nazis were in power for 12 years. The Soviets for about 70 years. Much more time to eliminate undesirable people.
Stalin = Putin.
Nie zapomnę❤️🇵🇱
Nie zapomnę nigdy ❤🇵🇱
slava rus. why call yourselr gopnik bratan. both are russian words. poland is nothint without russia
Z
what about what bandera ukraine did in wolyn
You already forgot...
5 marca 1940 - Stalin podpisuje rozkaz o wymordowaniu polskich oficerów w Katyniu
5 marca 1953 - Stalin zdechł
5 march 1940 - Stalin signs the order about killing polish officers in Katyn
5 march 1953 - Stalin dies
This is not what only NKVD did. It’s also Putin’s, his ministers and closest associates way of dealing with those who don’t fit their sick ambitions and desire of power.
Midwit take.
Show some evidence then because right now Russia is trying to stop nazis
@@IDeclareWar11D2 Stop nazis? By slaughtering and killing women and children? F… o f f.
That statement is radical and unrealistic. You can’t accuse people with no proof other than your hatred.
Putin doesn't kill though.
"We may forgive, but not forget"
Soviet killers were using german guns. Not for framming, just because russian guns were jamming often. Later Soviets used this fact for blamming Nazis for this.
"The process of execution, about which the guards sometimes boasted because it was so 'humane,' was simplicity itself. After a condemned prisoner had undressed, he was led to a partly shattered wing of the prison. As he rounded the corner into a corridor of the wing, a guard shot him in the back of the head. It was 'humane,' because it came without warning."
- John H. Noble, _I was a Slave in Russia_
1)it´s better when the cattle don´t see the butcher knife
2) thats one of the reasons why the nazis come up with gas chambers, the soliders just didnt want to execute this ammount of people and to provide the risk of rebelling they had to come up with something
A humane way of execution is one you can prepare for. Have your last confession, have the right to be shot by a gun you see, by a soldier you see. You should also have the right to hear the reason why you're being executed. Soviets didn't care, because they already knew that there victims could only be found guilty of standing in the way of total control over Poland by communists
Chwała i cześć Bohaterom! Pokój ich Duszom. Wielka tragedia, oby przyszło światu coś dobrego z tego cierpienia i bólu.
yes bro 🇮🇷🇮🇩
As Churchill said on hearing the news "the bolsheviks can be very cruel"
@bLackstar odd because he was the main one who always spoke against stalin before and during the war. If it was up to him he would have invaded USSR but US and other allies did not want to be in another.
@bLackstar Churchill was far more outspoken than any Western leader on Soviet actions in Poland.
he wasn't thinking about cruelty when he starved millions of bengalis and Indians
@@gerald1495 The Japanese did that. You should learn some history.
@@kenharvey8161 I think he's taking about the Bengal Famine
Cześć i Chwała Bohaterom II Rzeczpospolitej Polskiej
This place must be hell for such things to happen. It almost feels like the Westworld show where people live out their depraved nature.
I first learned of this incident from Hoover's book "Betrayed Freedom".
Thanks for posting that, let me add a link with more info: www.amazon.com/Freedom-Betrayed-Herbert-Hoovers-Aftermath/dp/0817912347
don't think that this can't happen again almost anywhere in the world. it doesn't take as much as you might believe.
Those times have passed, gone into the distance. We weren't there then, in the world, When our countrymen fought for their homeland, Believing that it would be better for us. One after another, they gave their surnames, The last words in their lives, The last question, the last answer, and one bullet, that was all... It wasn't given to them to depart with honor, As befits a soldier, Did the sky weep in those spring days...? The forest rustled, and the pits were dug, One after another, they gave their surnames, The last words in their lives, The last question, the last answer, and one bullet, that was all... And into the pits, like a stone thrown into water, They fell with a soundless thud, Soaring for a moment and disappearing among the bodies, Among their closest comrades, One after another, they gave their surnames, The last words in their lives, The last question, the last answer, and one bullet, that was all... One after another, they gave their surnames, The last words in their lives, The last question, the last answer, and one bullet, that was all... - Tears of katyń song made by " horytnica "
Barbarians.
Like ukrainians in wolhynia 1943-1944.
Viva a Polônia!!! 🇵🇱🇵🇱
"There is no decent place to stand in a masacre." (Leonard Cohen)
Oh polish land. How much you guys suffered.
My heart pains for you.
Respect and lots of love from 🇮🇳
Rip bravehearts♥️🙏🏼
Germany 1914....Katyn 1940...Germany Hungary Romania 1944....Chechnya.....Ukraine 2022....this is how Russia liberates people
@@weapon_kukuruza so.first you twist history and second you excuse mass rapes and killings
Central.powers started war? Lol Serbia got the archduke killed. France and Russia wanted war. Russia especially. Russian communism invades and kills since.1917. Hungarian socialist Republic. Soviets annex besaarabia. Soviets/Russia are aggressor always
One point: Joseph Stalin was not a Russian, he was a Georgian. This crime was a Soviet crime.
@@amitmichaeli9019 so what...he was born in Russia and a Russian citizen. Unlike Hitler being Austrian (and illegally naturalized). And many of his henchmen were Russians. My post also mentions Russian war crimes in 1914/1915 in Gwrmany and Austria including the usual rape plunder deportations...including violence against jews. Russian empire was very antisemitic before Hitler was even born
@@Dilley_G45 He was born in Gori, Georgia. He was never a Russian, he was a Soviet. I have no personal interest in this, its just facts, the truth.
@@amitmichaeli9019 I know where he was Born. And we both know it was part of Russia. There was no independent Georgia. Then in 1922 it became part of sov.un.
When the Nazis were actually in the graveyard of katyn forest massacre, they actually showed the entire world of these men how they actually died?
Yes, they did, but the Soviets in turn put all the blame on the Nazis later on..
@@dericktoorek It was revealed that the Germans did the Katyn massacre and the prove documents that was forged by Gorbachev to demonize Stalin. The bullets that were fired was traced by wealther pp and ppk and the Red Army wasn't present in Nazi occupied Katyn Forrest.
@@dericktoorek Well those are Nazis, just as evil as the Soviets so nobody trusted either. But after the Cold War, Soviet unlocked archives proved it was the Soviets who did it.
Nazis actually did, and even invited an international panel of neutral countries to examine the site, because they didn't want people to believe this was German biased manipulation. The commission decisively came to conclusion that soviets did this.
@@dericktoorek Yeah bad Soviets good Nazis. 😡 go 14 88 😂🤡
I'm really looking for file footage that might exist from the original German discovery of the site in '43.
what do the soviet union fanatics say about this ?
They still claim it was Germans who did it. Russia never owes up to its crimes and committed geocines. Nothing has changed since USSR.
First Poland now Ukraine...
I will never forgive to Stalin & Russian communism what the dit to my family & Putin continue to due
The NKVD had such an efficient procedure for these killings. It’s kind of life a registry of motor vehicles but instead of registering your car you get shot
Who else is here because of their teachers
@King Penda brainwashing is uk school
Now we are being told to sympathise with the left
I don’t know if I get it or not why did they do this (P.S. I am Full blooded Russian and I don’t get what happened) was it something they did? Or just for food and money?
The NKVD (Secret Soviet Police, similar to KGB) was ordered by Stalin to take Polish prisoners of war ( those, being 20,000+ Polish officers, soldiers, and i heard some doctors and teachers too, and other anti communists) to be killed in scattered forests along western russia, Katyn being to most famous area. The Poles were brutally murdered, shot in the back of the head and thrown into ditches... the reason being, because they were patriots defending their country and they were seen as enemies by Stalin... they were also anti communist and any enemy of communism had to be killed or sent to siberia... what this was, was an act of hate. brutal cold murder..Soviets didn’t admit it was them until the fall of the USSR, instead they were blaming germany for the longest time... anyway, they did not deserve death, especially like this. these are our heroes, and will always be our heroes.. this is a big stain in Polish Russian relations....
Read _Grover Furr!_ he has covered this issue extensively.
I read that the victims were restrained in a certain manner which was typical of the NKVD. Bloody brutal whatever, poor souls.
why were some murdered inside and others outside?
Некоторые из них были офицерами высокого ранга, другие - более низкими.Убийцам нужно было отчитаться, сколько генералов и полковников они расстреляли против своего руководства.Именно поэтому расстрелы проводили отдельно.
Even the Nazis are said to have been impressed by the precision and speed.
Of course. Since they are the ones who committed this atrocity out of many. Lol
nie ma Nazis są Niemcy idioto
The Nazis were impressed with the efficiency of the Soviet murder machine.
Neither the Nazis nor the Germans have anything to do with Katyn.
@@BaYanTse keep telling yourself that and it will become true! That's what Nazis’ philosophy was after all. 😂
@@eziokenway928 Said guy who is defending Soviets. Ironic xd
Pretty efficient for the time homeslice....pretty damn efficient.
They presented this as "evidence of nazi crimes" in the nuremberg trials, lmao
The good news is the Russians probably lost their hearing eventually
Operation Unthinkable should have been authorized.
Why were the Soviets executing the polish soldiers. For what reason. can anyone inform me anything I don't know.
Stalin wanted to deprive a potential future Polish military of a large portion of its talent. The Soviet leadership, and Stalin in particular, viewed the Polish prisoners as a "problem" as they might resist being under Soviet rule. Therefore, they decided the prisoners inside the "special camps" were to be shot as "avowed enemies of Soviet authority".
@@justyna6592 That's sad. So they're just like the Nazis.
@@marcoplata4972 it’s worth adding that, apart from the officers, a large part of the victims were the Polish elite - doctors, factory owners, lawyers, engineers, scientists and teachers
A favored Soviet tactic when a nation is invaded was to dispose of the "troublesome" people: Decorated military veterans, intellectuals, etc.
it wasn't execution. it was murder
However, the Russians did admit to the Katyn massacre ... after fifty years.
until then it was illegal to speak about this under the occupation - you could get killed for "undermining the Polish - Russian friendship". I get déjà vu looking at the war in the East now
They admit something was done after truth came to light. Otherwise they wouldn't say anything.
Apres ce film , toutes les petites salles de ciné, qui ont passé Katyn ,ont fermés....faute de clients.
Its hard to watch...
I thought they were kill on place (in the forest itself), interesting, I knew they were kill with german bulleted guns, but I didn't thought it was that..."administrative". I really didn't' study that subjet enough, why such...gratuaty ? If someone know, I'm interest, why these officers ? (they were tens of thousand more in Soviets custody)
That was the elite of Polish nation. The officers that were murdered in Katyń massacre were generals, engineers, mathematicians, scientists, college professors etc. All well educated and patriotic. How do you think those men would behave in Poland under soviet rule? We feel the lack of real elites till this very day. You are right though, those "less important" officers were murdered directly in the forrest. The Poish - russo conflict is older than you western people think. You can check Polish - russo wars on yt if you are intested.
For POLAND
Full film?
in here czcams.com/video/taVdIFONkCw/video.html
Katyń (2007)
*Nobody* in this comments section is saying: "The Polish should just get over it..."
Must of gone through a lot of actors for this one....
Katyń was NKVD Operation
Why do we do this to each other...
4:30 czemu mnie boli palec wskazujący jak to oglądam
The Americans said the NKVD was the federal police of the USSR, liken to their FBI in the USA.
NKVD - Soviet Secret Police. Looks like SD-Gestapo in Nazi Germany.
Hate only borns hatred, never forget that.
Appalling 💔
russians..
40 osób z mojej rodziny wywieziono w głąb Rosji 3 zginęło w Katyniu
Bardzo mi przykro :(
This is what Communism does
Were they polish the ones being killed
Russians murdered 20k+ Polish POWs.
The truth is that many countries I would like to forget about the history of Poland or they murdered them or they knew and did nothing