@@khristopherkomodoensis4734 yeah I know bur its just funny that the ltd just dove so fast but yeah I have wanted a baritone for a while so I know what the deal is
I'm going to guess you have a normal Viper and not the 7 string with s 27" scale length like the Viper in the video. The extra string, neck width and neck length make the neck dive even more extreme.
I have a viper FM-100 and it dives about the same as the 2011 Epi sg special. I don't have a leather strap or anything though, so thats kina limiting the grip it can have unless I go Matt Pike mode and play without a shirt.
@@codytodd9773 Ehh, as long as the circuitry doesn't actually form a coil around the weights, there probably shouldn't be interference created by the current magnetizing the weights, but there is definitely some truth to what you're saying.
I've got a B.C. Rich Stealth (the cheaper bolt-on neck version). Though the overall guitar is rather lightweight, it's a neck diver! A nice 3" wide strap of grippy material solves that issue!
It's partly the design that causes it. The neck joins the body at the 22nd fret, thus the headstock is sticking out farther away from the body than most guitars. Add tuners with heavy metal buttons and you get that imbalance.
Can confirm, I have the Epi EB3. But considering how light they are overall, it’s not really a problem. The LTD EX bass on the other hand, that thing is considerably heavier and only slightly less dive. Definitely prefer the EB3
I used to have a burny sg, it had neck-dive but the things were so light I couldn't care less! That said I think I prefer teles lately. Love that twang.
I have a early 2000's Gibson USA Tony Iommi Black SG. It will dive to just below belt level. To balance it out I got one of those weights that you wear around your wrist or ankle and rapped it around a guitar strap. I also put in strap locks to prevent any accidental strap release this might cause.
My solution was a big leather Levi's strap. The strap kind of grips my shoulder, and doesn't allow the neck to dive. Also Warlord isn't an SG style guitar.
I have a 2017 Gibson Sg Standard and it doesn't neck dive bad, if hardly at all. It has a heel joint similar to the late 60s SGs where the strap button is higher up than the early 60s SGs. The new Epiphone SG Standards don't neck dive at all because Epiphone thickened the body. They're slightly thicker than their Gibson counterparts.
Lmao. Lol. Yeah... That does Work. With That P bass. I, Was Contimplating running the Strap through a Hole in a 1/2 brick. 🧱 The ones with 3 holes in them, So you, Can run conduit. Or, Wiring. Or, Rebar. Lol. 🤪
My LTD Vipers both six and 7 string have varying degrees of dive. I moved the strap button to the front of the top horn on the 7 which worked a little, got a 3 inch wide padded strap with extra grippy fabric on the bottom, which doesn't really "Fix" the balance so much as move the pressure a bit to your shoulder, and weirdly enough getting a Fender Voodoo Child coil cable, which weighs a stupid amount, to the greatest amount of success.
I have a 2020 Gibson SG standard. Every single SG I have ever pickup up, has had neck dive. Except this one I traded for it was best trade I have ever made. It’s wild, I like it gotta try that warlord.
Had the same problem. Got a leather strap with the moveable shoulder pad (the underside is raw unfinished leather) and it doesn't budge. Btw, that warlord looks killer. Also love the all white epi, and the matte black baritone. Nice axes.
My Epiphone g400's (2003 and 2009) are both good. My 2003 SG special and 2006 standard both have bad neck dive..... My 2003 g400 is one of my all time favorites.
You kept your composure well when that ltd hit the floor 😂 I have a harley benton dc dlx and the neck dive is pretty rough, always have to hold it so it doesn't fall and hit something.
I had an 1996 gibson sg special that did not move. The super old leather strap i had on it might have helped but i played it around the same spot you let go off them
Neck dive mostly comes from the location of the strap button. If you put it on the horn, you no longer have that problem. I've played SGs for close to 30 years and didn't even know this was a thing until the internet came around and people started yapping about it.
I fought that for so long. You can get weighted pickup rings made out of metal. You can get light tuners. You can even get a Maestro tailpiece to add weight. But alas, they will still neck dive.
I’ve owned 2 SG’s in the past year an Epiphone and Gibson SG tribute , both beautiful guitars but both have suffered from neck dive. It has made it to wear I don’t really use them live nearly as much as I play my Les Pauls
Not all, but most, and most for the same reason. If you look back at the older SGs, they had the long trapeze tailpiece, and many had trems. That weight on the bridge side helps balance out the neck.
Oh I forgot. Saw an SG shaped LTD which was said to be a Glenn Tipton signature.. great looking guitar. Don't remember seeing these anywhere . If anyone knows anymore than me I'd be grateful for the heads-up.
Yes. Alot. I have an Epiphone SG standard. Not a problem though I grew up playing bass in a hardcore band. Like many hardcore bassists (and Flea) before me, I gesticulate with my neck so it's always in my hand.
just use a leather 3 inch wide strap and stops my old sg's from diving at all, made all the difference and i didn't have neck dive anymore. Happy shredding!
I have a 2010 Gibson SG standard and it had neckdive until I had the strap button moved from behind the neck to the tip of the horn like Iommi. Now I think I like the way it sits more than any of my other guitars!
It's simple physics guys, if the neck weighs more than the body the neck will dive because it weighs more than the body can offset or support. SG bodies are very thin and built from mahogany witch is a pretty light weight wood. If they added half an inch to the body thickness it would solve the neck dive problem!
I have played sgs for 19 years now i never heard of neck dive until i saw all these CZcams videos talking about it recently. They dramatically exadurate the headstock dropping to the floor. Honestly i have never had that happen. Admittedly the sg neck might be heavier then other guitars. But i think the light thin body more then makes up for it. I have always liked sgs because for me they are ergonomic and comfortable to play. More so then the bulky heavy less pauls. Not to take anything away less pauls have a rich tone.
Yes they do, I’m thinking because they’re so light I may modify mine with a counter balance weight as I’m used to les Paul’s and RGs. I own an epiphanies SG prophecy and I can co firm it has neck dive probably worse than most because it’s a 24 fret guitar.
I'm lucky enough to have an old SG with a Gibson bigsby type trem that doesn't and a 2009 SG standard that dives but...... They play like a dream and the bigsby can be locked off so it plays beautifully too. God I love SG's .. way cooler than Les Paul's.
Well I wanted the 7 string baritone before but now I don't lol. I had a Samick Gibson 61 SG copy, and it had nearly no neck dive, some but more than manageable. Best guitar I owned, wish I didn't sell it. Also it helps to have a high friction strap.
If it actually bothers anyone, don’t ‘fret’ (😉) there are heaps of ways to fix it. You can either; *Install a trem system eg a bigsby. *Move the strap button to the upper horn. *Hide weights in the control cavity. *Switch out tuners eg grovers are so heavy compared to Kluson’s Or by far the easiest; *buy a textured strap eg those old school tweed 🎸-straps grip really well to fabric
It’s all about the size of the neck! I have an epiphone Les Paul Custom (white SG style body 3 gold pickups) and it has a big-ole chunky baseball bat neck that dives for days. But I also have a early 70s SG standard that has a little petite skinny neck that doesn’t dive!
I found it so funny watching the ltd baritone just absolutely drop
Along with a thud. Hope the headstock survived.
Same
Tbf the neck is much longer than the rest (cuz it's a baritone guitar), but still funny
@@khristopherkomodoensis4734 yeah I know bur its just funny that the ltd just dove so fast but yeah I have wanted a baritone for a while so I know what the deal is
drop g, g stands for ground
Can confirm no neck dive with the Warlord. This guitar replaced my SGs. Excellent instruments.
Plus it looks really good :)
It's not really an SG style guitar though. More like a Les Paul double cut.
Um, maple cap
Move strap button
Expensive too
Ha! That bari' tho...
THUNK!
😢
After watching this I tested my LTD Viper for neck dive and it dives about the same as your 1995 G400. Better than I expected.
I'm going to guess you have a normal Viper and not the 7 string with s 27" scale length like the Viper in the video. The extra string, neck width and neck length make the neck dive even more extreme.
I have a viper FM-100 and it dives about the same as the 2011 Epi sg special. I don't have a leather strap or anything though, so thats kina limiting the grip it can have unless I go Matt Pike mode and play without a shirt.
Love my SGs. It was the first guitar I ever bought. Almost 30 years later, I’m still playing them. Lightweight and easy access to the high frets.
Neck dive never bothered me. In fact, I've ignored to the point where I'm reminded of it lately watching videos about it.
I filled the control cavity of mine with stick on automotive wheel weights. A lot of them. Worked perfectly to counter the drop.
Yeah that probably isn’t good for the pots and stuff.
@@codytodd9773 doesn't touch any. Works fine.
@@stefpenfield5918 exactly, you can even put tape or rubber coat then if your that worried
@@codytodd9773 Ehh, as long as the circuitry doesn't actually form a coil around the weights, there probably shouldn't be interference created by the current magnetizing the weights, but there is definitely some truth to what you're saying.
Could have also just got a leather or suade strap… saves a lot of hassle and completely eliminates neck dive..
A nice leather strap is the easiest remedy for neck dive. I use the one that came with my 2019 61 standard and I’ve never had neck dive issues
I have the same guitar and do the same thing
I use the same strap! Can confirm no neck dive!
"They Reissued the 61 in 2019..? 😳 Gibson... Right?" I, Really liked My 58. 🙁
I have the 61 Les Paul sg as well and it doesn’t move with the leather strap. It’s the best.
Neck dive never bothered me. I appreciate how light they are and they play like butter.
I’ve played a Gibson SG for over 20 years and neck dive has never even crossed my mind. Maybe I’ve just been using the right straps.
Neck dive has never bothered me either. I figure im holding the neck while im playing anyhow😂
@@naturaljoe759people just like to complain about shit. All the guitar legends who used the sg never complained either. Just played
@@MaddoxMeltonMany guitarists put weights like coins on their neckdiving guitars.
@@MaddoxMelton I think you are correct, I’ve had my S2 for over 30 years, and I never heard of neck dive until maybe five years ago.
That thump at the end of the baritone made my heart sad.
😂
Oh yeah, this is definitely a thing with the SG, but they’re staying. I believe there’s room for the SGs, and eventually a Warlord in my collection.
Ltd drops as quick as my morale.
I bought a grippier strap, works well
Same
I've got a B.C. Rich Stealth (the cheaper bolt-on neck version). Though the overall guitar is rather lightweight, it's a neck diver! A nice 3" wide strap of grippy material solves that issue!
It's partly the design that causes it. The neck joins the body at the 22nd fret, thus the headstock is sticking out farther away from the body than most guitars. Add tuners with heavy metal buttons and you get that imbalance.
And they make bass versions of the SG too. Guaranteed to dive.
Can confirm, I have the Epi EB3. But considering how light they are overall, it’s not really a problem. The LTD EX bass on the other hand, that thing is considerably heavier and only slightly less dive. Definitely prefer the EB3
I used to have a burny sg, it had neck-dive but the things were so light I couldn't care less!
That said I think I prefer teles lately. Love that twang.
My g400 deluxe doesn’t neck dive too terribly much, but a side effect of putting a Les Trem on it is slightly reduced dive.
Answering the real questions for someone about to buy an sg. Keep up the doom 🤘
I have a early 2000's Gibson USA Tony Iommi Black SG. It will dive to just below belt level. To balance it out I got one of those weights that you wear around your wrist or ankle and rapped it around a guitar strap. I also put in strap locks to prevent any accidental strap release this might cause.
Nice.
I have a 2019 SG standard and it has no neck dive at all!! It's amazing!!!
2016 70’s Tribute Gibson SG. Best purchase of my life
I have the same guitar. Best money I ever spent
Yes, mine definitely has that neck dive issue.
My solution was a big leather Levi's strap. The strap kind of grips my shoulder, and doesn't allow the neck to dive.
Also Warlord isn't an SG style guitar.
Looks just like an sg
...
@@dylanhoward718nah, looks nothing like an SG. Looks like a double cut away LP though.
That Baritone left and went to a different dimension.
My Gibson SG Special certainly does. Still love it.
I have a 1998 Gibson SG Special and it definitely has neck dive
I’ve been playing guitar for 20 years and I’ve never even heard someone say neck dive.
Same. But you knew exactly what he was talking about huh? 😆
@@devinreed5725 no, i had to watch, i thought it was gonna be something to do with the bolted neck or something.
It's an imaginary problem that doesn't really matter
@@glennjones6100 lol, it matters when your fret arm has to hold the weight of the guitar when your playing standing up.
Same, is it even an issue if it doesn't change the way the guitar sounds?
I have a 2017 Gibson Sg Standard and it doesn't neck dive bad, if hardly at all. It has a heel joint similar to the late 60s SGs where the strap button is higher up than the early 60s SGs. The new Epiphone SG Standards don't neck dive at all because Epiphone thickened the body. They're slightly thicker than their Gibson counterparts.
The warlord guitar..woooo!!.,I've never seen such a gorgeous guitar in a long time.
Thanks man! Check ‘em out at doesitdoom.com/product/warlord
The light thump still made my stomach flip lol
I thought neck dive was when it came loose from the strap, that’s a much bigger thump.
😮 when I heard the head stock hit
😢
Have a 2018 Epiphone G-400 and it only has a very slight dive, a little less than your G-400 did. Interesting video, love SGs!
my 81 SG has neck dive issues and I love it to death
_"This is $15,000 worth of guitars..."_
Solution: Keep your left hand on the necks.
Woah it actually works
It's hard work if you have to play all around the neck and fight it at the same time.
Lmao. Lol. Yeah... That does Work. With That P bass. I, Was Contimplating running the Strap through a Hole in a 1/2 brick. 🧱 The ones with 3 holes in them, So you, Can run conduit. Or, Wiring. Or, Rebar. Lol. 🤪
Even if you're left-handed.
My LTD Vipers both six and 7 string have varying degrees of dive. I moved the strap button to the front of the top horn on the 7 which worked a little, got a 3 inch wide padded strap with extra grippy fabric on the bottom, which doesn't really "Fix" the balance so much as move the pressure a bit to your shoulder, and weirdly enough getting a Fender Voodoo Child coil cable, which weighs a stupid amount, to the greatest amount of success.
Oh! Wow ya I remember both my SGs doing that ! It never accured to me that was an SG thing 🤣
I have a 2020 Gibson SG standard. Every single SG I have ever pickup up, has had neck dive. Except this one I traded for it was best trade I have ever made. It’s wild, I like it gotta try that warlord.
Had the same problem. Got a leather strap with the moveable shoulder pad (the underside is raw unfinished leather) and it doesn't budge.
Btw, that warlord looks killer. Also love the all white epi, and the matte black baritone. Nice axes.
Yup. Thats what I just said. Fixes it right up.
My Epiphone g400's (2003 and 2009) are both good. My 2003 SG special and 2006 standard both have bad neck dive..... My 2003 g400 is one of my all time favorites.
Strap/curly cord or Bigsby/vibramate rig has helped mine
The way that he change his face when they fell out killed me
I have Gibsons and Epiphone SGs and……..yep they all dive. Greatest guitar ever made
You kept your composure well when that ltd hit the floor 😂 I have a harley benton dc dlx and the neck dive is pretty rough, always have to hold it so it doesn't fall and hit something.
i like your gibson openbook hair style.
That LTD, whoosh down it went. Lol
I have a 74 SG Standard that I've owned since 1991 and I got used to it over the years. Wasn't ever really a nuisance.
Viper 7 hit the deck. That's heavy metal 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Fair test… same, smooth backed strap too. 👍🏼
Been playing a gibson gothic sg for 20 years. zero dive, less than your g400 , got an ltd viper as a backup, dove like yours. The cotton strap helps.
I had an 1996 gibson sg special that did not move. The super old leather strap i had on it might have helped but i played it around the same spot you let go off them
Yo that 2011 looks amazing!” Fast as tic choice on color and pick guard. It looks much older than that. I’d love to hear it with those mini humbuckers
I got a vintage VS6 ang i cant say i remember having neck dive issues with it, i will have to get it out tomorrow and test
It’s the exact reason EVH gave as the reason why he wasn’t a fan, a million yrs ago. Gotta have “balance.” 🤘😎
As in "i cant shred if the headstock is trying to scrape the ground"
@@DatBoi-mo9vc truth!
Man I really love those Woodrite guitars. You’re also tempting me to buy an epi sg.
Could this problem be resolved using havier wood on the body and lighter wood on the neck?
Neck dive mostly comes from the location of the strap button. If you put it on the horn, you no longer have that problem. I've played SGs for close to 30 years and didn't even know this was a thing until the internet came around and people started yapping about it.
I've got a 2021 Epi classic worn p90 SG, no neck dive whatsoever. Very nicely balanced guitar.
I have a small boat anchor hanging from to the bottom strap lock button. Works great. 😂
👍... Lol. ✌️🥂. I, Was thinking one of Those Bricks with 3 holes. So, I. Could run the Strap through. 🧱 The P bass goes Thump. 🤨
The esp always get me 😂
I fought that for so long. You can get weighted pickup rings made out of metal. You can get light tuners. You can even get a Maestro tailpiece to add weight. But alas, they will still neck dive.
Steve simply moving the top strap pin to the centre the top horn itself will stop this problem!
I’ve owned 2 SG’s in the past year an Epiphone and Gibson SG tribute , both beautiful guitars but both have suffered from neck dive. It has made it to wear I don’t really use them live nearly as much as I play my Les Pauls
Neck dive drives me nuts .Good point.
I have a 2013 Gibson SG Future and I have no neck dive lol, and I even took of the lightweight orig tuners and outer standard deluxes on
The viper made me chuckle
Not all, but most, and most for the same reason. If you look back at the older SGs, they had the long trapeze tailpiece, and many had trems. That weight on the bridge side helps balance out the neck.
I have a Gibson SG, it's fine. I have some Epiphone LPs, great guitars.
SG Gothic, hell yeah. Dives hard!
Oh I forgot. Saw an SG shaped LTD which was said to be a Glenn Tipton signature.. great looking guitar. Don't remember seeing these anywhere . If anyone knows anymore than me I'd be grateful for the heads-up.
I play bass. I had an EB3. Dive?
Like an Olympian!
But i did live that thing. If Epi ever comes back with one, I'll buy it.
That esp was asked "how much neck dive?" It replied "yes"
My Gibson 61 Std SG has no neck dive, but the Epiphone I had custom built definitely does.
I have an Epiphone SG Standard. Black 2020 model with those snot-coloured "tulip" tuners.
No neck-dive.
Yes. Alot. I have an Epiphone SG standard. Not a problem though I grew up playing bass in a hardcore band. Like many hardcore bassists (and Flea) before me, I gesticulate with my neck so it's always in my hand.
just use a leather 3 inch wide strap and stops my old sg's from diving at all, made all the difference and i didn't have neck dive anymore. Happy shredding!
Thunderbirds have terrible dive too. Switched to a Fender Jazz and my playing improved.
I have a 2010 Gibson SG standard and it had neckdive until I had the strap button moved from behind the neck to the tip of the horn like Iommi. Now I think I like the way it sits more than any of my other guitars!
I agree! Did the same to my 61 reissue.
My BC rich mockingbird neck dives. I had to move the strap buttons from the original holes to different spots to have it dive less.
I used to have a problem with neck dive on my 2007 Gibson SG Special but now I have a huge beer gut to support it and problem kinda solved itself.
I have Gibson sg 2011 p90's on it I have neck dive and tuning problem issues, but the sounds so great no comment about that
Apparently the neck dive originated from the removal of the vibrato systems in the 60s. The change to hard tail then upset the guitars balance.
It's simple physics guys, if the neck weighs more than the body the neck will dive because it weighs more than the body can offset or support. SG bodies are very thin and built from mahogany witch is a pretty light weight wood. If they added half an inch to the body thickness it would solve the neck dive problem!
That freaking viper said "Face meet floor"
I finally understood what neck dive was this whole time
I have played sgs for 19 years now i never heard of neck dive until i saw all these CZcams videos talking about it recently. They dramatically exadurate the headstock dropping to the floor. Honestly i have never had that happen. Admittedly the sg neck might be heavier then other guitars. But i think the light thin body more then makes up for it. I have always liked sgs because for me they are ergonomic and comfortable to play. More so then the bulky heavy less pauls. Not to take anything away less pauls have a rich tone.
No neck dive with my 2010 SG Standard. Native Sons hemp backed strap keeps it where you want it.✌️
I have a G400 pro, fixed the neck dive issue with a suede strap which has more grip.
I gotta stick up for the Viper... it was just in a hurry to play in the deep end!!!
Yes they do, I’m thinking because they’re so light I may modify mine with a counter balance weight as I’m used to les Paul’s and RGs. I own an epiphanies SG prophecy and I can co firm it has neck dive probably worse than most because it’s a 24 fret guitar.
I'm lucky enough to have an old SG with a Gibson bigsby type trem that doesn't and a 2009 SG standard that dives but...... They play like a dream and the bigsby can be locked off so it plays beautifully too.
God I love SG's .. way cooler than Les Paul's.
Well I wanted the 7 string baritone before but now I don't lol. I had a Samick Gibson 61 SG copy, and it had nearly no neck dive, some but more than manageable. Best guitar I owned, wish I didn't sell it. Also it helps to have a high friction strap.
My 2007 epiphone g400 has no neck dive. Taped a bunch of weights in the control cavity and fixed the issue
My Iceman neck dives like that LTD 🤣 had to put big lead weights in the cavity now it only dives like the other SG's haha
an ol mate of mine had an epi sg, he taped fishing weights on the body to stop the neck diving LOL
If it actually bothers anyone, don’t ‘fret’ (😉) there are heaps of ways to fix it. You can either;
*Install a trem system eg a bigsby.
*Move the strap button to the upper horn.
*Hide weights in the control cavity.
*Switch out tuners eg grovers are so heavy compared to Kluson’s
Or by far the easiest;
*buy a textured strap eg those old school tweed 🎸-straps grip really well to fabric
Ohhhh I like that Warlord. Very handsome.
Yeah mine a epi from the serial it was made around 2006-2008 cant remember but unless i lean it goes for the ground lol
It’s all about the size of the neck! I have an epiphone Les Paul Custom (white SG style body 3 gold pickups) and it has a big-ole chunky baseball bat neck that dives for days. But I also have a early 70s SG standard that has a little petite skinny neck that doesn’t dive!
So many SGs 😍
Leather straps on my SG have fixed this issue for me, the leather sticks to your shirt and kinda holds it in place on your shoulder
cotton works too avoid synthetics