Solved!!! Guitar Neck Dive Is Over!
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- I have been sitting on this video a while, I thought about reshooting it because of the unexpected audio issues, but it's just a video, so here you go....
I have solved the persistent issue of SG Droop once and for all! You're Welcome!
0:00 - Musical Intro
0:46 - The Frantone Clip Strap!
7:38 - Top Patron Credits
9:17 - Full Fran Band Song (with pre-roll)
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I have come to realize that everything Fran does is awesome!
She's totally groovy!
? What took you so long?
Yay! Blimmin' awesome to see you Fran, looks like a rest has done you the world of good. Love the music, hope its the same therapy for you that it usually is for me.
I think the SG's balance issues started the term "axe".
I believe it also created a whole cottage industry of luthiers who can repair broken headstocks.
Welcome back Ms Blanche. Also we need a rendition of Tom Jones's Sexbomb only with all occurrences of that word switched for Franband. 'Franband, Franband, it's my Franband...and baby you can join the band'
Very clever, and very cool of you to share it with the world.
Such a cool idea Fran. Also loved the intro, you really looked like you had a blast recording it, I am a newb but I just bought that very same multi track.
This is possibly the best and elegant solution to this problem. Thank you for sharing it!
Love the opening song! Brilliant solution for neck dive. In mid-late 70's I had a numbered reissue Gibson Reverse Firebird. Extreme neck dive. I either didn't know about StrapLocks or they didn't exist. My rear strap button would always let go if neck went too far south and headstock landed (it seemed) on the same spot on left foot metatarsal. One night the last time of the night it happened the headstock fell straight down and broke my foot. I finally used washers on either side of strap and a long larger diameter screw. Didnt help neck dive but saved my foot from further damage.
Great idea Fran! I finally just put my strap button on the upper bout. I filed a flat in the center of the sharp edge of the bout just a tad wider than the strap button base diameter. This gave a good base for the button to mount and drill the screw hole. Had to drill the hole big enough to not split the narrow wood but small enough to get a good bite from the wood screws. This shifted the center point to the left enough to eliminate neck dive. I like that there is no button on the neck heel too. I didn’t like the feel when playing upper frets. I saw Dickey Betts playing an SG with the button on the upper bout. I know most won’t want to modify their guitars like this but I figured I won’t sell it anytime soon and want it comfortable to play. I got left arm and shoulder fatigue always holding the guitar from neck diving. I’m a Les Paul guy but after 45 years they are starting to kill my back and shoulder, the SG weight is a welcome relief and still get a similar LP tone. A bit less bottom end but still has that Gibson LP vibe. Been playing a 335 a lot anymore too.
Very clever Fran! That's a simple and elegant solution to a long standing problem. How I've overcome this over the decades is just by using a strap that has a rough surface on the inside. Not quite as secure as your solution, but it works fairly well. Anyway, good work Fran; also that's a fun track you're working on. ;)
Very smart solution Fran! I myself solved the droop problem by using a wide leather strap with rough inner surface.
I moved the strap button to the upper cut away horn on my SG when I was a kid back in the '70s. Because I saw Tony Iommi did that with his SG. After I did that I realized it changed the balance of the guitar when playing standing up. Made me even a bigger fan of Iommi and his band. I am now 65 and have four SGs and they all have that strap button mod on them. But your solution looks much easier and effective Fran. Great work. You're my new guitar hero. Love your channel.
Seeing as you are close to exiting this mortal coil hows about giving me the SG's?
Brilliant! My 59 LP special has the same issue; it's caused by the strap pin being located on the back of the guitar instead of the fin; it was a terrible idea and Gibson ignored it. I'm not about to drill a hole in the fin of a 59 LP special. Hats off to Fran!
I love that you also wear your strap upside down. I’ve always done it and for years never even knew I was doing it. Somebody pointed it out to me, but I just like being able to adjust my strap on the fly and it’s just easier.
I used to work for a patent attorney, she had the means to defend her patents too. Even then, she was pretty savvy about which ones to bother with.
By putting this video out there you've created prior art so no-one else can patent your idea (in theory) 🤔
i want to claim the velcro strap for a similar purpose...
i know someone who ran into patent problems back in the 80's because you needed deep pockets as fran claims.
In theory, yes. But recent history of the USPTO suggests that they don't really put very much effort (if any) into prior art searches anymore (or for that matter considerations around "obviousness")...
Your key words are "in theory." I've been involved in patent litigation all the up to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and there is virtually NOTHING that is guaranteed.
Hi Fran,this is my first video of yours and I loved it...I also absolutely loved your "Fran Lab" theme song.Thanks so much for this informative video and I look forward to more,take good care and have a rock-n-rollin' day!!!!!🙂🎸🎶☮️🤘
BRILLIANT! There are several guitars and basses I have avoided because of neck dive. A whole new world... Thanks Fran for sharing.
Awesome simple idea.
And it keeps the guitar in playing position at all times.
best idea I saw on this topic, thanks a lot Fran. As an SG user I will try to replicate and when someone asks me what is that I will point him/her to your video.
Great Idea....and it has the added advantage of helping to hold your pants up! I actually did the same thing to one of my straps many years ago, but had forgotten all about it. Thanks for getting this solution out there!
Reminds me of Mr. Miyagi’s line in the original Karate Kid, when Daniel asked him what kind of belt he had. “Canvas. You like? J.C. Penney, $3.98. … Okinawa, belt mean no need rope to hold up pants. Hahaha!”
watched you for years just love you... i have an old Gibson sg 70's, it can use an invention like you suggest so thanks for the idea...i have a patent and your truth is well taken.
i don't do electric much, mostly sing and play Washburn and Yamaha acoustics. also, 9 original songs on utube. love your brain-ey and humble countenance ...you seem so happy in your own element, despite there being enough hell to go around, you still are cheerful.
long live Fran.......in the lab!
That’s a good idea! There are straps that are thick and comfy that work well too.
Very good. I recently got an old Squier M-80 that head dives like crazy. I've been trying ideas for a strap that overcomes that, your idea is very clean and the clip looks very nicely done. Keep up with your cool projects!
Thanks for the tip! I've been wondering what to do about my SG strap but this looks just the doodle dandy for me. Cheers!
Nice work, Fran! The only other working neck-dive solution I'd seen was an acoustic strap tied to the pinchpoint on the headstock between the nut and tuners. It never looked to be that elegant, while forcing an uncomfortable playing posture for those used to the electric guitar strap points. Well done.
Amazing work, Fran! Nice studio, by the way. Greetings from Argentina! Found your solution for a very serious problem. So fancy, so stylish... and so affordable! Not to mention untouching the original instrument.
If I ever make it in this World of Music, you got it for sure, royalties will be yours. We have a saying in here, "nobleza obliga". Dunno how to translate properly... kindness for the kind, I guess?
keep it up!
First time seeing your one of your vids, thanks for the info!
I also wanna say that I absolutely adore your personallity/vibes.
Keep on doung your thing, cool person!
That's really clever! Necessity is the mother of invention. Kudos! 👍❤️💪
Hi Fran, entertaining video. I've owned a 67/68 SG Junior since 1981, bought it when I was still at school. IIRC the first strap I had was Fender brand nearly identical to yours 'n I wore it out. I was unaware for many years of the SG Droop because... mine doesn't droop. With original strap button location, it balances perfectly. (I bought it for £150 - still have the hand-written receipt - and I'm seeing them listed - with original super-budget cardboard case - by the online optimists for £4,500 so go figure.)
However, I have just recently bought one of those affordable Korean-made Brian May pattern guitars and although I love it, it does have some droop until it's horizontal, so maybe a clip would help me out there.
PPS one of my oldest school buddies got into the world of patenting but yes, get someone else to pay for it!
You’re such a great engineer!! ❤
On rare occasion it pays to watch Fran's videos to the very end, i.e., past the credits.
You’re awesome Fran!!! Keep rocking!!!
Hi Fran!!!🥳 Besides the fact that you rock, and I have that exact same fender strap, I am a guitar builder of 4+ decades and all it takes is a little thinking, a DIY balancing rig, and a few tricks to make an instrument stay put where you need it. Personally in my case, that's pretty much right under the chin, with the fingerboard at ~60° to the ground, next to my face!🤪 I know I'm weird, and I love it!😜
Glad to see you feeling better!
i love sg's but was considering a v because i like my guitar in the classical position due to prior injuries ,but this idea has me giving the sg a second look
OMG, what a beautifully elegant little design, Fran.
Rock On, Dudette!
You should slam harder, though, with your sig.
Yeah, take 4 is more like it!
And I'm a classical and fusion guy more than anything else.
Very creative solution Fran! We love your videos in Twin Falls Id.
Fran, I was astounded when I ran across your terrific channel. Science, space, electronics, computers, music. Perfect!! BTW - I have the same Squier short scale Jaguar bass in candy apple red, which complements my '66 Fender Jaguar guitar with well worn nitro-cellulose in the same color. The clip is a great idea!
That's a great idea. I've had to explain to so many people why it's not a good idea to patent unless you're a rich corporation with lots of lawyers. Also, there are countries where the patent is plain meaningless - and once they get the publicly available idea then they go to work at making their own copies.
**cough** China **cough**
Fran -- You are 100% spot-on with regards to patents. What a headache .... never again. Good luck and much success with the new "Fran Clip"!!!!!
It's easy to get a patent if you have somebody else paying the lawyers. Otherwise it's crazy to do it on your own.
And moreover DEFENDING that patent... It becomes pure attrition and whomever has the most money will win the case.
@@SomeMorganSomewhere actually we defended against Microsoft and won. They had to remove features from Internet Explorer.
yes it is a complex an expensive process. I learned a lot trying to do it myself, but I was useful stuff
Poor mans copyright/patent is submitting it to yourself, post mark dated in an unopened envelope sealed. When litigation comes about where you have to prove that you "originated" that technology, then you can present that envelope, unopened, sealed to the judge and jury.
But the way things run today, these LAWYERS and the SYSTEM want their money one way of another.
@@SomeMorganSomewhere thus proof that only those with money will succeed in such cases.
You're awsome, Fran!❤
I need you in my life...js!
Pure genius. Thanks, Fran.
Excellent choice of body shapes
I don’t have any guitars that do that, but it’s neat that you made a solution for those that do.
Nice one, love an elegant solution.
Briefly thought I had an idea to make it even better by using a powerful magnetic catch, however, after a bit of thought it would probably cause more hassles like sticking to stools and cabinets, letting go unexpectedly etc, than it would solve by being quicker to attach. Suspect your plastic catch is the far better option.
Might be rather amusing to set some unsuspecting person up with a really powerful magnetic clip-on strap and video the mayhem?
What a simple and brilliant idea that clip is. My Hondo II Pro Melody Maker clone has the same head / neck dive problem. Thanks :)
The SG droop is real...
That... is... a... brilliant... idea! Thank you!
I mainly play 12 string guitars and they are always prone to neck dive. If you ever start producing these, I want several of them.
That is a good idea, and yes I understand the hassle with the parents.
Thanks for the video 😊
Ingenius! Thanks Fran.
I use a suede strap that just seems to stick to my shirt, seems to work pretty well, but your idea is very clever!
I'm gonna try this..I've had this problem with several double cutaway guitars, the worst is a Squire Strat that has a light body & super glossy finish, the neck dives as soon as you put it on, without any movement. My solution was to use 2 straps, one on each shoulder but that felt kinda weird looked stupid, but it did work. Thank you Frantone!
Fran I really dig your music. Super groovy! :)
"Frantone mastermind Fran Blanche"-Guitar World, your idea has prevented me from adding another strap button to my 24 fret SG. Thx!
Shout out from Chicago, enjoy your content Fran
So true for an individual about getting and retaining a patent. Been down that route before. Love the song! Reminds me of a band in my youth, Dinosaur Jr.
Fran, you'll never cease to amaze me.
Give her an issue, she'll give you back a solution.
That's genius, I have an Epiphone SG Prophecy and it suffers from the same neck-heavy problem as the originals, I'm fighting the problem with a suede strap which offers some extra friction but it will only slow the "dive", not prevent it. Will have to try something like that.
Thanks! This strap mod is a lifesaver.
Whaaat??? For Real??? Well, Jim you are extremely welcome! 😍
Well done! Great idea!
Well hello stranger..glad to see you back.
Very Cool Fran. My old SG would dive just the same, also The Explorer dives but not quite to the floor. Great solution but I wonder how it holds up running around like Angus Young? Very Cool
I used to do a very similar thing for my SG where I sewed carabiner onto a strep and would just clip it to my belt loop. Your solution is slick too. Good job.
Now I've put a bell brass tailpiece on my SG and it added just enough weight to keep my neck from diving. But the neck dive wasn't too bad on mine in the first place. -Cheers
Great idea, going with your concept, you could also attach a clip to hook to your belt loop if you don't wear a belt...✌️
The best inventions are simple solutions to common problems. Every guitar player has experienced neck dive. Fantastic solution! If you are selling one, I am buying!
I had that problem on two guitars. On the SG I have sewn a few (thin, flexible) lead plates into the back of the strap. On a Stagg Tele clone I have sewn a rougher piece of strap on the inside of the regular strap. An older strap had remained close to a lamp for years, that's where I hung the guitar. The light, and probably UV's and some infrared, made the strap dry and brittle so it broke, but a long eough piece remained solid, and rougher than when it was new. That piece, about 50cm long, is so grippy it keeps the guitar motionless when I release it, but it moves if I want it to.
Thanks, Fran, great idea. Velcro might also work
Very cool and practical invention.
Yeah,
Cooking up a Fran song
In the Fran lab
For the Fran band
most excellent Fran!
I use to have a Gibson EDS-1275 Doubleneck. Loved the sound and being able to hop from 6-string and 12-string necks but it was a constant struggle keeping it in position. I even considered adding a counter-weight on the butt end but I eventually just got sick of the struggle and sold it.
Great idea! The only other alternative I can think of is to attach the strap at the headstock with string.
Cool idea! I wish I 'd had one back in the 90s when I played an old Firebird.
Thanks for sharing. Angus Young did a lot of modifying to his early SGs. And many have addressed the neck dive issue. I have a couple of ideas for my own use. Keep thinking.
In the 10th grade (1977) , about 4 weeks before the high school
talent contest, my strap slipped off and the neck took a dive
for the floor and upon contact, the head broke off.
It was a very heavy electric Carvin and I was not too pleased about this event.
I did glue it back on and win 3rd place in the talent contest,
but soon afterwards it broke off again.
Anyway, after that, every guitar I owned had 2 straps.
I always added that 2nd one to avoid a repeat
of this painful childhood memory.
College came along and my guitar days ended
as I fell in love with...computers.
By the way, you sure wear that thing very low.
Best wishes,
-- North Central Florida
-- 7.16.2023
Very clever, Fran. Cheers.
Ingenious!
That's a briliant idea!
I love the new intro music!
I'd fucking love a Fran Band concert near me...any chance for 2024 tours? Cheers Fran, you are the absolute best!
Great design! Love it 🙂
Brilliant! I am currently waiting on my new SG to arrive from the Gibson Custom Shop, so I will probably end up getting one of these.
Well whoever you get the strap from, make sure they kick some of that $$$ back to me.
@@FranLab 100%! Will do. 😄🤘🏻
Been meaning to sub,but this is reason enough,along with other things over the years.
Welcome back, who needs a band when you have Fran?
Brilliant invention Fran.
Such a great hack. Awesome.
I loved every minute of this video
And have never seen an SG stay up
Great idea 🏆
That is an awesome idea!
I moved the strap button to the tip of the cutaway alleviating most of the problem. The main issue is the way the twist still torques my upper back. I have an Epiphone SG Modern that is a phenomenal guitar, rings like a bell completely stock.
Thank you so much!
Ha! Niiiiiice to see you back! Megaton of kisses and hugs
Thank you
That's pretty slick...
And if the person isn't wearing a belt, a small carabiner (attached to the guitar strap) could clip onto a belt loop in the same manner.
This is brilliant.
Lov it!! Out of Control ,,Rock and Roll!! Cheers!;-)!
I am so glad the mystery of, "the neck dive" is solved for me! Thank you. ;I am planning to build a thunderbird style bass and in the course of my research I came across this term, "neck dive" but never any other information concerning it! I thought it may have had something to do with how high up the fretboard the body "dives'..?? away? Shit idk, but NOW I DO know! COOL! lol thank you.
Frantastic idea.
If I played my SG Standard often enough (prefer my Les Paul & Strats more) I would modify a strap so that it didn't slide on my shirt so easily with a material that has more friction than usual, but your idea looks like it works pretty well.
Great idea