Charles Barkley: KD is a 'follower,' Shaq: Dame, Giannis are 'being too nice' | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- During the NBA All-Star Game's Simulcast, Charles Barkley said that Devin Booker has to lead the Phoenix Suns to compete since Kevin Durant is a "follower, not a leader." After the East's victory, Shaquille O'Neal advises Damian Lillard and Giannis Antetokounmpo to stop "being too nice .. they're going to have to grab some people by their necks." Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes react to the TNT analysts' comments.
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Charles Barkley: KD is a 'follower,' Shaq: Dame, Giannis are 'being too nice' | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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why is it that you can't put the full show up? why can't you show the highlights you show on tv? Why is an asian teenager doing better than a billion dollar company? Put up the full video for those of us that cannot watch live..........
if Lebron played like he did before he won the scoring title, putting up Nearly 40 every night, then the Lakers will be unstoppable, that's the only piece that's missing in the Lakers, is the Lebron willing to be lebron Instead of being on cruise control
KD is a "follower", but he is 10x better than Barkeley.
@@alphabeta4028 tell me how is KD better than Barkley?
@@matthewgoderich4349 Oh, I'm sorry, did I hurt you bad 😂, maybe I exaggerated a bit. Does that make you feel better?
“What are we talking about?”
“EXACTLY!!!”
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭
What a shock. Ppl who were never taught what leadership is have no idea what it is. We have an entire generation who think Biden/Trump are legit leaders 😂😂
We just don’t have them anymore.
So ppl don’t even understand the conversation.
Leaders LEAD. And they INSPIRE others to follow. Fathers are supposed to LEAD their families. It aint about money etc, its about setting the tone and being consistently strong of character.
Highlight of the show today
These guys are fools
😂😂😂
KD knows who he is. He stays in his lane. You gotta respect that.
Absolutely correct, but he can't then call himself a worthy candidate for being in the GOAT conversation. KD is who he is: an all time great player, third best of his generation, gifted scorer! But he is a number two, not no.1. He's a robin and not batman. He's slightly underachevied in his career given his huge skillset and being a seven footer with no offensive weakness, for the most part. I've said it in the past: give anyone else a seven foot frame with handles and a smooth J -- they are winning far more than two rings in two decades. And those two rings came at the courtesy of Steph and the Warriors.
KD is a leader, he just isn't a vocal leader. He leads by training, and doing the tasks that he is given. He leads by example which is the cornerstone and foundation of every leader. He just doesn't coach or inspire every player on his roster with words. This is fine, there are other people who do that.
Also Nick left out Chris Paul. And Nick's definition of a leader is a sorry excuse for the word. You don't have to win a championship to be a leader, nor do you have to be the best player which many NBA players have stated multiple times but it falls on deaf ears for him.
@@ralx225bthat’s not a leader. And what is “leading by example” doing your job? Leadership isn’t just going in and working out, it’s when you engage everyone and make sure they do also. Part of leadership is. Management. Kd never manages anyone beyond himself,
Very true… more people need to do that and stop pretending they got what it takes in them
No he took the freeway
Refreshingly great take from Nick on KD.
I love the switch to nba talk
Thank god. NFL for 9 months is boring. Colin sucks.
yeah it's annoying they can't mix it in more, way too many cowboys and chiefs segments. Also frustrating because I know Nick and Brou pay attention to the NBA @@lionelgrisbane-ud87
@@lionelgrisbane-ud87 17 games vs 82 games?? Hmm i dont hate basketball but it gets boring fast especially when it gets nice outside lol.
Yeah i love the chinese basketball association talk 🙄
Might be Nick's best basketball take.
Because he didn’t discredit kd😂
Being a “leader” is a fake stat created by the media to discredit players they don’t like. Because there’s nothing you can say about KD’s basketball skill so they keep harping on this bs. It’s beyond stupid.
@@skillethead15 i wonder would you say the same about goat James when people criticize him or question his leadership 🤔🤔
@@skillethead15 I agree, why does charles keep bringing this nonsense up, what is the problem he has with kd. Where was he a leader on the teams he was on. I.normally get mad at shaq for always bringing up Barkley never won a ring. Both shaq and Barkley can be petty and seem vindictive at times
@@devontacosby8593 True but I feel like anyone that questions Lebron as leader at this point is just trolling. He has won with 3 different franchises and multiple cast as the main guy.
that nick take was fire
Burner
@daveczarnik6017 wildes has the burners, pay attention.
Brousssard immediate answer was Ty Lue for Clippers.. That was his honest answer.. Im not letting him get away with anything else..
What?
Barkley goes on every networks to tell its audience don’t be a fan of KD he is a follower every year. We get the NBA promotes Lebron and Curry more but going to fans to say this player is so great but just a follower is hate at the highest level.
People mistake leadership with just being LOUD! Drayton has moments when he shows sparks of leadership. Yet his mouth also prevents him from being leader. Cause good or bad or on topic or off he had an opinion. Leaders know when to speak and when to stay silent.
i prefer leadership like curry and duncan style
Agreed. It's like they lead in silence
Draymond isn't a not the leader. Watch and see if Draymond tells Steph or Klay anything he leads them youths. Steph not following Draymond
The fact they hardly did any nba segments during the nfl season is odd. Wasn’t like that before
It’s because the nba isn’t as entertaining anymore
Numbers don’t lie, most people don’t start watching NBA until after the Super Bowl.
The NBA has failed drastically with promotion this year. NFL and to a lesser extent CFB has taken them to school ratings wise this year.
@@fahimabrar277nah that's def not it, it's just become more global. Football dominates the USA while the NBA has transitioned into a bigger deal worldwide.
@@ptyten9718 NBA has progressively gotten more and more boring since the 2020 season and isn’t as big of a draw to most fans in the US
How tf is Dame a leader? Dude’s never had any pressure on him his whole career and as soon as he’s asked to play championship level basketball the man can’t perform. Stop the cap Chris!
Exactly!!!!
Most pressure he's had in his whole career is now & that's kinda sad
Dame is overrated…all fluff…when it counts though where is he
No KD, just him and CJ vs Steph and Klay, and they went home after 3 games
Chris broussard hates kd
So glad to see FTF talking about basketball again. 🎉
How you are even doubting Jokic leadership? Guy was standing at the timeout shouting at everyone and everybody sat there and listen.
Malone is the denver leader lol, jokic is at best like steph...teammates respect him but most of the time jokic will not raise his voice
Jokić is like Tim Duncan, silent leader and Malone is Popp @@eddardstark6179
Man stop jokic doesn't lead them but he is a elite team player but if A.G or MPJ don't play that team DOESN'T WIN
@@704jizzle2You mean Murray dude, Murray plays out of his mind in the playoffs and they made wcf without AG
Jokic told his teammates to step tf up.
I like nicks take cuz there’s really not much leaders lmao, KD has led his team to the finals with the thunder even if we don’t like his move to the warriors
Giannis was never one either
Thank you. At 23!!!
Youre not a leader just because you lost a finals. He hasnt won a thing without steph curry but steph curry has won twice without him
@@universe-ie2mkok and. The facts are he lead a team to the finals. Y’all were calling lebron a leader before he went to Miami
@@Renegade-kf8fp Giannis is the leader of the Bucks vocally and with his play how is he not a leader? He runs that team. That’s why his brother is still there and the minute he suggested he may leave they made a trade for Dame.
If Jokic isn’t a leader then neither is Tim Duncan. Just because you don’t talk to the media doesn’t mean you aren’t a leader
Leadership is about example too. Duncan was a much better defensive player than Jokic and inspiring his teammates to give more effort on that end.
Murray is the clear alpha of the nuggets
@@prolific1518yall always hate on the players that look like jokic, you'll always choose the closest black dude over the white guy
bot this is a bad take. Duncan was a great leader and iykyk if you dont maybe you didnt follow the spurs.
@@prolific1518 that's hilarious
This segment exposes that the average person has no idea what leadership actually is.
These shows aren't about average people giving basketball takes. This segment exposes sports media figures having zero idea what leadership is.
Thank goodness somebody understands this. Nobody knows what leadership really is. The fact that people keep trying to say KD isn't one shows us this daily. KD's leadership has been the only thing people could criticize him for during his Warriors days, so the media and KD haters took that narrative and ran with it.
@@smoothsavage2870well he should’ve never said it
Nick made a great point
Nick's my boy, but every since kD called him Niki, you can't pay Nick to say one bad thing about kD. Before then he was killing kd😂😂😂
lol when was this
Its crazy how the biggest "negative" against KD isn't really basketball related. He is a weapon to be used in the coaches system. That is basketball.
Leadership is basketball related. Please stop speaking.
@@kerrydaniels8460he is a leader in a basketball sense. PPL have blamed kd for roles/duties that are usually related to the GM and owner. ex. blaming him for kyrie not getting vaccinated.
@@2cents250 He is a coward in the basketball sense. Shrunk in biggest moment and ran rather than lead his team to a championship he ran like a coward. He had a team with 3 MVP's and up 3-1 and still ran. He's a coward.
You can't be a coward and lead.
That’s like saying Batman is a follower because he the least powerful person in the justice league
🤣🤣
Except we have 1 million examples of Batman being the best leader, Durant went to the Warriors because people said he didn't have rings. He left the Warriors because people said he couldn't win on his own, he went to the Nets over the Knicks because Kyrie said so. Kyrie leaves the team then Kevin leaves as well. He goes to the Suns and a younger player is seen as more as the leader. Those situations doesn't seem like alpha leader qualities.
Not a lot of people have a supportive mechanism like Batman’s
Alfred
Jim Gordon
Rest of batfamily
And list goes on and on
@@Renegade-kf8fp wasn't always this way....He started off as a loner.. go watch batman year 2
So many Robins have died…are we really thinking Batman’s a great leader?
That leader debate made no sense, they always bring up to put down KD
Apparently there is only one way to lead according to these talking heads. When was Charles Barkley ever a leader…does a leader spit on fans and declare to the world he is not a role model? FOH!!! KD leads by example!!
"Apparently there is only one way to lead according to these talking heads."
Pretty sure they said there's several ways.
"When was Charles Barkley ever a leader"
Barkley was the leader of the Suns.
"does a leader spit on fans and declare to the world he is not a role model?"
Some leaders might do, and some don't. Apparently there is only one way to lead according to you.
That’s a take on KD that really needed to be said. How many of these leaders that we’re asking KD to be are there in the league?
KD leads by example. The consistency, the work ethic even in a practice setting. If you don’t follow a model of success, you’re silly.
Don’t forget about how wants to traded when things aren’t going well. That’s a follower if I ever saw one 😂
@@ps5gaymerhe only been traded once in his career. Come on bro. Barkley been traded twice.
@@londyn9198he’s been traded twice
@@ohnah6261once
KD is a coward not a leader. You have no clue wtf a leader is since you think being a coward is leadership.
Bird lead by example , KD doing the same . You dont have to shout on your teammate or throw them under the bus to be a leader . You can lead by example , your work ethic . Having a strong personality does not mean you are a leader .
The whole narrative of a leader is a joke lmao they make it seem Like they know what’s happening in the locker room 😂
I agree, but I wonder why people don’t keep the same energy when goat James leadership is getting criticize
It would show on the court.
@@devontacosby8593 I’m not one who does but I imagine they’re the same ones who criticize everyone else without basis.
@@djnes2k7 articulate that, how?
Case in point...the year Lakers won the 2020 Finals they had a guy that rode the bench & whose career was coming to an end...Jared Dudley. Lebron wanted him around because he was a good motivator in the locker room.
“We’re banging on Durant!” IS CRAZY! 😯😂
NBA is back im back. Best show out there period missed hearing them so bad bro
How many “leaders” have there really been in NBA history? Cause Barkley and Shaq weren’t leaders either, so what are we even talking about?
Barkley was a leader. MJ was a leader. Kobe was like MJ. Draymond Green has been a leader. Donovan Mitchell is a leader.
@@penkima4923how was he a leader? spitting on kids? he was a loser. what did he do that kd didnt? he was overweight undisciplined.
'I'm a leader. I don't know how to follow.' Magic Johnson
Post football depression is a real problem 😢
If you are a football fan yeah
I was sick of chiefs talk I’m ready for NBA to ramp up
Bro, yesterday was the longest day of my life
@@charliesheen17 go chiefs. 😊
@@Axecarter91 I'm ready to end it bro 😭
I love how Nick casually says "wildes just 9 months ago you were bringing a live deer to the set..." and wildes says "yeah" like that's just normal haha
What is a leader in the NBA? We don't know what's said at practice.. what's said in the locker room... The "leader " of any given team could realistically be a name we wouldn't mention
Exactly
Except we do know some of the things that are being said in locker rooms.
@@penkima4923like we must believe shane diesel did an4l with ur sister We should believe that, cuz someone say so?
Thank you Nick!
Awesome show, thank you!
Jason Tatum needs to catch the type of heat Carmelo used to catch since he’s losing with ACTUAL championship rosters
yep...plus he has weaker competition than melo had.
Melo literally never got passed the 2nd round when he was with the Nuggets. And when he got to the Knicks, he made it to just one ECF during that whole time (and no Finals appearances). Tatum’s already been to multiple ECFs and got to the Finals at just age 23. Stop the hate, it doesn’t look good one you.
@@ke3p1tco0l2 Don't talk about hate, if you think basketball is a 1v1 game.
@@ke3p1tco0l2 facts don’t look good on u either..Melo was in the WCF against Kobe…never went to the ECF…Tatum Larry Bird or MJ himself isn’t taking Carmelo’s Knicks rosters anywhere…..Tatum is out here losing EVERY year with a team picked to win it all…..u NEVER picked that Knick roster to do anything
@@wisethabrain1100 Fair enough, I'm willing to admit where I was wrong , and that was total oversight by me in forgetting Melo's WCF vs Lakers. I also confused the ECF for the semifinal vs Pacers. But my overall point remains: That's just 1 conference final. Tatum is just 25 years old and has already accomplished more in the playoffs than Melo did for his entire career. Those are facts.
KD prides himself in being a plug and play guy. He can show up and hoop with anybody, and it’s pretty dang cool.
Barkley followed multiple stars to Phoenix and Houston!!!! Nothing he says holds weight to me😂😂😂😂
What stars in phoenix lol. He went to the rockets when he was past his prime.
@@jaydell4039 Kevin Johnson and Dan Marley were All Stars before and after Barkley!!!! Went to the Finals with Phoenix unlike Houston!!!!
Dame is a leader 😂😂😂
Dumbest take
These players make way too much money. So leaders really don't exist . If I'm making 20 million dollars or more , I'm listening to no player . That's the reality.
Strongest personality doesn't necessarily mean they're a leader. Giannis!! The way the Bucks have faltered the last few playoffs and this season.
And how do injuries reflect lack of leadership? Middleton was out two playoffs ago and Giannis himself was injured for the Miami series.
I can't name a team since the Knicks that have won without their top two players - and that wasn't for a series. If you can't name 3, you really have no argument.
Historically, healthy teams go further in playoffs. That's true in all sports, for a reason.
These cats just wanna talk everybody knows Milwaukee was injured
Chuck a goof ball for making that statement out of nowhere.. and Broussard will ALWAYZ take a stance AGAINST KD. Hes been taking things personal since KD called him a liar in 2019.
Haha you’re mad bc a couple folks have a bad thing to say about KD 😢😢 it’s not that serious man we all know KD is a great great player
Being a strong personality doesn’t make you a good leader. It doesn’t even make you a leader. Leaders tend to do, not speak.
"Leaders tend to do, not speak."
I doubt this is based on anything else than you just claiming this.
He said “bucket getter” and I sprinted across the room to see if Nick was about to get fired! Didn’t sound like bucket! 😂
Honestly I’m tired of talking about if guys are leaders or not. Some of the greatest leaders in the sport never even touched a ring.
how is the Steph thing weird Nick?? he literally did everything listed as Nick's "criteria" less than two years ago tf
Nick was spitting per usual 💯! He’s been bashed for years basically for no reason. His work ethic effort and determination sets the example and it’s always been that way since okc
"Steph is a question ⁉️ wtf???
Kevin Durant is a legend.Shame on anyone that doesn't know this!!!!
Still not a leader.
@@blaketindle4703 The point of the video was, it's hard to say. Some leaders lead by example.
The pick and roll only works if the roller has the ability to bud mid range jump shots. If not, the defender will just press up for a charge
Thank you Nick
Dame is a leader!? Lmaoooo
I agree 100!!
Nick may be the first person I've seen discuss the Bucks with some amount of level-headedness and logic. Kudos to you.
Where they leading their team. Nick is 💯% right.
Who made Barkley the gatekeeper for judging how a star leads their team to a championship? If this was magic, Shaq , Isiah Thomas or somebody like that I’d have no problem plus KD has been in the league 15+ years give it up bruh
Who made you question Barkley as a gatekeeper?
Nick purposely not bringing up Steph almost immediately lol
Kd led okc to the finals at 23
Or was it, KD didn't lead anything. He just did his thing.
He scored OKC to the Finals with Russ. Had he actually been a leader they wouldn't have been pretty much swept.
They came back on San Toni to win series down 3-2 then face Miami that’s tough they were gassed it was a lot of tougher defense then n Russ was like a out patient with the basketball like mistakes left n right kd was mature for his age in basketball years Russ was not mature but if Russ was who he is now replaced back in okc them dudes woulda swept them boys Kd was high scorer n mood starter he rocked okc stadiums stop it stop
Warriors were 73-9 n fumbled the chip they couldn’t even seal it that’s why mj was special
Basketball is back!! Nick is as good as it gets when it comes to talking NBA.
Doing it together is a leader n stating ur worth is a leader he doesn’t second guess himself
I think Nick needs to catch up on his basketball. The reason the bucks are not as valued as they were when they first got dame is because he has made them a borderline awful defensive team.
Giannis is the leader of that team, and he has laxed on defense this season.
Curious how Steph “sets the culture”, when it seems like there’s always something going on in Golden State? Not tryna hate, genuinely curious
Right. After Draymond did what he did to Jordan Poole, Steph was just minding his business while it happened next to him. He wasn't standing up to Draymond and honestly, I think KD is the only Warrior who probably has. Dennis Rodman had his issues, but MJ wasn't gonna let him go unchecked.
Klutch media. What else? Draymond fought with Kd then Kd left. Punched Promising Poole after winning the Chip, Poole got traded next year nor to forget how badly he played in 2022 Finals, kerr benched him in in 4 the quarter of the pivotal game 4. Draymond is a mole in warriors system planted by LeMedia klutch
They look at the record but nobody looks at the potential of this Bucks team right now. Since Doc has started to coach there, they have a top 10 defense in the league in those stretch of games despite not having Dame or Middleton in multiple games during that stretch. Giannis is by far the best player in the East and the most consistent. Dame has had a horrible shooting stretch with Doc but shooting is on and off, that’s not something you can coach players to do and Dame seems to have locked on in Allstar weekend. They have the 2 most trustworthy players in the playoffs for the entire conference. They have been the best team in clutch situations this season and their clutch defensive numbers are amazing.
People talk about the Bucks bench production being bad but the Celtics are even more dependent on their starting 5 than the Bucks are. The Bucks have an incredible home record. They have 2 of the 3 best players in the conference with Embiid injured. They are the only team with a core that has proven to get it done in the conference.
They hate to see what Milwaukee can be with so much time left and they show it in the games but people just like to look at the win and losses in this little stretch of games they had.
I mean…all Charles did was acknowledge what we all knew already. He’s right. He should be more of a leader but it’s not his personality. 🤷🏽♂️
A leader is someone who serves or take one for the team. I think KD has fulfilled that role nicely
@@ChickasawMal28_ with the suns?
No he is on his way out ,, he is 35 let the young people in
@@ChickasawMal28_KD is the opposite of that. He runs like a coward rather than doing that. A coward is the opposite of a leader, thus as KD is a coward he cannot be a leader.
@@kerrydaniels8460what you talking about are you not watching the games just cause he not screaming n yelling don’t mean nun my coach told me that a real man character is when nobody is around
As a Wisconsin sports fan it is incredible that both the Bucks and Badgers are ruining my mental state at the same time
Nick having to root for another Doc Rivers team this will be fun!
The team's most talented player being derided for not also being the team leader is as foul a rap is deriding a football QB for being a "game manager." Those persons should be applauded for correctly assessing and maximizing their strengths - playing within themselves - versus obsessing over pushing against criticism, counter to their predisposition, for not living up to some concocted "goalpost move" by a non-stakeholder that a requisite attribute MUST be reflected in the athlete's arsenal, or otherwise acknowledgment of the athlete for what the athlete does well is actually even withheld. Haven't seen yet where "style points" portended outcome.
Any player can be the leader of a team. The highest scorer and the lowest scorer. A leadership void is on the general manager.
If you can shove anyone into a leadership position I think LA would have already done that and more for AD. Leadership is a skillset, if KD doesn't have it then why force it? It's a huge help, but it's not required.
Dame has shot like 30% from the field in most of his games this year, don’t know if we can just say that he’s gonna be clutch
Part of me can't wait till football season is over sometime so I can actually listen to Nick diving in on basketball which he's s so good at
To think that Steph isn’t the leader in GSW is wild!
Lol exactly they think bc Draymond loud he the leader which shows they don't know basketball
EVERYONE should watch videos of Leadership. Ppl are confusing leadership with strong pernality and having a vommanding presence.
To say tatum is not a leader but then to say ant is a leader is the wildest take ive heard. The team was literally built around tatum. Has LEAD his team to sweep multiple of these so called “leaders” in the playoffs. He doesn’t have a chip yet yes but lets not act like KD didnt have to join a superteam to win a ring
Nick is off here. Kawhi is more of a leader than KD. Guys like PG13 and Norm Powell followed him to LA. Steph is a leader. Iggy literally lost to him in the playoffs and instantly wanted to join. Players don’t follow KD (which is Barkley’s point). It’s the other way around…he follows Steph, and then Kyrie.
GSW is one of the teams we actually know that Dray is clearly the leader of the team, and definitely not Steph.
@@penkima4923 If you ask Draymond, I'm fairly sure he would tell you Steph leads the Warriors. Maybe Draymond leads the locker room on a day-to-day basis, but it's like any other job, your supervisor leads day-to-day, your supervisor's bosses lead the company. Steph is the guy above the supervisor.
@@kennethko1534 They reason Dray can swing and choke other players, and not get any repercussions from the team's leader, is because Dray is the leader himself.
@@penkima4923 Or perhaps it's b/c Draymond is more important than Poole and that Steph is focused on the bottom line of winning. Have you seen Poole play in Washington? Steph probably thinking good riddance. Good thing I chose Draymond over Poole while also keeping my name, reputation and brand clean throughout this dicey situation.
Kinda crazy saying Dame is a better leader than KD, or even a leader at all, when he’s completely useless if his shot isn’t falling. His defense is trash, he’s not a good rebounding guard, and on O he doesn’t even move without the ball, so it’s not like he’s drawing defenders with off-ball movement. To me, that’s the exact opposite of a leader. I expect a leader to do what it takes to win: shot not falling, defend at a high level and distribute on O…do the little things. Dame does NONE of that. At least KD will defend and rebound
It must’ve been someone else leading OKC during their infancy and GS in those back to back title wins?
Do they think jokic isnt a leader? Thats just pure hating. Jokic has his team playing with military like discipline, dont dare say its the coach whose the leader. Just because jokic dont talk a lot doesn't mean hes not a great leader.
Nick Wright is Nikola Jokic’s biggest hater of all time. I’m not surprised he didn’t consider him a leader. I would definitely say according to Nicks definition Jokic “was the best player on a championship team and got people to follow him”.
Everything to y’all glazers is now hating 🤦🏾♂️
@@goatstatusj5112 I'm white, what's a glazer?? Lol. But seriously what is it? You don't think jokic is a leader?
@@Joseph-xt3el at the end of the day nobody knows who the leader of any team is it could be jokic, kcp or even reggie jackson just because you are the best player on your team does not make you the leader.
He said it's not a complete list. I don't think they went into this segment to create a compendium of NBA leaders. The segment was about KD.
I thought Nick said the two words that rhyme with bucket.
Sadly, now that the KC love fest of NFL football is over this show will now be LeBaby and the Lakers for 58 minutes out of their hour show. You'll get maybe 1 blurb a week about something else.
Draymond is just the loud mouth. He’s not the leader!
Steph is 100% the leader.
Go and check kd teammates comments this year for the suns and see what they say who one of the leaders are. Eric Gordon, dbook, gracin Allen. You all are not researching anything regarding this topic except your feelings towards KD.
What are we even talking about
This is relevant because kd keeps bringing up how he not in the goat convo
I heard KD answer a question from an interviewer on his GoaT-case one time. Haven't heard him brought it up since?
Shaq and Chuck are saying the same thing they've been saying for years. The effort is not there, and players aren't working on what they've been missing for years.
Think the question is about him LEADING a team to a championship. He hasn’t. He rode coattails. Lebron lead Cleveland. Steph lead GS. Jokic lead Denver. Giannis lead Milwaukee. Need I go on?
Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless service, Honor, Integrity, Personal courage. LDRSHIP.
I think of draymond more as an enforcer and steph is the guy everyone follows
During the dynasty Dray called all the shots on and off the court.
@@penkima4923 Draymond don't call no shot on court and especially off Draymond wouldn't be on the court or league without Steph being able to play off ball and what shots Draymond calling without Steph approval on or off??????
how when steph wasnt the key playmaker or the vocal leader on defense?
This is when the real NBA season starts, 30 games or less everything matters now 😈
1) KD started this conversation a couple of weeks back when he inserted himself in the all time GOAT conversation, which was completely ridiculous for him to do.
2) Jokic and Kawhi are better leaders than KD.
This been a fact!!
I feel like Iggy was actually the locker room leader Steph leads with his play and Draymond is the instigator that annoys the other team and sometimes his own team. They had no guy that led in every facet like a Jordan or Lebron but that’s ok because it worked at their peak still.
Iggy was the voice like udonis haslem
@@billbelicheat4499 Yeah the Vet that held everyone accountable.
After Iggy left, Dray was clearly the leader of the team.
Lebron only leads in building Superteams
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In the later clip, it looks like Dame has horns
What are we talking about 😆 🤣!!
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Nick's argument was great...but...
Look at most of the recent conference finalists and NBA finalists... Lakers, Nuggets, Warriors, Heat, Bucks, Celtics...
Strength of personality and leadership are requisites...
"Strength of personality and leadership are requisites"
There's some strong personalities. But possibly zero strong leaders on those teams.
Nuggets … analogy flawed
Steph is a leader, draymond is the mouthpiece. Like a right hand of the king
😂😂 No Bruh Draymond The Leader Fasho. He Does More Then Just Score Curry Just Scores Thats It. Literally
@@PMKruagree to disagree. Curry doesnt "just" score.
@@PMKru steph is the engine behind the team...
he doesn't just score lol
the whole things falls apart without him
@@DavidLee-vp3nr Those things don't necessarily make a leader. And in this case, Dray is the leader, not Steph.
@@penkima4923 Maybe vocal...rahh rahhh type of guy..
but steph is the engine
The question nobody is asking "was Chuck a leader"
I love how the fox network has turned on Kawhi since he’s been available for 90% of the games and is doing great, keep it up, I remember 2014 and 2019 as well, we keepin receipts