What I got Wrong About Decaf
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- čas přidán 25. 02. 2024
- Corrections and addendums to add to my previous video explaining the world of decaf.
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Fussy and nitpicky about coffee is exactly why I'm here. Please don't stop being both.
100%
Agreed.
This. Seconded.
Could not have said this better myself
THIS
Corrections and andendums are exactly what a make a great enthusiast channel.
Corrections and addenda what science does when we learn something new. Kudos to James for his honesty and dedication to the truth!
Better to do than to not, thats for sure. But a massive channel like James Hoff should have the mind to reach out to the reasearchers during the intial video planning and discovery stage.
Info over ego. Big ups.
Also big ups to Dr Samo Smrke
@@HariSeldon. Corrections and addenda *ARE* what science does....
Thank you so much for reading, and I hope you have a great day.
@@ThunderGoatz In an ideal world with infinite time and resource, I'm sure the video would be higher quality and more accurate. But in reality, it may have taken much longer for James and in turn ourselves to learn the truth if the intial video wasn't made. Who knows how long it would have taken for James to be in contact with Dr Samo if the initial video wasn't published. Science is trial and error, and while we can do our best to plan and discover there will always be errors and more trials.
This is why I love scientific communities like this because an essay that essentially boils down to "You're wrong" is accepted, appreciated, and celebrated instead of leading to petty online fights. The more information we know, the better, thanks for putting this video out to continue the knowledge that's out there about decaf!
Hear, hear.
That's just how normal, educated adults are. Even in normal life. The internet has just perpetuated the "angry kid" vibe that if you tell they're wrong its a fight.
For full effect, the online fight would lead with "your wrong". But otherwise in agreement.
That’s assuming this other scientist is right. Which… who knows. Using information on the basis of one scientist’s research is pretty flawed.
@@conorfurlonga scientist having knowledge and having studied a topic, which is not really publivally available is still a great source of information and should be value more than a random reddit post. But yes, nothing should be blindly trusted.
It’s a real shame that 99% of the other CZcams posters don’t hold themselves to this level of honesty, accuracy and self-scrutiny.
That’s for sure!
I don't watch 99% of CZcams channels, most of the ones I follow will be this meticulous.
Accuracy?
I'd say the vast majority of people don't.
Tom Scott was another one who used to often do this.
As a decaf drinker I’m so glad you are focussing on decaf and it’s amazing to see you talking about this and making these amendments and addenda is a huge part of why we are all here 😊
Seriously! I love coffee, but the caffeine hits me harder than most folks. I need to go decaf a couple weeks out of every few months, to reset. And taper off of standard coffee by mixing in more and more decaf. Getting quality info on making delicious decaf is priceless.
Having a heart condition I am told I should avoid caffeine 😕. I haven’t had caffeine for several years but still”
Sorry, still love my coffee, thank you James. I am still looking for that perfect espresso but I’m getting there and quite by chance I tried a finer bring and guess what? I am getting closer ❤
*grind. (Having a bad day!)
@@SamBrownBaudot I drank about 2 litres of coffee a day back in the mid 2000's whilst at work...about 2010 I started getting heart palpitations every time I had a coffee, gave up the caffeine and it all stopped. Not had caffeine since and all ok....hoping these videos will help me find better coffee. Currently using the 'Decadent Decaf Coffee Company' that use the Swiss Water Method, which is really good, but would like to try others
A CZcamsr who admits their mistakes. A gem to be treasured!
The CGPGrey of coffee!!
Admitting errors and addressing them is absolutely the right thing to do. As a scientist in industry, I and my peers (should) hold ourselves to high standards but mistakes do get made.
It happens and there's a temptation to continually berate ourselves over it.
Providing there are no serious outcomes from that error then it's a learning experience, we correct and we move on, hopefully improved.
There were no serious outcomes here.
Thank you (and the team) for these videos.
Even if there are serious consequences, still a learning experience.
Something I was taught in college when doing research papers was "There's nothing wrong about being wrong" (within reason, obviously). Being wrong like this lets someone else who is more educated step in and teach you information you were missing, which should ALWAYS be the goal. We're all here to be super nit-picky about hot brown bean juice, and this furthers that knowledge quest and I for one am here for it
@@apocalypse487 true, just it's more difficult to process
Perhaps the Post Office should read this!
@@jace75It's part of the process of learning. There's no such thing as the home run in learning. You can't get it right first time unless you already have the knowledge to do so. So you have to get things wrong to identify the gaps in your knowledge. If you can accept that, it will give you back the joy in experimenting. Allow yourself the room to learn more by embracing the second best teacher after a good storyteller, and that's failure. If you don't fail, if you don't ask questions of your failures, you're not going anywhere. You're actually not growing. You become stuck. Don't let fear or ego cheat you of the joy of being surprised in a nice way. Stay curious. Stay open to constructive critique It will keep you young.
As someone who can no longer have caffeine, I’m so happy to see decaf content on your channel. I still love coffee and look forward to seeing your segments on the decaf process.
not sure he has been publishing for that long :) (minor typo)
@@tomdupree2758 haha. That was a good typo! Thanks for noticing.
I'm excited to see the factory tours!!
You have my respect as a man who not only admits when he got it wrong, but does so publicly, calling attention to your "mistakes", and thanking the person who corrected you. Imagine how much better our world would be if everyone took this approach!
No harm, no foul. We are just glad you are making more videos.
yes!
And he is glad we watch, as it's more revenue!
Can't wait for the decaf tours...! Thank you!
I've actually found myself drinking more decaf since watching your video. Keep up the great work!
Same here
Same
I been switching to decaf at noon for some time now so I can't say that my consumption has gone up. But I can say that my enjoyment has.
Me too. I didn’t know what the “swiss water french roast decaf” beans at my local grocery store meant until the decaf video.
Same here
Based in your last video I bought my first pack of decaf. A pretty good one at that. All I can say: It grinds exactly the same as regular (in a Uniform) and brews exactly like regular (in a V60) - it’s among the best coffees I’ve ever had and I thank you for expanding my coffee horizon.
Would love to know which roaster/ decaf coffee you are praising!!
@@elliez7269 It's Hermetic Coffee in Hamburg, Germany. I got their regular filter coffe. I don't know to where they ship though.
@@chrismarquardt thanks so much !!
VERY excited about the 3 decaf method tours
As a decaf drinker, medically required, these few videos have been nice. I've had a similar experience in having to grind a bit finer to get best results, but only a tiny bit finer. Can not wait for the process plant video(s)!
same here i use filters that have a restricted flow . because alot of precision filters are for lighter roasts and allow faster flow . but some restrict flow for darker roasts . those are great for decaf since you can then grind coarser to get in the right time and ratio . meaning you will get less bitter shots (finer grind can often over extract). made my decaf shots sweet without needing to make 20g shots haha
As a coffee nerd and former academic I love how you dealt with this! Yeah I think more people should admit where they made mistakes. Absolutely love this video and all of your content!
It is nice that you went back and added the correction information to the decaf video, with it below the fold, not as many people are going to notice it on both desktop and mobile. Perhaps a pinned comment might be helpful in showing greater transparency. Otherwise love the work and the channel, all of you put a lot of love and effort into it and it shows! :D
Yet another demonstration of how deserving you, James, are of the respect you have garnered from your audience-myself included. Looking forward to the decaf tours!
Thank you! Since I recently had to switch to decaf because of some medication I need to take, I am very very grateful for every video you make about it. Even more so in times where it's becoming harder to trust online sources and search engines by the day.
The fact that James is so open about making mistakes only makes me love his work more. Thank you for always being so honest and transparent!
The level at which you care about transparency and information is just outstanding and amazing. I truly admire you for it, and hopefully it affects just a little part of the world. Stay strong!
Super excited for the decaf tours! I'm transitioning away from caffeinated drinks to reduce general anxiety, so I'd love to learn more about how decaf works to get the best out of those cups.
Hey James, after your positive decaf video I went and bought some good quality decaf green beans, gave them a nice and light roast in my home setup, and the result was a very sweet, chocolatey and smooth cup.
A lot better than I had imagined.
Now I can enjoy coffee in the evenings as well!
More videos from James Hoffmann are always welcome and a blessing.
This is why we trust you---you care about accuracy and truth.
Thank you for being serious about journalistic integrity. So many channels would add a "corrections" at the bottom of the description in a video.
Doing corrections in the description comments, is still a lot better than ignoring mistakes entirely.
But yeah a follow up vid is even better.
How lovely it is that this channel brings together passionate people with friendly intentions from around the world for us all to learn more and understand better. ❤
I've recently returned to home espresso after a long spell with just a moka pot (which I've learned from James I was using very wrongly, hey ho) and I found the decaf video really interesting because as a side effect of cancer treatment I seem to have become extremely sensitive to caffeine.
I'm therefore going through the triple challenge of relearning espresso brewing, learning about all the things that have been invented since I was last paying attention (WDT tools, levellers, puck screens, weighing to 0.1g etc etc etc) AND getting to grips with decaf.
It's been great fun, much to the bemusement of my non-coffee-drinking wife, but I'm still not very happy with the shots I'm pulling, so I'm really keen to hear more about decaf and especially decaf brewing techniques.
Props for the corrections. It's a sign of a true seeker and propagator of knowledge to admit and correct your mistakes.
And this is why we love your channel! Thank you so much for making the coffee nerd community so much brighter and more informed!
Appreciate the transparency and definitely appreciate bringing the positives of decaf to light.
One of (the many) things I love about this channel is the commitment to integrity and clarity about the subject. It’s increasingly rare to find sources of information that aren’t solely driven by ‘creating content’.
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I can't wait to see your next decaf videos! I just recovered from covid and it attacked my heart, so I have had to switch to decaf. I still love my coffee and I really want to learn as much as I can from someone who I can trust to do the right thing!
Really interesting in learning more about decaf and I hope it gains more popularity so roasters put more effort in creating interesting decafs!
I love making a good coffee in the evening without worrying about having trouble getting to sleep.
The decaf video will forever have a special place in my heart because it was the one that started me on my coffee journey. ❤
(Thanks to YT realising that I would be totally into coffee even though I never watch anything related to food or drink 😂).
Kudos to James for having this level of accountability and for his thrive for excellence, on a level that even the companies that manufacture these products don't have
Absolutely mad respect for how you respond to being alerted about mistakes/criticisms. As a decaf drinker, I really appreciated the original video and I can't wait to see the tours of the various decaffeination processes!
Same!
As a decaf drinking I'm super excited for the decaf production tours! I'll be keeping and eye out for those videos!
Me too!
My regular cafe here in Melbourne Australia just closed down so I went to a new one today. Ordered my decaf latte and watched as the barista fossicked around in the shelf above the grinder and eventually found the Tupperware container full of pre-ground decaf coffee. A little part of me just dies whenever I witness that...anyone else with me?
And yes the coffee was banal to put it nicely. Keep up the good work @James Hoffman ... we need a quiet revolution...
Thanks for taking seriously expert's feedbacks! The previous video was extremely precious to me for a single point: storing decaf in the freezer! Game changer.
Awesome that we're finally getting more decaf stuff
Very well done. It’s not easy to apologise but all credit to you for having the courage and humility to do so. Your honesty and integrity is part of what makes your channel so successful. Keep up the great work!😊
Awesome about the decaf factory tours! So excited!
I found a local roaster that roasts light, medium, and dark roasts. They invite people to watch their roasting process every Thursday and they sell beans by the pound. They had a light medium decaf and because I no longer have a grinder had him grind it for me. He asked how I was going to brew it so he could choose the right grind size. He obviously took many factors into consideration: the fact that it was decaf, light medium roast, and would brew pour over because when I got home I was shocked to see that it was much finer than I thought it should be, but it brewed perfectly. So what you said about grinding decaf finer is my experience as well.
Updates are good! Thanks for the update
common James Hoffman W. As a half-caf drinker, I'm looking forward to more decaf videos! I just got into coffee a few years ago and love it, but I want to enjoy it without making my brain buzzy every time and developing a reliance on caffeine.
My dad is in a similar boat, half caf, he had always wondered why there aren't Roasters making blends for custom caffeine levels.
Although now that I think about it I suspect you would get mechanical layering/separation in the bag as well as the challenge of two different extraction profiles. Maybe a relatively darker roast on the caffeinated beans and relatively lighter roast on the decaf?
The humility involved in the way you address those mistakes is what coffe lovers and/or professionals love about your work. Thank you for your videos and for all effort, James. Regards from Chile!
Thank you for the follow up! Loved the other decaf video as well. I've pretty much given up on most caffeine for health reasons so decaf is all I got. Can't wait to see the in-depth videos on the different decaf processes. That sounds awesome!
Thanks for the detailed correction James.
Would love to see an interview with Samo in the future!
So excited for the factory tours!!
Super excited for those tours. On-location examination provides a lot of context to presented information.
Thanks, and looking forward to the factory tours!
Oh I am excited about the manufacturers agreeing to tour their facility! 🤩
Yes, thank you. I drink Swiss Water decaf about 20% of the time. I am really hoping to perfect my decaf brewing. Cheers!
Yet another CZcams that confirms my appreciation of your constant quest to produce quality and informative videos. I am glad to be a patron and look forward additional videos on decaf. Thank you and your staff.
Humble and gracious as always 😊
I signed up for a Decaf filter subscription based purely on your last video, so thank you and thank you for your amazing videos, I love being notified there is a new one to watch. This correction demonstrates why I value your content so highly.
Thank you for taking the time to film and edit an addendum. This has been such and interesting topic and I love having an enthusiast and scientist such as yourself delving into it on our behalf. So looking forward to the factory tours!
I wish you were able to name this video. I've learned a lot more about the decaf process and I'm excited about the things that's coming up. It's too bad that you had to call it an apology video. Your stuff's awesome.
Been trying and drinking way more Decaf since the last video. Keep it up - great to learn about new things.
It's always great to see when people admit errors. Can't wait for the decaf tours!
I am so glad you are ever more enthusiastic to dive into decaf coffee and the decaffeination process. Thank you for addressing errors and forging forward! You are doing this with integrity, and to me, this feels like the best parts of community working well.
I am beyond thrilled to see you talking about decaf! Thank you for including those of us who also drink decaf in your content.
This is the best way to issue corrections. A quick, short, descriptive video explaining the corrected information.
This is why I love watching your content.
I really did enjoy the other decaf video. I'd been interested to try decaf after realising how late in the day I was consuming coffee and the video inspired me to go out to one of my local roasters and pick up one of their decaf offerings. Thankfully the brewing process was very forgiving and the result still tasted really good. Highly recommend people shop local as you can get some fresh and interesting options 😊
Interesting. I grind my decaff beans at exactly the same fineness as full fat beans. Both give good shots. Looking forward to learning more about the different processes.
I just like the information and the way it’s presented. Thanks for striving to get it correct, and keep putting out the videos. They’re both entertaining and informative. And your “bad” video effort is still miles ahead of most “good” video efforts by other channels.
So impressed with your attitude to the truth, as well as correcting yourselves! I wish every channel were as honest as you guys! Well done! keep up the amazing work, really looking forward to the factory tour decaf videos!! Subscribed and liked! 👍
James, me and my husband both just adore you. Your commitment to quality and detail is still so amazing, even here. ❤️
OH MY GOSH I'm so excited for this project. I'm trying to move away from caffeine, but coffee is life, and anything that adds to the decaf conversation is a great step forward.
I also love that you're a part of the conversation, not just telling us things, but actually engaging with the things and taking us along
Top objectivity focus as always :) your openness to refinement of the things you've said is a great credit that so few share, least of all in social media. Looking forward to more decaf content!
This is the best CZcams apology video
Thank you for the update! As a caffeine sensitive person, look forward to every venture into learning about decaf!
Man, I absolutely can't wait to see the decaf tours. It's something I've long been interested in. I'd honestly love to see James go further into coffee processing in general by going to the farms, coops, etc.
I love the honesty of you. Thank you for being so transparent.
As always, thanks for the details and your thorough approach to the world of coffee.
Thank you for your transparency and willingness to admit that you got things wrong- a seemingly rare character quality these days! Also, I still love my decaf!
I am ecstatic to hear about the tours! Thank you as well for this video and you/your team's integrity!
I love the humility and informative nature of your videos. Not pretentious, no ego, just really informative and warm even. Science is best made when there are changes or further revisions/clarifications to said concept/subject, and I do see the science of coffee as just that: a science, albeit a fun (and tasty) one at that! It's great to see this addendum to your previous video, and I'm looking forward to videos on the factory tours soon!
I loved the original and value the correction. Brewing is very hard to get right and it’s hard to find information. The original helped me get it closer to correct. Can’t wait for more decaf content. Seems to be a great opportunity for deeper info.
In James Hoffmann we trust. Irrespective of right and wrong, love your work!
Fantastic response James and team, looking forward to the future videos on this topic.
Well, I finally clicked "notifications" because of your promise for future videos on the decaf factory tours. Thank you! Love your channel.
You a freakin' delight. Thank you for being awesome, James.
It's great to see this kind of video, thanks to both you and the people who sent corrections !
thank you for the corrections, i really appreciate the dedication to high standards and clarity of information and sources of information.
Can't wait for what's in store. Thanks for the consistent level of detail and taking time to admit what was wrong and what needs to be right.
Funny. I roast my own with an air popper type machine. Now that you mention it, I do settle on 10%-20% finer grind setting for my decaf than my regular coffee. All beans sourced from the same packager on Amazon. Since I don't grind more than one regular and one decaf at a time, I just thought that was bean variation, not thinking it might be process variation. So your observation is interesting and helpful.
And then, to put it all in perspective. My coffee tuning is on hold because my grouphead gasket doesn't seat my new bottomless portafilter tightly enough. There is so much that has to be right before we get to the grind settings of decaf.
I so appreciate that you took correction in stride. You rock, James!
Wonderful! This level of integrity deserves at least two thumbs up so I've scattered some in the comments too.
It's great to expect more content on decaf. Go, James, Go!
This is such a classy response! Thanks for being conscientious about this. Looking forward to your future videos!
RESPECT!!! Love the channel - professional and simply proper.
Thank you for the update, I look forward to more exploration of decaf. Even if you were not perfect the first time around, your video opened up another aspect of coffee to me. Since your first video I purchased some decaf from my favorite brand and I have been enjoying it. I haven't played with my grind settings yet, just used what works for both of the other coffees I drink daily, and it was delicious.
OK, this just showed up as a link and I didn't even know it would be about coffee- but it held my attention all the way. Terrific, informative, willing to correct and be corrected, willing to explore and explain nuance. Simple, superb content.
Kudos for the corrections and clarifying!
I love highly detailed content you have always strived to provide. Quite frankly, didn't watch the decaf video due to me just not liking the taste of it and it serves me purpose. But! I appreciate it. never expected Coffee-Tube to experience a LinusTechTips moment, but anything for fussiness.
Great short video with the facts and links. Thanks for being awesome!
Correcting your information just makes me appreciate and respect you even more. I’m looking forward to the factory tour.
Well, gosh, I wondered, based on my (in-the-past) experience of home roasting (off and on for about a decade). It makes the beans....strange. My fave local roaster (Brio) *anguishes* about their decaf. Which is why they are so good.
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