There’s Something Strange About These Rolling Knife Sharpeners..
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2024
- I review the Tumbler rolling knife sharpener. Is it a good sharpening option for beginners?
Why is burr removal so important ?⬇️
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00:00 What I bought, its weird..
00:28 Why I bought this brand
00:51 What I found out after I purchased this brand
01:54 Who was the original rolling sharpener..its weird
03:59 You won’t believe how much this cost!
04:24 The problems with this particular brand
04:50 Someone with no experience tries it
05:45 Someone with experience uses it as fast as possible
06:16 Close ups of the edge
06:23 YES it works BUT that’s NOT what I am testing!
06:52 A big mistake..
07:48 close up of the problems
08:47 The “HONING” side…problems..
09:34 Hardness test, for science..
10:30 Addressing the naysayers about the hardness testing
11:00 Before I knew about the original I want to make these changes
11:36 I really liked the concept BUT..dont use it for these knives..
11:59 This WAS designed properly, but this version is not it.
12:32 Would I recommend this version of the rolling sharpener?
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This is definitely not a subsidiary of ours and we have no other connection with this offer.
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Hey buddy ... which strop do you use..? I've watched your videos on how to make one ... but is there one you'd recommend..?
Or better: That you sell ... I went to knife point ... but wix says it's gone.
How do you know when a leather strop is not good..? I have a cheap one off amazon which I think might suck...and before I waste diamond emulsion on it figured I'd ask. Last ... there are those 1-3 micron bulk diamond powder off eBay (cheap) monocrystal ... I was thinking of getting that and then some gunny juice in maybe 1 micron? I ordered the Shapton Pro (per your suggestion) in 1000 2000 5000 ... I assume the highest 'grit' I use dictates which micron size I start with ..? Is that right..?
Thanks!
You forgot to remove one of the lids to expose the pork & beans inside! 😂 And, perhaps a fortune cookie!
if you want to test out the Horl version which is the superior one, i can send it to you, imho the work sharp one would come in second place for quality, the Tumbler version kinda sucks compared, however the Work sharp one has a way more resonable price compared to the Horl even though the HOrl is better, also i said in my videos that its only good for Chef knives atleast for the most part in my experience, great video as always
In the end, it's a fixed angle system, even with a coarser diamond side. This is no match to guided systems with a variable angle. Why spend so much money on a crutch? I have the KME and a couple of Korumaku's and Fällkniven DC4 and CC4. Currently only using the stones free-hand. These roller systems are marginally better than those pull-through systems from China.
Did you know FULL DISCLOSURE like you post is actually required by US federal law if you have affiliate links or a sponsored message in your video? Those CZcamsrs who don't can actually lose more than their channel if the Feds chose to prosecute.
Funny thing is that I bought a Horl 2 sharpener a few years ago, and when these seemingly official Tumbler sharpeners came on the market, I started having doubts about whether I had actually bought a copy rather than the original design. Glad to hear that my initial purchase was from the original designers of the product, and got a finer quality sharpener to boot!
has it worked well?
@@thomasanonymous998I have used the Horl 2 Pro for 3-4 years and it works great…but…if you do not sharpen knifes very often, the basic version 2 is also fine (the difference between the two is that the pro uses a 3:1 ratio gear so the discs rotates 3 times as fast). To me it was money well spend and I‘m not going back to using sharpening stones anytime soon…
@@thomasanonymous998 I use it on kitchen knives, horl 2 works fantastic.
@@eduardoarce879 So you don't think copyright matters, honoring and letting those profit off of something they came up with opposed to throwing your money at someone who is just lazily ripping off ideas and while doing so, doing a very bad job at it but still asking for a premium price? You get a better v-sharpener for 5$ than what this thing is capable of.
@@AvidEricFirst of all. The patent for the roller sharpener and the roller rectifier is from 1992, that means there is no patent anymore, no copyrights were broken. Second, that is how inovation works, taking an existing product and trying to improve it, which in this case might no be but any other should be able to. Lastly, if you think a v-sharpener could do better, probably you dont know much about sharpening.
Was very interesting to watch your video! I actually grew up with Timo Horl, we were neighbors.
Can confirm he and Ottmar (his father) are not in any kind connected with the Tumbler guy 😉
Initially, his father was already working on this rolling sharpener when we were still kids - but it actually was Timo picking up on the project much later again and bringing it to the market in the end as you can now buy it.
So cool!
Yeah 🤣
Ich habe meinen Horl Rollschleifer vor ca. 6 Jahren direkt von ihm in Fulda auf einer Grill-Messe gekauft. Gut zu wissen, das die Geschichte stimmt 😅 Genau das gleiche hat er damals auch erzählt.
As a serial knife sharpener buyer who ironically acknowledges that a brick will sharpen a knife, I can only say…thank you!
the investigative journalism aspect to these videos is highly underrated....
It's because of how disproportionately better the Princess Bride clips are
Is it really journalism? Even though he says Im not sponsored if you pay attention there is an amazon affiliate link where he literally says he gets paid for them. I enjoyed most of the video but its clearly some backhanded advertisement. Now I know not to buy one at least
the stuff he actually uses and recommends have links as opposed to all the junk he tests....and he traces down the source and history for multiple products so yes, i would consider that investigative journalism...Also, I really don't see how the 2 are related in the first place lol @@jollygreen1862
@@jollygreen1862It's not just that they link to shit for affiliate links and pretend they aren't sponsored when affiliate links are literally a type of sponsorship that just hasn't been properly regulated. it's als that for investigative journalism... It's kinda missing the most basic investigation that isn't just "reviewing a product". Like looking into patents, which they didn't even care to do, is really easy. Like the bar is so low, they would've just had to google "Horl patent". Or literally asking any German. We could've told them that the knock-off dude doesn't sound German at all but instead sounds like they are a murrican trying really hard to imitate a German accent.
Other than the comments about German patents not applying in the US. Whilst true, companies will frequently take patents out in other significant markets. Whether Horl have or haven't done this want checked. Fair enough, but it came across as "I'm going to make an assumption and not even think to check its validity."
13:00 you gotta love that sunk cost fallacy, haha!
"I already spent money on it, so I want it to be good! Even if it's not!"
Its a great idea, but could be better👍
@@OUTDOORS55 Since it's pretty much not usable at this point. How about taking Arkansas Stones of the right size and put them on interchangeable plates, so you can change it out to different Grits.
I think I would use the angle jig to run blades against a belt grinder. Salvage it a little…
I got the HORL knife sharpener for Christmas two years ago. Still sharpening knives real good. Recommend it even.
I was seeing too many vids of these Tumblers being so perfect it quickly turned my interest to scepticism.
Glad i watched this.
I own the Horl and have purchased two of their finer grit disks to use with it and it's phenomenal however it (and many of the knock-offs) could be improved. If you have a knife with a wide blade it's necessary to place the roller on top of something of the correct thickness in order to sharpen the wider blade. This problem would be addressed by making a simple change to the magnetic blade holder. If you flip it over and raise it up by, say, an inch (you can glue a block to it) you can now attach a blade of any width, with the sharp edge down and slightly above the rolling surface. Another advantage of this flipped position is that it's safer - the sharp edge is down and not up - and you won't cut yourself if your hand slips off the roller.
One could use parallel sets to prop under knives that wouldn’t fit, if one was inclined. And/or use 1-2-3 blocks under the magnetic block, also.
it's the same hype as with stanley cup, on which idiots line up in queue. Sharpeners have existed since the dawn of time, and now you're just trying to reinvent the wheel.
Sounds like you should invent that 😅
@@iammichaeldavis Haha right? I was thinking that not all 'knock off' products are just cheap imitations, some actually iterate and make significant improvements on the original. Usually it's easy to tell the difference tho.
i agree with you. i just thought about raising the roller, but hadn't gotten to inverting the blade although i cringed at the sharp edge being pointed up.
You’re still the king of knife sharpness .
Maybe the jester 😂👍
@OUTDOORS55
I can create some nice polished edges but your sharpening game is state of the art!!👏
@@OUTDOORS55relax - you are King Sharp 😅🍻
Truth.
Hail to the King😮
Thanks for reviewing this these. I’ve been curious about them. I appreciate that you give honest commentary and dont try to get your viewers to buy anything. You give us facts and maybe an opinion but you never try to sell us stuff. I appreciate that and your informative content. Thanks again and please keep up the great work.
Thanks for the thorough review. Too often People will try something once and give a glowing review unaware of how it will hold up over time or what else is comparable.
First time viewer of your channel. Good to see a reviewer doing it well. Demonstrating your knowledge and increasing my own understanding of knife sharpening
Plus getting to the bottom of the Horl mystery. Thumbs up from me!
Holy shit you actually finally uploaded a video about these knife sharpeners. I've been holding out on buying them for two months now hoping that their suddenly popularity will cause you to make a video covering them. Thanks for the video, lol.
So is it worth getting ?
@@magouliana32 Right? I find the video was light on conclusions.
@@sp10sn It was left in the details but the summary is that if you're buying one, buy a HORL sharpener. HORL appears to be the original company to invent it and provides a longer lasting, faster sharpening, solution. As far as I can tell the base model HORL is what the knock off he used was supposed to be, but they provide a more expensive model that sharpens knives faster and comes with extra grits, likely for someone with more experience like himself. That's all!
Oh and to answer a few more questions:
- Is it worth buying? Yes, it is a very easy to use knife sharpener and when buying the original, HORL, you are actually getting a great product for the cost.
- Can it replace other knife sharpeners? It is superior to a motorized sharpener, especially when buying a HORL. However, all knock offs won't last indefinitely but might be a good starting sharpener for inconsistent knife sharpens in the home.
- HORL vs. Knock Offs? HORL is far superior to all of the knock offs on amazon and is only 80-90$ more depending on the knock off. It actually removes the burr and will consistently sharpen the knife for a very, very long time after purchase. I have to imagine HORL won't last indefinitely but from comments made here by others, it appears the lifetime of this can range from 2 years to 5 years without any issue at sharpening blades.
you aren't convincing me @@EpiKZombe
Man, I love it when you debunk b/s in the knife sharpening world! Was so much fun watching the video, despite already knowing what you will most likely say. Cheers!
One thing I like about your videos is that, not only are they informative, they are also quite entertaining - sometimes downright hilarious 😂🤣😂. Love your sense of humor ! Thanks !
I wanted to explore the rolling sharpeners and opted to go with the worksharp version. The main reasons were that it offered 4 angles (not 2) and also had 3 grit sizes (320, 600 & ceramic). These were really well on medium to large kitchen knives, however like you discovered in the video, smaller paring knives, or even edc knives don't work as well as you cannot get fully to the hilt. So for kitchen knives, the WS version is excellent.....I will see over time how the grits bed in. good to see an independent video on stuff like this.
Man I never made the connection of you testing this weird sharpening device... finally a trustworthy review, thank you so much as always Alex!
I am really impressed at how you used a brick to get to hair shaving sharpness. I used to try that when I was a kid with an old pocket knife my dad gave me. All these years I thought I had been doing the wrong thing.
Also, I've never thought of Ben Hur as a movie tp sharpen knives by. Btw, I trust your conclusions.
Ben Hur! I knew I recognized that Overture, great catch.
your calibration trick makes me instantly respect you. good job !
I have the HORL 2 with all the additional stones. Even the Japanese stone for mirror like finish. Would be awesome if you could test and evaluate this sharpening setup
@outdoors55 could you test it pls? have it at home in the standard version. The big question for me is how long do I need to sharpen to get perfekt result?
I second a test like this!
I don't really see the point. Any good quality material will sharpen knives just fine. The premise is simple and should work. The point of this test is to show that the material used by the knockoffs are clearly inferior.
What he said at the end of the video is what matters, you need to know the basics of how to sharpen a knife. The horl won't tell you when to stop sharpening, or how to hone, etc.
Appeal to Horl to send him one to test.
does it work well for you?
Watching with the the video up for only four minutes. Thank you for the entertainment and education on a cold winter day.
It was very cold editing and filming this as well🥶 Thanks for watching!
I own the Horl2 (with replacable discs) and was a Meat Cutter for nearly 16yrs. I got the sharpner bout 7yrs into my job and replaced the disc on the sharpner side 1 time. Same for the ceramic side. I absolutely loved it. I own Victorinox knives so when takin care of i dont need to sharpen often but the speed at wich u can get a nice edge and even edge was a godsend. A bit of a pain on the scimitar knives but still with use u got ways to do it. I love that sharpner n still have it to this day. ❤
Hey, i've got a question if you don't mind. When you sharpen a curved blade did you sharpen in a pull/push the whole blade or do you do it in parts?
Im seeing other people say this, but i also really enjoyed your investigation of the origin of the knife sharpener. Very entertaining and well done.
Bought the Horl 2 two years ago, with the wetstones added. Been using it for sharpening once a year, and honing on a weekly basis. I love it. Easy to use, fantastic results, and high quality!
No one mentioned the fact that this man literally made a butter knife shaving sharp on a brick lmao
I have an OLD video specifically on that😂 Maybe its time for a re visit 😉
@@OUTDOORS55 Might be neat to do something on seeing how much of a challenge it is to get a good sharpening stone found in nature, like off a river bed or such. I figure finding something that will cleave well into 3 slabs, so they can be dressed flat via the Whitworth method would be a start. (Isn't that basically what you're buying with some of the better natural stones out there? Although I'm sure they quarry for them in specific locations.)
And thats why i watch your channel. No BS, lets learn something. Thanx
I was curious about these as they had ads everywhere. Never really thought they would improve the game for novice sharpeners & their dull blades. But it has that tried & true formula - make it so it does an OK job the first few times. You often put in some comic effects I enjoy. Thanks for another good video.
Thank you! I bought one of these for $80, and had the same experience you did. Very good at first, and then nearly useless I find the magnetic stand is currently the most useful part of this sharpener.
I'm happy to have a Horl 2. Not had it for long, but works fine so far. The disks can be replaced, and they have some different disk you can get aside from the standard ones if you like. (I do have regular stones as well, and know how to use them, but sometimes I'm lazy... and there are other members in the household who don't.)
Go learn how to use a wet stone, you will be getting knives so sharp that you can do surgery with it.
@@jj987987987 If you bothered to read what I wrote you would know that I already know how to do that.
no way would i be happy; maybe i just need your money ; )
$100 is so much man. If you’re at the point where you’re comfortable with spending $100 on sharpening tools, then you might as well learn how to use stones 😭😭😭
You can easily spend a significant amount more on stones vs $100 sharpener. $100 is on the low end of sharpeners.
For surgical instrument training we were talk using stone (not for scalpels).
@@ryanguldbrandsen7672i got a 12$ field sharpener, razor sharp and quick, however only that great for pocket knives, i have sharpened kitchen knives with it, but its a bit scary lol
I've been curious about this sharpener too. Thanks for the review!
Every once in awhile you throw in a comedic response or make an off hand remark about stuff, and youre a very funny person. You make me laugh alot more than i would expect. That makes you very relatable, THAK YOU
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I have the original horl 2 and it's sharpens really well.
This is exactly why I like using stones. I know what grit they are, how they work, and achieve the same results every time.
People want some gimmick instead of spending an hour learning and practicing techniques that have existed for literally thousands of years with a quality $50 stone or two that will last a lifetime. I guess they’re not vibey enough to sell well since it’s literally just a very nice chunk of stone.
I’m a blacksmith (not a blade smith, but I do make knives, axes, and swords) and I just found your channel. I am going to look at your other videos because I have sharpened blades on bricks before but have never seen anyone else do it! Instant fan.
Great review! I'm so thankful my father taught us boys how to sharpen knives and edged tools using a wet stone and strop.
My brick isn't giving me the same results you got. I think I'll return it.
We bought a HORL a few years ago at a fair. Works quite well!
so must your wallet
I appreciate all of your videos and your opinion is always spot on!
I am so glad you looked at it. Moment I saw ad of it, I wanted to hear your verdict.
Same was waiting for him to weigh in on it.
you are right, a brick works, so does a coffee cup, car window, lots of things. life got alot easier for me when i learned how to free hand. them people are nuts wanting over 400 bucks for those. thanks for the tips my dude!
Great video bringing some light onto a product way too overhyped.
As you've mentioned, one could sharpen a knife using pretty much anything and even though I do have quite a nice whetstone, I usually just use the uncoated ring on the underside of a ceramic plate or bowl. For the 3 knives I own (one of which is a bread knife so it doesn't need to be sharpened all that often) it's just faster to grab some plate from the table or wherever and spend a minute for the knives being sharp enough for basically anything cooking related...
Thanks for this video. I am a sharpening enthusiast and I have been curious about these roller style sharpeners. I agree that there needs to be the right grit and hardness on the ends. I have been looking at less expensive versions that include multiple grit discs for the ends. Ones that seem to have grit numbers spaced right for (as you explain) establishing a bevel, refining it and honing finer still. I personally don't expect any sharpening system to strop for me, I think of it as another step in the process.
Awesome analysis 👍 I threw out my pull-through sharpener after watching your magnified images of the damage such sharpeners do to the edges of knives. (Thank you for that!) I soon realized that rolling knife sharpeners are here to stay as I started to study them. I think that rolling sharpeners are an inevitable stage in the evolution of sharpeners; I wonder why it took so long for them to become popular. Anyhoo, I bought the Work Sharp Rolling Knife Sharpener after much consideration. I was able to sharpen several knives with it. I could have bought a high quality powered sharpener from Work Sharp for a bit more money, but the environmentalist in me didn't want to buy yet another power-tool. However, since I own a Dremel, I would love it if someone designs and manufactures a rolling sharpener attachment for a Dremel.
I bought the HORL as well as some random one from Amazon. Returned both. Just didn't do that great of a job and really only do a mildly passable job on a narrow range of knives.
Yep. I'm inundated with these ads. They aren't worth it, and I hope the trend ends soon.
they're insanely expensive. You can get a much better system for $30-$50. lol. These things are such a rip off.
I got the Horl 2 with the premium sharpening add ons, I don't have any knives that are damaged so haven't needed the course grinding disk you can get for that, every comparison i've seen suggests that the horl rolls much smoother thanks to actual bearings rather than bushings and the magnet stand is much stronger, it's actually meditative to use imo
the idea of sharpening any blade with the edge UP, just gives me the willies
i was about to buy it but now will settle for my whetstone, thank you so much for saving me from spending a lot of money
For about the same money as the Horl you can get three shapton stones but that requires a fair bit of time to build the necessary experience to get a good result. The idea seems to work so for those that just want a sharper knife quickly without all the fuzz it can certainly be an option, even if I think that the price point is a bit high.
or ~100 bricks
Seriously if people would just learn the skill even slightly they’d have better and faster success on even the $15-20 diamond scales. Cheap Aluminum oxide stones being the last thing newbies come in contact with. And these rolling things work but not as efficiently as proper stones in my opinion.
I'd say your comment gets negated by it only working good for a low amount of time? 🤔
Edit: I got confused and thought he's using the horl, your now right id say
Ya I got a nice tri stone setup with nice Arkansas whetstone for $75 about 10 years ago and just learned to freehand sharpen. It's worked for centuries so probably good enough for my kitchen. Just takes a few tries and its second nature. I don't get all these gimmicks
@@timlong1462 people ive encountered both irl and online would rather pay 100 usd more to get less food simply because they don't want to drive half a mile to the grocery store and assemble the ingredients. like, why in the hell would you pay 160 usd for 4 8 inch long lunchmeat sandwiches? theres a walmart like not even 3 blocks down just buy the meat and bread, in addition to costing less you don't even need to wait. hell, my walmart is around 5 miles from where i live and i have no car yet even then i still shop there over ordering food. the tldr is that people are weirdly lazy in how much they want to think about stuff or develop skills, they'd rather go for a extra 12 hour shift at work than a few minutes a day over a month learning a new skill.
Thanks for giving us the Horl picture.
I've never seen the round file method before, great idea 😊 thankyou
I bought the dual sided Sharpal diamond stone from Amazon for about $25, based on your recommendation. I used it on 5 different knives of varying quality. Some were cheap, literally $5 knives from the dollar store, and others were much nicer, S45VN and Cruwear steel. The Sharpal worked great on all of them. Finished on a leather strop with 6 micron diamond compound. All of the knives were very sharp in a matter of minutes. For what it is worth, I am really becoming a fan of the Cruwear steel. For my use, EDC, it is fantastic.
If I was interested in one of these systems I'd go for the Work Sharp. It comes with 320 and 600 grit diamond disks, plus a fine ceramic. It also offers a choice of four angles, while I believe the others only offer two. It's closer in price to the Tumblr than the Horl.
Agreed, or lansky, either set up is far more portable with loads more options.
Plus, the work sharp seems like it has a MUCH better grip; not only is it textured, but it positions your hand away from the edge of your knife. With this Horl, you're basically rolling your hand back and forth right next to your edge, and a single slip might mean you need stitches; since these things are marketed towards low-info and/or low-skill users, slipping seems a lot more likely, and it seems irresponsible to not consider that in their design.
EDIT: typo
The lansky clamp system is pretty affordable and actually works really well. I used to use it a lot. Over time I learned how to sharpen without it so I usually don't pull it out unless a knife needs to be completely reprofiled with a new angle or something.
@@ShootingUtah that's what I'm saying! For the price you may as well get a lansky, you can completely reprofile an edge or just maintain with it. And so many more options as well. But yeah, most of us probably just carry 2 reversible stones and maybe a strop for hunting, if that.
1 x 30 belt sander + finer belts + angle guide = 👌
Your content has always been great but it's really gone next level of late. So informative and so entertaining ❤
thank you for this video. the Tumbler caught my interest and glad I watched your video.
Best CZcams video I've seen in many months! Thanks
I was curious about theese things, so i'm glad you're making this video
Try the Horl 2 Pro model. It has a planetary gear system inside that speeds up sharpening up to 3x and is even more expensive than the regular one. I have it and I love it. It’s perfect for noobs like me. I tried all sorts of whetstones before but simply don’t find the time and patience to get good with these. The Horl 2 pro is so chill to use, that I can even watch CZcams videos while using it. :D Absolutely satisfying feeling and sound, too due to the gear mechanic inside. It’s like comparing Apple with PC.
I have the same one. Best thing is that it's very hard to screw up the edge with a bad pass like seems to happen with freehand sharpening. It's just dead on consistent every time.
I don't have the ultra fancy once. But its the convenience and the ease of use that makes all the difference. Easy setup and fantastic for people who don't find the necessity to get everything to absolute perfection. It comes out fantastic, can still cut paper with ease and glides through meat and produce without effort. More the enough for your average home cook.
Well Done! I have recently been thinking about better methods to sharpen my set of kitchen knives--a delightful matchup of favorite blades selected through 30+ years of kitchen bufoonery.
In less than 15 minutes, you have introduced me to a new method of doing so--and shown me what to avoid... Along the way I learned a bit about metal testing, sharpening, and a changeup in my macrophotography stand.
Absolutely Outstanding!
What they've really tried to do is make a precise ANGLE rather than the freehand sharpening technique which takes lots and lots of practice and also, as you demonstrated quite beautifully, its no good for smaller knives other than chefs knives, exactly why its one of the reasons why I dismissed the Tumbler as well as the Horl (which charges for add ons). So much money for a few knives instead of all of them, we all don't use larger knives at all. We have different knives for different jobs. Its all about the ANGLE here not the equipment IMHO.
the horl pro with the planetary gears looks wild but that money probably gets you a pretty nice set of sharpening stones
I believe they are interchangeable too! I hope to get one to look at in the future 🙂
@@OUTDOORS55yes the horl has removable disks, the catch being to upgrade you need to spend another $140 on the other grits pushing it up to about $320 😯
Also worth noting It looks like horl has made a newer “Cruise” version thats about $40 cheaper than the horl 2 version. Getting that price point closer to competitors.
Awesome and thank-you. I was contemplating getting something like this. very informative
Glad I saw this video before I bought that Tumbler 2 years ago.
Aren't the scratch lines parallel with the edge rather than perpendicular as you've explained in other videos? There's so little diamond area compared to a DMT stone, that makes it a ripoff even if they used good quality steel and diamond grit that doesn't all fall off.
There are close up shots in the video, you can clearly see a scratch pattern. It’s all over place but mostly at an angle. Thats fine.
Remember, the end of the drum is spinning or turning. As it travels the length of the knife the front half of the drum is moving down while the back half of the drum is moving up - thus the perpendicular scratch pattern.
I checked into Horl about 4 years ago or so. Because of price I didn't get one. However, I think they also have extra caps to purchase that have different grit sizes on them. Thank you for the video. one solution to the smaller knife problem is to put something under the spine of the knife to elevate it.
This is the kind of review we need for every product out there
Not that I would ever buy one of these (I prefer whetstone method) I appreciate your input - Thanks
Why not the Horl? It was the original and the best (by a huge margin). The rest is very bad. I have been using the horl for years and it is very effective in delivering an uniform edge.
This. There are some other videos of people comparing horl to Tumblr and other knock offs and horl is much, much better. He does mention horl a lot in the video, so hopefully he does a follow-up video on horl
I explained that exact question in the video 👍
@@TJM-2023because he was asked REPEATEDLY to review this one (as he stated numerous times in this video!), so he graciously spent his time and money to appease those requests. And you fault him for that, because…? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
The Hone sharpener is much better. Includes 400 and 1000 diamond wheels, and a full range of others is available. It also accommodates small knives better. It is good for beginners because it sets the correct angle with no learning curve. And no water.
Completely agree with your take on this thing. I bought one almost a year ago as it seemed like an ininteresting and great approach to sharpening. I'm not a pro at sharpening knives and have tried lots of systems with none really making it easy and being truly effective yielding razor sharpness. Had you not mentioned the eventual waning effectiveness, it might have gone without lots of attention but I realized I experienced the same thing. It seem like you can go on and on with this and not achieve a result that one would expect after putting this much effort into the blade.
I think I was an early buyer and recall getting it at a reduced price, somewhere south of $100 bucks, like maybe $80 or so. I'll have to check. As pointed out, it is incredibly limiting on knife blade sizes as well as shape. I have some blades that should fit but because of some faceting of the steel, they will not lay up properly against the magnet and the proper angle can not be achieved. That alone makes this sharpener closer to worthless. It's one of those issues that you just don't think about ahead of time but learn pretty quickly when you pull out all your blades to give them all a nice hone on the amazing new toy.
I'd strongly suggest one skips this purchase if they're really considering one.
I have the Horl 2, and I love it. You do have to clean it, as you would any other steel sharpening tool, but it hasn't gotten dull like the Tumbler in this video.
At 73, I must really be 'old school', as a gift 50 y.o., I received a 4 oiled-whetstone set. A Washita, soft, hard & black hard Arkansas stones. Still use em, still swear by em!
Greatvideo. I have the Horl 2 and highly rate and the edges that it can produce. I purchased the additional discs and strop and find that i can quickly restore and maintain my knives. Horl sell an even coarser diamond disc than the one that comes with it and the fact that the discs can be changed/replaced is a great feature.
It does sharpen. But so does a brick. I was looking at this knife sharpener and now I know where to find the original. Thank you for the preview!
So true! Been looking at these clamp, set your angle sharpens for years, but like doing it by hand...
just came across your channel and loved the edit and the content! easiest sub of my life.
Thank you for this video, I’ve been considering buying this thinking it was the best sharpener
I can really appreciate your honest non biased review here. I have been eyeing both the Tumbler and the Horl. But the price of either is really more than I want to pay for a sharpener. But, I still need a better sharpener. I saw another video where the person demonstrated that the Tumbler’s magnets don’t hold nearly as well as the Horl. I’d buy a Horl 2, but it’s too expensive. So, I am shopping around on ebay. The thing that gets me is that I have tried so many kinds of sharpeners and watched a lot of how to videos, yet for some reason I can’t get the sharpness one hopes for to save my life!
thanks bud...good review. seen the ads and checked it out, saw the costs ...HELL NO! Bought a $6 stone with two different grits...worked like a charm
I love your approach. Very scientific, and REPRODUCEABLE results. Don't stress on hatemail. The internet is wack.
Great information, and presented in a good format. Thanks for your videos! I should probably flatten it now that my wife bought me some actual diamond stones.. but I can't let go my 30 year old stone from grandpa's shop just yet... cause it works.
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I’ve been strictly using my dmt stones for years as per your recommendation and they’re the best in the game
I love that you have a brother that knows nothing about sharpening and that you included him in this video. What is his area of expertise?
Thanks for the werthers vlip in the end. Made me chuckle
Thank you for doing this review. I wondered how they work. I’ll have to check out Tyler’s video too. I missed that one.
Yeah, I think that I'll be sticking with my 8"x3" dmt dia-sharp whetstones. You recommend before. They work great! I also have a quality strop. Thanks for your advice!
Very informative video, thank you for your hard work here.
I was and still am skeptical about the tumblr sharpener, I was sure that those amazing reviews of this are way way exaturated 😂
These things looked nice, if I ever get one I'll make a point of getting the Horl.
I was literally thinking of the effect the body might have had on the hardness test, glad you threw in the calibration disk to validate the test.
You will never be a real woman.
I love your content, and I've definitely seen improvement in my own hand sharpening from watching your stuff. I am curious if you've got any thoughts on some of the sharpeners out there from worksharp. They've recently released a rolling sharpener with multiple grits that can be swapped in and out. I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on their guided field sharpener as well.
Would love to see you try out the Worksharp version as it has a better progression system. One video I saw suggested it worked quite well, especially on large kitchen knives.
Thanks, man. I keep getting ads for the Tumbler and have been spektical. Im going to check out the Horl instead.
Best knife reviewer on CZcams. Top video, top effort. John
i use the horl since several months in my private kitchen and cooking adventures, and i am very happy with the results!
I have one as well i am reviewing at some point. Its great👍👍
I was about to buy one of these. Thanks for the video. I'll stick to my stones
Nice video. I am amazed how you tested this product (hardness tests etc.) First I was wondering if you used the original Horl or not. Well I own and use the Horl 2, which I bought straight from the company and do not have the issues you show. I additionall bought a courser disc and that made thing go much faster. After trying out several options to sharpen a knife, this method is for me the easiest and the best.
My brother got me one of these for Christmas. The one he got me has a ceramic side which is the finer grit. The diamond side is fairly aggressive. I like to use the diamond side to reprofile the edge in neglected/abused knives then I move into my finer grit Japanese king whetstones and strop. It’s particularly good at cleaning up the chisel edge of morakniv (mora) knives which I have a hard time not rocking in the stone.
That was fun to watch! But not what i expected. One thing i was expecting was a rant about the magnet collecting the metal dust, or the knife not holding onto the magnet enough, or something about the angles, or even it being a little dangerous in how the blade is positioned while moving along it. And yet the thing i was least expecting (as i thought it would be the easiest thing to copy from the Horl) was the biggest issue.😁
The Horl guys even have a method for hin knifes where the knife and holding block is on a "pedestal" so the roller still works.
And i can say i fully understand the frustrating part about the sharpening taking ages. Have that problem with the diamons rods i bought for the Spyderco Sharpmaker years ago. Initially they were great, but after a short time you could draw the edge of a knife over it for an hour until it's sharp when the blade was really dull. 2 minutes on a 1k grid waterstone is doing more work than half an hour on those diamond rods i have...
Thank you. You are correct, people don’t want to spend a bunch of time sharpening. I love the brick demo. And I love the end when you say, “Apex, create a burr, and remove the burr.” I think a brick costs a couple bucks at most hardware stores. I wonder if it works on harder steels.
A brick absolutely works on harder steels. Fired clay is basically ceramic, so it is easily harder than just about any knife steel out there. It wouldn't be my first pick to sharpen an heirloom quality knife, but if you need a strip of steel sharp and don't have a proper stone, a brick is pretty much the next best thing. Two bricks are even better. You can wet them down and rub one brick against the other to help smooth out the surface of both and break up the top layer into a finer grit so that you don't chew up your knife as much and can get a somewhat finer edge.
The main reasons that people buy proper stones and not bricks for their sharpening endeavors are that the grit size on a brick is enormous and wildly inconsistent and the surface is only pretending to be flat with lots of of pits, dips and jagged protrusions so your finished edge and secondary bevel aren't going to be pretty by the time you're done, even if the edge is suitably sharp.
I've the Horl and it is brillant, I also have a coarse disc, the fine disc is great for fine finishing.
Awesome content as usual.
Can you do a vid on the Spyderco Sharpmaker? Everyone seems to love it. I hate mine. It broke on the very first use
Try the Hone sharpener made in Canada. Similar design but has 400 grit side and 1000 grit side. The magnetic block has a 20 and 15 degree option plus a special notch on both sides for smaller knives. I finish it with a couple of passes on a very fine diamond steel. Had one for a year and it still works beautifully.