The Walther Q4 SF & The Walther PDP Compact: What's In Your Holster?!!
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- The Walther Q4SF (Steel Frame) is the pinnacle of the PPQ family, while the PDP is Walther's next step in the evolution of the PPQ. How do these two magnificent hand guns compare?!!
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Recently picked up a mint Q4sf at an estate auction for $500 with 8 mags. Great pistol.
That was a phenomenol deal!! I am sure you will enjoy it!!
If you want to learn the difference between a polymer and a steel frame guns - just rattle them from side to side. I own a Q4 SF and purchased a PDP-F 4” for my beloved wifie (she has issues with racking of a standard springed slide). And yes - there IS a difference :)
The PDP-F is a great gun, but it is NOT a Q4SF....kinda like my Casio is a great watch, but it is not a Rolex.
I have been carrying, shooting and competed with, both Revolvers and Semi-auto pistols, for 49 years. I can still effectively use iron sights as I have when I started at 22 years old. The key is to get the right glasses which focus on the front sight, (intermediate distance). I still have 20/20 at distance but its the reading distance where the glasses come in play.
The reason I mention this is, I have a steady grip/hold, and with the proper glasses I still can shoot any pistol from 25 yards, slow fire, standing unsupported and put a 5 round group 2" or less into a Bullseye target.
I don't think I will ever need to change, to an optic ready setup. The advantage of iron sights is, they are easier, and more compact for concealed carry, and more reliable then an optic.
By the way I did shoot a 1.75" 5 shot group (slow fire) with my stock Iron sight Q4 from 25 yards, standing unsupported.
Great video. Please do more on the Q4!
That is better than I can do. I generally shoot at more realistic self defense distances. If I can mag dump a fist sized group at 7 yards, I am very happy. I too prefer irons.
I own both of those pistols as well. I love the Q4...it is an exceptionally well made firearm but it's a heavy mother. It's also a bit chunky compared to say a 1911. I would never really consider it for a ccw. Also wish the serrations were a bit more aggressive but it's a minor gripe in the grand scheme of things.
I will be getting a PDP compact next week (5 inch). I got a heck of a deal on a barely used Q4 SF a few months back. I became a fan of Walthers immediately. I have owned a lot of handguns in my time and it is much nicer in my personal opinion than anything I have owned prior. I have thusly begun collecting Walthers and bought a PPQ M2 and a PPS M2. Neither guns dissappoint. And I am very picky. Buying the PDP mainly as a reason to get into dots on handguns. Also buying a P99 just because. Wife is cutting me off for a while though and said she will buy me a fancy Walther if I can stop buying guns for a year lol.
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The Q4SF is my favorite handgun. Bar none. And I’ve got some good ones. It’s my home defense gun and also my carry gun for several months a year. I’ve toyed with getting a PDP compact so i could have something w similar controls etc but which is lighter and easier to carry during warmer weather. But I’ve got so many polymer striker fired guns that it’s hard to get excited about another one. Toying w getting something single action only instead-or replacing a Steyr handgun that I’ve always regretted offloading some years back.
Been there, might I recommend the Staccato C2😉…I know, I know, not exactly smaller, but it is lighter, and G-d that trigger is sweet for a carry gun. The S&W CSX is nice too (see my earlier video), but damn, that C2 is a fun gun to own.
Please let me know what you decide to do.
I am thinking about getting the Q4SF myself for home defense. What do you like/dislike about it?
@@willieboy3011 My dislikes are 1. the lack of holsters; some exist, but your options are limited. 2. It's not always the most comfortable gun to carry (I know that this is obvious). That's it, however. I love the gun. It's probably my favorite--and I have some nice ones. Love the trigger. Love the ergos. Love how flat it shoots. Simply put: its my favorite gun to shoot. I always love taking it to the range and sometimes have to force myself to bring what I EDC the rest of the year. It's my permanent home defense gun, outfitted w a TLR7A and 509T and in a TRex holster. Can't recommend it highly enough.
@@seandurns110 Thanks for the info. I have 2 primary carry pistols and a few stashed around the house, but I want a primary pistol at my bed. The info on the TLR7A and 509T is especially handy to know. Can you see through the 509T well with the light on? Does it hold a good pattern at the range? Thanks again, and I won't bug you again for more info.
@@willieboy3011 The groups it prints are superb and the light and optic work great. The only thing that I’d note is make sure you get mounting plates from CH; don’t use the plates that Walther mails in-they’re crap and after a few range sessions you’ll lose your zero.
I really don't like the profile on the PDP. I prefer the PPQ taper for sure. I agree about the feel of the steel frame as compared to the polymer guns. The polymer just feels too light and kinda cheap.
I’m with you, I just wish there were more holster options for the Q4SF.
I felt the same way until I actually shot the PDP... Then bought a compact, a fullsize, and a SD Pro.
It's not an especially attractive gun in my eyes, but man does it feel good in my hand.
Had to stop the video and comment!!!
You said “Ambidextrous” correctly!!!
First CZcamsr I’ve heard 😂
I own both. Both are exceptional firearms. The PDP is easier to carry. In my opinion the Q4 is the finest 9MM Semi Auto.
I have a W.PPQ and I'm am not even thinking about upgrading to PDP. I am so satisfied with the PPQ
Why compromise? Get a PDP for the heck of it.
Ive been shooting at the guntry club in maryland!
I really appreciate that you compared these 2 firearms. I'm still torn which to get; Eventhough, I'm leaning towards the Q4. I've always been a Walther fan boy since I already own a PPS & PPQ SC. It's just the price difference between the 2 that I need to come to terms with... SF or polymer?
Great video
I find, at the end of the day, the Q4SF is the better gun; higher quality and better shooter. I definitely feel that the build quality justifies the price. That said, it depends on your plans for use. As a range gun, competition gun, or home defense gun, Q4SF all day long, but as a carry gun, there are very few holsters designed for the Q4SF and that is a gun that begs for a quality holster (and belt), due to its considerable weight….and just to further complicate your decision making, I find the PDP’s trigger to be the better of the two, albeit marginally, but still noticeably.
I hope this helps with your decision making. Thank you so much for watching and commenting. I really appreciate the kind words and I’m glad you enjoyed the video!!
Q4SF
Q4SF or at least PDP SD PRO
Optics ready SF. It is the best striker fired gun you can buy. It’s worth the addl money
The PPQ/PDP triggers benefit from a Glock style trigger bar and plunger polish to get a really smooth and crisp pull and break.
I have a video coming up comparing the PPQ trigger, the PDP trigger, and the Walther Dynamic Trigger. Spoiler alert, the Walther Dynamic Trigger is amazing!! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment!!
@@DrTac I've heard good things about it!
Really interested in your comparison of how both guns shoot! How do they compare after a day at the range?
I had gotten a 4" PPQ a while ago. Liked it, and when Walther went to the PDP, I was put off by the blockiness of it compared to the Q's profile. At that time I tried very hard to find a standard 5" Q, but the closest I could come was a 5" Q Match. It had some issues, was rather expensive, ($1k) and I didn't like the sights. Eventually I got a 5" PDP ($650) and then added a Swampfox optic. It's lighter and more balanced than my 4" Q with an Olight/laser, and appears to be a bit more robust inside. Now if Orpaz (or anyone) would just make a retention holster for it!
I'm just going to buy all 3 PPQ5 SF Pro, PPQ4SF, & PDP SD PRO oh and a PPQ22 :)
So this comment speaks volumes about you…and what it says the loudest is that you are not married😉 …or if you are, not for long🤣. Enjoy!!
@@DrTac You guessed right, Doc! Haha!
@@DrTac I don't know Doc, my wife is pretty cool about gun stuff. I found a steal of a deal on a used Q4 SF and was about to trade some Glocks for it. My wife said she would just buy me the Q4.
@@Catgat37 Keep that woman, at all costs KEEP THAT WOMAN!!!!
@@DrTac except she said I need to stop buying guns for a bit lol
I think im gonna get a q4 i have 2 pdps and i have a few holsters that i know will work for the q4
I have no doubt that you will be pleased with that decision. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
The taper on the slide should not make a difference considering they are the same (looking) thickness at the base of the slide........basically as long as you carry it in a holster and not jambed in your belt it won't make a difference....nice review
Can you do a review of the Q4 SF and the new PDP Pro!!!
As soon as I get my hands on a Pro, I’ll start filming😎.
In this video, I did compare the Dynamic Performance Trigger (which I believe is what the PDP Pro sports) with the Q4 SF’s trigger:
WALTHER TRIGGER-PALOOZA!! Quick Defense vs Performance Duty vs Dynamic Performance Triggers
czcams.com/video/renD8_mYUMQ/video.html!!
@@DrTac thanks I really appreciate it!
It looks like you got the C&H plate with the rear sight behind the optics and I see that they offer one with the sight in front. Why choose the "behind option"? I understand sight radius but this is a backup. I think I'm going to opt for the sight mounted in front to act as protection from flying brass.
This is an Impact Machine plate and 3 things helped me to decide on this particular model:
3) Impact Machine makes great optic plates
2) As you mentioned in your comment, an increased sight radius improves accuracy
1) It was THE ONLY FUCKING PLATE AVAILABLE for this combination…seriously, I mean there was no other plate to be had and I was damn lucky to get this one!!
I,m carrying the PDP 4'' compact with the Holosun HE507C -GR X2-ACSS using a C&G OWB Holster at the 9 o'clock position (which means I'm a lefty) and I love it. Is it the best for concealed carry? It's up to you, I'm not worried about printing as nobody is really paying any attention to me anyway but if you are maybe, you should be "rocking " a SIG 365 but that's your choice my patriot friends out there.
Thanks for sharing!!
When you shoot the PDP with the Dynamic trigger, 12 pound recoil spring (after market), and your new Holosun 507c ACSS your going to retire your Q4. In this configuration my PDP full size shoots flat as my GLOCK even though the Glock has a lower bore height. Walther rules the market with their out of the box triggers and now the superb dynamic trigger that pulls on average a hair over 4 pounds... Walther now has the PRO SERIES with the dynamic trigger, competition barrel, and mag flare for around $820.00. I wish I waited for PRO but I love the PDP...
I’m actually getting ready to do a video on the Dynamic Trigger very very soon. I am borrowing a friend’s Q5 SF with the Dynamic Trigger. The only thing stopping me from getting the PDP Pro Series is that for me, it’s primary use will be that of a conceal carry gun, so even though I want the trigger, I do not want the mag well or the threaded barrel.
Thank you for watching and commenting!!
Pete: so in that config, does it shoot flatter than a Q4 SF? Meaning, do you think you'd gain anything from the steel frame?
I know some folks have put brass back straps to further stabilize recoil on the PDP.
@@zorbaseatery4745 The PDP definitely does NOT shoot as flat as the Q4 SF, however, it is very balanced and does come back down straight and consistent, putting the sights right back on target. I have brass grips on one of my competition pistols and, while they feel really nice, the rearward placement of the weight does not do nearly as much to mitigate muzzle flip as a steel frame. Although I have never tried one, a tungsten guide rod should be helpful, as the weight is being placed in a more appropriately location.
@@DrTac Thanks! That's what I thought. I wish you could combine a tungsten guide rod with the DPM recoil system. I'd probably add some lightning cuts and a fluted bull barrel but apparently the stock barrel has incredible rifling.
Just a great platform. I see you're not NOT saying to get both Q4SF & the PDP :)
The PDP is a fine pistol...but it's definitely not a flat shooter lol. Also....it's easy to put the dynamic trigger in the q4.
There magazines are 17 rounds 18 rounds are only on thr full size
Yup…and the good news is the full size mags fit the compact and 4!!
@@DrTac it does but walther dosent advise using them as they could overinsert thus causing issues this is something many gun manufacturers advise unfortunately there is no insert for the 18 rounders.. yet. I would not slam the 18nround mags in