When exactly did Captain America learn to fight?
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- At what point in his career did Captain America learn to fight? Why wasn't this shown in his debut movie? And what little details from the movie will help us answer these and other interesting questions about our old acquaintance Steve Rogers. Don't forget to give this video thumbs up and subscribe to the channel, enjoy watching!
Captain America: The First Avenger is a 2011 American superhero film based on the Marvel Comics character Captain America. Produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Paramount Pictures, it is the fifth film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) - Zábava
At what point in his career did Captain America learn to fight? Why wasn't this shown in his debut movie? And what little details from the movie will help us answer these and other interesting questions about our old acquaintance Steve Rogers. Don't forget to give this video thumbs up and subscribe to the channel, enjoy watching!
He's American. We don't show our characters learning to shoot or fight ....we all know how
how about the part where it shows him going through basic training in the u.s military, wich normaly also comes with courses to teach hand to hand and how to use weapons
@@RedEve.Gaming fr! I never question how Capt knew how to fight. I thought it was clear that an American super soldier would know everything our troops know
WTF? He went to basic training. Just because they didn't show the fighting portion of basic training in a 2hr movie doesn't mean he didn't get taught basic fighting that gets taught in basic training which got shown that he attended in the 2hr movie.
This is such a dumb question, he was in the military so they teach you how to fight. Then he worked for shield after he was unfrozen so he has tons of training in his arsenal. I don't get where you came up with where did cap learn to fight when it's obvious throughout the movies. They even show him in basic training and a lot of the other stuff could have taken place off screen after the avenger's movie.
You could argue that the super serum not only increased his phisical capabilities but also his natural fighting IQ as well, so he just learned how to fight intuitively or just by simply observing others
Well said.
Fighting IQ? That's stupid. That's like cap changing the future from the past when he wasn't supposed to be able to do that.
@@TheMpo1986 Fighting IQ is a very real thing. Boxers and MMA fighters do have to be very smart in order to understand patterns and different movements.
@@reidjordan4545 but rogers has no fighting background. Also when exactly did he observe others? The serum would make him super strong but when he wasn't he couldn't even block a punch. So, he would basically be a punching bag with a shield.
@@TheMpo1986Steve's brain is essentially a super computer. He would develop his fight IQ and combat skills more and more by merely watching other competent fighters. The whole reason he can do all the crazy shit with his shield is because his brain can do advanced calculations in milliseconds. This isn't in the movies, but in the comics Shang Chi himself has said that Cap is one of the hardest people to fight. The longer you fight him the more he is able to perfectly replicate your fighting style. So if you don't overwhelm him immediately, he will forever be armed with your skills, and the skills of thousands of others.
I would also argue: before he gets the syrum, we see him get in a fight with a random bully in an alleyway. It apparently happens SO MUCH that Bucky knows where to find him. He goes on later to point out all the alleys and parking lots he's been beaten up in. So he's actually got a ton of fighting experience already, he was just never physically fit enough to put it to good use.
Once he was used to his new body, he was able to incorporate his past experience into it.
And his new brain learned new moves from those past experiences. They don't understand how his mind was affected by the serum too
Just imagine giving even basic fighting skills to a guy who never gets tired. That would be a nightmare. Then add the strength, speed and coordination he'd get. Then yeah add on whatever new is going on in his brain how fast can he learn, retain and recall. Thinking about it it's something I wish they'd have touch on more, the past 70 years of a Cap inspired super soldier arms race.
In the first Captain America movie Cap seemed to know simple fight moves like basic super human punching, kicks , slams , throws and using his shield but I'm guessing Cap didn't learn his advanced fighting style until sometime after The first Avengers movie and before the events of Captain America The Winter Soldier because by Captain America The Winter Soldier this is when Cap had shown his highly advanced fighting prowess and I'm guessing Cap got trained by some Shield agents or maybe even Black Widow herself.
Cap probably started training shortly after he woke up from being a capsicle
Fury literally finds him in the gym. Capt only trains.
It's the military, of course they're gonna teach him to fight. They trained Steve off-camera because IT'S THE DAMN MILITARY. OF _COURSE_ THEY'RE GONNA TRAIN STEVE. IT'S SO OBVIOUS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STATED.
Exactly!!
People seem to forget that the military has boot camp/basic training for the new recruits
Not only that, but the entire time he's collecting war bonds, he has time spent in bases.It's not only required to stay fit, but it's also recommended to train. Why wouldn't he train to be the best? Before combat experience.
Plus all training effects him 1000s of times more effectively then a normal human. He does a pushup and it's like we did 1000s. Now apply that to sparring....no contest
What utter rubbish, I was in the Army for 14 years and you do not get anywhere near the kind of training you seem to think you do.
@@raziel4435 Steve learns better then us all
If we put it in video game terms; it's like he gained a lot of experience points before the serum, but he couldn't spend it on new skills until after the serum. The serum unlocked new skills. So by the time he got the serum he had a bunch of XP to spend and gained a bunch of skills in a short time.
Yeah pretty much. The serum made his brain and body better. So everything in his past allowed for new lessons and exp.
He learned to fight in the army and from bucky ,sheild.
When he first rescued the soldiers behind enemy lines he wasn’t as confident as later in the war, he possibly learned some fighting skills from the men in his squad. And after Roger’s was thawed out he would also have access to the internet and videos showing him how to fight better.
That my only problem with the movie, in the comics they showed at various times what kind of training he receives from Boxing to Judo.
He got combat training in the army. We saw him fight hydra in that montage, he probably learned to rely less on his guns more and more as kept fighting.
Probably watched dozens of youtube videos like "How to disarm a knife" as soon as he woke up from being frozen
Orrrrr after getting the super soldier serum, the military would put him in some SF camps to train.... The military isn't that dumb to just put someone out in the battlefield with a million dollar serum running through his blood.
Also WW2 military training was harsh ASF.
You know you could argue that he has a ton of "fighting" experience. If the serum increase all things memory has to also be there. He got beat up so much there's a chance that because he saw so many punches his mind remembered them and learned it. Then as time went on he saw others and copied their movements. In other words regardless of win or lose he gets experience
In the 1960 novel
The Great Gold Steal a Capt. America novel they tell of Cap getting 6 months of training in Savate, wrestling, boxing ,and miltary hand to hand before going on his first mission, that novel also says cap had a whole store room full of replacement shields as it was not indestructable in the novel ,
And he did have a photographic memory, so but reading a lot of martial arts training books he could train/ shadow box anytime/ place when he has free time. The novel also spoke of his enhanced healing factor, all he needed was a large meal and few hours to completely heal a gunshot wound.
He learn to fight the moment he got cake😂
I missed that scene.
fun fact it was shown in military training while he was weak when he completed his before the serum the fact he completed it shows he at least knew how to fight and i at least assume anything else besides basic military training was better the end of first avenger of him waking up and avengers
Maybe he just always had hands 🤷
great video topic. i’ve always felt like this was brushed under the rug and never explained
When he fought Loki in Avemgers, Natasha says “he’s all over the place”. He theoretically could have then been trained by shield. In the comics, the taskmaster becomes an instructor for shield agents.
Serum allows him to do everything a human can do with max efficiency. This means physically and mentally. He could be one of the greatest minds on Earth but sticks to his preferred military tactics which is why he’s the best in that regard.
There’s a decent amount of time from the beginning of the first captain America to the end. He learned how to fight during the war
The serum enhanced everything. Memory, reflexes, control, coordination, strength, speed, dexterity. It wouldn't be too difficult to think he could see a move a damn near replicate it perfectly.
He grew up poor in Brooklyn in the 1920s & 30s & he went through special ops training & hell week in an elite force of army tacticians.
He KNEW how to fight.
This have ALWAYS been a thing whether its a movie or an anime, characters get power ups and use moves they NEVER used before, like how on earth they even knew they are able to do it??
He was in the military and was basically in spec ops he obviously would’ve learned to fight there
The Russos answered this when Winter Soldier came out saying Capt spent the past few years learning and training at every Martial Art he could find, and since he’s on the serum he can go hard and learn a different discipline in like a week.
I was just about to reply the same thing. This has been answered people.
In the first Cap film, he seemed to know basic fighting techniques that was taught in the US Marines in the WW2 era, such as boxing, catch wrestling and street fighting, though it is likely the Bucky taught him how to fight before he had basic training in the Marines. After he was thawed in 2011 he appears to have learned Brazilian Ju Jitsu, Judo, Jeet Kun Do, Karate (Kyoushin, Shotakin, Miyagi do), Mauy Tai, Krav Maga, Greco Roman Wrestling, the modern US Marines Defense system and Tang So Do(John Lawrences fighting style) via the internet. These skills along with his shield allowed him to beat Tony Stark in his armor and hold his own against Ultron and Thanos. MCU Steve is defenitly one of the most skilled fighters in fiction.
MCU captain America knows 11 forms of martial arts 👍
Comic book captain America knows 28 form of martial arts 💀
Before he went thru the Super Soldier Procedure, Steve was recruited by Erskine into the Super Soldier training program. It was not Army basic training as everyone seems to be commenting bcuz everyone there was being trained to be super soldiers and it was a secret special forces base for the project. It wasn't included in the montage nor was the amount of time spent there, but since it was called Camp LeHigh a designation only given to Marine bases (and not Fort LeHigh), it was at least a 9 to 12 month regime of special forces training.
And whatever training and lessons he received he could instantly recall and apply after he receives the serum bcuz he was shown to be able to memorize dozens of locations on a Hydra map at a seconds glance in dim lighting.
It's likely the remaining trainees from Project:Rebirth were sent to the 141st with Bucky and the Commandos bcuz it was a special forcws battalion. That's why Hodge was in the audience at Steve's USO show for the troops and why Steve picked some of the men from that unit to be the Commandos. Those men also went on to help found SHIELD after the war.
He was first trained by the military during WW2. He became a better fighter after he was thawed out because of the information about different fighting styles that were accumulated over the decades. If you noticed in the first film he had more of a brawler type of fighting style along with a little judo. That was pretty much the basics of what soldiers learned at that time. By the time he was revived America had learned much more styles especially from Asian countries. This is why his fighting style after the first avengers movie included more martial arts from different countries in Asia. Like other comments have stated, because of his heightened intellect and physical ability, it it didn’t take him long to master those styles.
He was reading a bunch of books when he was in the training camp, probably a couple of those were about hand to hand combat, also he fight all his life(most of the time loosing) but that at least gave him a lot of experience in fighting, especially fighting against someone stronger than him.
A boy in Steve's era, it was considered regular for boys at some point to take up boxing and wrestling. If he was in Scouts, some principles of wrestling were regularly taught. In middle and high school, there was more emphasis on physical fitness when he growing up. When he was revived, I could see Steve throwing himself into improvements of his physical fitness and learning modern fighting techniques such as Krav Maga, Vale Tudo, Jeet Kune Do, Muay thai, even strength training and pylometrics. Physical fitness in schools peaked in the 1960's with Kennedy's emphasis on strong men and women...it has declined to the point that very few american schools have a p.e. program.
That's not actually what I wondered, although, good question on the fighting.. I always wonder where he got his god like shield abilities? Knowing exactly what angle to hit, and how hard to hit it to make it hit multiple foes AND return all Boomerang like LoL I love Captain America though, so I'm letting it slide :-D
The answer is simple,he learn new fighting combat skill when he join shield.
Shield started to sent him on mission and to be efficient in his missions he had to train.
Basic fighting skills are taught in the military, some “street skills” he learned from remembering how he was bullied, and then there’s the fact that he’s a superhero.
He didn’t have to learn how to fight because 99.9% of fights would be easy. He learned from his failure, or from fights that should’ve been easier than they were.
He’s aware of his abilities and is simply adapting. When you’re basically a god, know what being a mortal is like, the contrast in those experiences should teach you.
Except in universe it was stated that in between Avengers and Winter Soldier Capt learned all the Martial Arts he could find and trained non stop at them, that’s why he’s so bad ass in Winter Soldier.
Actually he was trained in Defendu a hybrid martial discipline that combines, American Boxing, Wrestling, Jujitsu, Judo, Savate, Chinese Kung Fu, and Indian Gatka that was developed by William Fairbairn a Former Marine and Policeman when Shanghai was under British control.
@byronic I don’t really care what the cannon is, the practical reality is what I said. That’s how this would work, he can’t really lose, so he can fail 10,000x and it doesn’t matter.
If you can’t die, which he cannot, failing all the time isn’t really failing at all. The backstory makes it feel like it’s a thing you can do, it also ignores that he isn’t particularly special at all… he just got made special.
He went through basic. Even setting aside his years of experience as a punching bag, he’d have had some formal training in boxing in that era, if not the hapkido and such common a generation later. He was probably terrible at it, but it’s still all in his head.
He learns super quick and has exceptional muscle control. The prime physical and mental human specimen.
This isn’t really even a question if you know the circumstances. What’s funny is that Peggy, who had a great deal more training before being introduced to the super soldier serum in What If, was an absolute BEAST. She could probably whoop Steve’s ass.
He was trained as Camp X & the other joint American OSS & British Commando schools...
Same place he learned how to steal a vehicle as mentioned in The Winter Soldier
Even before the serum he was bullied and he got into fight with stronger kids so he must ave learn some fighting technical or at the very least he got beat up enough he is familiar with all the tricks and moves used in street fights.
Between Avengers and Winter Soldier, Cap trained with Romanoff and his team with Rumlow. Before that, he probably trained with his squad in WWII.
The serum was said to enhance everything, muscle, personality, mind, etc. Pretty easy to see that his mental capacity was greatly enhanced.
During his shows, I imagine he had a lot of down time, he could have spent that time learning various military things. Since his brain is also super powered from the serum, he may only need one lesson to master something that takes a normal human months. A week of intense martial arts training could bring him up to master level due to not only his mind, but also his recovery abilities.
So he'd be able to be trained in necessary military training in no time.
After he was thawed out, they could quickly bring him up to speed. These scene of him having flashbacks shows him working out in a gym. It's not a stretch to think he's also training in some modern martial arts as well.
Again, he could probably master a martial art style in a week, so a few months out of the ice, and its no wonder he's the best in hand to hand combat.
He learned how to fight as a kid getting his ass kicked all the time. But that was just the start, once turned into a super soldier, his brain was also enhanced to peak human levels he was able to learn from every fight he was in. The more he fought the more he perfected his styles. Much like taskmaster copies every one they fight to get better.
Cap learned to fight in the Army, of course. But even before that, he had to learn to fend for himself just to survive being Brooklyn's favorite doormat (not, we should add, because of any lack of spirit -- that's part of the whole "fending for himself" thing).
He fought the Not Zees for years and Hydra. We didn't see every second of every day. He trained. We see him training occasionally.
He spent a lot of time on military bases while selling war bonds and probably trained their, most of his skills probably come from extensive shield training after he came back from the ice
My thoughts are that in between The Avengers and TWS is where Shield trained him.
I wish we could’ve seen The Avengers training scenes together in AOU too
I just chalked it up to his being like Taskmaster, he can watch someone fight then copy it perfectly. There's a movie called Chocolate from Thailand about an autistic girl who learns to copy moves by watching movies, each fight scene is mimicking martial artists from Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan to Tony Jaa and Iko Uwais, Cap probably did something like that, watch boxing and martial arts tournaments, then take it out on punching bags, there really was nobody he could spar with that would have pushed him to his limits or allow him to go full out on them.
He learned combat skills in boot camp. I'm sure as time went on he learned more and trained
They could at some point show young Steve Rogers Captain America get training from Ulysses bloodstone in an adventure that takes them out of normal time (perhaps captured by the TVA where they have nothing to do but train). Ulysses bloodstone is several millennia old and goes about hunting monsters so he would know several fighting styles. This scene could feature Ulysses taking on Marvel superheroes from different times simultaneously. Perhaps Union Jack, the Patriot, Steve Rogers, John Steele, Two Gun Kid, Phantom Reporter, Moon Knight etc. as they await processing by the TVA.
Breh, he went through basic training in the United States Army. They might have not shown that montage, but you can safely assume he was taught in basic, whether he got his ass whooped or not, he's able to translate those fighting moves a hellova lot better post serum.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention about MCU Captain America
I’m assuming Mr.Rogers did have some sort of combat training while in boot camp,the serum would just enhance those abilities tenfold… 😲
Simple, the super serum accelerated his learning curve.
In the army captain americ learned cqc, boxing, savate and gymnastics
In modern day after avengers 1 i'm pretty sure when we worked for shield he learned even more martial arts like muay thai, tae kwan do, aikido and sambo😊
He went through Army's boot camp after he becomes the Super Soldier.
The serum just enhanced his natural abilities and just like the doc said " good becomes great and bad becomes worse".
So even if he did know just the basics it would have been more than the basics because of the serum
He has a photographic memory, he can remember anything he sees or reads. As well as enhanced processing information from his other senses. Perhaps he has tapped peak cerebral function from the serum.This serves him well as a soldier and an artist.
In Avengers, as Natasha brings the quinjet closer to the square, she sees Cap fighting Loki and says, “God, he’s all over the place!”
When did he learn to fly a plane, like when he flew one in first avenger?… we can assume, since he was knocking bags off the hook, he knows how to fight… thanks for coming to my TedTalk
This is the singular flaw with MCU Cap. In the comics, the military put Rogers through an advanced regimen he wouldn’t have survived, were he not enhanced. But, he was. So he excelled. By the time Rogers received his official designation from FDR, he was the best fighting man the military had ever produced. But, in the MCU, the movies ignored this and just threw Rogers in the field. The massive gains in combat prowess, between the First Avenger and Winter Soldier, has never been explained. You have to go along with it. To me, that was a misstep.
"the captain is the best hand to hand combat expert in the MCU" *Daredevil laughing in the corner*
Edit because people don't understand : I'm not talking about the comics, I'm talking about the MCU only
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in the comics cap can basically one shot dare devil.
Right
@@Superdude-rd2gs😆 🤣 😂 nope
@@xR0N1Nx he's beaten dare devil in two hits before
He didn't need to learn. He thought of a move on the fly and his enhanced body was able to make it work.
Over time he'd see other people doing things and he'd copy them.
It showed him in training in his first movie..... He was skinny but he still went to basic training
I can take a guess that Captain America could've gotten his martial arts training before being redeployed after the 107 rescue mission.
The first few movies captin doesnt do any grwat fughting, just powerful punches and kicks. Captin America is also smarter then everyone else so hed learn really fast. Also boximg was a very popular thing during that time, he might have trained , but sucked because he was small. Judging by his ally fight, he had heart and had handked hits with no panic and kept going that comes with training and experience.
The reason you didnt see him training is because it would have taken too much time and wasn't necessarily important to the plot of the film when they already showed cap going through boot camp. Also im pretty sure Cap sought out other martial arts styles to learn during his time at the Avengers Compound. We never saw him take a driving test to ride his motorcycle. Yet he learned how to ride one and nobody is questioning that.
Maybe not only did the ceremony Durham affect his body but also his mind and he can learn stuff quicker Some guys fighting comes naturally And he got beat up a lot as a young man Each fight keyboard was a workout And a lesson
He has super strength super healing super reflexes why would he need to learn how to fight? Who else can possibly do this all day
There was some time, possibly weeks or months, between when SHIELD thawed him out and when we next see him in action in The Avengers. I would think that Fury would have seen to his training during that time. With his enhanced physical and mental abilities, and SHIELD's resources, Cap could probably achieve a mastery level of numerous martial arts in just a matter of months.
Well to start with he was made to go through boot camp before he took the super soldier serium, after he came out of the ice he was working closely with Shield and probably trained with their agents. After shield fell he would have continued training with Clint Barton and Natasha Romanoff as well as all the other Avengers which would explain their ability to work as a team.
Four years in WWII taught him multiple fighting styles.
He literally says in that scene, I wish a had more time to practice with the shield. Before he jumps from the plane
I mean his fighting was really clunky and telegraphed in the first film, he got his ass kicked by red skull but most of the hydra grunts he fought didn’t stand a chance, but after he came out of the ice he was recruited by shield and probably trained in martial arts with shield agents, the things he did in the first movie were from what he learned in basic
Well he was in alot of fights in which he lost. So he knows how to lose a fight. Then he got the serum. Then a WW2 battle montage.
Nice video - This is a question I've been wondering about since these movies first came out - his origin film seemed mostly ok - I accepted that he just threw himself in and winged it, and luck and momentum took care of the rest (mostly, lol) - but the problem was that immediately he ended up frozen - I figured if they'd just included a quick time lapse, then we could imagine him building these skills over some indeterminate offscreen period
- but no, he immediately goes down into the ice, then wakes up for Avengers - that's where I really noticed this discrepancy, especially in Act 3 during the alien invasion; how is it that he's suddenly this big strategic thinker that everyone listens to? So that's the big glitch as I saw it - then in Winter Soldier it's clear some time has passed and he's had enough chance to develop
This is exactly what I asked myself when watching the first Captain America movie for the first time.
I was like.. "Wait a minute"
Cap probably trained in between scenes, like how we don’t see the Green Goblin make his pumpkin bombs. A quick training montage could’ve negated all of this needless speculation on the part of this video.
First, also love your vids 😀
Cap has always been my favorite hero and I'll defend his prestige and honor to the death usually, but while I might agree he's ONE OF (maybe even in top five) the best hand to hand fighters in the MCU, I would not agree that he's the absolute best.
And then once you start talking about the comics that's all a whole different story itself. lol
Growing up Bucky taught him how in the streets
the writers taught him how to fight
Before Steve got the Serum he had to fight his whole life. He just wasn’t strong enough to win. The military probably taught him, also Bucky probably gave him some pointer. But Steve learn more afterwards during the war, right after he sock Hitler a few 100 times, lol. He got better with them haymakers. Then after the ice, Shield taught him before meeting the Winter soldier. The Question I really wanna know if Steve wasn’t taught, would he still be a better fighter while Bucky was still controlled by Hydra. If Shield didn’t updated his fighting skill. I myself believe Winter Soldier would have won, probably kill his good old Pal, and finally taking all the stupid with him.
Rogers knew how to fight. He was just too small and weak. And also too brave and stubborn to run from figths he couldn't win
Captain America doesn't have bullet time but arrow time. You learn to fight in military
when you have super human strength, agility, durability, and speed techniques are now second by nature as you know you have the body to carry an impossible task for a regular human.
as TonySarks say everything special about Cap only came from the bottle.
They teach you to fight in basic training… unarmed combat is one of the things they spend a lot of time teaching
What kind of question is this?
Cap was on the military and in Shield.
The real question is where didn’t he learn how to fight?
Cap is one of MCU's best martial artists, but definitely not the single best there is. Shang-Chi is. Others who also outskill Steve are Black Widow and Iron Fist.
Also, how huge would a healthy, fit man be with the SSS?
Little Stevie got pretty big.
During World War 2 hand-to-hand combat training was included with the Army Marines and navy.I don't know about the air force
He was in the military. Of course they had combat training
It was the 1940's; guys just knew how to fight.
Well, he was in the Military for a while.
Why is Charlie in to thumbnail?
Having an Avengers teammate/S.H.I.E.L.D. colleague like Natasha Romanoff, I'm sure he learned a few things from her.
He was trained by the military. Albeit off screen
Bro is a war veteran
If you watch his fighting style in The First Avenger, it's rather basic punches and kicks. Very meat-and-potatoes stuff that probably doesn't require much training for a super soldier to do. It's also pretty much the same in the first Avengers movie, since he had just been defrosted and probably had not yet been introduced to more modern fighting styles.
He likely began training in those styles between Avengers and Winter Soldier once he began working more missions with SHIELD and realizing the necessity of being a more diverse fighter in a world where martial arts styles have become common methods of hand-to-hand combat. And being a super soldier with enhanced endurance means that he can train longer and more intensively, picking up such fighting styles much quicker than the average person.
HE WENT THRU BASIC TRAINING DURING WWII! They teach you how to fight! Most don’t need to be spoon fed that info. They use their common sense.
Perhaps Ra's Al Ghul trained Steve Rogers off screen. But that's just a theory.
Lol,
Captain was in the military, and went threw basic training.
(they don't just teach you to march.)
recall the underwire part ware a guy kick the wires down on him, well there, just you didn't see it is all.
(true the captain did fall behind allot, but he learn to fight there...)
Isn't there an implied if not stated time skip after he got the serum?
To clarify I'm talkingng about during the propaganda campaign
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