OMP Hobby M2 EXP vs Blade Fusion 180 Smart Bench Review And Flight
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- čas přidán 31. 03. 2022
- In this video we go the all new Blade Fusion 180 Smart vs the OMP Hobby M2! Both are great helicopters and I personally like them both! I recommend both of them. Let me know witch one you like?
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From one of your earlier subscribers, I am so excited to see that the channel has exploded in short amt of time. You are the best heli reviewer on CZcams thanks. I love the m2 I wish it was belt drive, beside that I go for the 180.
Thank you! I’m glad you have stuck around and been here since almost the beginning! Belt drive is great but try the S2. They really made a DD tail performance as great if not better then a belt at this size!
Your videos gives a lot of people a lot of information. A lot of poeple make flight videos of there helicopters, but they do not speak on there flight. After time the videos will get boring. Love your videos because when you fly your helicopters you talk about the helicopter, which make the videos more entertaining. Keep up the great videos, it’s a pleasure you like this hobby a lot just like I do :)
Thank you! Appreciate it, I personally hate videos where people are just flying and they call them a review. When there is nothing explained or said throughout the video. Now I fully understand that when flying 3-D it can be very complicated to try to talk and think the whole time. But if you’re going to make review videos you need to talk and explain the model and or the differences.
Love your reviews your a helli guy. Im all excited the rest of my micro helli parts just came in for the 150 was waiting on cover and main shaft
Appreciate it man! Just trying to give my honest opinion and honest review between two because they are both such great helicopters and I have yet to see anyone talking about the key points between design parts and flight performance
I've always been a blade guy but this omp is looking pretty incredible. I like the tail boom and the blades on the omp. It also seems more responsive but that's hard to truly judge by watching someone else fly it on CZcams. And you mentioned you have it fully setup to your transmitter. There is a big reason I'm a blade guy though, I'd never even heard of omp lol! That's just me not getting enough free time now that I'm supposed to be an adult. Plus the shop where I live stocks all the blades and their parts. Parts being available immediately is a pretty big advantage. Not getting omp parts locally is not a deal breaker though. I can wait or plan ahead. But yeah thanks for making this video! You've truly shown me something that I didn't know I wanted until now lol! It would still be difficult to choose one over the other. However, having never flown anything but blade helis I'm really interested in this new (to me) heli.
Side note: the new CZcams zoom feature was extremely helpful for this video. I'm usually always on my phone so now that I can zoom in and see things your mentioning much more clearly. Even during the fights it was handy, to a point.
Great video comparisons.... but the OMP sounds and looks like it handles the wind well. Very Strong motor too. Lesser parts to replace due to the direct drive definitely win many beginner's heart....haha. Thank you for the video!
Thank you! The M2 is definitely the a fantastic heli! Power is crazy and flight controller is super nice! The M2 is definitely my daily flyer just because I have it set to my liking and parts are super cheap! One thing I didn’t touch on in the video and I would like to of is durability. The M2 is definitely cheaper to crash and holds off very well. The reason I did not touch on it is because I have not crash the 180 so I have no say on how it holds it
Nice video explaining these two. I think they are both cool as well. Looking at getting the blade though.
Thank you! They both are incredible little helicopters and I really have a hard time choosing one and or the other I like them both. If I was a beginner I would definitely choose the N2 just for the stabilization and the flight controller seems to be a little bit better then the 180 but I have the M2 setup to my flying style and have not messed much with the 180.
Combination of both of them. I love it. Direct drive from OMP, but Servo geometry from Blade and belt driven heck from blade too....and all metall upgrades... i work for this...
Well just finished your review lol I'm going to get both thanks for making me broke 😆
Your Welcome! Lol Hobby is why I can never be rich! I spend it all on these things lol
ive been trying to get into this hobby for two years now. i built one gaui x3 and it never flew right, it would shake in the air and i couldnt tune it out with the brain flight controller. so i bought a pre built gaui x3 and it flew great till i crashed it and had to rebuild it. i also did the same thing with the blade 180 it was the old crappy version. this is the first video that ive heard so much usefull commentary. im gunna have to get the omphobby and see how i can do with that. i build and fly a ton of five inch racing drones and 3d helis just seem to be the holy grail for me i want to fly 3d so bad but i crash every time. i can do it in the sim no prob though. its incredibly hard for me. im so used to just being able to crash without repercussion. thank you for the video!
Take your time and practice how many helicopters are the hardest part of this hobby. But the most rewarding part of a hobby. Crashes happen and can definitely add up very quickly. Definitely practice a bunch on the simulator and learn your orientation! A very important step that gets overlooked a lot. When helicopter crash things get bent, The slightest bend can create vibrations and the helicopters to do weird things. Always make sure that after crash you thoroughly inspect the model and make sure there is nothing bent and or out of whack. Even the slightest little thing that you might think it’s OK it’s not. It doesn’t come overnight and can take some longer than others but if you stay consistent learn your orientation when your basic maneuvers circuits forward backwards inverted forward and backwards before you ever try 3-D. Do you want to be able to put that helicopter anywhere you want while upright before ever trying 3D.
Knowing how to fly racing drones is going to help you learn faster than someone without rc flying experience at least. It might not help a ton but it will help a little I think.
I started learning 3d on the blade 130x and it's always been my favorite heli, micro or bigger. What I did to learn to fly 3d is once I felt truly ready I would fly high to give myself some chance of recovery if I messed up. I don't remember when exactly I started but there was not a panic switch or anything like safe mode. I also never used a simulator, I still haven't. I'm not trying to brag here, I'm just trying to say learning to fly 3d was a lot more expensive back then than it is now lol!
@@Douglas_I thank you for the response. i wound up buying a sab goblin raw 700 and never built it. i feel like ill probably cut my head off if i build it.
I already have both of them but I have the original fusion 180 and the exact same omp m2 I love both of them .
100% honesty I can’t decide one and or the other. They’re both fantastic little helicopters and I enjoy both of them!
Had the M2, ESC fried on the 3rd flight doing figure 8s. Got left hanging when I politely contacted where I bought it from. Was very close to getting the 180 up until a buddy offered a SAB Fireball Havoc BNF for under $300. Good video regardless of the above.
That is very weird! I’ve got M2s with thousands of whites on them. All stock electronics. Where did you buy it from? How long did you own it before it quit I know you said third flight but was it recent after you purchased?
@@westhobbiesrc8051 - I'm not going to put the name out publicly given its a small hobby shop that supports our local events. Times are tough enough as it is for smaller business and although I've washed my hands of the place I've seen them take care of other people. It was brand new, only the 3rd flight, no 3D just figure 8s. Only had it a month. It sucks given I'd spent plenty of $$$ with them and although they're online only they are based less than 3hrs away
@@grege2383 regardless of who you purchased it through send a email to support@buddyRC With a picture copy of your receipt explain what is going on and go from there.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 - I contacted them too, they said they'd contact my vendor & I never heard anything more from either. After months of waiting I traded it for a broken small generator (my buddy loves the M2 and had a broken generator he was tired of messing with). The alternative would have been a 200ft drop from my Logo 600. It sucks given I like their (Buddy RC) batteries but oh well. I still may eventually get the 180 if the Havoc and Align T50 don't work out.
Excellent video
Thank you!
Awesome review!! Definitely two great opponents hard to choose between them.
Just to clarify - You do not lose battery telemetry by swapping the IC2 for a different connector. You still get all the telemetry from the heli to the Radio with any kind of battery. The IC2 connector on the Smart batteries is only there to communicate with the Spektrum chargers, not the helicopter.
Hmmm! Really? So on my other smart ESC it you don’t have a Smart battery you don’t get the telemetry. Have you tired it?
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Definitely. I swapped the iC2 connector for an XT-30 connector on my 230S Smart and all the telemetry data was still there such as battery voltage, current, etc. The telemetry is done by the Smart ESC in communication with the Spektrum receiver.
@@ramus9 that’s good to know, on there plane ESC to get the full telemetry you need the smart packs.
@westhobbiesrc - I have a fusion 180 smart and I’m trying to run opentx on a TX16s with it. I’m having a problem with tail wagging and I think it is related to burning out / binding my first tail servo. I replaced it today and it seemed ok then the tail just stopped responding and the helicopter started spinning. I landed it and I can’t get the tail servo to respond. It isn’t bound, but won’t respond. The TX16 shows it is sending the signal to ch4, but the servo does nothing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Bam ! OMP. Looks like a little better build and I like the fiberglass canopy. Great comparison
One of my favorite parts about OMP was the fiberglass canopy but unfortunately they are now plastic!
Great video sir, I have a nx8 & the radiomaster tx16s do you know how are where I could find the files for the fusion 180?
Well, I was just about to pull the trigger on the M2 then I watched your videos on the M1. My limited heli experience is with a couple of small fixed pitch types and the XK K110. I'm a little confused as to whether the M1 or M2 would be the best next step heli for me.
Both are fantastic helis but I would suggest the M2 over the M1 just because it’s a little bigger and flys a little better. The M1 is great and my favorite micro and go to micro heli! Either one you will be happy with.
What up Bro?...was hoping that you would do a video on both of these...so thank you!!!....at the beginning you was talking about the fusion180 not being bright enough to see...i have a problem seeing the smaller helis so as far as the color spectrum goes on what colors that our eyes can see the best is...bright green/yellow...our eyes see the green spectrum the best but if it is enhanced with a little bit of yellow then we as humans can see that color the best...so look into that...i use that color for most of my stuff to mark either the bottom of a airplane or anything else...i like the 480 because it already has bright colors on it...all i did was airbrush the top of the rotor tips and tail rotor blades so that i could see it better and i could easily tell the difference whenever it was up side down...now the bright orange on the m2v2 is good but i also airbrushed the rotor tips and tail rotor the same bright orange to see it better:)
The fusion 270 is by far my favorite color scheme helicopter blade has made. I really like that yellow and neon yellow green color for helicopters. Vizza Bility is everything! If you can’t see it you’re gonna screw up more and then if you can tell where and what direction the model is at at all times. I see guys flying with no canopy and doing hard smack 3-D and have zero idea how they’re doing it lol because it makes it so much harder to keep orientation when you don’t have a colorful mark to go by. The biggest complaint with the 180 is definitely the choice of colors. But that is being fixed as we speak I got a brand new micro Heli colorful canopy and gonna wrap the tail boom just like the M2 so it will be very visible! I really like the fusion 480 as well! It is on my list to build
How are you speeding the servos up? Ive heard you talk about this before Thanks!
Great video, decided on the M2. Where can I get the wrap for the tail boom?
Thank you! The M2 is a fantastic model! You won’t be disappointed. The wrap is Neon Yellow vinyl from Amazon
Well, I've bought two OMP2's. One Explorer and one V-2. I own several Blades in different models and I've only really liked the newer ones. I'm thinking OMP and Horizon need to sponsor you LOL!!! Cuz I'm probably going to get me a 180 too.
I think it was worth it for sure..it does fly nice good toon ..i didnt have to do much ..long as you got a radio able to get the forward program .because i dont think you can hook the new 6250 up to a computer. .i had to update my radio to do it but the esc can be tooned with stick gestures witch i thought was pretty cool
@@jakelang4387 the 6250’s can be tuned with a pc with the update cable
@@davidosborne4970 i was going to see if i could but updated the radio instead.. .think you its my first one for having to do that.
I’ve got two M2s as well, absolutely love them! They are such fantastic models. The newer blade lineup is definitely the best they have done so far. I really like that they went to the 6250 with full forward programming to your radio which makes it really nice for the user can adjust and tune to their liking. One of my biggest complaints with their FPL’s in the past was not being able to speed my servo response up. I like a super fast sensitive and twitchy helicopter. I would love for OMP to sponsor me! Blade kind of has but not fully.
I’m pretty sure you can hook up the 6250 to the computer for programming. Definitely an awesome FBL and best they have used so far. Being able to adjust forward programming on your radio is awesome and one of the best parts I like about the 6250
Go into forward programming and adjust the throttle offset. I set mine to 0 in normal and -10 in stunt 1. That gives you a much more usable stunt 1 and normal mode.Also have to change the hover throttle setting to 65.I’ve turned the cyclic gains up a lot in stunt 2 and the Heli is super stable now and flies great.Out of the box mine flew like a turd lol.after a weeks tuning it’s great now.I also changed the afr on collective from 43 to 55.
I’ll have to give that a shot! I have not played with that part and forward programming and or the throttle.
Great Review ¡ What I do not understand is why BLADE narrowed the 180 only to work with SPECTRUM Radios , I am a FUTABA S-Bus user and seems there´s no way I can have a Blade Fusion 180 binded to S-FHSS protocol
Thank you! Well it’s pretty simple, blade is a horizon hobby product horizon hobby is who makes Spektrum so of course they are going to only make their stuff to go to their radio. Which of course narrows down for other users unless you’re flying a radio master TX16S but no can’t do Futaba
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Very interesting insight about Horizon Hobby /Spectrum/Blade , I also have a Radiomaster TX16s ....so with this is possible to bind and fly the 180?
Horizon hobby is who makes Blade, eflite, Spektrum and so on. So they always make there stuff for there radios. Like how Futaba makes there stuff for there radios and so on. Yes the TX16S will do DSMX protocol so it will bind to the fusion 180 and any Blade heli or eflite plane or DSM2/DSMX RX
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Great News for me , Thanks a Lot
@@flycammexico2441 your welcome!
Putting vinyl on the boom was very clever! I like it.
Whats the size of the battery "hole"?
Definitely makes the tail a ton more visible! The battery bay? On the M2?
@@westhobbiesrc8051 yes, on the M2.
Just wondering if I already have batteries that fit :)
Where did you buy this tail boom wrap on the OMP?
It’s vinyl from Amazon. You can get any color you like and wrap the boom
Good comparison ! I went with the M2 V2 .... Please tell me where did you get the boom vinyl wrap in that neon yellow ! How does it apply ?
Great choice! The M2 V2 is a fantastic model! The neon yellow vinyl is sold on Amazon for crickets. Just cut the fit.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 ....for crickets ??
@@215cyclone the vinyl cutter. Maybe Circuit
Hi I love your video`s I watch them often. And how did you set up the Rescue Mode in the Spektrum? Thanks Man
Thank you for watching! I greatly appreciate it! Rescue for the OMP M2 or Blade 180?
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thank you and sorry but it was meant for the OMP M2
@@jentjedragonfly so as of right this second there is no easy way for rescue. I’m working on a way to do it with mixing so you still keep normal mode or “self level “
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Ok i`ve been looking for a while . And thank you for replying back
I've got the original Blade Fusion 180 and the M2 Explore. For me, the M2 is light years ahead of the Blade. Build quality is better, the flybarless unit is better. The tail performance on my Blade is terrible with awful wag. The M2 is rock solid. For me, the OMP is the winner in so many ways.
M2 hands down. Well said @tomatwalden. I’ve got four. Also have a couple Blade 150’s and a 230. As you said tail performance is nowhere close on the Blade helis. Really are comparing apples and oranges. The new little M1 Evo is an absolute beast and a Rolls Royce level micro.
@@stevejohnston8543 Indeed. I tried to get my Blade Fusion 180 to match the M2 by putting a nano-BeastX flybarless unit it and microheli swash plate to get rid of the slop in the head. It improved things, but it's still nowhere near as good as the M2. I also recently bought the M1 evo and it's frankly amazing. Just *the best* micro heli out there (slight caveat, the Goosky's seem quite good also)
@tomawalden Do you or West coast have any suggestions as far as rectifying my tail issues with the 230? I’ve tried different gain settings but don’t know that much about what I’m doing to be honest. The tail snaps (bounces) back and wags badly when yawing sharply, especially in one direction. Bird flies decent other that. Any input or suggested tail rotor settings? Thanks.
@@stevejohnston8543 Sorry, TBH I always found Blade helis with motor driven tails to have poor holding compared to the likes of OMP. I've never really found a solution. Back in the day, the likes of the 130X dominated the micro scene, but times have moved on and I've never found a way to get the tail to hold on a Blade model when compared to a modern equivalent. Sorry!
Excellent review. As a newbie heli flyer I am concerned about crash worthiness. In your opinion, is one of these more durable for a new pilot who is likely to crash a lot?
I have the M1 and M2, a few Blades... Nano S3, BL2 and a few XK K110's. I would say for a new pilot I would go for the new XK K110S. The XK can take the most beating with the least damage from my experience. Though all of them will break if the crash is severe enough. Also the K110S is less expensive than the M1 and probably the Fusion 180. Get a Fusion 180 or M1 later.
I can’t talk on the new fusion 180 but I can say the M2 will handle a crash great! and the helicopter is extremely stable I believe the actual self level is better. Parts are super cheap so personally I would recommend you getting the M2 just because of that. The part count is less so in a crash you won’t have to worry so much.
@@rock4401 Thanks. I bought a K110 a couple of weeks ago and have been flying/crashing the heck out of it. I have a lot of experience with fixed wing RC but am really enjoying exploring the world or RC helis. I'm looking ahead to my next heli.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks. I did notice the lower part count and the robust look of the head on the M2. Right now I'm learning on a XK K110, but am itching to move up to something a little bigger. I'm enjoying your CZcams channel.
@@txdave2 thank you for watching! I am glad you are enjoying the channel. I would personally recommend to go with the M2 just because of the lower part count very easy to work on a quality awesome helicopter and a flight performance that is incredible. Parts are super cheap and I have full repair videos on pretty much everything you need on the channel
Nice Video. I like the OMP M2 heli also. But i have a problem by 100% servo travel adjust and full nick or roll the swash plate scratch the main rotor shaft. Is that normal? Kind regards Daniel.
That definitely doesn’t sound right, I would not say that’s normal because neither one of mine do it. Let me look into that and I will let you know
Thank you for looking into. It‘s strange because the problem is out of the box and the OMP M2 is brand new. By the way the same problem i have on a brand new Eachine E150 too. Kind regards Daniel
@@danielschibig8014 if it’s the same on both helis then it’s a radio output issue. What radio?
At the Eachine E150 it‘s the originale one out of the box and at the OMP M2 it‘s a spektrum NX6.
Boy oh boy is that a interesting one...i do like both and fly them alot ..for sure ..the m2 is more versatile and more of a beginning heli but the 180 is cheaper to buy but i think a beginner is going to slame it in the dirt faster than they would a m2 ..the m2 is 10 times easy to program and set up ....i say m2 still:) is better
It’s definitely a hard choice to pick only one between the two. They are both fantastic machines! I enjoy them both differently and in their own way. The 180 definitely flies lighter but I think the M2 definitely has more power. Especially for it only being a 3S helicopter vs a 4s machine.
I had my 180 out tonight about 10 packs ..i flew it so much that the top bearing in the aluminum block is going out..main shaft has some side to side play..i first noticed it started getting real dirty and slinging black ooze all over ..so i cleaned it up and seen some of the ballbearings are gone..so gues i have to order a few
Wow! It seems better than my m2. Seems like a buy
I would not see better but a very good runner up or competitor. They both have their plus and minuses! I will say that the M2 definitely has a better power ratio but the 180 is lighter.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 but the belt driven tail on a heli that small is a W
@@Twx97 yes that is! Probably my favorite part!
I recently picked up a blade 230s smart. It’s complete junk. Had to send it back. Got it back and I won’t fly it. In the meantime I picked up an m2 Evo. There’s just no comparison.
When it’s windy, is the heavier heli more stable?
They’re both about the same. The 50 g heavier it’s not gonna make too much of a difference. Really it comes down to the FBL unit. OMP definitely has a very stable FPL unit.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks. How about the wideness of the blades? Do you prefer wider blades? I remember e-hirobo launched a heli that they never sold but they claimed then that it was the smoothest and quietest flying heli. I noticed that it had pretty wide blades.
@@chrisquidlt1113 wide blades are very nice but as far as difference and feel comes into a few different factors. Wider paddle blades are going to be a lot more responsive at lower had speed and hire her to speed. But they will be more draggy at the same time, a narrower paddle Blade is going to be less responsive at low head Speed and very responsive at higher head speed with a faster and quick response.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 gotcha, makes sense. Thanks
150s is still my favourite micro flyer….. easy and quick to repair in the field…. The others… field repair… most likely naaaaah. M1 a M2 great, but have odd quirks as to what likes to break…. I have had a few servos go…tail mount and boom can be very sensitive to any type of impact… Likes to snap of at the body mount… batteries don’t stand up to well to hard 3D abuse… tray mount not the most popular choice….180… is ok… like the tail driven setup… but also not a field repair type Heli..
I have flown the older 150s multiple times. And I can tell you I am not impressed. Now I can’t talk on the new 150 smart but the older 150s are heavy no power and flight performance will never compare to an M2. There is no helicopter that can take a crash after crash without something breaking. The M2 is probably the easiest and fastest helicopter you could ever fix and replace parts on. I have owned both and can personally tell you that the M2 is way faster to repair and fixed in any other helicopter of its size because of the simplicity and fewer part count.
Fusion totaly sucks in compared to M2.
I wouldn’t say totally sucks, they both have there plus and minuses depending on what you want or looking for.
Begginers will NEVER LEARN to fly with such helis......if you want to learn buy a goblin 500 or 570 at least.. small helis like up to sizes 450 (325-380mm blabes) are extremely hard for beginners....500 and up are extremely stable and controllable And of course cable of any kind extreme 3D......i have 6 helis right now 500-570-700... goblins mostly and Two Align.....i consider buy a small like these just to fly out on my balcony and 4s if have plenty of power will be able to do most of 3D manuvers.....,... show us bigger and more pro helis....that small ones aren all the same these days with stabilization etc
You saying beginners will “NEVER LEARN TO FLY” with such helis is very ignorant. You obviously don’t know much and realize that more people get into the Hobby with Blade smaller helicopter lineup and now the most sold helicopter around the M2. It has gotten more people into this hobby than any other helicopter on the market to this day. Do a little research! You obviously have not watched any of my other videos. I have helicopters from nano all the way up to 760. So yeah I’ve shown way more helicopters. No beginner is going to buy a goblin 500 or 570 😂 that is not the way to get somebody into the Hobby. That is the way to make people leave the Hobby very quickly. The OMP M2 is hands-down the best beginner helicopter you could buy regardless of what you think or say. The point of getting into the Hobby is cheap crash costs. If a person goes out and spends $2000 on a helicopter destroys it in minutes because they are again a “beginner”. They’re going to get discouraged very quickly! Especially when the part cost is going to cost you a minimum of $500 on a goblin crash or even a bigger Align crash. The thinking the bigger the better for beginning is old school and obviously you have never messed with the new technology. The M2 flies better than most bigger helicopters out there today and if not better just as good. Even world class 3-D smack pilots can still fly and M2 and have just as much fun is it will do anything and everything you want. Let’s see some of your amazing heli skills! I’ll be waiting for some videos!
Dude okay nice review about characteristic...but.....you need to learn to fly 3D....... I fly since 2014 helis...i own 3x 700 goblins helis 2 aligns 650 + 700 and lately other than these expensive And of course you need serious skills to fly hard without crash and minimum damage starts at least 500usd..... lately I got for fun a full 3D tiny Heli which I LOVED cause even if you crash it it still flying like new even after 100 crashes.... I talk for the XK110 Blast...... but the only thing I m not satisfied is the power . ..of cousin it's only one cell battery but I still can do easily piro flips piro tik tok and rainbows etc but sometimes it's obvious that it lack of power.....so I m looking for something More powerful like the ones you review but I can't see how they perform in hard 3D manuvers to decide etc....this is my complain from the videos i want more extreme 3D tricks and not just flips and simple rolls.....no offense....
I’ve been flying for 28 years so what’s your point? I can fly snark 3D and any hard 3D I want but it’s not flying style. I have 27 different helicopters from tiny to 760X. 99% of the people who watch my channel are the beginner and intermediate style pilots so why am I going to do a certain flying style and or videos for that 0.1%? ton of other channels that you will be more happy! Thanks for watching! Take care. Let me know when you start posting videos, would love to see your amazing skill..