701 And The Magic Dongle
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- čas přidán 27. 09. 2021
- I went on a journey to understand how the Fuel Torque O2 controller works. After speaking to Rex Fleiter from Fuel Torque I bought one, installed it on my Husky 701 and took it for a test run.
You can message Rex at / www.fueltorque.com.au
Or via email at: fueltorque@gmail.com
Note: I paid full price (AUD $220) for my Controller and believe it is money well spent. I don't get any commissions from Rex, I like promoting his product because I believe in it. - Jak na to + styl
Enjoyed the video! Interesting product. One way or another, it is pretty much mandatory to do something about the excessively lean part throttle closed loop mapping the 690 platform is forced to ship with. Big thumpers should rip off the bottom and the 690 does if fed enough fuel. I'm in the US and have a 701 Enduro with the Rottweiler dongle and PC6 with their map, trimmed airbox snorkel and a Yosh R-77 can. It did run notably better with just the dongle, but with the mapped PC6 and the can, the Kraken is really unleashed. My biggest challenge now is not going to jail because I like to do wheelies and they do come easy now 😆
While it helps a lot on it's own, the real purpose of the simple RT dongle is to take the O2 sensor out of the equation so the ECU won't "fight" the Power Commander. Adding a Power Commander with no dongle and the O2 sensor in place is pointless, as the ECU will adjust to lean out any settings in the PC back to the 14.7 AFR target.
It seems to me that if one just wants to run a dongle this device is the best way to go, but if they want to run a fully mapped PC6 setup, the Rottweiler dongle is the way to go as it deletes the O2 sensor entirely. The bike's fuel injection still adapts to temperature and elevation as it has the baro sensor in the airbox. The narrow band O2 sensor isn't there for our benefit, it is there strictly for emissions regulations in the closed loop area.
The 690 platform, once set up, really is the 50/50 dual sport unicorn. It may not be the "best" but it is "good enough" wherever it goes, with a serious helping of power. The bike's versatile fun lively nature is why I love it so much.
Hey Brent, great vid mate thanks for sharing. I will definately be ordering one for my 701!
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I had Rex retune my 500 excf for more mid range. Lots of Aussie owners swear by his work.
Great video, I'd seen this on the forums, thanks for speaking to Rex directly about the dongle.
Yeah, there is nothing better than going to the source and getting the lowdown "straight from the horses mouth". I really enjoyed meeting with Rex and chatting to him. He's a top bloke.
Nice one Brent...Something else il need to buy now :-)
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Dam Brent your making my shopping list longer every day.
Hey Gary, I hear you... If I don't get out of lockdown, my bike is going to way more than my GS did with aftermarket parts and I won't be able to afford the fuel :-). But I can honestly say that this dongle is money well spent. It really makes a significant difference to the bike.
@@brentbat your on the money again, Rex got one out to me this week and so much better down low. I was stalling a bit at low speeds as I was use to the GS tractor but now the 690 chugs so much better at low revs.
@@MrHumpo75 glad you are enjoying it. Yeah it makes a pretty noticeable difference.
Great content and info Brent. Well documented... now get out and ride that machine in the dirt. Cheers from Canada.
You have no idea how itchy I'm getting to get out and ride. We still can't.... We are in "Lockdown" for a few more weeks.
Morning Brent, first up your video production is great, so thank you. Yes, Ive also been reading some positive feedback about Rex and will keep doing some research and your video also helps that. I'm enjoying the additions your making as they are very much aligned with what i'm think for the bike once it arrives ( the style of heated grips, Cruise etc) .... except for the clutch...... IMO 😊. I looked at the Rekluse for the BMW but as my local (BM Motorcycles) said ... the old one lasted 100k so stick with the OEM. I realise there are other aspects to the Rekluse but maybe down the track.
I look forward to your next Vid,
David
Hey David, thanks for your note. On the Rekluse, just to clarify, the reason for this clutch has nothing to do with longevity, iti's what it gives you when climbing tricky terrain. You can just point the bike up steep hills in second gear and it is feathering the clutch for you beautifully as you motor up. No stalling... it's great. There are a couple of downsides to the Rekluse, but I love it for the tighter stuff.
Thanks Brent, I'll be really interested in your thoughts over time with the clutch
Great vid 👍
Great video
How is the difference in fuel economy? Be interesting to see any differences around town, on the highway and in the bush.
Brent awesome Mate
Thanks stay safe
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Hi Brent thanks for the great vid. I also have the LR and just got one of these from Rex in Brisbane after watching your review. Everything works just as you describe. Also I am interested in your thoughts on the MCCruise control unit as I've been considering one of these as well. Cheers.
Hey Mark
I really like the cruise control from MC Cruise. I came from a GS, so I was a bit spoilt and got used to cruise control and loved it for the longer trips. I fitted the cruise control myself (I'm pretty basic with the tools, so if I can do it... anybody can). The unit works really well... just the same as my GS cruise control. I'm getting ready for a 9-day trip through the Flinders Ranges, so I'll be doing some big distances, and the cruise control will just it make it that much more enjoyable. Also having some wind protection helps, and I've just got my Seat Comfort seat but haven't tried that yet... so I should be all set.
Ok sounds good. I’ve also got a 1200GS so know exactly how you feel. The 701LR is my latest ADV project I’m going to use to keep up with mates on 690s. My main concern with the cruise is fitting the controller on my bar that already has an additional fuel tank switch and headlight switch.
@@MarkMuller1000 Good luck... I can't help you with handlebar fit, but just know that they have two different control layouts. vertical and horizontal. Not sure if that will help.
In our local Israeli version, the dongle simply tells the ECU that the unit reading is fine- all time. it's doesn't adapt or calculate temp, pipe or filter data but it's still helps in low RPM. the upgraded air filter and the dongle together makes a big difference in performance, no doubt. hope you all can ride soon without restrictions.
So it’s a static o2 plug, right? Do you have one? I have a 2022 701 enduro and the throttle is very jerky due to how lean it runs in lower RPMs.
@@JohannesDalen I don't have one but it's DIY made by friend. the throttle isn't jerky (imho),just need more rev in technical places when low RPM. the open air filter helps to fixed this with the dongle.
Hi Brent, how’s that new dongle going to suit Euro5, I have a 701 on order not arriving in the country till early next year but reading about jerky throttle etc got me a bit concerned, should I just purchase this dongle and install as first upgrade, or is the jerky throttle a beat up. Im coming off a heavy adventure bike so looking forward to improving my off-road skills with the husky. Thanks for your videos, keep em coming, lovin it!
Dan, Ive done a few rides with it, and I like the power delivery, I just haven't been able to clock any economy stats because I have refueled from bladders etc. But I will be back in Aus riding again in October, so I'll try to keep some accurate ride data and update this post with what I find.
Thanks Brent look forward to your research👍
Hi Brent. Just bought a 2023 (Euro5) 701 in standard form. I love its relative quietness with stock pipe and airbox along with its excellent punch. The low end is, however, snatchy and as unpleasant as expected either for town riding (I live in London) or more technical trails so pondering doing what you did or other potential fixes. Just wanted to ask if it remained as good over the longer term? Thanks, Ian
Hey Ian
Sadly I found the fuel economy to be too much of a hit with the dongle.
I've gone back to stock for the moment, but I'm thinking of sending my ECU away to one of several companies that reprogram it to the correct air/fuel mixture. I know there are some folks that do it in the EU, you should do some research on it. It's more expensive than the dongle, but it is the "proper" solution for it.
Enjoy your 701... I just got back from the Victorian High Country on mine and had a hoot. It's an amazing bike... the more you ride it the more you will love it.
Should be great on the trails where you're using lower RPM's. As Rex said, it won't do anything above 4-5000rpms.
I'm in! I'll be ordering one of these dongles.
I have a recluse clutch that I haven't had the time to install but I also purchased a Clake 2 left hand brake after recently running into trouble on a steep hill climb. I stalled my bike 15 ft from the top. My gears held my bike in place and I was able to start again and make it up but I realized upon reflection that if I had the recluse my bike would have immediately rolled backwards then what often happens is a desperate Rev in a last ditch effort which causes the bike to flip over.
Thanks for the info about the dongle! I'm excited to try it!
Hey Firebox, yes, your comments are bang on regarding the Rekluse. I LOVE it for doing technical stuff and hill climbing, it makes it so easy, but you are right, stopping on a steep hill and rolling back is the risk. Was the Clake 2 brake difficult to install? That might negate the major downside of the Rekluse.
Hey. Did you get one in the end? How did it work out?
Hi Brent, in your video Re the magic dongle you mentioned cruise control module - can you tell me what you installed for this? Cheers.
Hey Todd, the cruise control is another Aussie invention. www.mccruise.com/
I think the cruise unit for my 701 was about $880 AUD. It's a bit expensive, but it works really well, and coming from a GS, I just grew to love having cruise control on my bike.
@@brentbat My cruise control cost 20c. Big o ring around gas handle. I can switch it on or of any time I want.....
Hey Brent, do you know if this is better(or at least why different) than the Rottweiler dongle that is significantly cheaper?
I haven’t personally tried both so I can’t offer a conclusive opinion, but did you watch Rex’s explanation of the differences?
Watch the video, you question is answered there.
Hi Brent, great vid. I have this Fuel Torque dongle but took it off as found the fuel consumption increased dramatically. Have you noticed this or am I doing something wrong?
Cheers
Andy
Yes, I took mine off as well. It was impacting fuel economy too much and running too rich. There are a few folks that remap the ECU directly now, which is the optimum thing to do.
I have a rottweiler fuel dongle in my 2021 701 sm,the jerky throttle is no more,runs richer,cooler.😍
Hi Brent, nice content. Are you still just as happy with the fuel dongle? Im about to take delivery on a new Euro 5 2022 701 and thsi sounds like something I need.
Hey Adrian
No, I'd probably hold off on the dongle. I found the fuel economy suffered too much and the bike actually ran too rich (fouling of plugs and exhaust header). So I have pulled mine off. I'm actually OK with the way the bike is riding without it. But if I did want to get more optimum low rev performance, I'd send the ECU away to one of the guys that remap it professionally.
Well, that answers my question. I also have a Euro 5 701 that I was about to get the "VC" dongle for. The maker of Rex's dongles also makes a leaner version called the "VE" for the Euro 5 ECU's. It is a compromise between ideal AFR and fuel consumption. I will give it a go instead. Can't go wrong for $130. In the future, I'll do as Brent suggests and get YURI in Toowoomba to remap my ECU. @@brentbat
Hey Brent, did you manage to get the workshop tune on your bike yet?
No, not yet. I coudln't fit it in before my trip. I'm overseas now, but will probably get it done in July.
Great video, following your 701 setup with interest as a 701/690 could be a future bike. I wasn’t aware of this dongle and I prefer low rev than high rev bike so that was my reservation for this bike. Nice to know this dongle could correct that. Seems simple and not too crazy expensive. How many modes and what are the difference with those mode?
Looking forward for the end of lockdown to see how it behaves. Your wallet must be looking for it too 😅
Do you plan a video on the reckluse soon?
Thanks for the video 👍
Hey OzyFran, Glad I could help with the dongle. There are no "modes" with the dongle, you just plug and play, and the dongle automatically adapts to temp, exhaust pipe etc. to just give the optimum air/fuel mix.
Yes, I'm looking forward to lockdown lifting so I can ride and repair rather than shop and spend.
Yes, I will probably do a video on the Rekluse, I can't wait to try it. I was STRONGLY talked into the Rekluse by a bunch of Tassie 690 riders. I think it's going to be great on the tight/technical stuff.
@@brentbat thanks Bret, I was confused at the end of the video when you change the 701 traction settings, I thought it was a dongle setup. Looking forward your next videos.
@@ozyfran72 just to clarify. The 701 comes with 2 modes (on road and off-road). They change the MAP the ecu uses and also impact brakes and traction control.
But the dongle itself has no modes.
Hi Brent, I have 2021 model 690. Considering this dongle if it improves low end torque but wondering if impacts fuel economy much. After 5 months are you still using it and happy with it? Cheers
Hey Gloss. So here's what happened, I put the dongle in my MY21 701 and the low end power was great, but the fuel economy took a real hit (about 28%) and some of the others with MY21 models reported it running too rich. So I took the dongle off and spoke to Rex. He said that they changed something in the MY21 models which made it too rich, so he has now come out with a new dongle specifically for the MY21 models. I have the new dongle, but I haven't yet tried it. I'm about to head out to the Flinders Ranges for a 9-day ride, so I will wait until after I get back from that trip to experiment with the new MY21 dongle. But I hope that it has addressed the issue, because what it does to the low end is amazing. But I can't afford a 28% hit on fuel economy.
@@brentbat Thanks very much for your reply. Agree that a 28% hit to your fuel economy is too much. But great that Rex has addressed this and developed a new dongle for the 2021 models. I really hope you do another video on the new dongle - that would be awesome to compare. Hopefully only a minor hit to fuel econ. I wonder if your 2021 701 is any different to my 2021 690? I don't find the throttle jerky like some vids on the 701(e.g. Johannes)? Have a great trip to Flinders Ranges. I look forward to seeing some of your drone footage. Cheers
@@glossblack1098 Hey Gloss, It is my understanding that the motor and Mapping is identical on 690 and 701. There are a few minor changes to frame/geometry, but I think they ride the same. My buddy Nick has a 690 and it feels pretty similar to me. Yeah I'm going to shoot tons in the Flinders... I think it's going to be some of the best riding I've ever done.
Hallo! Have you a fuel dongle that work on my 701-2022 Eu. Best regards Jarle from Norway😊
I'm looking for feedback (good videos btw mate). I bought a low km 2021 690 with all the work already done. With rade garage tank + luggage (coyote bag not the bathroom sink), I am chewing 7.5L/100km pretty consistently. Even off-highway, with mixed riding, its essentially 7.5L. I've come from a DRZ so don't think I'm riding it that hard (however the power def puts a grin on). I am chasing more range. Today I unplugged my fuel torque dongle. Ran it idle for 20 mins. Then rode it in the arvo on street for an hour. I prefer it now, it doesn't pull so hard straight from the bottom, the marginal extra low rev jerkyness I find minimal and, really that's why there is a clutch? I see nothing but rave reviews about this product so I must be in the wrong? It even felt smoother on the highway in 5th gear but I that doesn't make sense if the dongle doesn't impact anything over 4000revs. Anyone ever removed theirs and gone back to test? I am interested to see what it does to my range. I'm just throwing it out there, but Brent having that rekluse somewhat impact the use of this product? open to thoughts.
Yes, I've taken off my dongle due to the fuel it was chewing, and it was running too rich. I'm thinking of sending my ECU off to the guy in QLD who flashes them. Apparently optimal power without the excess consumption.
I have the Coober piggyback module in place can this be used in conjunction or would it be redundant?
I have no idea... sorry.
Power commander - programmable on dyno.......... is unbeatable.
This thing is UNABLE to measure the "AFR" like Rex saying, because this controller sits inline with the O2 sensor. There is no such a kind of information there. It is very simple circuit: two wires go to the O2 sensor heater and two other ones provide the voltage from the sensor which level is changing depending on the amount of O2 in the exhaust gases. What this "magic" box does is intercepting and measuring the voltage from the O2 sensor then kicks in and corrects the voltage when it reaches certain threshold.
The original Closed loop AF ratio is 14.7:1 - which is very lean
The original Open loop AF ratio is 13.4:1
The variation is 1.3
When this controller installed the values become as follows:
Closed loop AF ratio is 13.6:1 - it gets richer which adds stability and runs cooler
Open loop AF ratio is 13.4:1 - it stays same.
The variation is 0.2
So this little box is a bit more intelligent thing than the resistor-based dumb dongles. It doesn't take to remove the O2 sensor, so your ECU and engine will work a bit healthier. ...Check ebay.
this is basically what the DynoJet AutoTune does. Glad to see more activity in this space. Really wish we had the ability to program the ECU instead of using piggy back systems. All of which are illegal for sale in California FYI
Totally agree with you. I'd read about the Autotune, but wasn't sure how it worked, I'm not sure where it is fed it's input from. Does it also get a feed from the O2 sensor?
Doesn't Power commander do the same ? and it's programmable on dyno ......
@@brentbatif you use autotune you have to install a new wideband sensor the orginal narrowband o2 sensor is no buene.
Narrowbands are excellent when it comes to finding 14.7:1, but they aren't nearly as accurate when air/fuel reaches either side of this ratio. Wideband sensors are built for pinpoint accuracy. They send voltage to the ECU on a scale of 1 to 5 so that it knows exactly what is required to maintain target air/fuel ratios
@@ktmturbo5836 Yes, I agree with you.... I pulled the dongle out... It was running too rich. I'm going to end up getting my ECU re-programmed.
Is it still making a difference? Maybe try unplugging it and see if there’s still a difference of if the changes have been filed out. Would be interesting to know if fuel economy changed?
Thanks for the video. 👍
No, I've pulled it out now. I think if I really wanted to fix the lean low end, I'd get the ECU flashed properly.
Interesting that you removed it. I guess it wasn’t making any difference anymore.
I recently purchased a new MY23. It’s totally stock. But seems really pretty smooth on the low end. Very similar to any other big single I’ve had.
I have my GS1250 up for sale at the moment. Downsizing due to family commitments not allowing for the time for big trips.
Very impressed with the 701. The motor is an absolute jewel! Great having the ABS and TC safety nets. I had been thinking about a tower but probably won’t bother. I would like cruse control because I’m so used to using it. I would like some increased security too. Might look at an alarm.
Safe riding 🫡
Do you have a powercommander as well?
No, I don't. I'm pretty happy with the power through the rest of the range, but it was the low end that I wasn't happy with
Any noticeable effect on fuel consumption?
Yes, it hit my fuel consumption hard (about 30% reduction) so I have since pulled it out. But I think this big an impact is only on certain models, not all bikes.
I have the 701 supermoto 2018 any one got a link for this part 🙏 please
Yeah, but does it work on a Euro-5 and/or Euro 4 model?
Actually since I have posted this I've taken the dongle out. I would recommend getting ECU flashed to adjust it properly.
Do you have a link to the shop?
Hey Oyvind
Rex is a bit "Old school" but he provides great service. Best way to reach him is via email at fueltorque@gmail.com. Or you can find him by searching for a group on facebook called Fuel Torque and message him through there.
Good luck, you'll enjoy the 02 controller.
You should be on commission for this 🙂
Ha! Thanks but no thanks.... 3 reasons I would rather NOT be on commission.
1) I can be more independent and say what I think
2) If I like a product, I want to support the manufacturer and I'm happy for them to keep the margin.
3) I don't need the commission, I have a real job and prefer to give genuine thoughts (rather than paid for opinion).
@@brentbat I understand. Just stirring. The quality and effort of your media is to be commended.
Hi Brent, what is your long term assessment of this dongle. I read in one of your posts that you like the power delivery but not sure if your fuel economy got worse. Could you please provide an update. Thanks
Hey there, My long term assessment is that the dongle just doesn't run right for my bike MY21 701. It gives plenty of power, but it is running too rich. Lots of carbon build up in the exhaust pipe etc. Also the hit to fuel economy is pretty significant. I've found a guy who can dynotune the bike and knows how to access the ECU for a "proper tune". I'm going to do that in the next couple of weeks.
@@brentbat Hi Brent, I'm from Sydney and have just purchased a 22 Gas Gas es 700 euro 5 and can feel it is a little lean off the bottom. I'm looking to add a wings exhaust and Rade air box which will probably make it worse. I found a guy on Ebay who makes these dongles and there is a VB version for the euro 4 and a VC for the euro 5 models. He also sells a fuel controller so you can adjust the amount of fuel. You may want to get in contact with him first before spending the money on the tune.
Here are his comments-
The Euro 5 ECU's are pretty good in the open loop, they run around 13.6:1 with the air box & VC controller, I do sell an adjustable fuel mod that can correct the open loop AFR but you hardly need to add much more fuel in the open loop to get it down to 13.2:1, most of the guys are just running the VC controller.
On the Euro 4 ECU you would need both mods.
Gasgas VC controller
www.ebay.com.au/itm/134486137495
Adjustable fuel mod
www.ebay.com.au/itm/134462148410
Can supply a VC controller &a adjustable fuel mod.
www.ebay.com.au/itm/144526452522
@@EricBanner571 Thanks for this... I'll check it out, but I think I'm just going to pay to have the bike tuned properly for the engine... then I KNOW it's running optimally.
@@brentbat Please share your experience once re-tuned. Thanks
@@brentbat Hi Brent, I have ordered one of these dongles through Kev and he has explained that it will use more fuel to bring the A/F ratio down to 13.2 in the closed loop between 0 - 40% throttle opening. He was saying that with the dongle I can expect between 2-5 km less per litre. Worse case is around 65km less per tank. Is this the sort of fuel economy that you were experiencing? I suspect, even if you go with a custom tune, your current fuel economy will drop anyway. Thank
Hey what's the cost for 1 of these? And how do I order 1?
You can find details on Rex's facebook page facebook.com/www.fueltorque.com.au
or via email at fueltorque@gmail.com
In ktm 690 enduro r 2022 EU,absolutely nothing is noticeable!😪
Where would u look to purchase one?
Joe
One year on, I'd probably not recommend them. The extra fuel consumption was pretty significant. I've pulled mine out of the bike, and I'm probably going to send the ECU away to get flashed and properly set. I found the fuel dongle made the bike run too rich. It seems a bit model specific. Some people (and year models) swear by them, and others have the same problem I do (BIG hit on fuel economy and running rich).
Ok thank u.
There's anybody can post me the link to buy this dongle?! Thanks in advance
The email address is in the CZcams description.
I use the powercommander5 autotune and pod300+ garrett turbo on my ktm 690. Not the best fuel economy yet😂
14.7 :1 , wow !
this guy / my friend = Kev?
Hmm, will this work with the 2021+ EURO5 bikes?
Hey there. I have a 2021 Euro5 bike. The dongle worked fine on my bike (amazing power down low) except the fuel economy hit was too much (about 25%). I liaised with Rex and he said that this sounded way excessive. He discovered that they had changed something with the MY21 Euro 5 bike... and he has since modified his dongle specifically for this. Now I just got the new dongle but I haven't fitted it yet. I just got back from a 9 day solo ride in the Flinders Ranges and didn't want to fit the dongle just before I did this big adventure. However, I took very detailed measurements of my fuel economy on this trip, and when I get home I will be fitting the ned dongle on my bike and will monitor the impact on fuel economy closely.
@@brentbat Hi Brent ! That would be amzing if you could do a video about that and keep us updated! I live in Sydney too. Just got myself a 2022 690 enduro and I was really dispapointed when I realised that there is no way to remap the ecu and the fuel dongle from rottweiler performance doesn't work on euro 5 bikes 😬.
@@brentbatl also have a Euro5 in Australia, waiting for Power Commander or Rapid Bike to bring out an appropriate Ecu. How's the new version fuel dongle performing.. Is it worth getting?
@@prezo1975 Hey Prezo, I didn't fit the new dongle for my ride in the Flinders, but I diligently recorded all my fuel economy details. I get back to Sydney in about 2 weeks, and then I am going to fit the new dongle and start riding with it, so I'll have some good data to compare economy... and I'll get a sense for how the low end power feels.
@@brentbat Thanks!
How do I get one? I’ve reached out to fuel torque multiple times but no reply.. :(
What make/model bike do you have? I might be selling mine, because I'm going to get my bike dynotuned with a customised ECU setup. So I will sell mine.
@@brentbat 2022 701 SM I am in Canada though.. so shipping?
@@brentbat 2022 701 SM I am in Canada though.. so shipping?
@@brodyratboy7596 Hey Brody, This should be perfect for your bike. I'd have to get an estimate of shipping when I get back to Aus (I'm in Texas at the moment), but I'll be back in just over a week. I'm guessing it will be $10-$15... something like that. If you are interested, email me at brentbat@gmail.com and we'll move the discussion to email.
@@brentbat ok sent you an email.
Available for BMW?
I’m not sure which Bikes Tex has dongles/ecu maps for. But you can email him at fueltorque@gmail.com
N/A, I checked.
Steak night for a year
I have sent them a message the 10/11/2022 still no answer and the message has been read on the messenger chat 🤷♂
Sorry mate... i guess that is Rex..... he is a bit of a one-man-band and you never know what is going on. I know a mate who rides a 701 who bought a fuel dongle from a Spanish company and he loves it. If you reach out to Dan, he could point you in the right direction. czcams.com/video/0J8aNDtlMHQ/video.html
I have a 701 2018 .has anyone got a like for this part 🙏 please
Looks like a scam ;)
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Have been trying to get in touch with Rex. Emailed and messaged via messenger. No joy. Does anyone have a phone number?