Power Tool Vs Hand Tool - Power Planer and Scrub Plane Which Tools are Better in a Woodworking Shop
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- Does a Power Tool have any place in a Hand tool shop? In this video, I put the Triton TPL 180 up alongside a traditional scrub plane to see which will work better and if there is any place fro a power tool in a hand tool shop. this Power planer is a beast at 7" wide it is bigger than most joiners but can be handheld and run like a traditional hand plane with the work secured to the bench. So let's look at how to use a hand plane vs a Triton power plane.
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Love the fact that you put this kind of info out there. I have always wanted to be a hand tool woodworker but my body is taking offense to some of the repetition. Professionals like you letting me know that it’s ok to be a hybrid is encouraging. Thanks
If I did not have a hand tool only shop I would be solidly hybrid! in many ways. but if you teach hand tools. people expect to see those for some reason.
Thanks for the honest opinion and the video! I agree that using a scrub plane on multiple boards is a beast to tackle by my lonesome. I contemplated using a power hand planer to augment my hand tool use but was also toying with the idea of getting a stand alone planer. I can see using this as a viable alternative to a jointer. This, plus my bevel up jointer, I can make quick work of face jointing. Great video and thanks!
+Brian M. My thought exactly. It fills that gap it tool work nicely.
That is why power tools became standard in professional woodshops, they save time and effort. But man, I hate the noise. Good video, James.
That is very true. one of the reasons I will never have a professional workshop.
+deezynar
They can be time saving but it all depends on what you are doing. I have a Festool planer that is quieter than many other brands but it is still very loud when doing passes and requires good ear protection which can be fiddly at times when you are working. Nothing worse than leaving them down and forgetting where they are.
Power tools have nice returns to buy you wine than the noise.
Awesome to see the comparison between the two hand tools in action. If a carpenter had that beast a hundred years ago he would have been in 7th heaven. Great stuff James a smart addition to your shop👍
Right on Doc. got to keep the work fun!
I completely agree, and I extend the same concept to any tool. Sometimes it is the "time", others the fatigue, others the health. It is a balance issue. Excellent video friend!
Thanks Daniel. you said it well. keep the shop fun!
Daniel
I am the same. I have several different workshops and each of them are different with different set up. I have my wood working routine down to a perfect choice for me. It is all about balance and what I am doing in a given time.
Avoid fatigue and have good health you know what I mean Godfather.
Very, very helpful! Trying to flatten very large slabs is wearing me out, and I greatly appreciate your demo of this option! Looks like a great solution!
Cool approach, I really thought you would go with a big power planer situated in your garage (similar to Shannon Rogers) but I see your reasoning for the big handheld unit. Also you make a great point about keeping things fun.
thanks Evan. everything about the shop should be fun!
Serendipitous indeed, James! Was wondering the same thing myself.Thanks for giving a great answer.
thanks Johann. it is a fun beast indeed.
Makes absolute sense James.......an element of hybrid woodworking is not evil!
right on. my thoughts exactly.
Very cool comparison and that Triton power planer looks like a beast also like that Triton uses such a long reference base is such a game changer.
Very true. Triton really makes solid stuff. Everything I have played with is seriously solid and quality built.
Fantastic video. Woodworking for me, and it's apparent for you also, is about the joy it brings. If hand tools bring you joy, then that is the correct way to do it. If hand tools cause you pain and discouragement, I agree that you need to find another way. I really enjoy your content, and appreciate your perspective on the art.
thanks! I agree completely!
Great video, I enjoy hearing your perspective on both tools.
Thanks! It was an interesting one work through!
Excellent information James! 👍👌 Thanks for sharing!
+Heath Knuckles my pleasure man.
Really cool James, definitely worth it for when you need to flatten in volume.
My thought exactly! Thanks Fred!
Great comparison. I find all the points you make are valid and I agree. Personally, I use both hand and power tools and enjoy both. Your best point you make is to enjoy your shop time.
right on. what is a workshop if it is not fun? they call that a JOB.
I love the whole idea of power vs hand ... I see an ongoing theme here !
LOL we will see.
Thanks Have been planning on buying a 3 hp planer. Will check out Triton.
I love the beast!
Thanks for sharing this, i was at first saying, he just open a big can of you know what,,but the way you explain it makes total sense to me. Have a great day...and what is left of the weekend...
thanks Robert. I will do.
I’d love to see you make more furniture James. If it speeds up the process for you I wouldn’t worry about it being electric. Most of us watch you cause we like to do most stuff by hand but being religious about it could impede your creative ways. It’s not just about what you’re making, but how you’re making it. The big planer seems like it’s a power tool and a hand tool, which is nice. Good luck with it. I hope to see you make more furniture and more complicated projects.
I completely agree! There is a time and place for both hand and power.
Like the one fellow below mentioned - Triton should really make a table/unit that you could attach this two upside-down as a jointer or even thickness planner. That would be amazingly useful.
thanks. That would be a cool addition to the tool list. every tool of theirs that I have played with has really impressed me.
Making an oak double bed and using full on electric shop planers and jointers(still very amateur,) in large shed in the barn and it's still tiring work(and noisy.) Was taking my hat off to you(again,) today James when thinking of the dresser build and all that you choose to do with only hand tools; sincerely, can't say enough...Bravo...cheers...rr
+Richard Rider thanks Richard. Looking forward to seeing that bed!
I've used a handheld power planer to shape logs into furniture components for people who want that look and I can tell you that it is 10x or 100x faster for that than a hand plane. One thing about using it the way you are thinking of is that it still requires similar skills to using hand tools. On my helical head jointer-planer combo no skills are required, doesn't even matter which way you feed the wood. Still love my scrub plane (an old converted No. 4) and my good No. 4 smoother though!
+Michael Anderson right on. I do miss my helical head from time to time.
Cool comparison James. Good stuff!
+Dan The Maker Man thanks Dan.
I agree with your rationale. I mostly use hand tools, but I went ahead and invested in a 14 inch bandsaw and a lunchbox thickness planer. I tried a small power planer first, but have found the lunch box planer to be allot faster, easier. for the instances where I have a piece that's too wide, I go back to the hand method. I think you should go ahead and get the lunch box and try it out, you can always put it away when you aren't using it. if what I'm saying isn't ringing true no worries, we all have our different ways. love your channel by the way.
forgot to mention, my reason for the bandsaw and planer was to cut back on the two most labor intensive operations I performed regularly, ripping long thick pieces and getting large faces flat on lots of boards. the rest I can do by hand, but I was killing myself on that stuff. sorry for all the edits not used to commenting.
my thoughts exactly. I have had a few lunch box planners over the years and have just never been happy with them and I would not want to use one again without SOLID dust collection. but that is me. a good bandsaw does have its place but I love my frame saw too much! LOL
It comes down to skill.
I converted my jointer to a table top one for basic boards. Its pretty good
Nice demo James, that is a beast. Thumbs up.
thanks man! it is indeed!
This is super helpful!
Great comparison and completely agree with why you're using it.
Also, you call that a twist?! I saw a board at home depot that looked like a mobius strip! :D
LOL this did not come from the big box store. Thanks man!
Great space/performance ratio out of that little machine, and second nature I'm sure for someone who's already experienced with hand tools. Fantastic find.
+Brandon Beaumia right on. Fits the shop well.
@@WoodByWright James, how has this tool been treating you? I'm trying to decide between this and a thickness planer right now and I'm wondering if you've had any issues with it, or if you've found yourself preferring the scrub plane for any reason. Thanks for any input!
@@brandonbeaumia for small pieces (one or two boards) I just grab a scrub plane it is just too much work to set up the vacuum and everything else. but If I have to do more it is my go-to tool.
Thanks so much! I ended up grabbing one with a black Friday eBay coupon for $215. Can't wait to put it to work and save my arms. =)
I absolutely see your point. 😃 Awesome to hear that you'll do more furniture 😃 the power tools are absolutely accepted 😂😂
LOL thanks man! I am looking forward to doing more furniture. hopefully starting next week.
I like your philosophy. We have enough work in life; woodworking should be fun while building something that will last for years. Thanks!
well said Gil! if a shop is not fun then what is the reason!
I use the jointer and planer to get to use my hand tools sooner!!!
That’s a massive planer! Yeah I don’t have many power tools for woodworking. Thinking about getting a table saw only for speed and convenience. I came from the metal working world and that’s all power tools and loud and hot and painful haha. So I definitely appreciate the peaceful quiet of hand tool woodworking. It all works out too because with my metalworking equipment, I would never have the room in my shop for many dedicated areas for woodworking equipment. Something so peaceful about hand tool woodworking. I’ve only been into it seriously for a few months but at this point I know I kinda got bit by the bug and there’s no going back.
Man I know that feeling. My last job was manager of a metalworking shop. I grew up all power tools.
Wood By Wright it’s funny how in comparison to metalworking, hand tool wood working doesn’t even feel like work. It’s a totally peaceful and joyful thing in life that I look forward to every day. Metal working, to me, just feels like work. It doesn’t feel as.. natural and human. I’m sure some die hard metal guys will disagree, but I’ve been a welder/fabricator for 23 years. All processes, all materials, all applications. From shop work with advanced materials to cross country transmission gas pipeline.. and I think wood is better lol. Much better.
Nice concept...having fun with woodworking..thanks
Thanks.
I was just about to get the same tool. I was given a lots of very hard old oak beams and thought this would speed it up.
that it would. it's a beast and will do the work very quickly!
i am a hybrid woodworker i enjoy dimensioning some things by hand if they are small but anything large i definitely go to power tools , helps that i have a cabinet shop available to me because my father is a homebuilder and we do custom kitchens..... but no matter what for all of my traditional joints i always use hand tools!
right on. having a cabinet shop nearby would be useful.
Nice video. Great points. Enjoyment vs production. Machines have their place, but when something doesn't have to get done in a hurry and I want to have some fun, I put away all those tailed devils and get out the hand tools.
LOL I like that. right on!
6 years on, I'm curious: do you still use this power tool? Are there other power tools you use in your shop? Thanks for all the great content you've put out there over the years!
This and the drill are all I use in the shop. For rough sawn lumber it is amazing!
"What is this rope for?"
Dumbest, stupidest, silliest, most hilarious thing I've heard all day. So funny.
LOL thanks! glad I could help!
Your Triton is good for the work money, combines tasks of a thicknessor, jointer and scrub plane, I have the makita 1805N beam planer king of my shop.
Hi there from Portugal,
Fun is fun :D
Obrigado(Thanks)
Thanks man!
Enjoyed the vid. But due to w wreck I am very limited on using hand tools. Busted right shoulder and crushed fingers. So I use power tools.
Sounds like a good plan to a bad situation.
that's cool that you're open to using a power planer. I see your point and justification of it. one board that would probably use the hand plane to but 20 or 30 boards yeah time to bust out the 7-inch power hand planer which I am a power tool guy and I got rid of my 3 & a half-inch power hand planer just didn't like it but a 7-inch power planer that's bigger than my jointer LOL looks like it's fairly decent might have to look into that .
my thought exactly. and for the size, you can not beat the price! especially when you compare it to a lunch box planer or jointer.
Wood By Wright very true! Im gonna have to look into it's for sure never knew they made em that big.
On smaller boards I use a festool planer and then finish with a number 3 hand plane if I am doing cabinet making or furniture standard.
If I am producing joinery standard work I will just use a 3.5 inch power planer as a finish. But if I am doing large boards I will always use a scrub planer and finish planer again depends on standard of finish.
I do not think there is much of a difference and it is all down to personal preference. 10 years ago I would never have used a power planer of any type and was working completely manual. Once I got to use a festool planer I was blown away by it including its dust extraction.
It is all about horses for courses. There is no one planer ring to rule them all.
Welcome back to the light. soon you will building something to use that triton as a jointer. then the wheels in your head will start turning and thoughts of a bigger thicknesser, table saw etc will spring to mind. :)
LOL time can only tell.
Do you think you'll get faster as you use the power planer more or do you think it can only be so efficient before peaking
defenently. this tool is not about the setup but the skill. you can still easily mess up the work if you do not treat it well. and I am sure I will get a good bit faster as time goes on.
Every time I've tried using a power hand planer, I screw something up. I just use orbital/belt sanders now. I may still try to use my power hand plane but it scares me. So easy to gouge material, just a little too aggressive for me.
Interesting, Thanks James.
My pleasure. Thanks Barry!
I do have a few power tools, but for the most part I prefer using hand tools, like you say to save time on long laborious jobs, but I mainly work by hand because there is a LOT less dust and noise. I hate having to use earplugs and a mask!!
Very true. PPE is a pain!
Great info.An yes it's about fun..An accomplishment. thx
right on John!
Electric hand planer is only good for creating noise and dust. Mine is still in the box, started up once and put back in box, it's a nice Makita 18v. Cheers from Tasmania
I use a small power plane for the bulk removal and then move to hand planes to finish off. And if you don't fit the vacuum there's chips up the wall, stuck in the spider's webs, in the toolchest, need I continue?
LOL got to love a power plane mess!
When I was younger I became wealthy enough to buy a planer thicknesser and later a small table saw. My work got more accurate and easier and faster but I put on at least half a stone. Now I’m old I am going in the opposite direction. Hand tools are healthier and don’t affect your hearing, and usually leave your anatomy intact 😀 Most of all though, they are more fun than work.
Jim Bo so so true. And less dust!
Most good hand planers are safe to use with just a little bit of common sense so there should be no flipping the planer upside down and feed the wood in with your teeth.
One thing people do not seem to consider with thickness planers is kick back. Exceptionally rare but could happen. The first time I ever bent down and looked into a thickness planer I got the face eat off me by an old man with one eye.
Great Video.
thanks David!
Good video James. I actually just bought an electric hand plane for this exact reason. It’s only a 4 3/8 wide blade but it’s nice to have for the larger stuff. I don’t own a scrub plane but would still like to own one for smaller boards. What size is your scrub plane? Is it a 5 1/2? Oh, one more question, can you use the electric hand plane at an angle like you would a scrub plane?
My scrub plane in this video is a modified number five. Yes, you can use an electric plane at an angle. However it doesn't have the benefits of going with the grain like it would with a hand powered.
as soon as you ask that first question I hit like. Too funny lol
LOL thanks James. I could not resist with that one.
That was a great initial comparison of the two techniques. Both rely on your skill to read the board and then know how to flatten it. Your comparison is a bit biased, because you are familiar with the scrub plane and are not as familiar with the Triton yet. I would like to see what you think after you use it more.
I will defiantly talk about it more when I use it more. I am sure I could cut its time in half with more experience.
On your spare time, can you make a video or two on scrap wood projects? Would love to see what you come up with.
most all of my tools are made from scrap wood. only large furniture is made with new lumber in this shop.
Im more geared towards little projects and "gifts" with scrap wood
How does the surface finish compare? Does the power planner leave a rough surface?
+Tom Kelleher it is smoother then the scrub plane that was why I got the scrub plane side with the 4.5 after. But it is not a finished surface. That is what the smoothing plane is for.
Awesome video man, I was just looking at the Triton and I also use hand tools 96.8472628% of the time so this helped me a lot, thank you!
Excellent! :)
thanks mom!
Triton...I could use one of those. Did you get it near Saturn or was it Jupiter. Looks like a really nice power planer. Will be nice to see more projects and videos from you.
LOL nice. it is a beast and a fun one at that.
Hi James I'm from Brazil. I'd like to know if in your opinion both planers have the same capacity with respect to precision?
Sorry I am not sure what you are asking. Feel free to send me an email I would be glad to answer with more detail.
Sorry sir, but I really have fun using power tools. (Insert Tim "The Toolman" Taylor grunts here 😂🤣😂). Was hoping to see more of a comparison to the smaller models tho. But its a very good video sir! 😊😊😊
Lol yup I am still more comfortable with power towels.
I'm new to your channel so forgive me if I just Didn't see it, but do you have a book? I want to get into woodworking, love your channel and don't want to get too into power tools if I don't have to.
+Taylor Bowman thanks but no I do not right. Just not my thing.
you've probably heard me say this before. I am an adamant hand tool user. however I'd quit woodworking without my lunchbox planer. Handheld tools, powered or otherwise are not a substitute. it's not about how quickly material is removed, it's about how evenly material is removed. I just joint one face enough so it won't rock on a flat surface and the planer does the rest. with a jack plane and jointer, and a lunchbox planer, I can go from twisted rough sawn to final dimensions S2S in about 6 minutes on most boards. And the boards are all dead flat, exactly the same thickness, and defect free.
Right on.
i knew it wasn't going to be long before you got into the power tools its an addiction man I'm telling you once you go corded its all to be afforded or something like that lol.
LOL only time can tell.
A real scrub like a 40 or 40-1/2 Stanley rather than a slightly modified #5 or #6 might save a minute or two?
I did another video later comparing an actual scrub plane to a modified plane and the speeds are actually pretty close. With the scrub plane it will cut a little bit deeper however it is a much narrower cut. The modified fore plane doesn't cut quite as deep but it cuts wider. In the end it ends up being about the same amount of time.
Triton needs to make a table you can flip that thing over onto and make it a quasi jointer.
I've flattened a panel I glued up after it cupped bad during glue up, I don't have a scrub plane...was horrendously labor intensive.
+Matthew Mohon that would be a sweet idea. I thought of putting it in one or the vices and doing that, but maybe next time.
+Matthew Mohon
A jointer will never produce the top level quality that is required on some finishes. If it is a rough flat surface then a jointer would do but you may need several passes to get it right depending on the level of bowing that is taking place. You may need to cut the wood down to try and maximize bow cut.
There are just so many circumstance. I do not like the idea of flipping hand planers to make a surface planer.
It supposed to come with a little fence so you can use it like a jointer weather that’s an add on it in the box I don’t know I’ll find out on Monday
Could you attach this upside down to a table and make yourself a little jointer?
Sure. I know several that have done just that.
I learned something new today. Hand planers are more fun.
very much so!
I still cant understand how you manage to do 3 video's a week , how do you find the time for everything else? i only get an hour or 2 a day in the shop and would love to be in there more !
well, I only get about 8 hours of actual shop time a week the rest is editing and all the other things that go along with videos.
Wow , i think that impresses me more , you get so much done in that time. I defiantly need to improve my efficiency! Thanks for all your videos they've helped and inspired me massively.
Could this replace a jointer?
Yes. That's what a lot of people actually use it for. And if you really want to you could flip it upside down and mount it to a surface and use it exactly the same.
How much does the power planer cost?
Question: As opposed to a lunch box planer with knife tracks, how does the surface compare overall? Comment: In our house we distinguish between carpentry and woodworking. If I'm making something for pure utility like shelves that are a necessity...it's power tools. If I'm doing a project for fun, design, and learning...it's a hand tool effort. Must do and love to do get different tools.
the knife tracks are as good as the sharpness of the blades. but in either case, it is not the last tool to touch the wood. that is why I compared it to a scrub plane and a quick cleaning from a 4.5.
The link you put to amazon is the blades only, no tool.
Like the video BTW.
Thanks for letting me know. Apparently they just changed it so I'll go adjust the link.
Power tools aren't all just about speed they are also to decrease the labour to the user. Good for repetitive jobs. A pain for small jobs sometimes. Sometimes it can take longer buying the stuff than the job takes. They are useful
very true!
Wood By Wright, how about a follow-up video?
Are you still using the beast?
🤔😎
Yes. It's one of only a couple power tools in the shop. Still a great workhorse.
@@WoodByWright 🤔 think I'll put a beast on my wish list with some earplugs😎
It's not easy to find objective reviews of electric hand planers. I've been considering one because I have lung disease that makes real hand tools, especially planers, nearly impossible to use. Yeah, I know, people with lung disease shouldn't be woodworkers anyway, but I just can't help myself after a 35 year career installing flooring before I found out I had COPD. So, thanks for your rational thought. I really enjoy my new hobby and want to get into more challenging projects. My next one is a new workbench, so I knew I couldn't do that without a good electric hand planer.
Thank you Jim. That means a lot sounds like you have fun time ahead of you.
I just like your intro :-)
Lol thanks.
I think you should get the Makita KP312...😏
LOL I am dumb but I am not crazy!
This planer no longer seems to be available on Amazon. :(
Thanks for the update. I'll have to check the link. I'm pretty sure they're still selling it but I'll check.
What is a lunchbox planer?
A sickness planer is that doesn't have a base and is something you can easily pick up and move around.
I like the rope joke!!! 😜😜😜😜believe or not I am teaching myself how to sharpen some old chisels that were my Dads well that my plan anyway!!! 😆😆😆😆😆😆 lol!,,
Sweet! I love bring family tools back to life!
"So, what is this rope for?" I'm pretty sure it's used to pull start the planer.
OH sweet I will give it a try! LOL
well, yeah! :)
YUP!
That power planer is a beast....welcome to the dark side James! ;-)
LOL thanks man. yes, it is, and a blast to play with.
I use a Festool hand planer to get the twists out of boards and then finish with a number 3 plane. It is just as quick as use a manual hand plane.
Now on larger boards I will use a scrub plane. A thickness planer while handy is not that much quicker and you will need to finish with a hand plane anyway.
Very true.
The workout man, with the power tool you will loose those 700 cal that the hand plane takes. haha!
LOL yup!
That is a beast of a tool. My el cheapo powerplaner wont match up.
The noise :( :( :(
I totally get why you do this. But i was hoping lathe first.... #GoLathe
+Willem Kossen man I want to build a lathe. It is coming but a lot of other things first.
Wait, that's not fair, is it ? Flatening the convex side of a board is a lot longer than the flatening the concave side. The powerplaner is faster then. Boards with 2 convex or concave faces seem to get scarcer theses days
Both sides of the board require the same amount of wood to be removed. Whether it's the convex or the concave side. If I did it with different boards then that would be a much greater problem because different boards absolutely different hardnesses.
@@WoodByWright Well, it seems obvious to me that there's much more wood to remove on the side where an entire diagonal is high than on the side where only only two corners are high by aproximately the same amount. I agree, the power planer is far more efficient, also but far more tiring. I only use one when i litterally need to hog off material
Plz mention that ear protection is also crucial, not just goggles 😅
interesting - yes - quite interesting
+Shogun-Jimi lol thanks man.
Awesome my brother can you get something bigger then a Triton TPL 180 ha ha ha :)
LOL not without a stand that it lives on!
HA HA HA HA IT'S AWESOME BROTHER I LIKE IT :)
awesome video. i'd like to see a comparison against a smaller electric planer , makita / bosch etc and a larger hand plane like a #7 or 8. still think an electric planer would win in terms of speed, but would be a more far comparison. use my #7 a lot but also considering a hand planer in range i can afford (which is not much ha)
well a 7 or an 8 do diforent things then the power planner. the power planer removes material where as the larger planes flatten. the one I was using here was a scrub that takes off up to 1/8" per pass. But I have wanted to see it compaired to a smaller one. maybe some day.
Electric tool - it's cool!
LOL thanks man!
would a smaller version be more user freindly especially on smaller boards, also much cheaper
it would be but much smaller and the scrub plane is faster. and just as much work in my mind, but each to their own.
I see what your saying, I am sure you will perfect the process as you would any tool, you are right in wanting to speed up milling, pure hand tool use is great but on a large scale just a lot of work, the board doesn't care if is flattened by power or hand, it's the finish pass with a smoother that counts
very true. no one will see the marks that this leaves.
You just blew my handtool mind a little. Now I need to go and see how much the Triton costs. If I had to pick one thing that I dread about woodworking, it's prepping a large number of boards.
it is cheaper than a new quality hand plane. and even cheaper then a Woodriver #7
Not that I have plans to buy one, but it's cheaper than a WoodRiver #7
Verry true. and most all lunch box planers and jointers.
If there wasa disclaimer, I missed it.
If there wasn't a disclaimer, there really ought to be.
LOL what would that be?
Don't forget to use hearing protection. Once you have ruined your hearing it stays ruined. Cheers.
You forget the time and money you save on gym fees with the manual plane.
Lol I wish!