When are you fluent in a language? [Polyglot opinion]
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 6. 10. 2019
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"i'm confortable speaking in /language/ and it doesn't cause me stress" well i'm not fluent in my native language then
That is true. After all no one is fluent in any language.
@@dennyska2211 How do you figure that? Why would you be uncomfortable and stressed? You're fluent when it comes naturally, automatically, and as second nature. You don't have to think about it in general. If someone is stressed or uncomfortable in their native language. It's not because they lack speaking ability at a very high level. It's some other outside interference. Some other factors at play.
@@brendon2462 I think that what Denysska meant to say, considering what was being said in the video at that time and what the original commenter said, is that no one can be ~ truly fluent ~ in any language because that would require one to know everything about that language and that's impossible
@@wearelegallyrequiredtoeatd3580 I don't believe you need to know everything. Because you don't need to have the vocabulary of a dictionary. To convey feelings and thoughts. Most of it isn't necessary to know. As far as speaking fluency is concerned.
@@brendon2462 I believe that too, my comment was just what I thought Dennyska's comment meant
To me being fluent is being able to perform pretty much the same tasks as in your native language, i.e. read the books you want, watch the TV shows you want, and being able to express your identity in a conversation.
@Kalevipoeg Don't you mean native level. Your first language is native level. Which is a very high level of fluency. Basic fluency is just that being able to communicate easily. It's still a few levels below native ability. But the first stage of fluency reached is a basic level. If you can't watch or read the same shows in your target language. As you do in your native. The issue is likely vocabulary you need more words to understand input. After all language is words. We spend years and years acquiring vocabulary in our native language. Passive and the vocab we use ourselves. A lot of people don't do enough direct learning vocabulary in context. Ask do I know as all the words in my target language as I do in my native. I know I don't yet I bet once one does they can watch and understand equally as good.
@@AJ-fo2pl Then what do you label the early stages of communication and basic understanding? If not basic fluency then what? There are different levels of fluency. Native level is just a convenient label. That tells you that's their language and they're good at it. But not all natives are equal. There's varying degrees of skill. When it comes to native speakers. Doctors for example have a specialized vocabulary. That an average joe like me doesn't understand. So they're higher in ability with vocabulary.
Maybe better question(s) would be :
What languages are you learning?
What languages have you studied?
What languages do you have an affinity towards?
That's right! I think from an outsider's view (monolinguals), it's easier to ask "what do you speak" as they don't always think about all the factors to take into account when learning and judging fluency.
@@LindieBotes Yes that's true! By the way, can you do a video on how to practice languages with no native speakers? Because this is my case!
@@mohamadmerhi9277 i also want to know
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I hope she will do this video
Interesting. To me, fluent means close to native.
Exactly.
Same.
Mine has always been the same as Lindie's. Being able to have a conversation about general topics without major pauses or stops in it. Also any bumps in the conversation that do arise can be ironed out in the language too. Of course the label of fluent *continues* all the way to near native, but I always thought of it as starting there.
It seems to me like a more defined line of proficiency to go from awkward novice attempts, to a flowing conversation. Defining a line of "fluency" to the vague area of "near native" isn't as clearly defined for me. That's why the "generally fluid speech and comprehension" just makes more sense in my head.
Same. I only consider myself fluent in English (I'm Swedish) but I can speak some German, Italian, Spanish and Norwegian.
"Close to native" is just as vague an idea as fluent. There's a huge range of proficiency in native language speakers. Lindie's definition at least attempts to outline an idea of what fluent actually means in practice and could just as well fit as a definition for "close to native."
I've met someone who passed the N2 in 1.5 years then the N1 in 3. But he was also a programmer and besides studying hours on end, just had a logical brain for language. I am dyslexic and have studied on and off, so getting to the same level has taken me over 10 years. It really depends on your effort but also what type of leaner you are and I don't think there's any shame in taking your time to learn a language!
Also really looking forward to the polyglot conference! ^^
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what is n1 i know a1 a2 b1 b2 or american system 1 to 5
@@tomilan6001 n1 is japanese level. It is like european c2
N1 in 3 years is very impressive. Even if he was totally test focused and lacking in other areas it's still very impressive.
Don't worry about the test, it doesn't proof anything, I have friends that have N2 and don't know a kanji, or even talk. Many people copy or buy it so can jump steps faster than the ones working harder. So don't stress if you don't have a test level, learn at your pace. Whenever you can communicate and pass interviews for jobs it's enough
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I believe a language being similar doesn't make it easier, my first language is Portuguese and even though I could always understand Spanish even before I've studied it, it was the most difficult language to learn because I never feel fluent enough I feel like I'm mixing the two languages all the time. English and French were way easier to learn (I know French is also a romance language, but it's not that similar to Portuguese)
Iâm Spanish and I feel soooo related, I can almos understand Portuguese when reading and listening but if I try to study itâs very hard because some words I just say them in Spanish because it just canes out like that.
I speak English and Spanish and I really struggle with portuguese so I tried French and still the same problemđ€Šââïž
@@Javynejo31 French was ok to learn, Spanish was too similar to Portuguese. Have you tried learning languages that are very different from English and Spanish?
@@BemPoliglota No I haven't, I've always tried to learn languages from the same family or that at least share a similar alphabet but it hasn't been easy for me. I have tried French, portuguese and Italian still having a hard time. I'm not giving up though, but maybe that's a good idea.
@@Javynejo31 I think Italian is beautiful and I'd love to learn it but I think it would be way too difficult and it would be confusing because it's too similar to other languages I speak, I can understand some Italian even though I've never studied it. That's why now I'm trying to learn languages from different families like German and Mandarin.
amazing video once again. youâre a great inspiration for me - iâm currently 15 years old and i can understand roughly 4 languages. your videos push me to learn more and iâm really grateful for finding your channel.
I looked up the criteria for C2 level, and I'm not confident I've reached C2 in my first language...
yeah me too TT but I'm still a student and I'm pretty sure C2 is equivalent to a well-educated (so presumably college grad+) native speaker so I've accepted it lol
I think C1 level is fluent enough
You are fantastic Lindie! =) Great info as usual. Have fun in Fukuoka!
So happy to see you here, Luca! Looking forward to meeting you soon!
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My definition of fluent is being able to hold a conversation with a native speaker of the language on a variety of topics.
I've missed you so much.đłđł Such an inspiration. God bless you!
Iâve been living in Japan for four years now and Iâm just now studying for the n3. My progress in Japanese has been so slow and I still struggle with speaking. Iâd love to eventually learn Korean and Chinese but I want my Japanese to be at least n2 level before I attempt that and who knows how long thatâll take. Btw my husband is from Fukuoka! It is such a great city! I hope you enjoy your time there!
I'd love to learn Korean, Japanese and Chinese too!
Hey thanks for sharing, it's so relatable and encouraging đ it's so cool you have a japanese husband as well as that you are living in japan!! ăăăăŸăăđ
i want to learn Japanese too.
Thank you for this video! It can never be repeated enough: the time it takes to learn a language cannot be measured in years. Everyone has a different pace, life circumstances differ, and the biggest factor is how much time and energy you can devote to it.
I admit that I've been "learning" Spanish intermittently since I was 8 years old (so, 15 years now!) but I'm still not fluent! This inspired me to change that.
Ahhh so soothing to hear your logical, well laid out explanations again. Welcome back! đ
Iâll be there! I look forward to hearing your speech!
This video was such a relief! And glad to see you after a long time!
Yay! You're back! Sounds like you have a lot of cool things on the horizon!
Thanks for the video, Lindie! You are always so insightful!
Looking forward to your talk!
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You're the one that has been inspired me and I'm always following your videos....keep it up
Iâm still learning a lot of things in my native language, learning itâs a forever process, a lot of people think itâs something bad âI need to know everything right nowâ, I particularly love discovering new things about the languages I learn. From a Portuguese, Japanese and English speaker, my advice: chill out!
i think i need to comment this here, i saw your photo on your IG and that inspired me to learn lots of languages. those flags on your shirt really inspire me!
Very well explained ! I'm a Thai language learner myself and also live in Thailand for many years now. I also get asked how long it took me to be fluent in Thai.
You are always learning and your view point hit the nail on the head , thanks
How long did it take you to learn the alphabet? It looks so confusing
@@chimmyeatingkookies8419 do 10 letters per day by practising writing them down and repeat , repeat and repeat ! Then when you can read a bit all the letters come around again and again some more than others and it does eventually sink in ! Good luck mate
Vee Siam ayeee I do thai and Iâm part thai :)
Chimmy eating kookies well it varies from person to person, so thereâs no official answer đ€·ââïž
Thank you SO much for your beautiful motivating videos â„
The Idea of watching you talking about Languages and learning them makes my day â„
Keep going please â„
i always feel so motivated watching your videos
miss you lindie! so glad you are back here!
Fantastic video Lindie and a great way of answering a constant question. Squash time together I've been in Thailand in for 3 years (between 2013 and now) and only this year can finally read it without mistakes constantly. It does take time and has factors that effect how and why we learn
Nog nooit van "potgooi" gehoor nieđ. Amazing! Also, this video gave me some peace of mind. I've been struggling so much with speaking Spanish and I've been pressuring myself tremendously for "fluency". Thank you! Also, welcome backđ
So happy to see you there again !
I hope you will love your two weeks in Fukuoka ! I will be in TĂŽkyĂŽ and I am so sad to cannot be there âčïž
Great video! Good luck with your speech đđŹ
As soon I saw the notification, I clicked! I speak a few languages, but not fluently, ahaha. Iâm mostly focused on Japanese though. But anyways, I find it hard to get motivation... A lot. I used to study everyday, but it has died down. ^^; And I actually want to be a Interpreter/ Translator in the future. But I keep getting discouraged by a few people around me, and even myself.
But Lindie, your videos are so great to watch and really get me pumped! Thank you so much. I hope things are going well for you. đ
I absolutely agree with you.
Thank you so much for inspiring me to learn new language..
Purpose of learning indeed takes us to the goal level. Some languages I just have been learning for fun and I didnât put any vision tho.
Thank you for pointing out that many polyglots boost their numbers by choosing to study languages closely related to ones they already know. Not that it isn't still an impressive achievement, but it is way easier than choosing completely unrelated languages. And I do feel it kind of makes the polyglot community feel a little eurocentric at times.
Absolutely right about it being Eurocentric but I also think that's because we're accessing the community through English. In Asia there are big polyglot communities too but the Lingua Franca of them would be KR/JP/CN for instance. They're smaller though than the western Polyglot community on CZcams.
@@LindieBotes Yes, that is fair too.
One of the things that impresses me about Luca Lampariello is that his Chinese and Japanese are quite good (as far as I know), not "just" his French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Swedish, German etc.
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"It depends on your background, similar languages that you've learned, time you put into it, and also the amount of immersion and exposure you have in the language."
Beautifully put, Lindie. The whole video was so relatable. My native language is Korean but there are some times I have to look up a dictionary, and I don't know much idioms or academically understand every topics.
This does not mean my korean is bad, right? So, i think that fluency is not to be seen equal to "perfection". It's important to keep this in mind.
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Interesting work you have. Gracias.
Thank you so much for uploading this video. I am a native Spanish speaker and my second language is English. I've been learning the language for almost 7 years and I feel that, now, I am comfortable enough to speak "fluently". At first, I was a very shy person who was afraid of making mistakes at the time of speaking. I think that's why I always though that I wasn't good enough and I was waisting time(?). I believe that these thoughs were the fence that stopped me to talk to other people. For this reason, I had several mental breakdowns. However, I kind of overcame this stage when I went abroad and I got emerged into an English speaking country. Now, I am studying Korean by my own and, with the previous knowledge that I have about learning a second language, I understand that I can make as many mistakes as everybody does when they're learning a new language. It is just part of the process.
I hope I can speak it, at least, in three or four years. I wasn't sure about the time that it is actually gonna take in order to achieve this goal, but making a sort of "deadline" can help. Pushing myself can help because, as you said, having a specific objective is crucial if someone wants to speak whatever language it is. Mine is to study my masters in Korea. Let's see how it goes! Hahaha.
I admire you 3000. Your videos are always inspiring. Thank you!
You're so right! Languages take different times depending on how difficult they are and any intelligible languages that you already know. For example, after learning French and Spanish, Italian was a lot easier for me to learn, and I am now also learning a bit of Portuguese.
However I am still struggling with Korean and the verbs, but mostly because I haven't properly started learning them effectively (e.g. reading the words as if they were vocabulary, then covering them and trying to remember them, and repeating this process until I got it right; this has worked for French and Spanish vocabulary).
This has made me frustrated with Korean itself, even though I love the Korean culture. However I hope this will change as I'm joining a Korean society at uni in the hope that I can learn Korean via cultural immersion and interactions with native speakers
In studying Japanese at university, I feel like I am learning a lot quicker than Korean. This is largely due to having excellent teachers, varied learning methods (Duolingo and Memrise on repeat and books without CD's have largely contributed to my boredom in learning Korean), and elements of cultural immersion.
Thanks for the video! Fluency is such a vague term; although I have my own standards of when I've reached it (I don't think that I'll be fluent in a language until I've at least lived there for a bit)
Sorry for the essay btw.
Oh my gosh! Polyglot conference? I found my new goal! :D
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When it comes to writing, I think I'm fluent in English (my second language). However, every time I open my mouth to actually speak... "Yes...er...there...er...no." Can anyone relate?
maybe you just get too nervous while speaking
you should try to imagine your self in diffrente situations and talk with your self in the mirror for exempel
hope that i helped you and have a nice day
@@ademnouaouer9854 Yeah I definitely do get too nervous. It's difficult to speak even when I'm alone though... Thanks anyway. Recently I've been been forcing myself to practice and I believe it will get easier with time. Have a nice day too
Monika Z Itâs very common, you probably believe that your English skills arenât good enough to maintain a conversation. Iâm Brazilian (my first language is Portuguese) and sometimes I mispronounce some words or I even donât know what the word means... just because Iâm native doesnât necessarily makes me 100% fluent in Portuguese, the same thing with English, we will never be 100% fluent. So feel free to make mistakes, youâll learn from them, hope I helped you. xx
@@rienzib I think you're right, I really am afraid of making mistakes. It's definitely something I need to work on. Thank you!
@@ademnouaouer9854 That's a matter of practicing your pronuntiation and watching tv shows/music/videos and emulating the rythm and cadence of their conversations. The more you submerge yourself in the language, the better you get at it. I studied english for 8 years in school but when I started uni I couldn't hold a conversation. After 3 years of consuming everything in english I've gotten better. Am I perfect? No. But I can actually talk to an english speaker without crying of frustration.
oh my gosh thank you. i have been living and studying only japanese at school for 1 year and 3 months. i passed N3 already, but i give myself such a hard time because im not comfortable in the language yet and i always stress myself out thinking something is wrong with me, im not doing enough, etc, even though i really feel like im trying so hard. this is the first time ive finally heard someone say "roughly 4 years." people always just mention passing the higher levels of JLPT in like less than 2 years and i just dont understand how they do that, and i don't even know if they can also speak easily to that level either (maybe not since there is no speaking on JLPT), but i felt like maybe as an english speaker its just hard, but i have no one to talk to who understands my struggle. i constantly feel like a failure. i don't even know if you'll read this, but thank you. i think this can take a huge weight off of me.
I literally screamed when I saw that lindie posted
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Welcome back! Good luck at the conference. How is your Spanish coming along?
In a previous video, you showed us a handful of your favorite Korean books that you own. One of them was a best-seller, I guess, that was about learning how to do away with your bad habits. I went ahead and bought that book in order to keep myself motivated, and I"ll consider myself fluent when I can effortlessly read that book without having to stop to look up words; or google the grammar online.
Hi Lindie, thank you for this video. I'm trying to learn Korean by myself, and it is taking me much longer than I expected. I was starting feeling like an idiot. Perhaps I should give myself more time and study in a less stressful way. đ
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Cool to see you uploading :). I got introduced to your videos by seeing you learn Hungarian. Curious: are you still learning Hungarian?
Awesome recommendation YT!!4:25 short answer. I think that after a certain time you are able to just speed up and have flow in a bunch of topics. Nevertheless, it can be a longer or shorter period of time according to the quality time which you have approached the language.
I am learning languages from completely different languages families
Turkish and Coptic are the main ones I focus on, but I also study Farsi, Tamazight, and Ancient Greek when I have the time.
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This is wonderful, Lindie! I am involved with seven languages, and they are all in different places along the continuum of language proficiency and knowledge. Monolinguals--THOSE MONOLINGUALS!!!--tend ot get impatient as I explain my levels of capability in my languages. One of the things I've found to be consistent across many years now is the fact that monolinguals tend not to understand what is involved in language-learning, and tend to view linguistic ability and skill in very binary and simplistic terms--as in, "yes/no." You've explained all of this brilliantly--thank you!!!
Aww dam I had already booked a trip to fukuoka next month, missed it by a few weeks. Would have been cool to go.
To actually sound somewhat good and not unnatural will take a long time.
Go to the channel of Matt vs Japan and you will see.
This isnât a hate comment and I donât mean to offend anyone just looking for more views but English is my only language because I donât get the luxury of learning two languages at school. I tried to learn Chinese & Japanese (extremely hard languages to master) and just couldnât do it. I became burnt out after 8 months because I felt I wasnât getting anywhere with both them. I feel envious of foreigners because a lot of them can speak two languages by the time they graduate and itâs a great skill to have because itâs apart of their learning system and not many people that arenât from a English speaking country can say they speak two languages thatâs why Iâm impressed at how many languages you can speak. But native English speaking countries who donât have that luxury have to learn it more as a hobby than a curriculum and it takes years to master especially if you donât live in the country or have any classes locally etc. It makes me feel inferior to a lot of people who speak two languages because Iâm already older than a lot of them and they can already speak two languages. But I donât discredit the hardwork they done at school but they would of found it much harder if they never learned it outside school from scratch. They basically know everything I know except in a second language and other rich education systems in English speaking countries teach language like Chinese at school where and average school like mines doesnât. What are your thoughts sorry it was quite long. It makes me feel wealth can create a easier path to goals and upbringing.
I've been learning Chinese for about 8 months (I'm almost at a HSK 4 level) and did it all through self-study so did I, learned English. I'm far from perfect but all you need is patience and discipline, when I didn't understand a new grammar structure I just stopped to study and told myself "I will learn it tomorrow" and it worked. I'm sure you can do it too :)
Victoria O thank you, good advice.đ
Don't give up. There's so much you can learn online in those languages even if you don't have good options at school. I knew barely anything in those languages after eight months. It sounds like they're the first languages you've really worked on and it takes a while before you figure how to learn a language. There will be lots of mistakes along the way as you try different things and see what works for you.
Nendo Akuma thank you, Iâm really happy you say thatđ
for the first 6 years I was learning english(in school) I was an absolute begginer in english, until I discovered youtube in english and now just 3 years later I'm C1,
Hello. Nice channel, i just found it today! :) well, just my opinion...you are right about knowing about a certain topic in another language doesnt make you fluent, for example, im a native spanish speaker and you can talk to me about astrology in spanish and i dont understand anything lol because i dont know the topic, on the other hand, i went to Japan and visited a Karate dojo for training and i was able to take the lessons for one month and learn things without knowing any japanese but since i knew about the topic (karate) i was able to understand the lessons :) again, nice channel, im signing :)
Hi and Thanks for your videos. I am starting Chinese and learning Characters and want them big, but I am totally stuck how to organize my note book but very neatly.
I was looking for your first character book but didnÂŽt see it.
Whatever you think of Benny Lewis's methods I like his definition of fluency which is along the lines of you're fluent if you can talk about the same things in your target language as you can your native language
I don't mind Benny but even THAT definition is pretty loose. I can talk about music as if I'm an expert in English... because I am expert basically, I have Honours in music. I can't do that in Swedish because I have never studied or even played music in a Swedish speaking context. In fact I'd probably have a lot more luck doing that in Italian, and I really don't speak Italian... but this is because music vocab is often Italian (in classical music).
Yet I would call myself fluent in Swedish, and some things I might even find on par in terms of comfort in talking about them, Swedish things such as St. Lucia'a day... I can totally explain them in English but I have never had to, whereas I've done it like 50 times in Swedish.
To me it doesn't make sense to have "native level" and "fluent" as interchangeable terms with the same meaning. Why even have the term fluent then, it's made useless lol. It makes more sense to me to have the term fluent denote someone who is beyond the beginner awkwardness, but not quite into advanced/deep level language use. Otherwise like I said, it's rendered useless and you end up with no term for someone at that conversationally proficient level which I think is a really important stage. You could call it intermediate but to me fluent describes that level of language proficiency perfectly because that's literally when someone becomes "fluid" in their speech and understanding.
I needed two years to become fluent in Spanish. At the moment I learn Norwegian and I think this will take me longer. I personally think it depents on your mother tongue, on which languages you learnt during your childhood/in school, how much time you can invest every day etc. It's very personal.
Love your honesty! Other AHEM AHEM polyglots tried and failed at getting fluent in Japanese in 3 months. Because hey, just repeating "aahhh... hai!" is NOT Japanese fluency. And yeah, speaking like 15 languages counting 5 different Spanish dialects is like LOL.
Haha is that about Benny Lewis?
I would also like to add: Uploading a CZcams video called "I learned _____ in 7 days" is also not fluency, and nor is it honest, even if you spend the entire video backing out of that claim.
@@daysandwords is that about ikenna lmao
@@user-we4zz2zb3i Actually more about Nathaniel Drew. But then I Kenna copied him. Nathaniel was like: "I learned Italian in 7 days... ...(after learning it for 18 months but nah still 7 days cos I'm going to claim I've forgotten it)."
When will your Polyglot Conference talk will be uploaded onto their CZcams channel? Looking forward to watching it.
WoW, another speaker of Afrikaans. I spoke to a guy last saturday, and I thought at first, that he is from the netherlands because im living in MĂŒnster, a german city near the border the the netherlands, but he was actually from south africa, studying in Groningen and he told me about some of the differences. Very interesting conversation. ^^
About the Polyglot Conference, I heard about this too late. Iâm not a polyglot but love languages. Also I live in Tokyo. This channel has been an inspiration. Iâve been toying with learning Japanese for almost 18 years. Iâm still terrible. In spite of all the time lived in japan , 5 years, and all the time lived with Japanese people back in the states , 10 years, Iâm still terrible. :/. I guess Iâve never gotten into the groove of study. I still make stupid mistakes like swapping è±èȘăwith æ ç».. so lame. I still live and work in japan so I guess Iâm learning little by little. Thanks for making these videos.
notification squad đ also lindie what sources did you use to learn korean?
You can check out the textbooks I used in this video here: czcams.com/video/qfWk1mKOdUM/video.html
Or check out my Korean resource list on my website: www.lindiebotes.com/korean-resources/
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I agree with you. But it's really bad try and try to learn a language for a long time.
I'm feel frustated sometimes, I'm still learn english but it is difficult and I really don't understand the organization of senteces, because it's complete different of my language (Portuguese).
But you inspire me to put more effort it. I will learn, I hope!
I'm learning Korean now and I think so easy and beautiful, it's not confusing, to me it's more easy than enghish, now Korean is my favorite language.
I luv U, you are cutie! đ
Dat klopt Lindie! Whereas German people would say Ganz genau! I've been learning German for a month by now and I'm determined to keep up the good work. It's not that easy for an Italian-speaking native but I hope I'll reap the benefits soon. Good luck to everyone who is learning a foreign language, it's worth every second! đđ
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Ek het rerig nie geweet 'Podcast' is Potgooi in Afrikaans nie! Mens leer iets nuuts elke dag! Dankie Lindie.
Iâm native in three languages and because of that I always mix words and grammar up, but I learn languages very easily
Let me guess: Spanish, English and German
Sabrina English, Swedish and Kurdish :)
Personally, I HATE how most people use the word âfluent.â Exactly what type of language level should be / is considered to be âfluentâ is SUCH an overly subjective notion, and language levels/abilities that most people would agree to be considered âfluentâ exist on a HUGE / extremely broad range.
We need to invent another or several other new words to describe certain language level abilities with more precision/accuracy (if only once we did it would actually catch on... lol)
I think a language that some is âvery fluentâ in, must a language where said person can think, read, write, speak (some degree of an accent is okay though) & above all understand spoken language with essentially the same abilities as one can do with their mother language. So in my opinion, fully understanding the language used in certain diverse academic areas (those words that most common people would know), politics, history, formal language, etc is an absolute MUST
My parents moved to the UK about 10 years ago and they're definitely not fluent. They can get by but cannot really keep a conversation going it's unbelievable dude.
Estoy aprendiendo el español, francés, italiano, alemån, japonés y coreano. Mi lingua materna es inglés.
Pienso que es tan importante tener una inspiraciĂłn de aprender idiomas. QuerĂa enseñarme el coreano por tres años, pero nunca podĂa. ÂżPorque? No tenĂa una inspiraciĂłn, no tenĂa una razĂłn de aprender este idioma. Ahora, tengo una amiga que viene de Corea del Sur. Y ella aprendiĂł inglĂ©s, pues, porque no puedo yo aprender coreano? Con el ayudo de ella, por este año, voy a aprender coreano con ella.
I am still working on Hangul and stuff, but thatâs the easy stuff. I have started to listen to Korean music as well, because it seems very popular in American culture. Iâm not into K-Pop but I am going to exploit this opportunity!
Prendo la classe dâItaliano nella scuola. Non mi piace il mio professore, ma amo la lingua. Vorrei viaggiare a Roma un giorno, e voglio insegnar ai miei figli I italiano se li ho. Ho preso la classe
dâItaliano per quasi tre anni. Posso comunicare con i nativi. Una settimana scorsa ho parlato con un nativo dâitaliano (in vida real).
I am not confident in French, Japanese, German or Korean yet. But, maybe, check back in with me in s few months speaking one of those languages and we will see how it goes! Feel free to correct me!
steve vh - Garcias! Y âquerrĂaâ es el tiempo condicional, no el futuro. El futuro es âquerrĂ©â.
IntentĂ© de decir âquerĂaâ que es el tiempo imperfecto.
when you think about it japanese's 2 alphabets that have the same sounds isn't that weird. its like english capital and lowercase alphabet, isn't it ? of course those alphabets both have different uses but still
I can't wait to be fluent in Spanish!!!
This is my goal to aim this year 2020 and of course to my native language! And considering the English one!
I also wanted to learn German and French for good! I'll go to different parts of Europe somedayđ
I've always thought that I can say that I speak a language is if I'll be able to survive alone in an island where only that language is spoken
I support you , I have been stuyging English for almost 2 years. My english isnÂŽt perfect yet, but I get to communicate with native speakers from around world. I get to understand English teachers talking about languages, I mean talk how to learn a language etc.. or advices for languages. In the begginer this year, I couldÂŽt undertand those things. I have knew more or less about noun to be. Now I can undertand about tips for learning, like 80 %. I started yesterday for studying by tv show, first: I watch wihout subtitles, I undertand like 25% .Secondly at same epsode with subtitles. Third I take notes on Anki. I have been spending 2 hours for stuyding by tv show. IÂŽm watch only one epsode per day.
That's a good thing to do (immersion and anki) but try not to output too early or you might build some bad habits.
I wish I started learning languages earlier. đ
I like your earrings! Thank you for your videos.
I used to think that it was just a matter of exposure to the language..but now iâm starting to think that itâs likely to be something else..still searching for..I always find your videos really interesting and useful..thank you Lindie..almost forgot..what is your main strategy for learning languages?i mean..if you should give just one advice what would it be?greetings from Italy
I'm currently learning a second language. I made the goal that I would be at an intermediate level of fluency by the end of this year. A problem I have is that I don't know to measure it. LOL.
Fluent for me is âcan you comprehend media made for the general population (not specifically children or foreigners) without stopping, rewinding, asking to repeat, etc?â Can you speak at a roughly normal speed without excessive pauses? I would say that your average ten year old is fluent in his or her native language. Obviously writing ability and speaking ability might be lagging but most ten year olds can at least follow general topics. My six year old, however, has a very limited vocabulary and general knowledge so she is not fluent, even though she is native and is rarely frustrated about communication. She can get most things from context and she isnât asked to exceed her limits of communication except for rare occasions.
I am bilingual - English and Cantonese. I grew up learning these languages and use them everyday.
In school, I learned Parisian French but only spoke it during class. I still remember some French after 10 years of French classes.
However, I have been learning Brazilian Portuguese for just over one year now. The grammar and ideas between French and Portuguese are similar. At the very least, I can introduce myself in Portuguese. Because I actually want to learn Portuguese, I know more Portuguese in just one year compared to 10 years of learning French.
Hello, first of all thank you very much for the informative video. At the moment I am able to speak German and English fluently. I've made some progress in French. I also intend to start with Spanish. Since I see many comments here, I would be happy if someone can give me tips on how to improve my language knowledge and get fluent in French. Any suggestions and comments are highly apprecaited.
Funnily enough a good friend from Brazil and me (from Venezuela) speak German with each other. We have tried each of us speaking our own native languages and we only get as far as a few sentences đ
The question I'm interested in is, how many active hours are necessary for fluency?
Not yet fluent in German, but it took me around 200 hours to get to a level where I understand most in movies and books. Spread out on one hour per day, it's around half a year.
I think the same works with most things you learn. Basic coding knowledge: 50 hours, playing the violin well enough to play with others: 100 hours, driving licence 80 hours.
I've lived in America all my life, and I often can't understand politics in English! I should have no trouble understanding math in Italian though. It's not any of my native languages, but French and Spanish are, and the only trouble I have with MathGurl (Portuguese) is her accent.
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Awesome! Thank you!
100% true. i used to have a big affinity with french as a big part of my family is francophone, but after 6 years of french at school i completely lost it. the way a language is taught at school is just so boring and not motivating at all. after a 3 year break i've been getting into french again, and it's been just 6 months but i feel like i've learned more than in those 6 years haha and it was just by movies, series, memes, music, popculture etc
Love the videos, Lindie. I learn languages by watching Christian sermons of English speakers speaking in other countries and then listening to the translator (Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese and Arabic). But every time I find a Chinese sermon, the translators talk sooo fast! Do you know of any good English/Chinese sermons where the translator speaks at a normal speed?đČ
Do you have any info on how to get over an intermediate plateau?
I'm a bit late, but I heard Hungarian in the video I knew I had to comment :D
It said to be that the top 3 easiest languages to learn for hungarians are Turkish, Afrikaans and Japanese. ^-^
I had a teacher who taught us German and He said Japanese and Hungarian grammar are 99% the same,
we only have to learn words and the signs. (The teacher also spoke 6 languages)
Currently I'm learning Korean and will move on to Japanese once I'm halfway/advanced in Korean.
Well, not even my English is fluent... :/ but i'm trying hard.
Sooo much love from Hungary and thanks for all the motivation, you really helped me to begin with the learning. â€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž
Nagyooon neem.. mĂĄr hogy egyezne meg 99%-ban?
VaskĂł DĂĄniel nem tâom :D
Ne rĂĄm legyĂ©l mĂ©rges đ„ș
Lehet el tĂșlozta magĂĄt, de tĂ©ny Ă©s valĂł, hogy könnyebb egy magyarnak megtanulni japĂĄnul, mint egy angolnak vagy akĂĄrmilyen mĂĄs eurĂłpainak a nyelvtan, ragozĂĄs, ige idĆ Ă©s a többi miatt mert nagyon hasonlĂłak.
Remelem nem vagy råm mérges :D
Ăs te tanulsz valamilyen nyelvet? đ
@@nemethmark9025 Nem vagyok mérges... annyira :D
Csak elkapott a hĂ©v mert egyĂĄltalĂĄn nem igaz. KiejtĂ©s valĂłban könnyebb de csak ennyi. Ott a nagy dilemma a kanjikkal, ami miatt sose fogom rĂĄvenni magam :D Nekem csak kis prĂłbĂĄlkozĂĄsom volt a kĂnaival illetve a japĂĄnnal. Meg pĂĄrszor megtanultam a Cirill Ă©s az arab betƱket de ennyi. Ătközben elveszett a motivĂĄciĂł. Ăjabban volt egy gondolatom az Ă©szaki nyelvekkel. Ott volt a norvĂ©g illetve a svĂ©d, a rĂ©szeg dĂĄnt nem elfelejtve :D
Ne haragudj a hirtelen felindulĂĄsombĂłl Ă©s hadd gratulĂĄljak a koreai tudĂĄsodhoz! :))
VaskĂł DĂĄniel Egy kis anime utĂĄn könyebb a JapĂĄn :D HabĂĄr ĂrĂĄsban nem annyira, de kiejtĂ©sben igen. Ăn mĂĄr Ă©vek Ăłta nĂ©zek animĂ©t Ăgy nĂ©ha belĂ©m szorul egy kĂ©t szĂł Ă©s van amikor Ășgy Ă©rzem, hogy muszĂĄj japĂĄnul beszĂ©lnem ilyenkor pĂĄr szĂłt ki nyögök :D
AmĂșgy nekem is volt olyan idĆm amikor SvĂ©dĂŒl tanultam, FranciĂĄul, Spanyolul Ă©s most az Arab ABC-t tanultam meg 1 hĂłnapja, nem tudom hogy kell Ćket ki ejteni mert annyira nem Ă©rdekelt csak hogyan kell le Ărni azt tudom :D
Viszont legalåbb 6-7 fontosabb/hasznosabb nyelvet én is szeretnék megtanulni ^-^
Pl Angol Spanyol JapĂĄn Koreai Arab ez az 5 amit mindenkĂ©ppen Ă©s talĂĄn Francia NĂ©met OroszrĂłl is szĂł lehet maaaaajd egyszer a kĂ©sĆ jövĆben :P
De most az azsiai nyelvekre szeretnek koncentrĂĄlni meg persze az angol, Ășgy tervezem hogy KoreĂĄban Ă©lek majd tehĂĄt âmuszĂĄjâ megtanulni đđđ°đ·
I think you could consider yourself fluent when you are capable of having a conversation with someone about something that interests both of you. Even though that won't suffice for every situation I would still consider it to be more or less fluent. :)