Israeli Ex-Intelligence Chief: "We see only our narrative." | Conflict Zone
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- Ami Ayalon, former Shin Bet head says that in the wake of October 7 attacks, "everything collapsed" in Israel's understanding of itself and the world and that "it is in our hands to change the perspective" for the future.
He appeals to the leaders of the US, UK and the international community: “This is your role to help us if you really care about us. Yes, tell us our mistakes, but tell Palestinians their mistakes and help us to see each other.”
The former intelligence chief added, "we are not at war with the Palestinians," and again renewed support for a two-state solution.
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Big shout out to DW News willing to leave the comment section open. Also many thanks for the diverse interview partners shedding light on this terrible conflict from different sides..!
For real, conflict zone in particular has phenomenal quality of both guests and approach to the interview.
Ami speaks like a human being. Human life can not be measured. Thank you Sir
Humanity of a settler.
So let's say you bomb 1,000 babies to hit 1 terrorist hiding beneath the babies. You are saying that we cannot judge the morality or reasoning of this, because "Human life cannot be measured"? If so, this could justify the most heinous of crimes, of course, including Holocaust.
@@Valkyri3ZHe was born into this conflict, as everyone of us has inherited some mess of its ancestors.
Who or what controls the past controls the future
Who or what controls the present, controls the past.
There is only present, the future past will be the result of the quality of human relationships but in Chairos (not primarily Chronos)
@@benikramer5115 With control comes responsibility. He was born into it but he had the choice later in life. Many Palestinians had no choice but to face oppression. I can guarantee he had a far more comfortable childhood than most displaced Palestinians. When one is supported by top white powerful nations of the world who made their past and present by exploiting exterminating and colonizing people around the world , its easier to give lectures.
Wise man! It would be better if he was the PM
Nah.
The wisest men counsel the hopelessly incompetent.
A PM is certainly not without influence, but the soul of a people/of two peoples is probably more relevant. How the majority thinks, depends on the quality of conversations and questions in the public communication space.
A healthy body is the result of healthy cells, and vice versa,and a healthy relationship becomes possible with 2 healthy individuals.
Aylon looks like my swedish friend, I'm guessing he's north european polish/swedish. Not a drop of J dna.
The Israeli army are dropping a chemical similar to White Phosphorus on the people of Gaza.
Children are attending hospital with deep burns and they are dying rapidly from the severity of the burns. A surgeon was on Irish Radio and he said a boy of 13 died and all they had to give him was aspirin!! The doctor was in a bad emotional condition as a result of the suffering he is witnessing.
Testimonies please. We need testimonies.
Great show Tim! Would be nice if your guest was next PM.
Clear message here ... for those who havn't yet 'picked a side' - this might point you in the 'least horrible' direction. An honest and deeply authentic man - who knows himself. Thanks Tim ... I admire your work.
Aylon looks like my swedish friend, I'm guessing he's north european polish/swedish. Not a drop of J dna.
Finally, Tim has an interview as a discussion instead of interrogation: very old school, very good interview.
Ami Ayalon, thank you for sharing your thoughts and views openly and honestly; it's good to hear a man of character speak.
Very honest and objective interview.
I hope the Iranians hear this. What a wonderful, brilliant man!
He's probably on their hit list, next to some poor woman who showed her hair.
Are there any news outlets interviewing Hamas leaders or Palestinian Authority? Are they pressing them about surrendering or releasing the hostages?
NBC interviewed Hamas and did pressure them to release hostages. They played the interview for about 5 days in a row.
Don't be a fool, Hamas doesn't do interviews with freedom lovers.
Interesting how news agencies aren't demanding to interview Hamas leaders and pressuring them relentlessly to surrender to end the civilian suffering. After all, if human life trumps any cause, then they should be applying the same pressure to Hamas as they do to Israel for a world-wide audience. If Hamas refuses to conduct such interviews, they should refuse to cover the war at all; as of now they are effectively serving as Hamas proxies.
Don't forget Hamas is a hezbollah proxy.
there is one interview w Hezbollah leader who said the deaths of Palestinian civilians isn't a bad thing for the Palestinian resistance because it has only strengthen it
What about West Bank settlements expansion?
I think the workmanship isn't up to code .
The first balanced perspective from someone in the middle of the crisis. He would make a good advisor for the next govt.
Praying for peace.
A great discussion.
Excellent interview
It's unfair to put all the burden to minimize civilian casualties on Israel alone. Why not question Hamas about what they are doing to place civilians on safer áreas and also why not asking arab civilians why don't they let the IDF know whereabouts of Hamas tunnel entrances, rocket storage, rocket launching sites, terrorist communication centers, booby traps, decoys, terrorist identity,.etc.
Hamas is a proxy of hezbollah. Palestinians are hostages. You can't blame hostages for having no power.
Because international law. If Israel doesn't heed it, it's civilian leadership could end up in the dock at the International Criminal Court on war crimes and atrocity charges. And this includes the officer ranks of the IDF as well.
@@9UaYXxBBecause the PA joined the ICC, all Palestinians are technically under their jurisdiction too
There probably are some Palestinian civilians who have given intelligence information to the Israelis. And they aren't going to admit to that publicly because Hamas would almost certainly carry out a horrific reprisal against them and their families.
As for those who don't give information to the Israelis, the logical answer is that many of those who might otherwise be inclined to do so might be afraid of reprisal, might not have a way to contact the Israelis (especially not without being witnessed doing so), and might not have any useful information.
It is a cruel fact that as Hamas is a government (of sorts), a ruling body, a non-state entity, and a terrorist organization all rolled into one, it doesn't answer to anyone even if it's using it's own people as cannon fodder. But as a nation-state and a democracy, Israel is held accountable and is expected to uphold international law (rightly so!). Assymetry in every sense of the word.
Tim and his guests rarely disappoint. Thank you!
Why?
Israel faces a fundamental trade off between saving Palestinian civilian lives in Gaza and preserving the lives of their own soldiers. While some of Israels choices don’t directly involve that trade off (e.g. supplying food and water to civilians), close in urban fighting clearly does.
Not a military in the world would sacrifice their own soldiers to save civilians of the other side. Only Israel does that
@@JoeyP946 israel targets civilians, sniping them, targeted drones on journalists, decomposed babies in incubators.
Israel and moral are opposites
This is giving people a pass to use human shields in the future.
When has that NEVER been the way---in the medieval times, you literally besieged the cities like the Israeli govt is doing to Gaza to force them to their knees and submission. Are you now saying that old days of sieges are back in fashion...???
Care to elaborate? I can't see how you came to this conclusion from this video....
@The_StefWhen has that NEVER been the way---in the medieval times, you literally besieged the cities like the Israeli govt is doing to Gaza to force them to their knees and submission through hunger, thirst, disease or dispair . Are you now saying that Israeli govt is bringing back the old days of sieges as legitimate conducts of war...???
How truly I hope that people will listen to voices like this guest. As he said, both sides need to see each other.
So many important points made in this interview.
It isn't an easy task. The front line is really at the tunnels, that are under hospitals, schools and other civilian locations. Israel can not get to the Hamas military without going to and moving the front line.
And the Hamas holds the hostages inside the tunnels. So it's a diabolical choice for Israel - damned if you do and damned if you don't.
What about the violence and cruelty that was bestowed upon the Palestinians when they were evicted and expelled from their own land in 1948 and ongoing ever since. If Israel was a true democracy, it would form one state, and offer the right of return to all Palestinians, who were Forcibly expelled from their homeland. However, that would give rise to end inconvenient demographic fact that Israelis would be outnumbered by Palestinians.
The Palestinians in Gaza who does not support Hamas can help the IDF by passing information of where the hostages are.
They can if they know any useful information, if they can contact the Israelis without Hamas knowing about it, and if they are willing to risk Hamas taking horrific reprisal against them and their family.
I suspect there are some brave Palestinians who have taken the risk and passed such information to Israel. But we almost certainly won't hear about them and may never hear about them simply as a matter of their own safety.
His last statement was very powerful
It's hard to find content about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and recent escalation that is this brutally honest, unbiased and with guests such as Ami Ayalon, who is, above all else, not afraid to come to uncomfortable conclusions like "we made mistakes" or "we still don't know how to handle this situation and we need help". In this interview, Ayalon paints an honest picture of an Israel that's hurt, traumatized and painfully aware of its historical shortcomings, trapped in a fight for survival that the average "free Palestine" protestor deems imaginary.
israel are not fighting for survival. israel has nuclear weapons if their survival is threatened they will threaten nuclear war . israel is fighting to continue subjcating palestinians and occupying them.
Great interview
A man with both clarity of purpose as well as compassion for all. It's not going to be easy and he doesn't have all the answers and he knows that too. Hope this can actually become a reality so both Israelis and Palestinians can live in real peace. At least, that's my hope.
What an interview.. Respect.
Wow, what a fascinating man. I agree with his perspective. Unfortunately things will get worse before they get better. But it’s time for both sides to stop the madness.
good interview
Recognising a Palestinian state need not take years if Israel is left out of the process and the international community simply recognises it.
Great Guest.....good show... Thanks. !!
Very sincere and gloriously humble statements from Ami Ayalon in minute 24´20"
the last statement is so powerful
Ex-Shin Bet Head VERY GOOD!
The title should be that this guy is "unable to appreciate human life"
I think you misunderstood him..I picked up that you can't put a price on it. For me I'd say 3 fiddy.
Exactly, the soldiers are now supposed to clean the mess that the government have made by their bad politics in the past. I'm sorry for the soldiers. Also the responsibility lies with the settlers. Did they want their own country's security? :( Regards from Poland.
Right you are
Only problem is there are no settlers in Gaza.
@@Chisel_Chestthere are horrible conditions in every life that are being controlled.
@@Chisel_ChestThe IDF was too busy defending the setlers on stolen land to protect their real borders.
@@Chisel_Chest yes, it's really tragic that the terrorists targeted the most progressive communities in Kibbutz, among them people who have helped Gazans in the past.Absolutele madness.
Excellent interview......factual and based on the prevailing ground realities ..
The music at the end is horrendous
Because NOBODY is talking about this --- I question in innocence and open curiosity; What is the difference between a Dual Citizenship on the basis of parentage as opposed to one on account of religious affiliation ....???
Its amazing how the talking head peeps don't have the foggiest clue about the history of the conflict, who the bad actors, what it takes to solve the situation, or any sense of the law, right or wrong, or truth from lies.
I think this is a good conversation....for 2013. This discussion is long past. The Israelis want blood and the Palestinians believe that israel has stolen too much.
At this point of time, the power brokers that matter should put forth a two state solution and say accept this or we are done with the both of you.
Problem is what u call power brokers have their own interest of keeping this conflict in an eternal state.
3:32 Instead of asking how to measure the value of a human life, it might be better to ask "what is the justification to deliberately eliminate a human life", either for medical reason, capital punishment after a fair trial, or something else. From my perspective, Netanyahu and the IDF are expelling and killing civilian to exercise their ethno-nationalist ideology.
Yes, mistakes of past will help now. If bloodshed continues future talks become impossible which some suggest might be the aim.
How can anyone think ahead when they in the middle of a war🤔
Intelligence people of course
so what Ami said about Hamas taking over the PA by force and ruling over the Palestinians is contrary to what most say happened which was that Hamas was elected by the citizens. Was it 25% - 30% in 2006? If this is true, civilian dearths are harder to swallow because they are effectively getting punished from both sides. This is the first I heard of this version of history of how Hamas took power.
They had an election followed by a civil war (or skirmishes). But there was fighting involved.
No they won the elections and were denounced by Israel and the US. Look for neutral sources to confirm it. Hardly from an Israeli spy.
The Palestinian National Authority was ruled over by Fatah aka the PLO. The Palestinians held elections for control of the PNA and Hamas won the majority of the seats. A civil war broke out between Hamas and Fatah. Fatah retained control of the West Bank and general control of the PNA and Hamas wrestled control of Gaza.
@@ImYourAverageJoe according to wiki it was 44% vs 41% in favor of Hamas … so I mean skirmishes or not it looks like the people have spoken. I can’t find anything on them taking power by force unless people voted for em at gunpoint. 2007 looks like Hamas just trying to overtake Fatah in Gaza since they lost anyway so it’s not like Hamas lost the vote and tried to take over anyway.
They had a priminister and a president. One Hamas one Fatah. The Fatah had international support and were much more moderate. The fight killed over 160 people and saw their military organisation collapse in early attacks. Leading to Hamas controlling gaza. Both sides blame the other of plotting a coup.
The guest was asked what is the point in collective punishment, not allowing food/water in Gaza. The response was a non response. I think its simple: collective punishment for the sake of it, not to mention a crime as reported by UN officials.
Very interesting interview. Stress on that the people aren't the enemy is central. Two States is the only way to go. There needs to be some hope offered to the Palestinians. One continous stretch of land with their administration would indeed be the creation of less tention overall
There can be no two states with all those illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank
"Living in the limelight the universal dream, for those who wish to seem, those who wish to be must put aside the alienation, get on with the fascination, the real relation the underlying theme, living in the limelight."
"All the world is a stage."
"Always remember, your focus determines your reality."
Reality is subjective, you see only what you want to see.
"A man often meets his destiny on the path taken to avoid it."
I hope to have helped whoever you are, when ever you are.
When it comes to human shields, here is the question to ask:
If the people being used as human shields were *your own people*, how would you proceed?
Use that as guidance for how you will approach the enemy using their own citizens as human shields.
Hamas has more than 200 Israeli hostages, they ARE their own people being used as human shields
Seems that simple at first glance, but when you realize same commander should dismantle thousands of traps waiting for his ground troops because enemy didn't do oct. 7 without preparing defenses for retaliation. So if you don't bomb those defenses you are sending your ground troops into a bunch of traps, then weigh the potential loses of your troops against potential civilians on the enemy side, that's where the real moral math comes into play, they have to decide fast, before the military assets are moved. Without knowing intelligence that commander has it's very easy for us to sit and judge. Sad reality is that most countries with similar military capability would do something very similar (and have done). If someone claims they can do better, they probably have never even tried.
Tim, you're the main man. Nothing compares with you.
The first honest man. Thanks for that.
Great job, as always. This is why I understand the Israeli effort.
He's definitely Shin Bet, direct, clear-eyed, cold-blooded, and possibly even-handed.
Didn't sound cold-blooded to me; quite the opposite: agonising over how conditions in the occupied territories hurt people, agonising over civilian casualties and the quandary in which the IDF finds itself. Quite the opposite of cold-blooded.
He says what you want to hear. He is a cold blooded killer for a profession as an intelligence officer, not a humanist philosopher.@@sheilamacdougal4874
@@sheilamacdougal4874 Exactly. The opposite of "cold-blooded".
Someone who says 'I don't know how to put a value on human life' is not cold-blooded.
Very interesting interview.
Shin Bet was founded by the father of the current Israeli President.
Theres blood on his hands
Exactly, Palastinians have made big mistakes, and Israelies as well. If both recognize this there might be a better future for all.
End the occupation.
Give people equal rights.
No need for bombs. Not need for wars. No need for Hamas.
Not sure its clear that people care about Palestinian civilians.
Some people dont understand what is war...there are 2 army ...and wins the best.
The answer is simple: The way they created it.
The Interviewer uses Western moral standards to blame Israel, but does not recognize that Israel is dealing with Hamas that does not care about Western moral standards, so he should refrain from portraying Israel as the evil protagonist.
I don't think it's wrong to challenge Israel, all Democracies need to be challenged in order to remain healthy. As the interviewee said though, we need to empathize, both with the Palestinians as he said, but also with the Israelis.
The Israeli army are dropping a chemical similar to White Phosphorus on the people of Gaza.
Children are attending hospital with deep burns and they are dying rapidly from the severity of the burns. A surgeon was on Irish Radio and he said a boy of 13 died and all they had to give him was aspirin!! The doctor was in a bad emotional condition as a result of the suffering he is witnessing.
they care about Western moral standards too. Anti apartheid, anti colonialism.
I agree. That was horribly clear on October 7th when we were exposed to the mind blowing carnage perpetuated by Hamas.
@@irataylor5083 7th October was a terrorist attack by a small group, however the bombing of civilians and the killing of over 4000+ children will go down in history as one of the great Genocides of the 21st Century!!
We now understand what the Palestinian people have been facing, the intense hatred of these poor people by the Israeli people and state.
It can only be called EVIL
Great guest
2:50 that is the longest most weaselly non-answer i have heard in a long time. Can´t believe he more or less got away with that...
Yes it was the weakest part of this interview.
You will make another mistake if you don't settle with your strongest opponent but with a puppet authority. for a rubber stamp. I hope my comment will pass the AI of impartial CZcams. Despite all the hardship people will always flock under the strong.
Send the un in. Guterres should step up and administer gaza. Send the university protesters to gaza to become civil servants and improve the life of gazans
I totally sympathize with what Mr. Ayalon is saying . he comes out to me as an honest man that if were many of him of both sides. peace would be way closer.
but I can't comprehend the fact of ~15k civilians are killed...this is way too much . how many fighters/terrorists were created by killing of all these innocent people?
the only way is a political solution . but sadly you has Abbas and the PA in the West bank and you built settlements in their future land .
Can a future Israeli gov force a relocating of the settlers beyond the land of the West bank or trade land with the Palestinians?
Once again Mr. Ayalon sounds like a decent human being and I wish peace and coexistence could be a reality.
If this guy be the head of Israel then peace will be in that area soon. He sounds very reasonable.
Men as reasonable if not more so tried to make the peace process work and failed. Israeli Labor Party, which founded Israel and dominated it politically for decades, banked enormous political capital into the peace process with the Palestinians. After Oslo they allowed the Palestinians to form their own government and gave them complete control of Gaza and large portions of the West Bank. Israel even tore down all the Israeli settlements in the Gaza strip. The Israeli Labor Party offered them numerous peace deals where the Palestinians could set up their own state and most of the land in the 1967 Border. In the last offer they even offered the Palestinians East Jerusalem which was a big issue of contention. The Palestinians refused all of them because they aren't interested in peace. Then the violently anti-Israeli Hamas was elected, a second Intifada was launched against Israel and a Civil War between the PLO and Hamas in the Palestinian Territories broke out. This destroyed any hope for peace among the Israeli public. The Israeli Labor party and the Left in general was politically decimated as a result of this failure and Netanyahu and his Likud party have ruled near continuously since. Focusing more on containment of the Palestinians and taking advantage of the situation to gain more land for Israeli settlers. The fundamental problem is that the Palestinians are just not interested in peace. No leadership change in Israel is going to work until there is a cultural change among the Palestinians.
@@ShamanMcLamie I don’t think what you say is all true. Israel never offered a fair peace settlement.
@@arak1973perhaps, but considering that most of Israel population considered it too generous, that was about as much as democratically elected leaders could offer.
@@sg-1991 true but I am a bit surprised. My logic says if Israel could give a bit more and settle a peace agreement then there would not be war and destruction for the past 50 years. It would have been beneficial for Israel and all countries around in the long term.
@@arak1973 What is fair exactly? I simply pointed out the Palestinians were offered a majority of the West Bank, all of Gaza and even some land concessions from the Israelis. In the 2008 proposal they were even offered most of East Jerusalem where as at Camp David they woyld only be allowed to set up their government there. The reason talks broke down was that the Palestinians wanted all of East Jerusalem, the 1967 borders and insisted on Right of Return which would decimate Israel demographically. Non of this is fair to Israel and jeopardizes their security and national integrity.
The hard truth of the matter is that Israel has conquered the Palestinians and they could just dictate any terms they want to them, just as the allies did to Germany and Japan after World War II. The fact they offered that much would be a God send for any people so defeated. The problem is the Palestinians haven't accepted the fact they are beat. They're still fighting and holding out hope for victory. To them the purpose of peace negotiations isn't to establish a long standing peace, or even a Palestinian state. The PLO wasn't founded to opposs Egypt and Jordan who ruled over Gaza and the West Bank at the time. It was founded to end one particular country. Peace negotiations are meant to move pieces in place to advance the cause of ending their neighbor.
Why aren’t reporters calling for Hamas to surrender?! Anyone that commits crimes is expected to surrender anywhere in the world so why isn’t Hamas expected/ pressed to surrender?!!!
0:46 if Iran is Hamas 🏧 and Iranians want komenei to get lost, and everyone wants Hamas to get lost, wouldn’t THAT alleviate suffering for the most people?
Iranian regime has the loyalty of people with guns that protect them. The iranians who don't want them are the ones with no guns nor training to fight the one's in power. Thus, not possible.
And counting on outsiders doesn't work either as seen in many places. This is about power and sick intern games not about people.
@@puraLusa The United States Overthrew Iran’s Last Democratic Leader
Despite a campaign of historical revisionism in Washington, the archival record makes clear that the U.S. government was the key actor in the 1953 coup that ousted Mohammad Mosaddeq-not the Iranian clergy. You are correct, this is the result of some dumb people with American education playing dumb games that will eventually affect the whole world.
Iran should be under the Shah. Nice guy and appreciated freedom. Unless you crossed him but we all have bad days.
@@puraLusa it’s my understanding it’s about paying $25 a day, not loyalty.
@@reginafefifofina they choose from a pool those whose loyalty is 25 a day, that pool consist on individuals who at least seem pious belivers of the theocratic regime. On in all, it's the same, the one's with big guns for now are protecting the regime, protest does absolutely nothing in this context.
Does this interviewer not understand how wars work? How Ham as uses human shields, both Palestinian civilians and Israeli hostages?
this human shields narrative is bogus and needs to stop. Yes, Hamas does profit from Palestinian casualties. Yes they do sometimes operate out of civilian installations. But in the end of the day, they are underground resistance movement and they operate like any other underground movement, hidden among the ordinary population. You can't expect them to build a barracks in the open field with a big flag on top.
Tale as old as time, isn't it?
"No, you shouldn't do this!"
"Ok, what should we do?"
"Uhhh"
Decent man, with good intentions.
I hope that Israel find more people like him in power.
How do we remove a terrorist state?
This guy should be prime minister
Ask Qatar to stop funding them.
Tell the prime monster to come outside
People like this brilliant man will never be in power.
Warriors hate war politicians love them.
Solution instead of complaining let's listen to great men.
BTW Don't agree 💯, but he's Uber realist.
SAVE PALISTINE !
Has God given to the son of man the freedom to pursue any narrative he so desires? Yes just like words matter. All words said from the mouth of a man will be ask a foundation. The perception that one person has towards an other person defines one's destiny. Hamas has judged it's neighbours with great hatred.(Oct.7), his destiny is sealed. What happen on October 7 are words from the mouth of Hamas. Consequences are about to happen and are happening.
It's a euphemism to say Israel's govt should "do more" about the settlers. They literally are handing out free riffles so they can terrorize Palestinians on the streets with no accountability at this moment.
Oh, that's an easy one: stop occupying their territories and allow them to have a proper nation to live a decent life in
Isreal is a small country, try to suppress and exert cruelty to deny Palestinian, that only bring war. If Isreali want a permanent security that is achievable by peace agreement.
Make religion a personal choice and household item,remove the “ cleric kind” and retain only the “laity kind”,thats the only solution.
The tone of the interview implicitly accuses Ami Ayalon of holding the policy stance of Bibi. This is an unfortunate mistake on the part of the interviewer. Ami is an outspoken former member of Israeli intelligence who validly criticizes every aspect of the PM's culpability in allowing the Hamas attack. It would surprise me if the interviewer is unaware of this but his questions repeatedly imply he thinks he is talking to Avigdor Lieberman or an ally of Netanyahu instead of the stark opposite. The interview could have been rich in substance if the interviewer had done better research or watched Ami speak with other journalists where his criticism of the Netanyahu government and policies is clear.
How do WE remove Hamas? DW joind up with the IDF or what?
Aylon looks like my swedish friend, I'm guessing he's north european polish/swedish. Not a drop of J dna.
stopped viwing halway through The interviewer only intetrested in provoking and taking quotes out of context
Doesn't Israel have total control over the entry points? All products need to be scanned and secured entering Gaza. Residents of Gaza should be paid to leave to Jordan or elsewhere. A two-state solution is impractical.
Hamas is an ideology as much as it is a military group. At this point I think Hamas is necessary to stop the colonialism and occupation of Israel in Palestine.
Do not turn a blind eye to the fact that Israeli homesteader’s are evicting Palestinian people from their homes and lands.
When is the honest conversation going to be had by the Arib Nation’s and the European countries??
I speak now as a Lakota woman who understands what the United States Military did to our people’s then put us on reservation’s. So let’s have an honest conversation about what Israel’s goal’s really want!
Native’s stand with Palestine 🇵🇸 ✊🏽
You're right. They had no choice.. respect ❤
They beheaded children, but not all of them! The others they shot and killed in their beds while their parents watched! So this ok than right?
Old, but not cynical, not at rest. Still struggling with ethics, always looking for the moral path forward. Very Israeli.
I wish this man had more influence in Israel, but in reality his viewpoint has lost. I hope I'm wrong.
The cause nd foundation of the problem is Italy nd France Paris,America,Napolitano,Napoli,Taranto,Torino,Sardegna,Rome*? *? ''??
Considering the standards to which the media holds Gazans for warfare and violence, the standards for warfare and violence to which the world holds Israel are ridiculous. The double standard is the real racism and oppression. The poor, poor Gazans are not capable of holding their government, military, and imams to any standards about the conduct of war. But - heavens forbid! - should Israel follow standards in the conduct of war and fall short as they raid the military sites built above, on level with, and below hospitals, schools, and mosques in densely populated areas, with the consent of a Gazan public that agrees with their death cult government's charter...oh, no! We can't have that!
It's because hezbollah is the problem and Palestinians in gaza are hostages.
Their government was assassinated in a coup of hezbollahs proxy, hamas.
Yes, it is ludicrous
Are you not all children of Abraham, so to speak?
Even if not in reality, then in mythology?
And who is to say that mythology is not reality, so far as humans can figure.
You have to let the polemics do their job, they have destroyed the lslamic narative. The public need to know
The desperate and threatened often lie, the ex Shin Bet should ask why is Israel is in this position - an entitled view of itself
What are you even talking about?
So Hamas are liars?
Israel is in this position because they have to deal with barbaric medieval civilizations.
The fellow is brow beating and side stepping Important questions. He is l delusional. Perhaps he believes that Rabin and Arafat were killed by the Palestinians.