The Link Between Autoimmune Disease, Chronic Fatigue, And Hidden Infections
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- Pandemic aside, we’re seeing a national immune crisis. Autoimmune conditions continue to rise to record numbers, not to mention all of the chronic mystery illnesses that so many people struggle with daily. I’ve experienced this firsthand, along with the corresponding frustration and fear. There is an intriguing hypothesis about these conditions that I get into with my guests, Dana Parish and Dr. Steven Phillips, today on The Doctor’s Farmacy: underlying infections. Sneaky tick-borne diseases like Lyme, parasitic infections, and certain viruses can be extremely hard to diagnose. Meanwhile, they can contribute to an immune system collapse and other life-threatening breakdowns throughout the entire body.
Dr. Phillips and Dana Parish share their incredible stories of overcoming chronic stealth infections after numerous doctors couldn’t help them. Lyme was a common factor for both of them, while Dr. Phillips was also able to diagnose Bartonella in Dana. At their worst, they both had extremely limited mobility and felt their lives were at risk. Dana shares that in addition to recovering her mobility and strength, treating these infections also had a profound impact on her mental health by reducing her anxiety and depression. Dr. Phillips’ journey not only forced him to be his own detective to find healing, but also showed him how much discordance there is among conventional medicine in treating diseases like Lyme.
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To put this in perspective, my daughter went through a really bad patch at around 12. Kept getting so sick and nobody listened. Docs blame adolescence and even my own brother in law who is a doctor watch her drink water and sever leg cramps on a bike ride saying she needed to grow up. One day it hit me and i noticed her breath, checked her sugar and was high. Type 1 diabetes and nobody saw it because they wrote it off as a kid thing. Never give up and be persistent.
I’m so glad you figured out what was going on with your daughter and sorry your brother in law (doctor) was so dismissive about what your daughter was going through. Curious to know if he apologized, and hope he learned a valuable lesson that might benefit any of his patients, but know you’re probably just so thankful that you figured it out and your daughter is doing better! Good job mom!👍🏼
The problem is all these wonderful docs are unaffordable for most people.
yeap, exactly and they say they really want to help, but they want to help their pockets, its sad in both worlds.
Yes, I call the Ultra Wellness Center in Lenox MA. and was told it will be thousands of dollars to get treatment! Btw no insurance is accepted and it is completely out of pocket. I have been so excited to try functional medicine but at this rate its not accessible for me.
@@Plasmamarino Practicing non government sanctioned medicine is risky business.
Would you be willing to pay their legal fees and support their families if their licences were revoked? Would you pay the fines?
Perhaps your vote for big government caused this situation.
Think about that.
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Brushing patients complaints under the carpet seems such a common tactic amongst medical practitioners when they don’t understand it.
Blaming the patient is another good one!
Especially women’s concerns where women are 75% of the sufferers. Researchers and Doctors don’t care enough to put in the time to listen and learn about it…
"There is more politics in medicine than in politics" --Dr. Thomas Levy. Never forget it.
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..And corruption to just make money from pharmaceuticals!
For sure!
So true!
This is exactly my story as well! As a PhD trained autoimmune disease research scientist, I also suffered with 7 autoimmune diseases plus severe fibromyalgia. I was disabled, and truly dying, for over 15 years. Then I found the science of functional medicine. Now, I've been completely healed for about 5 years, and still getting healthier at the age of 58! Dr. Hyman, you are one of my heros, and without your work, I would probably be dead now. I thank you and truly love you for all you've done. I'm so thankful to be on the FUNCTIONAL TEAM of helping others heal!
Congratulations! Can you help me and share what are some good diet and healing regimens to adopt that helped you heal??
I promote a life saving supplement created by KAERI (Korean Atomic Energy Research Institute). The natural supplement strengthens the immune defenses allowing the body to heal itself from all types of metabolic/degenerate disease. Including and not limited to cancers, arthritis, fibromyalgia, high blood pressure, diabetes to name a few. Contact me for more information and/or you know anyone who could benefit from this information.
@@jwmills3 hello James, I'd like to learn more as much help is needed to help improve a health condition. Please send me your best contact or email to chat further. Thank you!🙂
How did you train to be a doctor and sick for almost 15-20years
I have had very painful canker sores which has me in bed for days! Also at the same time the backs of my ankles get stiff and sore! I get the canker sores just before menstrual period and when stressed. Does anyone have an idea what it is???I sort of think it could be hormonal or maybe cortisol levels???
Our medical system needs a major overhaul!! Functional medicine is the way to go, but if it only could be made affordable to the average person!
I saw a functional medicine doctor and she had actually quit on me (even after writing on her sign up form that you have to promise to stay the course and not quit...but I guess its ok if the doctor quits). The thing is not all functional doctors are equal. She had no idea what was causing my problems and she said I was reacting to too many things (which of course is one reason why I went there...plus no matter what I ate I was burping all the time, no Appetite, etc). So even if you go see one they might not actually help you.
@@sarahb.6475 affordable is the key. Most functional medicine doctors are not
I totally agree. It should be a movement.
Hi Kathleen
It’s been a goal of mine or dream rather to move functional medicine to the mainstream. I don’t know how or what I can do, but it has to happen. I don’t want anyone to suffer the way I have and be dismissed and disrespected just for trying to get my life and health back
I actually had a doctor tell me that my swollen lymph gland was the result of some underlying infection but then he never proceeded to investigate what the underlying infection was so that it could be resolved. As if it was my responsibility to figure out the cause.
that's how the doctors work here in USA, its really sad
@@tiamichael144 Too bad you're a scammer.
Me too!
This is one of those rare Milestone interviews in medicine, very rare, very stunning
Very stunningly expensive. Buy the crap Mark suggests! I have hundreds of dollars lost in it.
The heart failure story....that is incredible. Imagine the people who could be healed! Yikes...so scary.
I think (hope) we will look at chronic illness a lot different in 50 years. It’s really f***** up how helpless conventional doctors really are today.
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2; Lupus diseases
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4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
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6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
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They all didn't graduate at top of class some barely make it. They should go be a car mechanic if they can't do better than they do.
@@jewelleryaddict Hey, I know some great diagnostic technicians, who I would trust their knowledge and experience very much, so let’s not compare and put down “mechanics” please. There’s good and bad in every field. : )
Jewry Ad - You mean ASE Auto Technition. Maybe they should train to be a Jewler? Specializing in CG $ CZ
@@poppylove3673 I do understand, I was trained as a mechanic for aircraft in the Air Force long ago b4 I got sick.,was pretty healthy. Ok mechamic is aiming to high for some of them second thought.
I got sick with ME/CFS in 2015. In 2016 I was so sick I had to spend 8 months totally isolated in bed inside a dark bedroom. My symptoms fluctuated for some years until in May 2019 I noticed how bad my sleeping/anxiety medicine was for me. I quit them, stopped using ANY chemical (cosmetics, household etc), changed my diet according to funct.med. (started eating only real food) and now I've been improving for 2 years straight. I've gained back 50% of my overall funcionality and am looking forward to a complete recovery! Thanks Mark for all your great interviews - I watch them weekly!
How are you now? Since this posting; What has recovered you?
Love that Dana said you have to be your own advocate. After 1 year of chronic stress at work, I developed some of the same symptoms as Dana. My General Practician at the time, just said it was stress and anxiety and prescribed me anti-depressants. I knew there was more to it and felt that he totally missed or dismissed the physical symptoms I was trying to stress to him. I eventually ended up in the hospital. At first, they tried to say it's probably stress. Then they did a ultrasound on my pancreas, liver and right kidney. They found no issues. They never said anything was wrong with my blood work however, once I got a copy of it, I researched the levels that were out of range. I found high glucose and 3 others that indicated infection. I'm pretty sure the high cortisol was causing high blood sugar. Anyway, I couldn't get doctors to help so I did my own research and decided to do a clean anti-inflammatory diet and supplements. I also eliminated my stress by quitting my job and took time out for self care. If I didn't do that, I think I would have died. It's been over a year now and I've doing much better.
And when they put you in the psychiatric bucket, that’s criminal! They should be locked up and their license pulled!! I’ve had that happened to me many times!!
My 35 year-old son just got out of a psychiatric hospital, and it’s about the 6th time in the last two months. He has Medicaid and is stuck in the state system, not getting the real help he needs. No one will believe me that it’s a mold related neurological psychosis right now, however, he’s had meningitis and several severe closed head injuries a few years ago. His father, with whom he lives won’t tell any of his doctors about the mold because he hasn’t had his house remediated. I think that is negligent!
Same thing happened to me. When doctors cannot explain something with their conventional training / medical knowledge then you are crazy and making up the symptoms.
It should really be criminal. I’ve been hospitalized, then psychiatrically evaluated close to a dozen times. Because I had recurrent hospital admissions and no direct diagnosis but dozens of secondary diagnosis’s and symptoms. Like I was admitting MYSELF to the hospital 🤬
Let's say the doctor is right and it is psychiatric. What burns me up is how the general practitioners treat psychiatric problems as if they are somehow the fault of the patient. It's antiquated and outdated thinking. Psychiatric disorders are biological just like other diseases. It is not the fault of the patient.
I've been a consumer of the psychiatric system for 20 years. Occasionally I will have an emergency where I need to go to the ER. I am always treated like scum of the earth. ER physicians despise psychiatric patients, but we have no choice but to go to the ER. At least where I live, there are no specialty psychiatric emergency centers.
True! My family put me in a psychiatric ward for five days because they thought my brain fog was due to drugs!
If you're rich you can go to functional medicine. It's so sad that these people claim they want to help the sick,, but they make it financially impossible for the common man. It's a racket.
I agree! I need help and am on a low income but have Medicare and Medicaid and they don't take it!
Cash/private pay only no insurance.
Sadly, it’s because insurance companies and government funded medicine controls and limits what doctors are allowed to do if they take money from
those entities. I’m just trying to do what I can with diet, sun exposure, circadian rhythms to heal myself.
@@inhim4158 There are some larger hospitals that have functional medicine departments. The Cleveland Clinic is one. Research hospitals in your area to see if they have added a functional medicine department
I AGREE, IF I AM RICH I CAN GET A FUNCTIONAL MEDICINE DOCTOR!!! GEEZ WHEN ARE THESE FRAUD DOCTORS GOING TO WAKE UP & WHY ARE THEY NOT IN JAIL WITH THIER LICENSES STRIPPED!!? IF I PROVIDED SUCH QUACKERY I WOULD BE UNDER THE JAIL!!! IF DR. HYMAN & OTHER DOCTORS KNOW HOW TO SAVE LIVES FROM LIME DISEASE , ETC... THEN THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE REST OD THESE DOCTORS & INSURANCE THIEVES BEING IN BUSINESS!!! GET A GRIP & CLEAN THIS FRAUDULENT CRIMINAL MEDICAL FIELD UP!!!!
Dr Mark Hyman doing awesome job. Thank you Sir.
Thank you so much for this validation! The first thing that they should teach in medical school is HUMILITY. Doctors should remember that this is supposed to be a practice where they should continually learn. There should never be an attitude that they know it all. There also should not be simple regurgitation of what was read in books when the medical field is constantly changing as new discoveries are made.
100% they are arrogant with hubris.
Thank you for this. I've been in a 20+ years battle with fibromyalgia. This review gives me suggestions to provide to my PCP, Rheumatologist, and Neurologist. I was sent to a neurosurgeon by mistake but he actually listened to me and was the first to request heavy metal tox screen after I asked him (I have a mouth full of amalgam). I know I was highly exposed to mold from a musty apt I lived in back in 2000. I just had a nerve conduction study done due to severe muscle weakness (waiting on results) and have about 20 new labs that my rheumatologist is sending me for. This battle is exhausting.
Yikes!! Did you ever get it figured out? Did you have heavy metal tox and if so, what did you do to reverse it? Thanks🤗
Same with amalgam fillings and moldy apartment, but I was diagnosed with MS. I am glad they’re helping you. For me it seems like the immunosuppressants are the only thing they will admit the efficacy of.
@@whoosh_angel I’m am just starting on immunosuppressant med but am unsure where this is taking me down the road. Are you finding the medication helpful in managing your symptoms? Does the positive effect taper off after awhile? Your feedback on immunosuppressant is much appreciated.
Yes after 30 year battle. Diagnosed chronic fatigue syndrome in 1988. Been thru the wringer starting first ten years with doctors disbelief. Not much better past 20 years just more fancier expensive tests.
@@doradean3097 look into Bafiertam. Least side effects and most efficacious. My neuro is an MS specialist and sort of eluded to others like Ocrevus and Kesimpta potentially causing cancer and serious infection, as opposed to this one.
I’m a 57 year old woman. My progression was a gut infection while traveling, later adrenal fatigue and then long Covid. What helped me the most was NDRS. Hope you all find a solution that works for you.💜 Thank you for the support on this podcast.
What is NDRS?
I had Lyme Disease over 20 years ago. It took an unconventional treatment using insulin and antibiotic IVs to get rid of it. It was not covered by insurance. I still have chronic fatigue. I have addressed gut health, food allergies, nutritional deficiency, hormones, MTHFR, etc. Each helped some. I was treated for most known co-infections, except Bartinella. It was negative, but after watching this video, I'm going to revisit that. Thanks!
thank you dr for raisings Awarness on Lyme disease,👍
I feel like women are pushed to feel like it's a mental health problem rather than actually being taken care of for medical conditions. I was having trouble breathing and was told I needed to see my shrink in actuality, I went to the emergency room and found out I had PE's and DVTs! Had I listened to that doctor I would be dead right now. All of this stemming from an autoimmune disease that no one can diagnose. It is so frustrating!?!
An actual case, two people from the same household are diagnosed with Lyme disease. The man is given antibiotics, the woman with psychiatric drugs.
There should be more investigation of antibiotic effects of psych.drugs.
I've been recovering from long Covid since March 2020, and wow how similar to their stories (both my health and lack of support from doctors). Unfortunately it's a new viral illness, so the treatment and studies are still in progress, and like all other chronic illnesses there are many pieces of the puzzle to be put together. But like Dana and Dr. Philips say, I am convinced that I (and all of us with persistent viral illnesses) will find a way to better health. Thank you for another excellent talk!
Ivermectin they say works on long Covid
Hi Elfi
Dr. Bruce Patterson is making great progress treating long haulers:
covidlonghaulers.com/
I have been treating long Covid well. I also had Covid March 2020.
Turmeric, low dose aspirin (if you are not allergic), citrus bioflavonoids, pineapple (bromelain), cacao extract. These reduce cytokine cascade.
Then polyphenols (from black tea or green tea), quercetin (rooibos tea), vitamin D, Co Q10, natural Vitamin C.
Thank you for mentioning hidden infections and raising awareness!
Hi Marissa
You may have saved my life with this broadcast/ Discussion.I pray I can find help with my next choice of medical assistance. I have the book Chronic now. Hoping to find answers asap- God Bless all of you. Much respect from this former, disabled nurse.
It's not the same health issue but I remember when I suddenly developed food intolerances I went through so many doctors and tests to wind up with a diagnosis of IBS. At one point they were telling me I needed to get my gallbladder removed but they also said it might not solve my problems. I decided to see for myself if I might be lactose intolerant - and I was. No wonder I had a strong reaction for the gallbladder test if they made me drink cream or whatever it was. Still shaking my head at the fact that I almost had a pointless surgery. But thankfully I came through it and kept my gallbladder 🙏 the whole experience has been crazy making and I am thankful I finally got a GI doctor who told me about low FODMAP but definitely think I will eventually need to see a functional medicine doctor since nobody I talk to wants to acknowledge the fact that my IBS and eczema flare at the same time and are connected, etc. It seems silly to me, especially after seeing so many of your videos, to try to treat each health issue as a completely unrelated and separate condition.
I’ve been on Medicaid most of my life and have been sick all my life. You only have a few doctors to choose from and they won’t help if you have any kind of complex issue. I did recently see a biological dentist who found latent infection in 3 of my wisdom tooth removal sites, but the surgery to remove it is 9k, all out of pocket. There’s just no way.
fly to Moldova (or to any other cheaper European country). They'll charge £300 max for the surgery and it's done at the same level as anywhere else.
Thank you for this valuable convo, Mark! Please keep educating us on health & wellness🙏💖
Thank you Dr. Hyman for this video and sharing this info!
Thank you for this Dr. Hyman, Dana Parish and Dr. Steven Phillips! My experiences exactly.
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1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com..........
I was bit by a Brown Recluse Spider. I was also told not to Google it.
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com.........
Thank you so much… Some 3 MD tried to convinced i had cancer while i just had b12 deficiency… just to fill their empty hospital…I called them and suggest they should do something else with their life.
@@tamikog7645 lol… i m not good at writing… but the reality can be scarier than any thriller 😏
Sad that not affordable.
I am dying, and I don't know where to turn.I have been sick for 20 years. I have been to many Dr's, no answers, Stopped all Dr's years ago and just gave up. I don't know why I'm still alive.
I will try again.
I hope things work out for you 💙but since doctors have been called the third cause of death not seeing them might be why you’re still alive
You're on the right track watching this video. I like Dr. Joel Fuhrman. He has many YT videos.
I started buying my own lab tests. U can do this through the internet. Any lab test. Check to get an alcat, thyroid panel, anemia panel plus others you think you might need.
You're still alive because God has allowed you to be alive. There is hope!
Makes me wonder. I was very young and in my bath and found a pink circle with a dot inside on my upper arm. It didn't lead to anything at the time, but since I've had, psoriasis (at 22), Coeliac Disease, after many visits from teen's onwards for stomach complaints, (at 65) (diagnosed very late 18 years after being early retired for depression), then polymyalgia rheumatica, lymphoedema and now pulmonary oedema. I'd had a heart check about five years ago and perfect heart valves then. After my 5 Covid vaccines I've recently gone down with pulmonary oedema and leaky valves and warned that I am now suffering from early heart failure. I've managed to reach 80 in spite of all these though! Was given Ativan for the stomach aches, thankfully not good at taking them and gave up. Now I have the doctors ringing me every week checking on me (until they give up)! UK NHS experiences!
That's what you get with national health insurance.
I am glad ti hear Ian not the only one. 🙏🏽 I had to look at alternative solution to manage all the symptoms.
Thank you for taking the time, as we know you are a very busy Doctor, to produce these valuable videos. My family and friends watch your videos and implement your suggestions with wonderful results.
I am in my third year of antibiotics…after years of suffering. I had issues with my bones, joints and skin. I kept getting churned with a rheumatologist telling me I was fine and reluctantly giving me a three day course of antibiotics then finally was referred to a dermatologist who treated my skin issues and have had massive success with the antibiotic course of treatment. *I was referred to an infectious disease Dr but couldn’t find one in the area I live or I would have been on the IV antibiotics *(am on oral) but trying to find treatment for my acute symptoms was very frustrating. I am now taking Pilates and getting better by the day. Please keep researching and talking about this hidden infection-it is a huge issue.
Thank You!
Excellent interview & discussion on an important and fascinating topic. Thank you!
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com.........
Your channel has been such a godsend for me. I’m recovering from several chronic illness after spending everything I have to seek completely useless help from dozens of traditional physicians , losing my job, retirement fund, home, and car and almost my son. This all began with my first hospitalization in 2018. By listening to others who’ve gone through this and finally stopped myself from trying to convince drs, hospitalists and my family I’m not crazy I’m finally getting to a point I can care for my son like he deserves. I’m a single mom and it’s been tough. I’m still out of work and my private disability policy was denied at the cusp of pandemic because I had no “diagnosis” but over a dozen inpatient hospitalizations. I have an ongoing social security disability claim (filed 2 years ago) that will probably be denied. I’m so thankful for all that I’ve learned to begin to change my own health. unfortunately the socioeconomic side of this is something I’m not sure I’ll ever recover from.
Good luck👍
So what's your story?
@@SeriouSXXFireworks What would u like to specifically like to know?
I understand. So sorry this has happened to you. I hope you have a diagnosis and are working on curing the root cause. I developed Hashimotos a few months after a complicated and life threatening c section and subsequent serious infections. It took months and many doctor visits to find the Hashi. I was the one who suggested the thyroid test from my own research. Not the doctors. They dismissed me saying fatigue was common in new mothers. Blessings to you.
Interested in JTS story?
Yes, it may ‘take a village’, but what it really takes is a crapload of money! which a whole lot of us suffering don’t have!
Very insightful talk. Thank you Dr. Hyram!!
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com..........
Just a question - why would the cure/treatment for Lyme and these other illnesses not be shared with the entire healthcare industry? Is it too much trouble for them to learn? Is it because they can't patent a drug for it? Please.
Thank you Dana and Dr Phillip for sharing your experience with Lyme ..
I have been recently diagnosed with Lyme..and I have some of those symptoms you mentioned.. thank you thank you .. i am able to learn more how to help myself ❤❤❤❤❤
This discussion of like a breath of fresh air. I’ve experienced some of this and the difficulty in working with the medical algorithm. I’ve struggled with something that makes no sense and hope more docs are able to use some of these techniques. Sad it’s so hard to find.
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com..........
I promote a life saving supplement created by KAERI (Korean Atomic Energy Research Institute). The natural supplement strengthens the immune defenses allowing the body to heal itself from all types of metabolic/degenerate disease. Including and not limited to cancers, arthritis, fibromyalgia, high blood pressure, diabetes to name a few. Contact me for more information or/and you know anyone who could benefit from this information.
Rx companies & medical ins. will prevent anything that isn't an Rx med from being available to any but the rich folks that can afford to pay for their own treatment, out of pocket.
Dr. Been I wish you health and good wishes. Please be safe, Ill send you me best wishes and angels to protect you.
Thank you Dr. Hyman
Hi Teresa
Thanks Mark for the wonderful conversation. Could you please do an episode on vitiligo alone?
Amazing interesting and innovative conversation!
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com.........
Thank you for giving me hope.
THANK YOU👍
Great discussion!
Outstanding 💙 as always 👏
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com..........
Love your channel! 💕
Hi J C
Thank You!
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1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
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*Love* 💘 this expose on the benefits of investing the root cause. It must become widely practiced. And also widely accessible and affordable.
#staywell everyone
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Stay informed.
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The 20 min appointment under Medicare is not enough for people like us!! There is no time for questions.
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com..........
I still can’t understand how functional medicine differs from regular medicine. Of course, physicians are trained to diagnose and treat. What’s crucial here is the realization that the immune system isn’t as messed up as most medically trained people believe-many chronic diseases are due to uncleared infections, and the immune system is doing the best it can with an untenable situation. When AIDS came along in the early 1980s it was surprising that here was an infection that couldn’t be cleared. Now we’re realizing that uncleared infections aren’t so rare after all. Excellent and very important video. Check out the work of Paul Ewald, PhD for the importance of chronic infections in general.
I haven’t had covid itself but I did get the vaccine. And wow! My Fibromyalgia symptoms have flared out of control in the worst way since then. It has been 6 weeks and there is no end in sight. Alas. I haven’t been this sick and in this much pain for years!
sorry to tell you but you couldve done the research before, they kept saying is not safe. Hope you fell better soon. I take Immunocal helps the levels of glutathion raise up.
@@Plasmamarino 3
I’m suffering same as you. I had fibro then the Covid Vaccine caused damage. I haven’t recovered.
How are you doing now? Has your health improved or did it get worse?
I actually did my research before taking the vax. But if I wanted to see my mom in the nursing home, it was a requirement. And she was about to pass. So I took the plunge and got it. During the pandemic there were few options for literal life and death situations. Since then…I continue to struggle. My new “normal” reset is much lower than it had been previously. Little that I do helps. I mill my own flour from wheat berries. I cook using natural ingredients only-the “from the ground/nature” sorts of ingredients, with little or no processing unless I am the one doing the processing. It helps. But I doubt, at the rate it’s going, that I’ll ever see the old “normal” again let alone really feel good.
Dr Mark Hyman is doing awesome job.
He sure is. both of his clinics; the cleveland clinic and the ultra wellness center in MA r waaaaay up there in hospital ratings by us world news report magazine
@@leadimentoobrien1221 I want to make an appointment with him. Do you guide me how to do it. Is he available in New York?
@@MuhammadTariq-be3gq since its CLEVELAND Clinic I assume his office is in cleveland Ohio. Call there. He is a Functional doctor ur health ins may not cover it. U may have 2 pay out of pocket and then get reimbursed.
Nice post Muhammad Tariq...you're doing an awesome job.
@@leadimentoobrien1221 Thank you
My wife has carsenoid cancer(large mass removed she almost died)the cancer had babies, cataplexia with narcalepsy, sleep paralysys. She has carsenoid syndrome. Has the suicidal thoughts an chronic fategue, degenerative discs, arthritis in the knees, high functioning autistic (ausburger). She got the druggie, hypochondriac treatment from doctors for over 11 years until she almost died when she had committed herself to an instatution, had a kidney infarction they rushed her to the hospital next door and because they didn't have her records there they went in, found the cancer and removed it hours before she would have died. She had a record mass of tumors. So you all know as well how backwards the doctors are trained to deal with reality. I hope this trend is in the process of becoming constructive like you are referring to. It took an exorbitant amount of time to get where she is now with the diagnosys of the things she has had but doctors didn't want to diagnose(literally).
I work in a NICU. Can I just say, sometimes a c-section is absolutely required to save the mother, the baby, or both. Let’s not lay a guilt trip on someone who was in a situation beyond their control.
Thanks for that comment. Happened in our life.
Yes true, though a lot of them are for the convenience of the doctor and insurance companies that are trying to cover their butts.
I have had one C sections with 4 Vbacs. My csection was an emergency one. But, I was told for my second one that I had a 1% chance of delivering naturally. The day I was suppose to get a sono, to see the size of my baby, I went into labor. I delivered him no epidural(becuz I wanted to feel it all so I could give it my all). I pushed for a long 45 minutes and he flew out ( and yes, the doc took awhile to put me back together) and then I had 3 more vbacs. The last baby I had to go to an out of network to VBAC. Or have a scheduled csection. Why would I do that after 3 successful vbacs?? That’s my story. So yes they are over done. That’s just a fact!!! Cuz woman are told like back in the day. And yep, it’s and insurance problem and docs that don’t want their life to always be on call. Jmo!!
I would have an uncle except he died at birth because the doctor didn't believe in C-section deliveries. My grandmother nearly bled to death after.
It's nice of you to mention that on behalf of mothers who have had to go thru the C-section child birth. It's scary, and comes with dangers of it's own. Due to really High preg indcd High BP... I had to have a C-section. There were some dehydration issues and preeclampsia that had me on bed rest till 38 wks, at which point it was decided that my baby needed to come out since his lungs were developed completely, and BP-wise, he and I both were not in a good situation.
I've listened twice to this vid and didn't hear anything negative toward mothers who have had c-sections. He mentioned it amongst potential sources, reasons or causes of different kinds of infections.
My question for you is "Did I miss something?" or did you just make this statement re: C-Sections as a sort of PSA on behalf of C-section Mother's? I do feel some guilt even now, (tho my child is 25) that I wasn't able to deliver naturally (I mean vaginally + an epidural.)
My concerns are based around his life long health, and I recall reading that there is some kind of natural immune fortified fluid or secretions that infants get when going thru the birth canal... Something I can to what colostrum is to the insides of the baby once they hit the outside world... something that my son didn't get.
I've only read about this bonus vaginal canal immunity secretions once, in a book or an article I read, and I believe it was prior to knowing that I was going to need a C-section.
Do you know what they're referring to? How important is this extra immunity that infants get from going through the birth canal that other children don't get?
@@kimtonearts the reason I kinda was like....”hey, wait....” was because near the beginning he lumped c-sections in with environmental pollution, eating processed foods, heavy metals, etc. And I just thought you cannot equate a life saving surgery with eating McDonald’s and smoking. Yes, I know many c-sections are not necessary. In Canada we don’t have quite as many unnecessary ones as they might in the States where you can basically choose. The doctors don’t get paid the same way here. But I know that some are not necessary. But some absolutely ARE, like true medical emergencies, life and death. Don’t feel guilty about bringing your child into the world alive. The alternative does not bear thinking about. I cannot tell you the number of dead babies I have seen because the mother refused a c-section. Absolutely senseless.
As for the immunity acquired through vaginal birth....sure, it’s a thing. I have read about that as well. They get exposed to certain bacteria in the canal that help colonize their skin and mucous membranes with beneficial bacteria. But a woman can’t beat themselves up about something like that, it’s futile. That chance at greater immunity isn’t worth much if the baby is dead. Or will the father be like, “it doesn’t matter if my wife is dead, as long as my kid has a few extra bacteria.” I don’t think anyone would think this.
Thank you!
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com.........
Thank you! I have been diagnosed with Coxsackie b (all 6 strains) 4 years ago, and Igm is still positive while Igg is negative...I have been suffering from chronic fatigue and my ANA is frequently positive!
Gd day dr.hyman could u please give Dr.phillips contact details is he available in Londo?
Thanking you
Please go preach inside medical schools, revise the curriculum!!
All this information is incredible, , WE Don't have the $$$$ to See Dr. Hyman or Dr. Phillips. This is Boutique Medicine
where only the Upper Middle Class can afford. if you really wanted to help people, you all should take insurance.
Doctors have told me that if they accept insurance they cannot treat patients in the way that they would like to with functional medicine. It is the insurance companies that are preventing the help.
Thanks
Great info....the only thing you left out is Plum Island.
Thank you blessings🙏👌
Living with a virus for eternity is something you need to sit down and think about, There is a permanent cure for any type of illness and diseases , So why listen to people who will discourage you and not give you a cure? Alternative cure for any type of illness and diseases also STDs available by Dr Oseghale Sunday...
1; HSV1 and HSV2
2; Lupus diseases
3; Cancer
4; Human Papilloma virus (HPV)
5; Crohn's diseases
6; Diabetes
7; Sickle Cell Arnamia
8; Herpes
9; HIV
10;Hepatitis
11;Diabetes
12;Pile
for any health issues Contact him for help in getting rid of your problem. WhatsApp +2347062814871 or contact him through his Email: oseghalesunday07@gmail.com..........
Where can we find doctors like you instead of traditional physicians?
Look 4 FUNCTIONAL doctors.
www.ifm.org/find-a-practitioner/
@@AmandaLiz72 Thank you, thank you!, I just looked on the site and found one reasonably near me! I had previously searched a different functional medicine site and found no one. My husband's got persistent Long Covid (about 15 months so far) and can't even stand up, let alone walk.
Dr. Hymen, all your videos are great but this one has been especially helpful. Thank you!
@@AmandaLiz72 Thanks for sharing!!!
@@joanblack6672 best of luck to you!
16 years dealing with “Crohn’s” (unresponsive to all standards of treatment, diagnosis based off elimination, not positive testing...), and the only thing that has helped has been antibiotics and pain killers.
Leading treatment worldwide for remission is a triple antibiotic treatment that Canada doesn’t recognize as a treatment for Crohn’s. Doctors told me to go to Australia. Hey doc, how much money can you save when you can’t work?
Check out Dr. Greger's nutritionfacts videos on Crohn's.
Which antibiotics are those 3?
I find it incredibly frustrating and heartbreaking to be sick and hear all this info on youtube but not actually be able to go see the specific Drs who are capable of treating people and healing them. There are very few functional Drs who are as capable as this Dr being interviewed, many just take your money and don't help. This info doesn't really help us unless we can get care from this Dr and also we need to be in a financial position to do so. I also notice alot of functional medicine drs are chiropractors, I think the MD's who then switch over to be functional medicine like the Drs in this video are usually more knowledgeable and capable.
Dr. Hyman, you look so good, that was a great idea to go to Hawaii.
Its great, that you make this vlogs for us, thanks so much.
He has color from the Hawaii sun ☀️ :)
The body - and our health - is a complete system. We are not like a car motor ... our systems are all interconnected and interdependant. Health and healing can only be achieved by a macro view - we are not parts, we are a whole being.
Hi J Lys
I had a return of breast cancer after having Covid. I was in remission for 7.5 years.
Viral infections bring stealth infections to light, often.
🌿🌸🕊 thank you Dr. Hyman for making these very important educational videos. This type of Medicine is Our Future ... if we, as a species, are to survive.
Wow, this was amazing and I just found a functional medicine group with a out of pocket plan that’s not insanely expensive. I’m taking myself and my son since we both have some swollen lymph nodes and I have a bunch of other weird issues.
Oh my gosh one of my newest symptoms is my right breast being swollen and hurting and I couldn’t even get a doctor to admit that it was swollen they didn’t rule out cancer but that’s crazy!now I’m convinced I probably have lime.
Can you please give us exact things what we need to do to get rid of these problems , like exact steps
Cleveland clinic is rated #2 in the country behind Mayo clinic. #3 is mass General in Boston. MGH is #3 hospital and rated #1 in diabetes care which is probably the worst disease that affects every system. Seems most people nowadays r having a problem with insulin resistance.
Because all the food we eat is high in processed sugar. We are literally being poisoned.
I've been searching for 2 years why a person would get Psoriatic Arthritis when battling a flu, with no answers anywhere in sight. Literally it happened in one day.
I had my first big psoriasis flair up after a flu. The dermatologist I saw at St Thomas’ London knew of correlation even back then (45 years ago). Of course correlation is a long way from cause and cure.
Check out the research into flu vaccines, then the answer for the instant autoimmune disease becomes clear. Just wait for a few years and see what happens to those who've had the c virus experimental gene therapy jab masquerading as a vax.
Are bodies are made to heal we just have to get out of it's way. A lifestyle of poisoning the blood can only results in dis-ease. You have to give your blood a break by feeding it the nutrients it needs to build up your bodies defenses and get rid of the energy sucking toxicities. I promote a herbal elixir that recondition the blood activating natural killer cells, immune cells, and creates cytokines strengthening your immune defenses. Many have been able to naturally heal themselves from all types of chronic metabolic dis-eases. Inbox me for more information
@@jwmills3 Psoriasis is an over active immune response if anything it needs lessening not strengthening. Auto immune problems can occur in babies and toddler too, it’s not always a lifetime of abuse. Of course you have to give your body every chance to heal but there is no panacea. (Or none I’ve found). You must be careful not to descend into quackery particularly with illnesses that can have fatal outcomes.
@@Fishster what about eczema? is it over active immune response too?
The beard is very flattering! :)
This makes perfect sense. I've had pretty severe autoimmune disease for almost forty years, now really progressing rapidly. Any time in my life that I've taken certain antibiotics, I've felt an immediate improvement. My multiple doctors who don't communicate with each other, and bat me back and forth between them like a bad tennis ball, completely ignore me when I talk about antibiotics and infection. I am convinced so many people are leading painful, impaired lives, and dying, for no good reason. Thank you, doctors. You're remarkable.
What about long term problems of taking antibiotic for such a long time ?
I have been from doctor to doctor who tell me there is nothing wrong. Everything you said here sounds like me. Currently I'm working with a functional doctor who will hopefully get to the bottom of it. Thank you
Try the millets protocol recommended by Dr. Khader Vali- millet man of India. It has amazing results. You will find his videos on You Tube! 🙏🏽
The other way round !
Chronic injuries to autonomic nerves cause primary injuries to endocrine (and other) organs and secondary autoantibodies and infections. Commonest causes include misdirected physical efforts during defaecation, difficult first labors, surgical procedures, etc.
Insurance will not cover functional medicine 🙏
I had to do a cash out refi on my home to pay for treatment
Ain't it tragic?
Why I went to massage therapist school in 2013, to become the practitioner I needed. Which is when I found this lovely fellow...who is ROCKING that beard, by the way. Good for you, Doc.
They don't want us to get well. Want us to keep coming back taking more and more pills. More appointments. More money for them.
I go to functional medicine with insurance.
So traumatic to be chronically I'll for decades. Mine also started with mercury. Some help along the way but 2nd mld COVID infection kicked my butt. Had ivermectin the first time I need to get to one of you
I was misdiagnosed with lupus kidney failure rare parathyroid illness fine now
The most indecent (and obscene, even) disdain is the disdain of The Educated Ignorant. To watch an ignoramus roll his eyes at you instead of listening to your evidence is enough to make a milquetoast slap an ignoramus face. “Listen!”
Ever since I learned I had Lyme and wasn't getting anywhere with my healing I wanted to see Dr. Hyman but knew I could not afford to because functional medicine doctors I am told, do not accept insurance. I could never afford to pay out of pocket but am suffering still all these years later. Someone needs to help us with tick borne illnesses because regular MDs don't believe in chronic Lyme and end up wanting to "pill" you to death or refer you to a psychiatrist.
Good video . What are your thoughts on ozone therapy ? . Not only IV but the rectal insuffalation and ear insuffalation . Said to be excellent at knocking out infections throughout the body . Thanks
UpToDate: “Chronic Lyme disease - Chronic Lyme disease is a term that is used by some practitioners and patient advocacy groups. This term has not been clearly defined and can include post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome, as well as illnesses and symptom complexes for which there is no convincing scientific evidence of any relationship to B. burgdorferi infection [15,42]. Many of these patients have other recognizable syndromes or diagnoses. In one case series, for example, three patients who were diagnosed as having chronic Lyme disease had an underlying malignancy [48]. Among patients with nonspecific symptoms of fatigue and myalgias, these subjective symptoms are sometimes accompanied by tender points of fibromyalgia [49]. Since fibromyalgia is common in the general population, the association of Lyme disease and fibromyalgia may sometimes be by chance alone.”
I am very frustrated. I have 3 oncologists that have told me, beyond the cancer, they think I have an immune disorder that makes my body kill the blood cells , after I make them. But they aren't addressing it. I don't know what to do next
Hidden infections, a bad tooth par example, could be the root cause of chronic inflammation, heart disease, brain fog, Parkinson's, immature aging.
Good dentition is pivotal.
Very informative and interesting. Thank you to each one of you.
Can I get the name of the book one more time please? It may be my tinnitus, I think I heard it said twice, but slightly different each time, I'm not clear on the exact title, or who wrote the book, which guest? Or did Dana Parrish and Dr. Phillips co-write it? I'm a little fuzzy on that too. Thanks again.
Looks like ‘CHRONIC’ it’s behind him
@@jodyjackson5475 - Thank-you... And in looking back, at the beginning of the vid, I was able to see the chosen way Dr. Steven Phillips' name is spelled too. (Steven vs Stephen) Thank you for pointing out that the book was behind him... My tired eyes and brain glanced at it as top box on a stack of boxes. Duh. Thx, again. 🙂👍
@@kimtonearts no problem at all. I also had Checked the description box but it wasn’t there so I’m happy to help 👍🏻
@@jodyjackson5475 - Yeah, I glanced at the description, but obviously my eyes were not working well. I knew someone nice wld come along and help me out of the ditch... (one way or another).
What are the blood parameters testet for chronic desease? Dr. Philipps mentioned lab quest around Minute 28. Thx
I want to see Dr. Phillips...how do I do that? I live in Canada. More importantly, we are restricted in travel due to covid. Or how does a local Dr. learn to do what Dr. PHillips does?
Dr Hyman!! What do you think about treating lyme with homeopathy instead? The meds are killing me :( i just bought a borax 30c remedy and Lachesis muta 200ck because im having sepis like infections that still haven't left after 3 weeks of antibiotics. And that was my 3rd round.
I also bought an organic lemongrass oil by garden of life, mixed it with 10% acv and a small amount of borax. Strained out the salts and been cleaning and diffusing.
Im not sure whats happing the infection is drying out and my hot spots are breaking up. Please please please tell us what you know!!
Ive got a team of doctors and its just not coming together. The lab work seems like things aren't showing up.
Everyone is specialized and its taking too long! Im getting worse and worse. Now I have elevated heart enzymes (im 43 and been a runner up until covid)and all they want to do is put me on machines, an iv and run tests. But no one is looking for a root cause and they arent listening to me.
Ive changed docs and theres politics in getting the records not to mention the time it takes to get them up to speed and see if they can play on the the team... but still so many cracks. Office admin dropping the ball.... so disheartening at times. I cant tell anyone whats happening because they get scared.
I do neurofeeedback for the trauma and to help keep myself in a tune with what my body is asking for. but its certainly adding up faster than i can manage.
And yes! Im broke, and on food stamps and my car is broken and thank god for govt medical assistance. I fight for my life everyday and its not easy. I study, i show up and i do the work the best i can.
But I'm hopeful still, thanks to you i know I'm not crazy. The body is an amazing and wants to get better.
No one else is addressing this like you are ❤❤❤
Dr Phillips said;
"We are living in an increasingly toxic environment. I think that a lot of us are less able to deal with infections that are common in the population." Many doctors and patients agree entirely.
Why is addressing the infections, we cannot cope with, more important than drastically reducing our exposure to the toxins?
If the reason we can no longer cope with the infections is because of the toxic environment, the problem is the toxic environment not the infections.
The same applies to long haulers. The problem isn't the virus, it is that they are less able to deal with it, because of the toxic environment.
Great interview! What about massive D3/K2?
I have lymes & a number of co- morbidities and constantly fighting fatigue.
My husband has some undiagnosed illness… brain fog, loss of balance, fatigue, body shakes, dizziness.
The lockdown has been a blessing for him and it forced us to cook food 100% including making bread. Removing the stress and traffic of being physically at work helped. I started making natto, yogurt, sourdough bread, other fermented foods last year.
He does not like taking supplements (his mom is a doctor who does not believe in supplements). I make him take daily walks to at least get his Vitamin D. The only supplements he will take are vitamin B complex (when he can’t have a handle on his emotions) and magnesium (when he can’t sleep)… that’s after me having to MAKE him take them.
He used to not be able to ride bikes and this spring he started biking again. Dizziness is minimal. He can focus better now and has more energy. Also, after he got the vaccine (Pfizer) he said he felt significantly better.
as fighting fativue from chronic fatigue syndrome 20 years,I have found by study at washington university many years ago to take co enzyme Q10 and something called NADH. (amazon) Please feel free to look up b4 you take them
i don't advocate anything not proven by studies.. many of us with cfs take this for energy. start low and work up till you feel you have little more energy, not a cure but helps.,good luck to you.
ghosts tend: )
@@jewelleryaddict tnx :)